Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24
Jan. 18th, 2022 12:48 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-20 08:10 pm (UTC)It's very much a "watch and wait" situation at this point. It doesn't appear that Omicron is going to trigger a Red Death type delayed mortality, but it's still early days.
I think that the best model for adverse effects at this point is additive/cumulative toxicity. Think of the spike protein as something like arsenic. If you get infected with Delta you get lots in your lungs, airways, and parts of your brain (based on deer/mouse autopsy studies) for a few days, with much less elsewhere in the body. That can lead to lasting brain fog etc. and an increased risk of various illnesses for some time after. If you get Omicron it seems to stay more in the upper airways. If you get a genetic vaccine your body makes it for some time (a week? maybe sometimes much longer?) and it goes all over: heart, vascular system, vital organs, reproductive tract.
The virus is not harmless, and probably severe infections are worse than vaccination in terms of overall spike dosage. But collectively at this point we've probably put a lot more spike into human bodies through vaccination than the virus has through infection. And it's quite likely cumulative/additive (with the added nonlinear non-toxin-like effects of immune response/tolerance/ autoimmunity). So the shots cause more problems in people who have had the virus. And the virus might trigger more strokes, heart attacks, etc. in people who have had the shots. And now we're giving people four or more shots.
If it is behaving like toxin exposure, like arsenic but if course with a very different mode of action, we could easily see lasting harm and shortened lifespans largely proportional to overall duration and intensity of exposure with of course a lot of individual variation (some people dying after one shot, some people seemingly unaffected by ten of them).
Mark L
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 11:18 am (UTC)I have noticed Dr John Campbell in his videos still talking and despairing about a lack of aspiration with the current intramuscular injections (to check you've not hit a blood vessel). Just adds to the Russian Roulette feel of all this.
Talking of watch and wait...
These airline passengers were quarantining for two weeks and regularly tested in an attempt to get a clear plane load of people. I'm guessing there were few, if any symptoms. Then, supposedly, it turns out more than half were carrying the virus and have now passed it to the local population. Throws up a few questions does this story.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/two-thirds-of-passengers-on-first-flight-to-covid-free-kiribati-diagnosed-with-virus
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 04:05 pm (UTC)It would seem that Omicron has a new trick up its sleeve with regard to ability to hide for long periods. On surfaces? In the respiratory tract at undetectable levels? Dormant in the body somewhere?
The virus has already evaded lockdowns and vaccines. If it can now evade quarantine then we are left with precious few "public health" measures that accomplish anything at all. Kind of like the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Terror"...
Mark L
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 07:40 pm (UTC)Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-21 08:05 pm (UTC)"The human body is the warmest place to hide."
Re: Are we getting settled yet?
Date: 2022-01-22 01:08 pm (UTC)