Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24
Jan. 18th, 2022 12:48 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.
Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 06:20 pm (UTC)It appears to have quite a few differences to the original. Might just be possible the entwined Sars CoV-2 virus/covid vixenation story isn't quite done yet and another twist may happen. I say this in light of Radagast's post on the 9th: https://www.rintrah.nl/omicron-the-vaccine-induced-self-inflicted-wound/
and IM Doc's thoughts in the Naked Capitalism thread on the 14th: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/01/links-1-14-2022.html
'The 1890s pandemic, more and more are thinking it was indeed coronavirus OC 43, was much different and so far is mirroring our current situation. Depending on where you were in the world, there were 7 to 12 huge waves. There was no clean stair stepping down in badness, each wave had its own characteristics, and some waves were nothingburgers, some were Godzilla...
As I have repeatedly said, collective humanity and our collective immune system is going to have a hot war with this virus until the hostilities are over... It remains to be seen how the introduction of vaccines will play out in this war. We have never attempted this in humans before. In every animal coronavirus pandemic where vaccines were attempted, it has ended in tears.'
This is, of course, taken on board together with an awareness of JMG's original hypothesis way back when too: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/140421.html
However, it is also possible that we are seeing the final settle down to a seasonal, endemic virus and the human race got 'lucky' - just as the serious clash between the vixens and the ever evolving virus happened, Sars-CoV-2 became quite a lot less dangerous - quoting part of a comment on the Market-Ticker I saw on Monday:
"Without Omicron, all the people that are getting sick now (and we suspected they might as protection wore off) would be getting SICK.
But now they are getting sick enough to be hurting by this cold, but not so sick that they still believe the "I would be much worse without the jabs". They don't seem to recognize that the purebloods aren't really getting it at all (or have at worst the same symptoms).
It seems to be a perfect bug to reinforce the "It could have been worse" trope ..."
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244845&page=10
Welcome anyone's thoughts on this.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 07:22 pm (UTC)Those are not the facts on the ground that I am seeing. Someone I work with just lost a vaccinated/probably boosted parent this week to "complications with COVID." And that same co-worker, who is vaccinated/probably boosted, also has COVID right now.
But vaccinated people dying does not seem to be making a dent in the mantra. They are holding onto their faith in the vaccines no matter what.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 10:38 pm (UTC)...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/ab/49/57ab49a6e26e5b9c1803c7b55d610ae3.gif
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 12:00 am (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 03:34 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-20 12:45 am (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-20 12:46 am (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 07:48 pm (UTC)1. It's becoming increasingly obvious to anyone looking at the data that there is a strong correlation between genetic vaccine uptake and Omicron infection rate. Even Australia is in on it now, and Israel is back at the top of the pack in terms of new infections per day. It will be interesting to see (e.g. in adjacent Latin American countries that used either genetic or inactivated virus vaccines) whether the more traditional vaccines are exempt from this correlation.
2. Even if the vaccines area still protective against severe illness in those infected, apparent negative efficacy against infection is probably getting close to wiping out vaccine efficacy against covid death. We will need to watch UK numbers in the coming weeks.
3. Personal anecdata: I wanted to meet up with two friends yesterday but it turned out both are getting over Omicron. The vaxxed one got it worse and is seeing her doctor about possible heart issues. The unvaxxed one had a mild cold for a few days.
4. It's not surprising that Omicron is mutating rapidly as it is new to the human population and probably not very optimized. These changes should be incremental though - one or two amino acids changing at a time - so I would expect those who have had BA.1 will still be immune to BA.2 etc. This would be surprised to see multiple Omicron waves even if new substrains rise to dominance as the wave progresses.
5. Interesting perspective on the 1890s pattern of OC43 waves. I guess we could be in for more in the years ahead. Immunity studies seem to be pointing toward antibody diversity expanding with exposure, e.g. Omicron infection alone doesn't confer great protection against Delta, but vax + Omicron or previous infection + Omicron does (http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2022.01.13.22269243). (Caveat: lots of conflicts of interest in that author list.) This would suggest an iterative process in which reinfections across multiple waves gradually expand the immune repertoire to be more resistant to future variants.
6. Speaking of OC43, it's interesting to see that it and NL63 briefly eclipsed SARS-CoV2 in prevalence in spring-summer of 2021. The arrival of Delta and later Omicron drove SC2 back to dominance and seems to have suppressed the others. These sort of viral competition effects are greatly overlooked. See https://syndromictrends.com/
In the settings you can click on individual viruses to see trends over time.
7. The US Omicron wave has peaked in the Northeast with NY cases down substantially and appears to be peaking elsewhere in the US presently. This map which uses fever data from smart thermometers can be useful to track rising/falling trends. https://healthweather.us/map?mode=covid_forecast&resolution=state
See also 91-divoc for infection trends by state, country, or region:
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
8. Alex Berenson published an interesting piece debunking the idea that vax adverse effects are always short term. Apparently Pfizer created a cattle vaccine against a form of diarrheal illness that caused bleeding disorders in a very small proportion of injected cows, but that later turned out to cause hemorrhagic death in up to 15% of calves as it induced "alloantibodies" against fetal blood cells. The effect worsened with time and with number of doses given.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/remember-how-health-authorities-said
9. On the social "dehumanize the unvaxxed" mass formation crisis side, tensions seem to be easing in the US at least with the Supreme Court ruling and with Omicron causing similar levels of illness (and similar low levels of severe illness) in vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. I note that there was a significant drop in the comment count here last week, and also that my favorite hot spring has abandoned their vax-or-test requirement in light of Omicron.
Mark L
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 10:28 pm (UTC)Just taking it in.
Number 2 is looking like a developing situation - the bad cat offered this today:
vaccines and boosters associated with faster case growth in UK
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/vaccines-and-boosters-associated
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 03:33 pm (UTC)Whew-- quote:
"the sunk cost fallacy is in full effect and careers and credibility is on the line, but facts are stubborn things, and the fact is that these vaccines are accelerating spread.
"they do not protect us as was promised. (and promises were definitely made)
"at best, these are a personal choice to mitigate risk.
"probably, doing so creates a net risk for others because you are more likely to get covid and spread covid.
"the vaccinated are not a dead end for virus, they are crop-dusters for it and spreading it more widely."
# # # # #
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 10:35 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-20 04:28 pm (UTC)On point 4 - latest tracking seems to have BA.2 prevalence down in Europe. May be nothing to see there.
On point 8 - can certainly believe all this sadly, including the denial of the link. Do you have any further thoughts on mid/later-term vixen consequences, especially in light of Omicron's arrival (also in light of your point 2)? e.g. I guess if any ADE was to show up it may not be fatal for the vast majority.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-20 08:10 pm (UTC)It's very much a "watch and wait" situation at this point. It doesn't appear that Omicron is going to trigger a Red Death type delayed mortality, but it's still early days.
I think that the best model for adverse effects at this point is additive/cumulative toxicity. Think of the spike protein as something like arsenic. If you get infected with Delta you get lots in your lungs, airways, and parts of your brain (based on deer/mouse autopsy studies) for a few days, with much less elsewhere in the body. That can lead to lasting brain fog etc. and an increased risk of various illnesses for some time after. If you get Omicron it seems to stay more in the upper airways. If you get a genetic vaccine your body makes it for some time (a week? maybe sometimes much longer?) and it goes all over: heart, vascular system, vital organs, reproductive tract.
The virus is not harmless, and probably severe infections are worse than vaccination in terms of overall spike dosage. But collectively at this point we've probably put a lot more spike into human bodies through vaccination than the virus has through infection. And it's quite likely cumulative/additive (with the added nonlinear non-toxin-like effects of immune response/tolerance/ autoimmunity). So the shots cause more problems in people who have had the virus. And the virus might trigger more strokes, heart attacks, etc. in people who have had the shots. And now we're giving people four or more shots.
If it is behaving like toxin exposure, like arsenic but if course with a very different mode of action, we could easily see lasting harm and shortened lifespans largely proportional to overall duration and intensity of exposure with of course a lot of individual variation (some people dying after one shot, some people seemingly unaffected by ten of them).
Mark L
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 11:18 am (UTC)I have noticed Dr John Campbell in his videos still talking and despairing about a lack of aspiration with the current intramuscular injections (to check you've not hit a blood vessel). Just adds to the Russian Roulette feel of all this.
Talking of watch and wait...
These airline passengers were quarantining for two weeks and regularly tested in an attempt to get a clear plane load of people. I'm guessing there were few, if any symptoms. Then, supposedly, it turns out more than half were carrying the virus and have now passed it to the local population. Throws up a few questions does this story.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/two-thirds-of-passengers-on-first-flight-to-covid-free-kiribati-diagnosed-with-virus
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 04:05 pm (UTC)It would seem that Omicron has a new trick up its sleeve with regard to ability to hide for long periods. On surfaces? In the respiratory tract at undetectable levels? Dormant in the body somewhere?
The virus has already evaded lockdowns and vaccines. If it can now evade quarantine then we are left with precious few "public health" measures that accomplish anything at all. Kind of like the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Terror"...
Mark L
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 07:40 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 08:05 pm (UTC)"The human body is the warmest place to hide."
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-22 01:08 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 08:39 pm (UTC)Hitting the a vaxxed person doesn't even slow it down. It has become one of the fastest spreading pathogens ever.
How could it not?
We created a huge monoculture, billions of people with the same immune response.
Without our intervention, there would be ever smaller populations of people it could target.
I've read that in those who recovered from covid, only 60% will generate antibodies that bind to the spike protein. In that case the virus will never have a optimal solution, every decision comes with drawbacks.
Not so with vaccinated.
It is the best path of all possible mutations.
Everything we do, like isolating the unvaccinated from society or only allowing the vaccinated to travel, makes this just so much better for the virus.
This is the way I see it at least.
I'm not sure how this will end, but it feels like it's out of our hands entirely. It's too fast and we are blinded by our hubris anyway.
The virus has the vaccinated in it's claws and it will do what ever it pleases.
Maybe we get lucky and it just wants to play.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 09:07 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 03:38 pm (UTC)Taupe Cantankerous Hedgehog
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 05:07 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 09:44 pm (UTC)With natural immunity in healthy people with properly functioning immune systems, subsequent infections become milder. A reinfection has a 90% reduced risk of leading to hospitalization. That’s why South Africa had such a mild Omicron wave. Breakthrough infections on the other hand, when the virus bashes through your artificially induced immune response, are often severe.
I can’t emphasize this enough: In South Africa, Omicron was a nothingburger. So why is it not a nothingburger in Europe? Why is it not a nothingburger in the United States?
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-18 10:45 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 12:01 am (UTC)But I don't disagree that there may be a serious issue with creating a mono response to the same virus that may result in similar results that monoculture, antibiotics (anyone ever had fun with MRSA?)etc produce usually after a few generations.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 12:17 am (UTC)I think anyone still using transparently over-the-top fictionalized nazi propaganda terms like "pureblood" and "mudblood" (and who would have thought it could have been made more over-the-top?) used by the Bad Guys from a children's book series needs to uncover the mirrors in their house; and I'm not sure whether their interpretation of the data can be trusted, given the very obvious direction of their emotional investment.
Is it worse for the vaccinated? Or is there a third explanatory factor (age, pre-existing conditions that would have made them more likely to have been sicker either way?) and this person just really really want that to be true? That's what I think when the MSM or Pfist-er. gives me their data -why would anyone from the dominant vaccinated group be open to the data if it's coming from people who are using it to tell them they're polluted or subhuman? Who in their right mind would listen to such a person? How well did that work for those of us who decided not to get vaccinated?
People talking like that is going to make this worse no matter what some viruses do and how well we sort through the data.
Yesterday was Martin Luther King Jr. day, and I had the lucky break to have a couple of disability rights activists come to my Council. They wanted to request that a planned new public washroom be made a Universal Changing Places bathroom - the ones that let adults and big children with disabilities that mean they require diapering get changed comfortably and with dignity, for them and their caregivers (and it's a single, lockable unisex washroom with a wheelchair accessible toilet, hence the universal). They were frequent commenters at my council, and they are very good speakers who also submitted compelling letters arguing that all citizens deserve access to public spaces, and the right to enjoy the cultural, health access and shopping opportunities of their homes. There were a number of times, given the vaccine mandates that are almost universally accepted where I live, that my eyebrow crawled up into my forehead, it was so ironic.
So I took the opportunity to point out that 10% of our population is, in fact, being currently denied those Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms rights they were mentioning, and in fact the barriers extended to them not even being allowed to have people not of their own family in their house, and the rhetoric being used by our prime minister and that was even being allowed to be published in our newspapers would also normally be illegal. So I invited the council and all residents who may be watching to reflect on that, given our Council had unanimously voted and also spoken in favour of the importance of being an inclusive society, on this Martin Luther King Day. I'm certain at least one person decided to dismiss me with the predictable: "but it's different, that's a choice!" argument. Nevertheless, I'm going to extend that invitation.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 09:24 am (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 11:50 am (UTC)You're taking it too seriously; the "Pureblood" thing is mostly a joke, in the vein of any kind of black humour that sees you through a dark time. (And I haven't seen many people use the term "mudblood", which is obviously pejorative and offensive. I would never use it.)
At the same time, it's not a joke, and there's a reason I think "pureblood" is perfectly appropriate. It's going to be a thing, in my kids' generation, that when they're looking for a spouse, there will be this awkward moment in the conversation, when they ask each other, "So... did your parents get you vaxxed during the troubles?" And it will be a deal-breaker for many.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 07:19 pm (UTC)Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 08:55 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 05:06 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 07:49 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:53 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-20 05:23 pm (UTC)collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 06:25 pm (UTC)In collapse-of-a-different-kind news, anyone else on the East Coast seeing massive grocery store shortages? My family in the Midwest are not, but here a number of milk brands are missing, no chicken thighs, no lemons, no lettuce, eggs are running low, etc. (Thankfully I'm all stocked up with my pantry and chest freezer and have non-grocery store sources for some eggs and produce.)
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 06:43 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 06:45 pm (UTC)But then yesterday morning, I went early to my nearby gas station which had been closed over the weekend when the first storm hit, and they told me that it was good that I arrived early, because they are very low on gas. He told me that due to the mandates, or people getting covid, that there was a truck driver shortage. So he was anxiously awaiting a delivery of gas so that he could sell gas that day.
Supermarkets here are also starting to sell out of certain types of food.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 07:30 pm (UTC)Same. On the weekend, I was going to make a new recipe for supper, and my wife dutifully went out in search of the ingredients. She came back... TWO AND A HALF hours later, saying, "Check out these photos of bare shelves." I also don't know if it was the storms, or the trucker mandate, or both, or something else, but it was ominous, like something from a Soviet documentary.
-Bofur
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 07:37 pm (UTC)Needless to say, a lot of truckers are saying "truck you" and walking away from their jobs.
Those truckers. Trucking up the economy.
Doesn't matter. If it isn't one thing, it'll be something else. It's collapsing. Welcome to 2022, blah blah blah.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 09:16 pm (UTC)They were badly needed to clear the snow after the storms.
Apparently there was quite the mess without them.
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/357003035
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-staff-fired-covid-19-1.6304988
Would you say that's true?
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 11:24 pm (UTC)The TTC had already slashed service after the mass-firing of the unvaccinated. The City of Toronto wasn't quite so bad, as they had over 98% compliance when they fired those workers.
That said, Ontario is still in the middle of its Omicron wave.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 01:28 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 03:27 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 07:28 pm (UTC)Only the premium (read expensive) whole chickens were left (and of those there weren't that many) and they had plenty of the most expensive chicken cuts left. But all the thighs and most of the wings were all gone.
I'm not a big milk drinker, but the dairy products I do consume have yet to go into shortage. Eggs seemed to be plenty enough on the shelves.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 02:30 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-20 10:59 pm (UTC)I also realized that my expectations for being able to find what I want, when I want it have dropped a lot since 2019. Because I saw milk looking fairly full and mentally went 'yes!' and then 'they've got island farms' and then 'they've even got 2% in the 1L!'. There's no way I would have been excited about that in 2019.
Milk has been spotty for a while. You can always buy some, but getting a specific brand in the right size with the % you want is another matter.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-21 04:15 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 07:30 pm (UTC)Low levels of meat. Couldn't find the usual Italian sausage that was a store staple, very little chicken and beef. Thank goodness we 1/4 cow and chickens straight from a farmer, so the freezer is full.
No brown sugar for weeks (so no cookies for us darn it!)
No cream
No cottage cheese
A limit on how much butter you could buy (2 pound maximum)
I could go on, but you get the idea.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 06:47 am (UTC)— Christophe
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 07:48 pm (UTC)The local school system is currently on remote learning because of covid - but apparently it's not for the reason you might think. I heard from someone who talked directly to the superintendent that they wanted to come back for in-person learning after the holiday break, but couldn't, because so many employees on all levels (management, teachers, janitors, food service) are out sick that they can't staff the buildings.
The Dread Plague is running rampant among people I know through work, family, and social circles; the vast majority of them are triple or at least double vaxxed, but they all have omni-cold anyway. (My unvaxxed family, friends, and I have almost all already had covid at some point in the past year-and-a-half, and we're all fine.)
My feelings about the Great State of New Jersey right now are that we're a microcosm of the US, insofar that we have all sort of people here. I know woke, pronoun-announcing, Democrat-voting PMC liberals who are all triple-vaxxed and terrified of the coof, who are gung-ho for demanding proof of vaccination (but can't understand why nobody comes to things) - and unvaxxed (or very reluctantly vaxxed to keep a job) people from all walks of life, who think the government is full of manure and who are mad as hell and itching to vote straight Republican as soon as they can get into a voting booth next November. We have a blue city mayor imposing vax passports in Newark, despite having a large contingent of "vaccine hesitant" African Americans - and we have Orthodox Jewish communities and gun-toting "deplorables" still flying Trump flags, who are on the same side in their opposition to vax mandates. Oh, and I believe we also have Matt Taibi - he lives in NJ too, lol.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 11:57 pm (UTC)"They're re-arranging the store shelves by crowding stuff together and just closing off empty aisles. There is still enough food - not as much variety or selection, but sufficient to meet needs - but prices are through the roof."
Same here. Ralph's is doing a huge remodel. They removed about four aisles of food products and put in a collection of kitchenware -- pots, pans, plates, mugs, glassware, utensils, towels, etc. One-stop shopping!
I've gotten used to used to seeing shelves bursting at the seams, aisles crowded with obstacle-courses of pop-up displays (mostly over-priced, over-processed, nutrient-poor food), so maybe this is a change for the better. Hopefully.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 04:28 am (UTC)The Ralphs is out of the blue-cap bottled water I usually buy, but so far have been able to fill it in with other brands that I don't usually see on those shelves.
Sometimes one item or another will be down to a brave row across the front of an empty shelf, but I haven't seen any huge empty gaps on shelves. Yet.
I don't buy much meat so haven't looked at that section.
My sympathies to Canadians. Sounds like the idiocy hasn't been given up on yet.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 06:31 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 02:13 pm (UTC)I can relate. It's going to be such a long nine months!
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 09:16 pm (UTC)Please, please, please. Vote if you must but please vote something else other than R or D. Anything else. Write yourself in, that would be an improvement.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-20 03:23 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-20 10:20 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-20 04:21 pm (UTC)The voting system is specifically rigged so only one of two top contenders can win a given election. It's called "first past the post" plurality voting.
>>Voting Republican won't change a thing
Yes, voting for an establishment neocon bootlicker Republican won't do anything. However, voting for a populist Republican might make a huge difference! Especially in a local election.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-20 06:42 pm (UTC)(Even better would be a Libertarian named "Noneof Theabove")
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 04:33 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 08:17 pm (UTC)JLfromNH/Viridian Senescent Carbuncle
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 09:01 pm (UTC)This morning I got an update from the group, No More Mandates, advising us to stock up. We were already prepared to do a big shopping. We just came back from our local food store (Loblaws at Maple Leaf Gardens}. It is a very large food store. We noticed they were short on meats of all types (chicken, pork, beef) and basics like pasta and rice. Fresh veggies were also in short supply and what was there was not of good quality. They seemed to have lots of everything else - canned goods etc.
I would advise everyone to start stocking up if you haven't already done so. This especially applies to Canadians as we import so much of our food from the US or Mexico (which comes by truck via the US).
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 12:36 am (UTC)Makes me miss Chretien, who understood how to grapple like a man with deep states of denialism in a population.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-21 12:13 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 09:19 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-18 10:17 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 01:22 am (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 09:27 am (UTC)About the only time, I really notice shortages is when I go shopping online and see out of stock all over the place.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 12:37 pm (UTC)Which is very very odd, because the whole reason they offered you the ability to get cash in the first place is it cut down on the amount of armored car deliveries they have to pay for. They want you to take all their physical cash off their hands. Provided you paid for it in the first place, of course.
And it also makes my ears perk and swivel, because if you read the historical accounts of hyperinflation, one of the odd features of them is this insatiable demand for physical cash. More, more, more, we must have more. Never enough cash anywhere. Need more, need more. Go read any account. We're close to something big breaking. Even if there wasn't this silliness with the truckers, yeah, stock up. Stock the truck up.
Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-19 02:08 pm (UTC)Re: collapse
Date: 2022-01-22 08:57 pm (UTC)Wall Street speaks?
Date: 2022-01-18 06:25 pm (UTC)https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/nothing-is-over-until-wall-street
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Date: 2022-01-18 06:34 pm (UTC)https://consentfactory.org/2022/01/18/the-last-days-of-the-covidian-cult/
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Date: 2022-01-18 07:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:37 pm (UTC)But yep, something must have shifted massively in his opinion. That‘s a lot less doom-and-gloom than before.
And I suppose he‘s right, of course - the most interesting times are still ahead of us.
Milkyway
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Date: 2022-01-18 08:42 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 09:52 pm (UTC)And, if Democrats I know are any indicator, try and blame Trump.
(I posted this late and buried in the replies on the last thread, but it seems to fit here as well.)
The latest Democratic talking point seems to be that reason we threw out old-school pandemic response models was because of something-something the Trump administration did in 2017. I'm not clear on what - but somehow, the pandemic response debacle dates to 2017 and Trump.
Donald Trump did plenty of things wrong between March of 2020 and January of 2021, but putting all of the blame for this global garbage fire on either his administration, or him personally, is just nuts. But that may be where we're headed.
The Dem establishment is pretty predictable....
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Date: 2022-01-18 10:29 pm (UTC)No idea why!
JMG, feel free to delete one of the double posts!
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Date: 2022-01-19 01:02 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 10:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 03:47 am (UTC)I posted on the last iteration of this forum that what we are seeing now is the beginning of the next phase of this gong/horror show - the societal train wreck. And it is speeding toward you.
There will be nothing left of Western societies when the dust settles.
That is why it is so important for those of us who see this unfolding (unvaxxed AND vaxxed) to begin building alternate networks for mutual protection and survival.
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Date: 2022-01-19 09:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 07:41 am (UTC)Hopkins may be optimistic about the cult's hold on society finally collapsing, but he still seems to be a stark realist when it comes to the ghastly toll yet to be taken. Arsenic was positively humanitarian compared to what today's cult cooked up. At least it left its victims with nowhere near as long to be tortured by the realization of what had been done to them.
What was the best way to care for and comfort cult members after they had already swallowed the Kool-Aid? Does anyone really know? Everyone's compassion is going to be tested to its limits over the coming year. May we all discover our better natures as we pass through this valley of the shadow of death to the life awaiting us on its other side.
— Christophe
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Date: 2022-01-18 06:37 pm (UTC)"Totally fine and unharmed, but I was just eating in sf restaurant and someone walked in said “I hate techies” (I think bc I had AirPod Max around my neck) and sort of tried to attack me, someone held him back, he said “I’m not nervous for what’s about to happen” I darted out"
https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1483322576868835330
Three takeaways from this:
1 California is not a good place to be right now.
2 This could be an indicator of a coming backlash against "techies". As I've been (neutrally) called a "techie" simply because I use a laptop, those who habitually do computer work in cafes and suchlike might want to be more discrete from now on.
3 The insane medical experiments and attempted digitization of the economy that have come out of COVID are not likely to make the situation for "techies" any better in the years to come...
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Date: 2022-01-18 07:40 pm (UTC)https://neveryetmelted.com/2022/01/16/a-silicon-valley-insiders-twitter-thread/
And I'd add, if you haven't gotten out by now, it's probably too late, for various reasons.
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Date: 2022-01-18 10:58 pm (UTC)I'm so glad I didn't get that job, but landed instead at a much less prestigious place where it's still ok to voice your real opinions (without criticism of the Big Boss, of course)
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Date: 2022-01-18 08:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:33 pm (UTC)see, i'm in the mission here in sf, and the reason my neighbors thought i'd slashed someone's tires is because they know how much i don't have love for what the techies have done to kill this block, the mission, this entire town as well as the world.
i have chased down your brightly-colored-hair ilk to scare them to death for nearly running over old ladies pushing laundry across the street. i ticket teslas that cover my driveway as fast as i can and yeah if they do it twice i have fun.
the kind of fun that hurt my feelings that my neighbors thought i slashed tires. i've never gone THAT far. i think the noise would alert someone to me and i can't run fast enough.
and i live here.
i don't wish the violence but i understand it and yeah, it's getting bad between the robberies and the homelessness broken glass. there is a lot a ton of class resentment anyone which anyone with their face regularly living in any screen cannot even fathom.
i got here in the '90s and i've never worried for my or James' safety but i know there's gonna be a lot of collateral damage, as indeed, there already is and has been plenty. i worry about getting flat tires on mission and being turned into soup so no one can find me.
the rage against techies is hardly focused. and the fact that techies avoid eye contact only enrages the street people in agony, even more.
these masks lockdowns censorship isolation and fear of sex wasn't our idea of a good time. this used to be a fun place to live.
but tech people moved in and complained about the construction noise of new condos and the noise of nightclubs and shut down a corridor and no drums at carnaval anymore because you wanted to sleep in and have brunch.
sf is run by the same whores who sold out the world.
so yeah...
dear brother,
the rage hasn't even popped yet. but there's a general class rage that cannot be suppressed and any of us who looks like we've had a shower that morning-- or even this week--- is gonna catch hell.
there's no smoking section anymore and we all done peed in the same water.
erika
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Date: 2022-01-19 01:57 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 04:19 pm (UTC)-----
thanks. / i haven't even HEARD that concept in decades.
i'm glad that it's finally coming back, myself. even if only inside myself.
(giggle)
but yeah, i see a huuuuge backlash coming against tech and all that it has wrought. i, too, was like that homeless guy screaming at tech bros only a few years ago, before the pandemic distracted me. when i danced outside it was the tech people who felt some kind of way about it called the cops and attacked me to STOP me because they felt it was Their World Now.
i'm not afraid of the other screaming homeless just yet; they come up and hug me watch me thank me protect me wave to me and throw fists in the air like i know what i'm doing.
remember that very public and very sincere tech bro letter to the city complaining that tech people worked hard and didn't wanna have to see the homeless they had to step over to get to their new gentrified offices?
there's a reason for the lack of love. so in the meantime i'd cover your public laptops apple watches and google glasses reduxed or air pod thingies-- cover all your portable grafted or implanted technology in fake fur, googly eyes, and triangular ears and pretend they're a new breed of chihuahua bull terrier mix they won't know whether to steal yet.
x
erika
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Date: 2022-01-20 04:25 am (UTC)- p coyle
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Date: 2022-01-18 08:53 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 04:49 am (UTC)There's a whole subculture that wants to improve AI (but worries that it might get too powerful, not care about humanity, and harm us kinda as a side effect of pursuing its own goals. A quote: "If it wants to tile the galaxy with paperclips, it doesn't particularly want to hurt you, but you are made of matter that could be turned into paperclips"); and also wants "better living through chemistry" and tries to find new mind-altering drugs that help rather than harm (a buzzword here is "nootropics").
(These people often have interesting things to say, but they also pity me for being uninterested in mind-altering drugs, which can get annoying. Stop with the social pressure kthxbye)
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Date: 2022-01-19 09:36 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 08:00 pm (UTC)That soliloquy from Hunter S. Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, in which he describes how, "from a steep hill in Las Vegas... with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back", takes on an even more dramatic and poignant context now.
Perhaps part of what Thompson got wrong was the direction of the wave - it wasn't coming from over the Pacific, but way back East, as the momentum of Faustian civilization pushed it forward...
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Date: 2022-01-20 04:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 09:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2022-01-18 10:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 06:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 06:43 pm (UTC)The reason given was that he 'might inflame anti-vex sentiment!
In other words, it was openly admitted that he was a threat to thought, that he might introduce ideas into the public. To me this is a huge shift and a transparent failure of the vex narrative as it directly points to thoughts and ideas as the threat instead of the 'germ'.
Hopefully, Australians will note this shift from 'be afraid of this deadly germ, take this drug to return to normal life' to 'be afraid of this thought we don't want you to think, don't think it and return to normal life'. A very different thing to enforce and a shift in the hypnosis focal point. This might lead to a breaking of the mass formation spell. And it was done by the hypnotizers in a state of panic, no less.
What are the commentariats thoughts on this?
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Date: 2022-01-18 08:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:40 pm (UTC)But who knows? Maybe they were fervent Stalinists who died under torture in, say, 1951, and, as one might imagine in the circumstances, they've just not quite adjusted to their new incarnations as Australians.
Australia
Date: 2022-01-19 08:14 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 09:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 03:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 09:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 07:21 am (UTC)The only times that I feel a sense of being right with the world these days are when I'm in the wilderness.
Duty is the only thing that keeps me at it, and that's wearing pretty thin. Part of me hopes some of those duties will be stripped due to my unvaxxed status.
Then the decision to go bush will be made for me.
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Date: 2022-01-19 06:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 10:29 pm (UTC)That said, if there are mandates, they should apply to all, and sports stars, royalty, politicians and other celebrities should not get special exemptions.
We have endless stories of "important people" feeling they don't have to obey the rules (Boris Johnson & members of his cabinet, Barack Obama's birthday party where only serving staff were required to wear masks, and now Novak Djokovic). Yet many "ordinary" people cannot visit their dying mother, and if mandates are in place, they should be applied equally.
I applaud Djokovic for not wanting to be vaccinated, but if so, he should have stayed at home, and not attended the Australian Open. It is a small price to pay for making an unpopular stand.
Yet he thought because he was so important he could flaunt Australia's tight rules (but Australian citizens can't).
So poor Djokovic cannot defend his Grand Slam title and make more millions of dollars. Well, T.S. and "Boo-Hoo". The days of the "Divine Right of Kings" (and Sports Stars) should be over by now.
Quercus
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Date: 2022-01-19 02:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 03:48 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 09:31 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 06:44 pm (UTC)https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/living-for-the-moment-study-points-to-cognitive-differences-in-people-who-are-vaccine-hesitant/ar-AASTD1R?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAggNb9437045
Let me guess - they had economists do the study? How else could you get the conclusion backwards?
It is just as you have been saying all along, John: they have lost touch with reality, and are now substituting their favorite fantasy for the facts.
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Date: 2022-01-18 07:45 pm (UTC)Fox mandate law proposal
Date: 2022-01-18 06:46 pm (UTC)I seem to be strapped for time atm and do not have the time to spare to look into the legal field myself. So I would throw it out there.
Does any one of the german speaking members here know what is the prognosis for the proposed austrian fox mandate law.
I heard it is going into parlament, but I do not know what the chances of it passing are, or if it is constitutional or even practical.
Any one in the know?
Re: Fox mandate law proposal
Date: 2022-01-18 07:51 pm (UTC)I browsed a couple of Austrian newspapers but didn't find any information. Judging from this article:
https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/chronik/oesterreich/2134554-Polizeikontrollen-bei-Gartenparty-zulaessig.html
the current is still flowing in the direction of less freedom for citizens and fewer curbs on state power. But another newspaper reported a "study" finding that unvaccinated pregnant women are more likely to miscarry, so it is quite possible the news streams available to me are nothing but pro-narrative propaganda. I hope someone more knowledgeable than I will be able to give you a useful answer.
I am responding mainly because I saw your note in the MM post indicating you are under a lot of pressure and having a difficult time at present. I salute you for your integrity: please accept my best wishes for your health and prosperity. May you find your way safely through the shadows.
Gray Hat
Re: Fox mandate law proposal
Date: 2022-01-19 07:01 am (UTC)Yes exactly. All I get exposed to is the rumor mill of my collegues and family, which amounts to "it is comming" and can be brought down with a simple question as to the details.
The few news sources have, as you said, a kind of pro-narrative taste.
To really judge the situation would require me to read deep into either the political current, to judge if this will not get shut down.
The constitutional background, to figure if this is invalid from the get go.
Or contemplate the technical side of it, if it turns out to be practically infeasable.
Thank you for the best wishes and your help!
Open letter of French philosopher
Date: 2022-01-18 06:48 pm (UTC)Kacem's letter is in French, but I guess Google translate will give the gist. The titel of his open letter is: "We are witnessing the first mondial civil war, an unconventional genocide"
https://eveilinfo.org/2021/11/17/lettre-ouverte-de-mehdi-belhaj-kacem-nous-vivons-la-premiere-guerre-civile-mondiale-un-genocide-non-conventionnel/
Dutch translation is here https://www.wereldbrand.nl/2022/01/10/wij-leven-in-de-tijd-van-de-eerste-mondiale-burgeroorlog
Boccaccio
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Date: 2022-01-18 07:03 pm (UTC)Wow, we are at week 24. The photo of the hiker in the graveyard.... hmmm....
It seems to me that things with "the narrative" are about to get ferociously choppy-- strong pressures in various different directions and in different places.
I cannot thank you enough for providing this civilized oasis for, as you say, "people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death."
I am hanging in there-- I have not complied and I will not comply-- but in my circumstances, where I'm living at the moment, it has been rough. This forum has helped me more than I can say. No doubt many, many others in many other parts of the world, and in their various circumstances, will say the same.
So, dear JMG, thank you for hosting and moderating this week, and for all the weeks. And a big thank you to your wife also because she surely has missed some time with you over this.
Cetiosaurus
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Date: 2022-01-18 07:31 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:41 pm (UTC)Also a big thanks to all the commenters here. I‘m (still?) in a rather comfortable position, but the last few months have been demanding in various ways. You folks have saved my sanity more than once.
Milkyway
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Date: 2022-01-19 08:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:45 pm (UTC)thank you for staying strong.
I am lucky to be in an easy area, surrounded by many good people, and still I have bad days just thinking about the future or my family.
I can barely imagine how difficult it must be surrounded by cultists, with no one you can talk to in real life.
Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-18 07:38 pm (UTC)Weird.
My county is a red county. I go to a few blue counties which are more densely populated and check their death rates. They show half or quarter of the deaths this year compared to last year this time.
Weird again.
Why are people in red counties more likely to die from covid right now? Or is it the case that coroners in blue counties don't list covid as the primary cause while those in red counties are listing covid more frequently?
I smell politics afoot.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 01:48 am (UTC)Now, before y'all lynch me. One would expect these sort of binaries would not make it into our fine fellowship's chats.
In the Faust stories, Mephistopheles does not fail to deliver the promised goods, does he? But the not-so-good doctor fails to realize that the price shall not be dodged, and that it shall be extremely expensive. I'd recommend to check excess mortality rates, if you have access to them.
Also, contrary to the hyperbole prevalent here, people who received said treatment are not *falling* *like* flies*. There are a number of cases, more than what everyone has come to expect from modern medical treatment, but still a small minority. But we do not know how far into the future will the price will remain accruing interests (unlike the viral disease which, as usual, is self limiting in each host).
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 03:36 am (UTC)The vaccines do seem to prevent severe outcomes from Covid-19, but only temporarily. So at each junction people have the option to walk away, but if these vaccines have the common coronavirus vaccine side effect of ADE, by accepting a much higher risk of severe disease from Covid, possibly for the remainder of their life.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 05:01 am (UTC)This wouldn't be the first time we've seen effects from a disease or action develop years after the immediate event (or start of said event). Measles starts a three year period where the body RELEARNS how to defend itself from diseases, smoking and drinking at a steady pace can have effects decades after the habit starts, and starvation can lead to obesity TWO GENERATIONS afterwards (with no effects before the second generation develops). The difference here being that, instead of the disease itself causing the long-term issue (and don't be surprised if some of that happens as well) there's issues from the mRNA vaccine that only further vaccination can keep at bay.
– Donald Hargraves
And, as of right now, I'm not sure we know what those issues are. WE know about the more immediate issues with the vaccine (brain fog, deviant clotting actions – both of which are shared with the virus), what we don't know is what the mRNA viruses they injected us with do over time.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 04:04 am (UTC)Where countries had high excess mortality, they appears to be dropping back into the single digits - still higher than normal, but I don't see a signature for a lot of vaccine induced death here. On this I'm guided by the Israel situation - one of the first countries to achieve a high vaccination rate, and the first to engage in at least two rounds of boosters. If there is to be widespread vaccine induced death, it isn't showing yet.
Now, I get that there are now different realities, and I don't want to judge from one reality to another. So, the expected arguments against what I've put up would probably include:
*Vaccine induced death and sickness are different matters entirely, and the vaccine induced sickness (less than death) won't appear in the mortality data.
* It's still too early for this stuff to appear (particularly for New Zealand)
* The data isn't being recorded, or fudged
* Different batches of the vaccine produced different results
* Countries and regions literally have different outcomes - I'm entirely open to the idea that the US could be experiencing this Covid business differently to other places in the world.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 04:02 pm (UTC)Is it possible we're just seeing deaths of the vulnerable "pulled forward"? E.g., lots of old and/or sick people who were likely going to die in the next few years died a bit sooner, due to some combination of the virus, vax side effects, lockdown isolation, and lack of access to routine healthcare? And as time moves on, these people who would have been dying in years 2 or 3 have already died "early" in year 1 (during first waves of virus, harshest lockdown period, vax rollout), so death rates in years 2 and 3 are a bit lower because the heard was "pre-culled" of some of the most fragile/susceptible in the first year - if that makes sense?
Not sure if the data support that, I'm just throwing it out there.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 09:50 pm (UTC)Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 03:13 am (UTC)- p coyle
/s
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 03:40 pm (UTC)Speaking from the Mexican case. During the worst of the first wave (Summer of 2020) there were a few weeks when excess mortality exceeded expected mortality by about one third. In an hypothetical town where 5 deaths would have been expected, 2 people died of covid and another 10 died of "unrelated" causes. These were not people that were hanging to life with their fingernails; with proper care I would have expected them to live another solid decade!
I have long pondered what is the meaning of those figures, and how they contradict with the narrative prevalent at the Archdruid's online forums. Could it be that the Mexican government is virtue signaling (aka inflating statistics) like mad? With AMLO at the helm it seems most unlikely. Actually I think most of you would very much prefer our policies than those of your own countries.
Part of the explanation is that the Mexican people is very unhealthy, with high rates of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc. However, in that sense we are America's ugly cousin: we are not very far behind our northern neighbors.
The difference, I have come to believe, is that our medical system suffered from decades of mismanagement and neglect. With the regime change in 2018 came budget cuts that were meant to fix those problems but put the system under further stress. Then the pandemic hit us with our virtual pants down and the meager resources that were keeping a large number of sick people on their feet were redirected towards the crisis of the day. Disaster ensued.
The cruel lesson of the Long Descent is that I (we?) knew all too well this was coming, but failed to grasp the implications and their... vastness??? It is easy to say "they just died a bit sooner", but it is hard to say good bye to people who were expected to live productive lives for another 15 years and then retire.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 09:45 pm (UTC)It's still early in the game for the long term effects of the Vac and interactions between the Vac and the virus, especially for NZ, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 01:24 am (UTC)I was going to use the Australian excess death stats to answer that one in part, as they have had substantial Covid outbreaks, at a lower level of vaccination. Their excess death rate has bumped along largely lower than expected, with a couple of minor spikes. However, I can't get up to date data, as their latest mortality stats are from October 2021. They are in the middle of a severe Omicron outbreak now, but from what I can see, the death rates aren't skyrocketing. Sickness is. I see Australia as about six to nine months ahead of NZ.
The increased rate of vaccine injury theory for those who have had Covid before makes a lot of sense.
NZ will find out once Omicron breaks out, which could be any day now, particularly if people get booster shots after infection. I don't honestly know what way people will go, for now, trust in the government on Covid is very high - there are loud voices of dissent, but the numbers are tiny. People may think, I've had Covid now, don't need another vaccine, or they might say, that was bad, I'll start getting it the way I get my annual flu shot, and then the vaccine induced sickness theory can be tested.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 04:58 am (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxmAIKjYM4
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 07:22 am (UTC)For the record, I had an adverse reaction and subsequent blood tests showed heightened blood clotting risk. I have had plenty of blood tests in recent years looking for cardio-thoracic issues (for another reason) and they never showed up anything, which suggests to me that it was caused by the vax.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 04:05 am (UTC)1. most people only got their second jab in December at the earliest - so probably too early for major impacts from the vax and the population is such that the percentages will still result in very low numbers which are easy to shrug off as within the margin of error (looking at the official stats on adverse effects this is exactly what they are saying - deaths and major issues are considered to be within the statistical norms)
2. the hard border controls have severely limited entry of the virus (and the controls started early enough that most NZers have not been infected)
3. the population has a comparatively low level of comorbidities compared to some other western nations (not naming names)
4. population density is very low - always a bonus in epidemics (from what I've read, the issues in Australia seem to be concentrated in denser urban centres)
5. NZ media no longer exists as it once did and hasn't for some time - the death of newspaper advertising has meant they are now reliant on the government funding them - which also means I wouldn't trust the claims that the government's policies have widespread backing
6. vax for young males has not really started yet - and they seem to be the most at-risk from the vax
Note: my parents claim nobody they know have had adverse effects from the vax, so they think it is perfectly safe, but at least three work colleagues of mine have (averaging a week off work each) - when I told my parents that, my mother just repeated how they hadn't know of anyone like a mantra
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-19 11:52 pm (UTC)And this is about as red a county as you get. Any redder and you'd be on Mars.
Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 04:48 am (UTC)Re: Red vs. Blue
Date: 2022-01-20 03:06 pm (UTC)Here in Mexico, people will gladly speak about the side effects of the vaccine, at least when you are talking among equals. We are also behind the US in terms of both population coverage and in terms of boosters (we just began this year with the 1st booster/3rd dose, for senior citizens over 60 only). Our most of our youths remained vax-free well into the Autumn too (due to availability, mostly); which makes me think we are yet to grasp what will be the dimension of the backslash.
Contrarian, as always.
Date: 2022-01-18 07:43 pm (UTC)Unlike the others I don't sense that this is coming to an end. It may be that its a consequence of living in Canada.
Quebec is talking of taxing (aka fining) the unvaxxed. Quebec had already required the booster to maintain passport privileges.
Other provinces are expressing their intentions of following suit.
There is a push to force students to wear N95's as the ineffectiveness of the other masks becomes impossible to hide. The social, educational & psychological damage ignored.
Nowhere is ending the mandates, or the equally odious compliance passports mentioned. Eugenics (experts with the authority to dictate 'medical' intervention) has been re-established. It was established with vaccine mandates the first time, as well. Ostracism is now likewise established in law in all but name. Internment camps are being built in several countries, including Canada.
No, this isn't ending. Its shifting narratives. Its unlikely that governments will be able to continue hiding the costs of the pandemic. And they have worked diligently to create an "other" to blame.
I wish I could feel more positive. I do wish everyone well.
Re: Contrarian, as always.
Date: 2022-01-19 03:11 am (UTC)But don't despair. Sometimes the darkest hour is right before the dawn.
We've been using a dam metaphor. Cracks in the narrative. Cracks in the dam. The dam may look like it's super strong and never held back so much water! And then some cracks appear, and all of a sudden the whole thing collapses at once.
That's what I'm hoping for. I'm not sure how much longer I can take this. But I know I'm not the only one wound so high and ready to snap. The whole thing is wound up pretty tight. I think it's possible it could blow up and blow over really fast. I sure hope so.
Just don't be "downstream" when the dam breaks, but it sounds like you're not.
Best Wishes. Hang in there. You are not alone.
-Slink
Re: Contrarian, as always.
Date: 2022-01-19 05:32 am (UTC)I'm not the OP, but I needed to hear that too.
Re: Contrarian, as always.
Date: 2022-01-19 04:03 am (UTC)While reading comments on blog posts and Twitter leads me to believe that more and more people are waking up, it does not seem to be enough to move the dial on this plandemic. Once something like this gets started, it takes a truly break-through event (such as a MAJOR die-off) to change the direction. This is especially true in compliant countries such as Canada and Australia where there are sheep everywhere you look.
As a comment above notes, the narrative will get very choppy and inconsistent but it will not crack until it is FORCED to crack. Unfortunately, by that point, this will probably mean that our society, as we knew it, will also collapse.
Vaxx Injuries
Date: 2022-01-18 08:05 pm (UTC)https://www.realnotrare.com/post/miriam-thomson
Miriam Thomson
First Dose of Pfizer in 03/21
Missouri
EXCERPT:
"Q: What do you wish others knew?
"I know I’m not alone, and I have heard & read about others having neurologic problems also. I just want some help!"
Vaxx Injuries
Date: 2022-01-18 08:10 pm (UTC)John Parker
First Dose of Pfizer on 08/26/21
Second Dose of Pfizer on 09/16/21 Lot #FD8448
Orlando, Florida
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/john-parker
EXCERPT:
Q: What is your life like now, after getting the vaccine?
3 months post-vaccine, I can still tell that something is wrong with my body! My symptoms are not going away in spite of everything I am doing everything to try to recover from being injured by this vaccine. I have brain fog all of the time, I still have shingles lesions, eye trouble, my lymph glands are sore and swollen, and I have various aches and pains throughout my body. Nevertheless, I thank God for every day that I am alive. I feel fortunate that the vaccine didn’t kill me [yet] and that I can still at least function in my day-to-day life. I try to keep a positive attitude and trust God to help me get through this.
Q: Share your experience with any medical care and any diagnoses you have received:
On October 5th my doctor diagnosed me with shingles! Even though I had Epstein-Barr virus in the past, but I never had such a strange shingles rash. We discussed how the adverse effects of the vaccine had negatively affected my immune system and had led to my current symptoms. Later that day I found a doctor on Facebook who shared a post about the COVID:
Vaccine Adverse Reporting website (VAERS) https://openvaers.com/covid-data .
I was shocked to learn that thousands of other people had also gotten shingles and other health problems as a result of getting these vaccines. And thousands had even died!
Re: Vaxx Injuries
Date: 2022-01-18 11:07 pm (UTC)cobo
Re: Vaxx Injuries
Date: 2022-01-19 02:14 am (UTC)Lathechuck
Re: Vaxx Injuries
Date: 2022-01-19 08:55 pm (UTC)Re: Vaxx Injuries
Date: 2022-01-19 03:26 pm (UTC)It doesn’t feel like a good omen.
Also, it’s very uncomfortable.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:16 pm (UTC)https://joomi.substack.com/p/i-was-deceived-about-covid-vaccine
was mentioned-- I'd like to point to it again since it strikes me as especially important and detailed. It is by Joomi Kim, a data scientist and former biologist who got double vaxxed and now, with more information, regrets it.
EXCERPT:
"In May of 2021, I took the second dose of the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine. At the time, I was led to believe that everybody knows the vaccines are safe and effective. I kept hearing that anybody who believed in science should want to get vaccinated.
"I used to be a biologist, so of course I believed in science. So I took the vaccine.
"If I had known what I know now, I would not have taken it.
"At the time, I had no idea of the level of censorship that hides Covid vaccine injuries from the public. At the time, I thought we could trust our health institutions, more or less.
"But not all vaccines are the same, and not all vaccines are equally safe. And criticizing the Covid vaccines, does not make one 'anti-vax.'
"When it comes to the Covid vaccines, there is overwhelming evidence that they lead to much higher rates of injury and death, than what our health institutions, like the CDC, acknowledge and report to the public.
"I wrote this article in order to take some of the evidence for this and compile it into one, shareable article.
>> CONTINUE READING AT https://joomi.substack.com/p/i-was-deceived-about-covid-vaccine
Post COVID? Post
Date: 2022-01-18 08:21 pm (UTC)No side effects yet, but I'm still taking my Vitamin D. Will get back to working out soon – had to stop when my throat got rough.
– Donald Hargraves
Re: Post COVID? Post
Date: 2022-01-19 08:55 pm (UTC)Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-18 08:26 pm (UTC)Five Ways That People Refused to be Fooled by Lockdown Madness
BY PAUL FRIJTERS, GIGI FOSTER, MICHAEL BAKER
JANUARY 18, 2022
Something striking about the past two years is that almost everyone against lockdowns has exactly the same opinion about the madness of the masses, yet many also belong to groups that don’t have anything else much in common and may even despise each other. It’s as if different groups are observing the herd from completely different vantage points on the same field, but all see the herd make exactly the same moves. They stand relatively still in their different corners, watching while the herd does its zigzags, circles and surges, rumbling on in a lunatic stampede.
Various kinds of people stood apart from the herd at the outset, while some escaped it after it formed. Here we try to describe the main pathways to escape from the madness. We do this only partly out of intellectual curiosity: such an exercise also provides clues as to which of those still in thrall to lockdown orthodoxy might be close to liberating themselves, and what is needed to complete their unshackling.
>> CONTINUE READING: https://brownstone.org/articles/five-ways-that-people-refused-to-be-fooled-by-lockdown-madness/
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-18 10:55 pm (UTC)I've been wondering about this. The people skeptical of this whole mess are such a varied bunch.
My own circles includes a right-wing, devoutly Wiccan herbalist and gun nut (yes, really) who doesn't trust any Democrats and is skeptical of mainstream medicine; a couple of vaguely libertarian types who don't really trust any government and think that "it's all about money" (one is a heavily-armed gun aficionado, the rest are not, most are fairly wealthy); a few mainstream middle-class Republicans and Independents (but no Democrats) who went along early on but have woken up once they started going after the kids; an African-American herbalist (there's that herbalism thing again!); an African-American mother whose politics I don't know; a Jewish dancer who says she puts her faith in a higher power not the mainstream narrative; and me, a reader of some obscure Druid blog who has a degree in history and who also thinks that this is "all about the money" and that the neo-liberal left has lost its ever-loving mind and wouldn't recognize disaster capitalism at work if it locked them in their houses and strapped muzzles on their faces.
An odd collection...
Trying to figure out what the heck these people all have in common has been puzzling me for over a year.
The best I can come up with?
None of us are joiners. That's it. Even the religious ones are more of the personal-faith bent than established orthodoxy.
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 02:39 am (UTC)Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 03:04 am (UTC)Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 03:06 am (UTC)Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 05:16 am (UTC)They're a mix of people who avoid mainstream media and seek alternative sources, people who largely ignore the media, and people who watch only politically right-wing media like Fox. (I've noticed the Fox-watchers have become especially fond of Tucker Carlson of late.)
Conspicuously absent are any consumers of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, etc.
Maybe part of the odd bedfellows aspect is that we're seeing a combo of one side of the political spectrum (right) with independents, and the independents come from all over the place and make for strange bedfellows.
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-20 04:08 am (UTC)No TV, no social media, only occasional looks at ZeroHedge and a regular reader of the blogs and books of some archdruid emeritus guy... :)
Also a well-developed scepticism due to being drummed out of the housing market by Obama in 2009 and from having seen one ballyhoo'ed pharma product after another get pulled off the market for hurting or killing people.
This latter impelled me to "wait a year and see if the shot is safe"-- after well less than a year my jury was in. Not safe.
- Cicada Grove
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 04:23 am (UTC)I was initially very concerned about covid. I supported early lockdowns, because I remembered the many other diseases where my country *had* prevented spread, such as SARS-CoV-1 and Ebola.
But it turned out we didn't have good testing early enough, so.
I had a previous interest in pandemics and disease generally. So I already knew it's difficult to make a coronavirus vaccine. It seemed odd to me that they had one so very fast.
I did not have any previous interest in economics, so I did not predict how bad the economic effects of lockdowns would be. When I saw, I started to wonder about the cost-benefit ratio here.
I've said it before, but: I am generally more open to "Well it theoretically works" "treatments" than the medical profession. So it also seemed very odd to me when the medical profession was suddenly so onboard with these oddly quickly produced vaccines. They were being *way* less cautious than is the norm for them. Something just seemed off.
And that's still really where I am in general: Something just seems off. Now I'm additionally aware of the VAERS signal that should be investigated, and the stats mistake in the pregnancy study, and the odd interpretation of the Pfizer rat pregnancy study ("Well, the treatment group had more problems than the control group, but our historical data says sometimes rat pregnancies just naturally go that badly, so it probably doesn't mean anything"--man I'm used to complaining that modern doctors who pride themselves on being "evidence-based" *completely discount* historical data and look *only* at the latest study's comparison of treatment and control groups, and here they're doing the complete opposite! Another example of the odd way the medical profession is treating these vaccines, as opposed to *every other intervention for anything*).
So I now have a better idea of what is "off," but no firm conclusions yet. Just...something is off enough that I don't want this intervention for myself.
-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 08:04 pm (UTC)They remember being considered a physically or ideologically polluted/polluting or forcibly assimilated group, and refused to take part in tit for tat, or consider this a good opportunity to exercise their own latent neurosis to prove they were now "better than" by simply finding another group to kick down. Maybe they decided to simply demonstrate they were human beings all along, the way all successful civil rights advocates have.
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 09:05 pm (UTC)Yeah, some groups have pretty visceral reasons not to jump on board when the government says "hey! Come participate in our giant medical experiment!"
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-20 02:07 am (UTC)But I think it's that they didn't have medical experiments in the positive sense - they weren't given drugs - so much as they were deprived of what they were told by the Crown or the government they would get: food (nutrition experiments) and medical care, and have not had access to the same standard of health care in remote areas. So to them, this was "don't you dare deprive us of the same medicine all the other people in society are going to get! Don't you lie and not fulfill your promises again!" Especially for another old world viral disease. They've even asked for the army to come to their communities, which is fascinating, historically speaking. It may be a truly tragic outcome.
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-22 03:08 pm (UTC)-athaia-
Re: Mass Formation
Date: 2022-01-22 05:24 pm (UTC)Re: Mass Formation
Date: 2022-01-22 09:02 pm (UTC)Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 09:45 am (UTC)1. Non-conformist characters
2. People who don’t watch MSM
3. Those who genuinely believe in higher powers.
I‘m all three, and the behavior of the majority around me gives me the creeps.
Re: Mass Formation Psychosis
Date: 2022-01-19 09:01 pm (UTC)I used to read MSM (not TV though), but not for the past year. I gave it up in total disgust.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:34 pm (UTC)1. The duration of the status of "recovered" has been cut from six months to three months.
2. As of today, only persons with three injections are regarded as "fully vaccinated," which means that millions of people are now back in the
uncleanunvaccinated category.Reactions in the comments sections were twofold:
The until-recently-fully-vaccinated were furious.
The unvaccinated-from-the-beginning were amused.
I admit, I laughed out loud when I read the articles. In fact, I'm still loling.
Needless to say, this will do wonders for the acceptance of general vaccination mandates in the (now very big) group of formerly vaccinated citizens. :D :D :D And I expect the numbers of evening strollers aka "enemies of the state" (I kid you not, that's what they're called by the media and the so-called Verfassungsschutz) to swell yet again.
Interesting times.
- athaia -
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 10:38 pm (UTC)https://m.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/impfpflicht-zoff-kassenaerzte-sagen-lauterbach-den-kampf-an-78868050.bildMobile.html
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 11:06 pm (UTC)Anyway, I'm happy the unfoxed Germans are getting reinforced by the ex-foxed Germans. That should improve your chances staving off a mandatory fox.
In neighbouring the Netherlands we have our own version of insanity. A few examples:
- The government has bought enough vaxxes to jab every citizen 8 times
- This week children ages 5-11 are invited for the jab (breaks my heart)
- One of the main virologists that is in the advisory board that makes the C19 policy, warned the public for... mosquitos! (no joke). Apparently they will give us new, unkown diseases. Time to get afraid!
- We are still in lockdown, because the governmet still expects a wave of Omicron-related hospitalisations. Since the peak of Delta early December, the hospitals are only emptying but they still believe prognoses that so far have been completely off the mark.
Boccaccio
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 09:40 am (UTC)Stroll against the machine.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-19 06:42 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 08:45 pm (UTC)# # # # #
Mandates Are About Political Control, Not Health
BY JENIN YOUNES JANUARY 18, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/mandates-are-about-political-control-not-health/
For two years, the political class’s ineptitude has been on full display. School shutdowns, business closures, and endless mask mandates have all proven relatively ineffective at stemming the spread of COVID-19 (never mind reducing hospitalizations and deaths), yet politicians continued instituting these harmful and useless measures in a desperate attempt to be perceived as doing something.
But over the past month or so, it has become inescapable that sheer incompetence and ignorance can no longer be the sole explanation for two years of bungled policies. Rather, the craven mindset of many of our leaders in both parties (albeit primarily Democrats) is manifest. They are using our bodies to score cheap political points, impervious to the injury they are inflicting upon us.
Worst of all are the vaccine mandates, which come in countless forms. Universities, including public ones, are requiring faculty, staff, and students to vaccinate against COVID-19 in order to remain employed or enrolled. Many, for example Washington and Lee University in Virginia, Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, and the CUNY and SUNY state schools in New York, are now requiring boosters.
As an attorney who has filed a number of lawsuits challenging vaccine mandates coming from both public university employers and the federal government, I am contacted every day by myriad students, faculty and employees at these universities. Many now are double-vaccinated and COVID-19 recovered. A significant portion had recent bouts with COVID-19, which is unsurprising given that Omicron swept across much of the nation in a very brief time period. Yet, for students to continue their education at the universities they may have invested significant time, emotional energy and resources into attending, they are being coerced into getting a useless medical procedure that many legitimately fear could harm them.
Consider, for instance, the data on myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) especially for men under age 30. While in a cynical attempt to push their blanket vaccine mandate agenda agencies such as the CDC and FDA have dismissed these concerns, claiming that myocarditis is extremely rare and almost always resolves quickly, cardiologist Anish Koka has explained that this is not an accurate assessment of either the risk or the severity of the condition.
Multiple independent data sets actually suggest that vaccine-induced myocarditis occurs at rates that are much higher than the CDC estimates, and may in fact be higher than the rates of COVID related complications in healthy young men. Moreover, as Koka has explained, the notion that myocarditis can be described as “minor” is absurd. Not only does one suffer chest pain and leak cardiac enzymes from damaged heart muscle, but a third of patients are found to have fibrosis and scarring in the heart that has an uncertain long-term prognosis.
Valid concerns about the health risk of repeated boosters are also arising. European Union regulators just rang an alarm bell, explaining that evidence indicates such a practice could actually deplete one’s immune system long-term, leading to all sorts of health problems, including greater susceptibility to COVID-19. In short, for many, especially young, COVID-recovered people, the risks of COVID-19 vaccination, especially a second dose or a booster, might outweigh any benefit.
Furthermore, there is no societal-wide justification for these mandates. Many epidemiologists and experts in vaccine safety believed that these particular products did not stop transmission from the start. They unquestionably do not stop transmission of new variants like Omicron. Even CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, who relentlessly pursues a blanket vaccine mandate approach, has admitted as much.
Where no coherent claim can be made that vaccination is for the “greater good,” to remove personal choice from the equation by premising employment upon taking a medically unnecessary and possibly injurious vaccine is unconscionable.
Yet, instead of revisiting their vaccine requirements, some employers are doubling down and mayors and governors are taking a page out of their books. Democratic strongholds across the country are implementing passport programs, meaning that one must show proof of vaccination in order to enter places of public accommodation, for instance restaurants, bars, movie theaters, and gyms.
Essentially, participation in public life is not possible in these blue bastions unless one gets vaccinated and is willing to show proof of it or take the legal and reputational risk of using a counterfeit vaccination card. Although New York City’s proof of vaccination requirement has been a colossal failure, other blue cities such as DC, Chicago, Boston, and Minneapolis are emulating the program. Politicians like de Blasio and Mayor Bowser of DC appear to believe that “getting people vaccinated,” the justification for these requirements, is an end in and of itself, regardless of whether it does anything to reduce COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths, not to mention improve public health overall.
Mask mandates fare no better. For two years, study after study has confirmed what could not escape the objective, casual observer: that community masking with cloth and surgical masks does nothing to slow the spread of COVID-19, despite the attempts of politicians and compromised scientists to twist results of this research to claim otherwise.
Rather than admit the obvious policy failures, those who have been insisting upon masking are making the ludicrous claim that the Omicron variant somehow circumvents these barriers while Delta and original COVID did not. And, contrary to the contentions of these “experts,” who are somehow still considered experts despite being wrong time after time, masking is harmful, especially for children.
The commonsense points many of us have been making – that children need to see facial expressions and be free to make such expressions themselves in order to develop socially, cognitively, and linguistically – are now being borne out by research. Masking is harmful to adults, too. Reading facial expressions is one way in which we connect with each other, and it is important for our psychological well-being.
While the average member of the Zoom class does not have to spend the majority of the day in a mask, most members of the working class—servers, bartenders, and uber drivers, for example—do. Masking for hours each day causes pain behind the ears and reduces oxygen intake. It is also hard to escape the dehumanization attached to servers and bartenders having their faces covered, while the patrons remain mask-free from the moment they sit down.
Yet, every time cases rise in a blue jurisdiction, one can be relatively certain that the mayor or governor will weaponize this pointless measure in order to make a show of doing something.
In 2022, mask and vaccine mandates—and many other COVID-19 mitigation measures such as arbitrary restrictions on gathering size and social distancing—have nothing to do with our well-being, and everything to do with the Mayor Bowsers of the world scoring political points, which becomes yet more obvious when these same politicians do not follow their own rules.
Mandates that serve no legitimate public health purpose and are instituted merely to punish the noncompliant should have no place in a civilized or democratic society. It is time that Americans wake up and realize that they are being used as pawns in a game of politics.
Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-18 08:46 pm (UTC)Um. A mood swing from contemplative to cold, and an image swing from wide-open, sunny mountain paths to a graveyard in autumn.
Is there anything in particular that has caused this change in your perception?
Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 03:56 am (UTC)I discussed a while ago my very tentative hypothesis that demonic entities may be involved in this whole business. If you look at other historical examples where a group of people practiced malefic magic for political purposes -- I'm thinking here especially, but not only, of the rise and fall of the Third Reich -- there's a very specific dynamic. In the first two-thirds or so of the story, everything goes the way the malefic mages want -- their enemies crumple, their dreams come true, they're on top of the world. Then, very quietly, the momentum shifts and everything goes wrong, and the malefic mages go down in a maelstrom of terror, failure, and death.
I've lost the source, but one text I read years ago suggests that this is intentional on the part of the demons. They give the malefic mages what the mages ask, up to a point, so that as many people as possible fall in line, and they gently nudge the mages into more and more extreme evils. Then the momentum changes, and the malefic mages double down frantically, doing more and more evil as they circle the drain.
It feels to me as though the momentum has changed. If events follow the trajectory I've just outlined, I'd expect to see the vaccines pushed ever more frantically on children and infants, multiple boosters mandated, etc., etc., as things begin to fall apart. This would also be the point at which the death rate begins moving steadily up -- not vertically by any means, not enough to break the true believers out of their trance, but enough to tighten the screws on them and to torment everyone else with fear and grief. (Demons don't play gently with their toys.)
Of course, all this is speculative in the extreme. We'll just have to see what happens.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 04:40 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 07:58 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 09:03 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 03:54 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 04:42 am (UTC)Well, if a bunch of people made a bargain for a return of better economic conditions for the working class, then I'd say it worked out exactly as the above description seemed to suggest it would.
This also, concerningly, would suggest that the reason that the demons were able to use Trump so effectively was that he, or at least many in his camp, were under their control, and explain the insane troll logic some of his defenders used.
I wonder if this June will see some sort of major crisis...
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 07:04 am (UTC)One possibility I see though is that either the Ontario election and/or the French Parliamentary election, both in June gives a major upset; and then the entire Covid narrative will come crashing down, destroying the legitimacy of the Western political/social/economic system altogether as it does so.
I don't know French politics well enough, but if the New Blue Party here in Ontario ends up looking like it has any kind of chance at victory, I'm going to be very, very concerned about what happens next...
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 05:39 pm (UTC)USSR - USSA
Cernobyl - Covid
Perestroyka(rebuilding) - Great Reset - 6uild 6ack 6etter
Satelites going crazy(85-89) - 2020/2021 NATO vassals going crazy authoritarian
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Hasn't happen
Berlin Wall '89 - 2022 Breaking the narrative
Romania '89. - 2022 Revolution in one of the vassals (France?!, Japan?!, Australia!?)
Fall of USSR winter '91 - 2022/2023 Fall of the USSA Empire
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 03:12 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 09:51 am (UTC)Also many people seem to ignore the fracking Bonanza which is on life support for years, my guess that this ignorance is more like denial.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 05:04 am (UTC)1989/2022:
Surprise victories for opposition parties lead to the established regime collapsing in at least one major country (Poland in the case of the USSR; France would be one guess for now (with the National Rally playing the role of Solidarity), Canada is another if Ontario and/or Quebec's legislative elections are won by "radicals".
Shortly thereafter, the USSR declared it would not use military force in foreign nations' affairs; perhaps the USA decides against intervening somewhere (my guess is in Taiwan).
East Germany reopens their border and reunifies with West Germany; perhaps North and South Korea will reunify? It won't be the same, but it could be an odd parallel.
1990/2023:
"The War of Laws" breaks out, with several parts of the USSR asserting that their laws are supreme over the laws of the central government. I could easily see Texas or Florida deciding to refuse to follow federal law over the Covid issues, with an enormous amount of support.
Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia declare independence, taking the position they had always, legally, been sovereign. In the current context, perhaps Texas, Hawaii, and/or Vermont take that radical step?
1991/2024:
Efforts to reform the USSR into a looser confederation were proposed; leading to a constitutional crisis and then a short lived and catastrophic coup attempt. This could be translated fairly easily.
Finally, on Christmas, the USSR ceased to exist, wiping out savings and plunging millions into destitution and large parts of the world into various degrees of chaos. Again, without much difficulty this could be translated into the fall of the USA.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 09:49 am (UTC)I think the data point that puts the date more towards 1991/2022 is Afghanistan
USSR - USSA
Afghanistan exit beginning of '89 - Afghanistan exit middle of 2021
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 07:21 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-22 02:47 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 12:01 pm (UTC)He has later written that one of the stages he expected to happen last, cultural collapse, is pretty much a fait accompli in the USA. The USSR never reached that stage.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 01:23 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 09:07 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 05:21 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
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Date: 2022-01-19 04:45 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 11:22 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 03:46 pm (UTC)2) If you assume The Anschluss (March of 1938) as the starting point (and that The Nazis could have backed off and stopped their magic before the Anschluss, though at a cost; this also assumes that once The Anschluss was done what came after couldn't be avoided), you get a rougher separation into thirds but you also get the 7 year span of actual battles (Anschluss to The Battle of Britain, The Blitz to Stalingrad, and El Alamein to May 11, 1945).
– Donald Hargraves
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 07:59 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 09:17 pm (UTC)What makes you so sure it‘s not some malefic force invoked by other players and/or for other means?
This question has been rummaging around in the back of my head ever since I read your demon hypothesis. A magic resistance against Trump seems to be an awfully US-centered thing to invoke something that touches the whole planet in such a profound way.
Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 09:46 am (UTC)I would say the global madness is also US centered, if you look at the countries that are having the most madness are the most aligned with the US madness foreign policy so you can guess the crazy health measures are coming also from US.
Or shorter: US found a way to outsource the chaos abroad to the vassals and to some failed states.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 08:04 pm (UTC)But as far as I know, the madness has also taken hold in parts of Asia and South America. And people all over the world are affected, even if their country didn‘t go full-on mad. If I remember right, serious sources were estimating that millions would or might die from starvation in Africa because of all the lockdowns and other interruptions. Heck, even the poor sea horses have to swim their way through masks blown into the sea…
So I‘m still not convinced that this perspective isn‘t too US centered. We shall see, I guess. Or, which is more likely, we shall never know for sure. :-)
(Or I might simply be wrong about all this. As I said, this is all fairly new to me and I only have some common sense to rely on. For whatever that is worth… :D I know that‘s not an unlikely possibility, hence I was asking what made JMG and others so sure it was the Trump hysteria which started all this, and not something else.)
Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 04:55 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 08:55 am (UTC)Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 05:17 pm (UTC)People in many countries, yours and mine included, went nuts about him, too. After his inauguration, Women's Marches took place in 81 countries. It was the largest protest movement the world had ever seen.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 03:17 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 05:27 am (UTC)I got a text today from a relative in anther state. A devout Latin-mass Catholic, and rather an odd woman in other ways, but that's neither here nor there. The text had a link to a podcast, which I haven't yet listened to, on demonic influences in social media.
Just an odd synchronicity, coming from two very different sources. Demons seem to be "in the air", so to speak.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 05:43 am (UTC)Oog. May the Gods save us, may the Gods save us all. This whole thing is proving challenging for me, too many people I love have taken those things with glee. I pray every day for their well-being, talking to them is pointless now, I have no recourse and I have no leverage and as things start to happen it becomes harder. The other day someone I know literally said she felt empty inside and that on her dreams she would feel possessed by a demon and unbearable anxiety unable to scream my name for help. My gut twisted into a knot.
Sigh.
"I must not fear
Fear is the mind killer
Fear is the little death the brings total obliteration
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Fear is failure and the beginning of failure. Therefore be thou without fear. For in the heart of the coward, virtue abideth not; and he that trembleth at the fire and the flood and the shadows of the air hath no part in God."
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 06:46 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 12:51 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
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Date: 2022-01-20 07:11 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 07:13 pm (UTC)I wish you the best of luck with this painful situation, and hope that you can ensure that whatever you must endure makes you a better person.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 05:58 am (UTC)In one of JMGs magical training programs he says that human skills have fallen so low that even just a little development on them will make you rise, or something like that. I think he is right, some people these days don't know from which end to hold a hammer.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 08:22 pm (UTC)I was going into academia when Covid hit, and then went into a job in fast food, since my options were very limited by how little I could actually do. I went from being hopelessly incompetent to able to handle things surprisingly quickly once I set my mind on the task, but when I look back on it I am amazed at how few skills I actually had. I still have a long ways to go before I'll feel comfortable with using my skills for anything, but I think you're right about just how much room to improve there is for most people.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 06:55 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:00 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 03:17 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 05:23 am (UTC)If it's the vaccines, then it should end in disaster this summer. If it's the entire Covid narrative we're looking at another year or so; if it's the entire TDS thing, then we're not looking at the final crisis until 2024...
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 04:37 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 07:25 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 08:07 am (UTC)This is a serious question, btw. I‘m fairly new to the concept of demons and keep realising that I have knowledge gaps.
The starting point is fairly clear: people invoke a demon, and things take off from there.
But the end… is there a clear „end point“? Do we all just wake up one morning, after 7 (or X) years, demons are gone, birds are tweeting and everybody is their usual self again?
Or is there no clearly defined „end“, with demons making the most of some people for years to come - and these people, potentially, being so confused and tormented that they might wreak havoc around them?
I‘m strictly asking about the demonic part here, btw. I know fully well that the societal and other consequences of all this will keep us busy for years to come, as you quite rightly said.
But just looking at the demon hypothesis, at old lore about it, and at previous examples like the third reich: how and in which way does something like that end?
Milkyway
PS: Being German, of course I know how the third reich ended. But I can‘t recall anybody discussing an occult dimension to it, let alone on how that dimension ended. Clearly, I haven‘t been reading the interesting stuff… ;-)
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 09:37 pm (UTC)A few months before all the hysteria, I had a strange dream where I saw this index card with the typed word "END" on it. Usually I cannot read anything in a dream, but this was very clear. In the lucidity I pondered the meaning and realized that the old world was at an end and things were about to radically change. I fear that the current story is about to be replaced by war...and thus even greater shortages, etc.. Not sure it will be a real war, but the media will make sure to make it look real so that we continue to surrender our rights and waste our taxes on further corporate adventures that do not benefit the taxpayers.
Time to rewrite the Declaration of Independence and circulate it widely and world wide to make it clear that we will NOT be ruled by corporations without human hearts or responsibility.
Goes back to the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve make excuses for themselves rather than admit what they did and ask forgiveness. Both Jewish and Orthodox Christian commentaries note that this latter action is what caused the expulsion, not the initial disobedience.
One problem is that the "devil" will never admit he is wrong, unlike God who will take responsibility for His creation by also becoming man and enduring atonement. Whether one believes in the Christ story or not, I think it is an interesting contrast in our own human psychology when it comes to taking responsibility for the work of our own hands. The devil will always avoid it. Exercising real "God" power would be to admit the mistake and take responsibility to fix it! How could humanity grow in harmony with life and the planet if he could not fear being wrong and admitting it, but our society places too much approbation on admitting that you are wrong. This in turn has created a society based on lies rather than truth telling. The modern MSM will make sure to cancel anyone who tells the truth!
After all these years, we still haven't learned to take responsibility for our mistakes. We blame a boogeyman instead of ourselves. Those of us who can see what is going on still need to look at our own dark side and use this to be a bit more merciful to others. The Eden story is still relevant. We've pretty much exhausted the Tree of Knowledge and need to take some time to invest in the Tree of Life...
Perhaps one of the reasons they cannot take responsibility is that they actually don't know what they are doing because they are still stuck on progress and increasing profits at all cost? These can be forgiven, but they have to admit the wrong...and like in Christian penance - once they admit it and take the penance, it is forgiven and forgotten - but only via admission and rectification of the errors.
While those entrenched with the "devil" mentality will never change in their lifetime, perhaps some will see the light that it is freeing to admit that one has done wrong and will repair it.
As our host has written in his books, we need to move from a binary to a ternary. The binary creates the no-win spiral to hell, while the ternary gives us a way out of this mess. I personally believe this ternary (Trinity for Christians) is why anything exists at all and to some extent is the root of the "Theory of Everything" for this Universe. Other Universes may work differently. Encouraging the Trinary in thought is a way out of this mess, but the MSM try their hardest to keep us focused on the binary so we don't actually break out of the errors that keep us in bondage.
A major issue I have with AI is that it is based on the binary and thus cannot actually simulate the real world or life. AI is very useful for SOME things, but it is not all in all, but only part of the whole. Any singularity AI reaches will be akin to another universe and not like the singularity of this one, thus said singularity would NOT contain knowledge of all that is, but all that can computed by a handicapped system!
+Love and Light
-AWH
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 10:05 am (UTC)Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 10:02 am (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 05:49 pm (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18149065#cmt18149065
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 03:14 pm (UTC)I had noticed how the "magical resistance" had been promoting workings to do things like drive Trump from office, silence him, prevent him from doing harm, banish and bind him, etc.
And I also noticed what happened during covid. Workers were literally driven from their office workplaces, everyone was forced to be masked in public and if not silenced at least muffled, nobody could really do much of anything (harmful or not) because of shutdowns, people were "banished" from the public sphere and "bound" to stay in their homes, etc.
I asked JMG if that was the way blowback worked and he answered that it could indeed work that way.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 08:09 pm (UTC)Back then, I wasn‘t quite sure what to make of that observation. But after reading JMGs stuff and the comments here for a while now, I can imagine quite well that such „mass chants“ could have effects - even if not the desired ones.
Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 11:12 pm (UTC)Fortunately, this time someone listened, and the really, really bad idea is slowly being rolled back and memory-holed.
"After supporting “Black Shirt Day,” which received overwhelming support around the world on January 15, 2021, the members of Ninandotoo Society created the Black Excellence Day initiative. We chose to create our own event after consulting with various community members, including Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, Vancouver Holocaust Education Centre, and BC Human Rights Commission, who all voiced that the words ‘Black shirt’ and seeing people march wearing black shirts brought up traumatic experiences of Holocaust survivors."
https://blackexcellenceday.ca/index.php/about-us/
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 11:19 am (UTC)Thanks for the news. Thanks for the open forum.
Keep up the good work!
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 01:53 pm (UTC)I don‘t like that at all, alas. If that would be the case, is there anything that could be done to influence things in a positive way?
I‘m not particularly religious, so not sure if prayer is a valid option for me. Anything else you could suggest? (Apart from getting myself and my immediate family prepared for any weird thing and any fallout that might happen, of course.)
And: are there any good sources/books about the malefic magic aspects of the third reich? Somebody below mentioned The Occult Roots of Nazism - anything else you could or other people can recommend? (German sources would also be fine, in case somebody knows any.)
Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:04 pm (UTC)As for sources, The Occult Roots of Nazism is practically the only thing in print that isn't batshale crazy -- and it's very solidly researched and worth reading, for that matter.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:22 pm (UTC)No, I‘m only starting out on the occult path, so I‘m a bit late to this particular game. But the way I see it right now, there will be other chances to apply my still-to-be-acquired occult skills in the future…
It seems there is a German translation of the Occult Roots of Nazism and I will get that - some family members a very interested in history and showed an interest in that when we talked over dinner.
Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:21 pm (UTC)The 93%
To Trust to Good Intentions.
On my own book recommendation in the comments of the first article, allow me to quote myself:
"An interesting aside to keep oneself up with at night thinking of the US' national mythology about how they joined the war: the Germans began infiltrating the US years before hostilities broke out, and had the entire nation extraordinarily well-covered with sleeper agents. Pheiffer, the head of the Abwehr, bragged prior to the war: "At every strategic point in the United States we have at least one of our operatives. In every armament factory, in every shipyard in America we have a spy, several of them in key positions. The United States cannot plan a warship, design an airplane, develop a new device that we do not know of at once." Farago's footnote explains that this was part of why the Luftwaffe was able to be combat ready in 1939; "without the aid from the United States, it would have taken considerable longer, and the Germans could not have gone to war as soon as they did.""
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 08:20 am (UTC)Milkyway
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 02:14 pm (UTC)Heh, back when I was an undergrad taking a course about WWII, I wrote an essay about the Nazis and in the feedback my prof gave me a one-line, "drop the occult stuff". I was like, why, it's the most interesting part of the whole thing!
-Bofur
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 06:25 pm (UTC)A question for you, if I might. I ask this in the context of knowing that an important rule of magic ends with "and to shut the @$!% up", so I'm not interested in specifics. That said, have you been aware of any resistance to this malefic magic? I hesitate to use the word resistance any more, as it feels a bit tainted now. Anything along the lines of Dion Fortune during WW2?
If your answer is "loose lips sink ships" I completely understand, and will step backwards quietly.
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:29 pm (UTC)Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 03:07 am (UTC)Illinois:
On January 7, 2022, the Illinois Department of Labor (IDOL) filed peremptory rules adopting the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (OSHA) COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS). IDOL will require all state and local public employers in Illinois to comply with ETS sections (d)-(l). IDOL’s peremptory rules do not apply to private businesses.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/illinois-adopts-new-public-employer-rules-federal-osha-s-covid-19-ets
. peremptory - not open to appeal or challenge; final.
City of Chicago, effective January 12, 2022
. paragraph one of the public health order " Governor of Illinois affirmed that a local government body may enact provisions that are stricter than those in the Executive Order;"
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/health-orders.html
Beth on the prairie
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-20 05:37 am (UTC)Here's an odd thought I've had, and I'd like to know if you think it plausible, but I've seen a few people dating things earlier than Trump, and had a rather concerning thought: given just how many people were invested in the idea of the world changing in 2012, and the way that a number of people noticed that things started getting worse in 2013, is it possible that the initial deal with demons asked them to change things? A few years later we get Brexit (major change), Trump (ditto), Trudeau elected in Canada promising major changes; etc.
I've noticed that many of the focal points of Wokesterism and TDS were the same circles which were most dominated by the 2012 phenomena, which would seem to fit...
Re: Mood change?
Date: 2022-01-21 08:25 pm (UTC)Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-18 08:52 pm (UTC)There is the regular foxination schedule that will still be every 2-6 months.
I don't see any sign yet that the govts are willing to give up the digital IDs, so they would need to continue the charade of foxination forever.
My guess is there will be countries where people will have 10 shots this year. What do you think?
Re: Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-18 10:47 pm (UTC)Re: Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-19 11:06 am (UTC)Re: Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-19 09:08 pm (UTC)Re: Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-19 08:26 am (UTC)Re: Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-19 09:27 pm (UTC)Re: Future foxes?
Date: 2022-01-19 10:52 pm (UTC)Where does this digital movement leave those of use who literally cannot use this technology? All the talk of inclusion and care for the disabled really sounds hollow to me at this point.
Yes, the digital ID (the mark of the beast IMO) is the desired end. As a former MS tech support engineer, I can tell you this is what they always wanted, as well as eternal dependence on subscriptions to the corporation to live at all in life. They want it both digitally and physically. Why we must ask? It does US no benefit, only those who seek more and more profits from a planet already overtaxed. We must not allow this to happen. It has gone too far. Convenience for the elites is too high a price to pay for the rest of us. Time for the rest of us to actually count for something and start giving back to Gaia instead of plundering her.
My idea is to let them have China to do what they wish, but hands off of everywhere else. We'll decide on our own if we want what China has.
+Love and Light
-AWH
praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-18 08:58 pm (UTC)Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-18 10:48 pm (UTC)Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-18 11:43 pm (UTC)Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-21 06:47 am (UTC)i have a dear friend i suspect was part of the magic resistance to orange man bad. i passed along JMG's demonic influence hypothesis and she seemed rather sobered by it. it was around then that i decided i need to learn some more about this stuff, and as an atheist, i had no idea what deity i could adopt/pray to/worship. i went to a family dinner at my mom's house and found out my cousin's daughter has taken on the name of eris. it seemed like a sign of sorts, but i couldn't for whatever reason buy into it. eris was my first choice.
the next morning i was driving to work and athena by the who came on the radio. i hadn't heard that song in forever. and it stuck in my head for days. i thought "now here is a sign." your post makes me think i may have been onto something.
might have to ask for one of your readings on this ;-)
- p coyle
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-18 11:51 pm (UTC)I don't think I'm doing praying "properly," but I like it as it is.
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-18 11:56 pm (UTC)Gawain
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 03:58 am (UTC)Interesting pair Hermes and AA Raphael. I to pray sometimes to Raphael in a very informal and personal way so as to protect the children that are foxed and all humans from this dreadful experiment. Would you be so kind as to elaborate on your methods of prayer, are they the same for both, do you use a specific prayer(s) and would you care to share them with us, frequency, any rituals enacted with or during the prayers...
Sapienter Si Sincere
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-20 03:04 am (UTC)I offer prayer to Hermes (or Zeus) daily as part of my faith and invoke Raphael daily as part of my magical discipline, in that order, first thing. Prayer is offered with oil or honey, white candle, kerhnips and incense of frankense or storax, facing east. Prayer is best offered concisely and simply. Hermes answers quickly, clearly and unambiguously clearing the mind, healing,guiding and protecting.
Raphael is similar in many ways but quite distinct, with more effect in the subconscious, working methodically at the core of a problem. See The Book of Tobit as a reference.
Both have blessed my mental and physical health through these past months and helped me prosper materially.
For me and my family the deliberate mental abuse, the irrational mass formation and attendant evil directed at humanity has been quite a challenge to our mental health. A clear, confident mind and strong body is essential to solving problems and providing help and so Hermes and Raphael are honored daily.
Gawain
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-21 05:33 am (UTC)Many thanks for answering my question.
You write : and invoke Raphael daily as part of my magical discipline.
Could you elaborate as to what kind of magical discipline, is the invocation part of a banishing ritual (SoP as an example)? How do you perform your invocation etc...
Sapienter Si Sincere
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-21 06:06 pm (UTC)Yes, I invoke Raphael daily as part of my lesser banishing ritual learned from JMGs' Learning Ritual Magic along with Michael, Gabriel and Uriel, Archangels of the four cardinal points and corresponding to the four elements, air, fire, water and earth respectively. Raphael corresponds to the east/air and is the AA/element with which I most readily resonate. Raphael responds well to invocation and/or prayer.
He is also the AA of Tiphareth on the Tree of Life, Beauty, where to my current understanding, the various forces come to balance and find expression in this life.
I find his character described very well in The Book of Tobit, a story of protection, deliverance and restoration which I find analogous to Jungs' individuation, a process that I find myself, and frankly our culture at large, working through right now.
So both Hermes and Raphael work in similar but distinct ways to guide, protect, encourage and heal me and my household through these "interesting" times. Of course, YMMV as we say here frequently.
I hope this is a help on your journey. Godspeed.
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-22 03:16 am (UTC)Your replies are very helpful and appreciated.
Thank's for taking the time to reply it is very generous of you.
Take care,
Sapienter Si Sincere
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 04:29 pm (UTC)If you are interested in (Canonical) Catholic Saints, there is this source here. The ones that stand out, for me, are:
Babies, Infants, Children’s Health – St. Philomena
Heart Disease, Heart Attack – St. John of God
Impossible Causes – St. Jude Thaddeus
Infections – St. Agrippina of Mineo
Lung and Respiratory Problems – St. Bernardine of Siena
Stress, Anxiety, Mental Health – St. Dymphna
Finally, tip hat to
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 12:28 am (UTC)May I suggest Saint Roch? He is the patron saint of pandemics and invalids, and also bachelors and dogs.
This past summer, I ordered a portrait of St. Roch, and it arrived on August 16th, which is his feast day. I promptly hung it on the wall and told my non-Catholic husband that Roch was our new house saint. A few days later, my husband got Covid, likely the Delta variety. Despite living together in a 600 square foot cabin, I didn’t get sick and tested negative. I thank Saint Roch!
He’s a real likable fellow. I recommend getting to know him.
Here’s a picture of the portrait I bought (because the dog looks similar to my own):
https://www.etsy.com/listing/400261765/st-roch-wood-plaque-and-holy-card-gift
Peace!
- Centauri Joan
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 02:26 am (UTC)I also wear masks (double-flannel, or N-95 shop dust masks for higher-risk areas), eat carefully, take a few extra vitamins (D daily, C+Zn on occasion), and keep a cautious distance. My God helps me make safer choices in this world.
Lathechuck
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 05:50 am (UTC)In the Druid Revival pantheon Taranis, the god of Thunder, is also appropriate. The day I started praying to him I was treated with a thunderstorm so he seems responsive to the issue.
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 10:09 am (UTC)Zeus (a lot of people don't know this but one of Zeus' titles is Leader of the Fates), Apollo, Hermes, Athena, Inari-Okamisama, Ami no Uzimi no Mikoto, and many many more.
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 11:46 am (UTC)For those who don’t know the story, Isis’ husband Osiris, the ruler of Egypt, was murdered by their jealous brother Set who had built a luxurious sarcophagus, which he offered to any member of the court who could fit in it perfectly. Only Osiris could, but it was a trap. Set sealed him in the sarcophagus and threw it into the Nile, where Osiris suffocated in the luxury he had found so alluring. Isis searched endlessly until she found Osiris’ body, which an enraged Set then tore into pieces and scattered far and wide. Isis again searched until she had found all the missing pieces of her lost love. Then, calling upon Anubis and Nephthys for help, Isis used her healing gifts to bring Osiris back to life for one night, during which they conceived Horus, creating new life out of death. After vanquishing Set’s lies and chaos, Horus went on to rule with wisdom and balance over a dawning new age.
I have no idea what the best possible outcome for all the dilemmas we’re currently facing would be. But I’m pretty sure that Isis knows and can help with at least a few of them. There are many missing pieces yet to be discovered before something healthy and vibrant can be conceived out of all this death panic. There are many lies and chaos that need to be vanquished before a new age can dawn.
May we all find ourselves so blessed as to retrieve the missing pieces of our lost love, hope, joy, and faith when this inundation of madness finally crests and retreats back between the banks that usually keep it contained. May Isis heal our dismembered souls.
— Christophe
Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 02:17 pm (UTC)Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-19 04:14 pm (UTC)I didn't think it through it consciously, but something made me reach out to her. I think it has to do with the Devouring Mother archetype that Simon Sheridan discussed on his blog. Mother Mary, the good, merciful mother archetype, just felt like a natural ally, I guess.
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Date: 2022-01-19 06:48 pm (UTC)Re: praying about all this
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Date: 2022-01-20 01:36 pm (UTC)Re: praying about all this
Date: 2022-01-20 01:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 09:17 pm (UTC)Meanwhile 3 more cases of strokes, one followed by ovarian cancer, breast cancer, and undiagnosed lung infection. All in the vexed 20 to 65 age group.
Weird cognitive decline in my boosted boss lately where he has literally hallucinated a couple of times in the past few weeks, misinterpreting work in place in a dyslexic kind of way which is not like him at all.
In spite of it all SWMBO and I have become almost serene and more attentive with each other. There is also a sort of fatigue that has set in where most folks avoid the covid/vax topic altogether.
Gawain
(no subject)
Date: 2022-01-18 09:18 pm (UTC)I cannot express enough gratitude for your vigillence and perseverance in this matter.
DC March
Date: 2022-01-18 09:27 pm (UTC)Re: DC March
Date: 2022-01-18 10:12 pm (UTC)https://worldwidedemonstration.com/
They could have coordinated better. Most people won't be in DC, but encouraging these local protests in conjunction could have had a big payoff. I understand though that they probably want to get the biggest turnout in DC for optics purposes. Man I hope they succeed.
I too have been impressed with the videos coming out of Europe lately. Crowds are starting to get to a respectable size! And I'm not one for vendettas, but that video of the official getting pelted with trash, that was something ;)
Re: DC March
Date: 2022-01-19 12:56 am (UTC)Re: DC March
Date: 2022-01-19 04:36 pm (UTC)Protesting feels good, it discharges a lot of pent-up energy, and yes of course the big turn-out shows TPTB and fence-sitters that people care-- but what happens in Washington DC when the protestors go home?
Lots of things, maybe, but from what I've seen, that's when the lobbyists eat their lunch, and yours too.
Take vaxx passports. I say, they need to be made illegal. I suppose one could come up with some exotic scenarios wherein this could happen, but the most obvious one to me is that candidates who care about this have to be elected. Then, legislators who care about this issue have to propose that legislation (tricky, especially for junior members), and then shepherd it through the legislative process (super tricky, requiring many allies and loads of experience) without losing its essence (for sure, like velcro, and not to mix metaphors, said proposed legislation will attract multiple "pork barrels"), and then corral the votes (ye old political horse trading) needed to make it pass.
This is by no means impossible. But... it's way easier to just go march and yell and feel all outraged & energized and sing & clap!
Both are good, don't get me wrong.
But I would say to any US citizen who is considering taking the trouble to go to Washington: Do you happen to know the name and office address of your US representative, your two US Senators, and, by the way, your state representative and state senator? And your mayor? And your city council members? If you don't, look them up-- they're right there on their webpages. You might get quite a bit more mileage than you imagine by protesting to them, or thanking them for their service, directly. Let them know that you're going to Washington for this protest. Let them know what you think, and how you hope they will vote. Let them know that YOU SEE THEM, you are watching what they do, how they vote. And that you know when the next election is, and that you are not going away.
Taupe Cantankerous Hedgehog
Re: DC March
Date: 2022-01-19 06:15 pm (UTC)Re: DC March
Date: 2022-01-19 07:20 pm (UTC)We elected her to the local city council in return.
Re: DC March
Date: 2022-01-19 09:57 pm (UTC)