Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24
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1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2022-01-19 03:32 pm (UTC)https://youtu.be/SmAgFWWXbV4
Boris Johnson - The government will no longer mandate the wearing of face masks anywhere
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Date: 2022-01-19 04:00 pm (UTC)Their focus on digital education, an essential part of the bonkers "Great Reset" plans, is certainly concerning; Alison McDowell has been highlighting this for some years, although unfortunately she has been getting shriller and more paranoid (she recently voiced her suspicions about people who use hexagons as a design feature, as particularly extreme example).
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Date: 2022-01-19 04:28 pm (UTC)Truckers blocking all lanes between Canada and the US. Go team!
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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2022-01-19 05:40 pm (UTC) - ExpandEngland COVID restrictions ending next week (mostly)
Date: 2022-01-19 04:41 pm (UTC)That means basically a return to what we had in November, which is virtually no domestic restrictions except for the travel restrictions and self-isolation after positive test stuff (and even those are being watered down separately).
-No more compulsory masks anywhere in England (although private businesses can require them on private premises)
-No more vaccine passports (they were only in place for large 500+ venues, but will be removed entirely - again, private venues can choose to keep them if they want)
-Working from home guidance to be scrapped and people to be encouraged to go back to the office (in November, pre Omicron, the Pret Index - sales at office food/coffee shop chain Pret a Manger - had returned to 2019 levels before Omicron)
-All venues fully open, no social distancing, no capacity limits nothing like that
-No vaccine mandates (except for social care/care homes and possibly for NHS staff next month but 6% are still unvaccinated and the government may yet blink on the latter)
-Not part of Plan B restrictions, but the government is also watering down a lot of travel restrictions and testing and isolation requirements (if they go ahead with stopping free home lateral flow tests that will make a big difference)
-The mood music in government and the media is changing and a lot of politicians have started to talk about moving on beyond COVID and making it endemic etc.
Still a long way to go, and there may still be mass sackings from hospitals and there are still the travel restrictions etc, plus the demonisation of the unvaccinated continues and ministers are lying about hospital statistics and pushing people to get boosters etc, but at least there's no legal teeth to that and no one cares about it day to day.
Overall much to be happy about today I think. We're going in the right direction.
England is the most free country in Europe by miles I think, especially since Sweden introduced many new restrictions after their change of government.
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Date: 2022-01-19 06:48 pm (UTC)Re: England COVID restrictions ending next week (mostly)
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2022-01-19 11:46 pm (UTC) - ExpandEmployment Opportunities
Date: 2022-01-19 04:53 pm (UTC)Does anyone have thoughts on how to navigate job opportunities with the current required medical opinion of multiple doses of vaccine? I believe officially I'm still vaccinated. I chose to get one dose of j and j in the spring. Ever sense red flags began to appear and knowledge from the forum I'm not interested in anymore. I'm aware of the recent Supreme court ruling. Doesnt a private or even public business still have the right to demand employees be vaccinated unless a religious exemption?I see some banks and Carhart are keeping their vaccine policies. Are state health mandates no longer enforceable?
Curious particularly those in United States who are like me or unvaccinated how you have handled private business requests for vaccine status, job wise, medical, or therapeutic? Are you finding businesses and people open to working with you? Any specific areas of employment where vaccine status is not a problem obviously outside of being self employed? Finding freedom to live in the current narrative seems daunting.
Thanks
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Date: 2022-01-19 07:49 pm (UTC)They have a no jab job board
https://gab.com/groups/49159
https://news.gab.com/2021/08/24/the-no-vax-mandate-job-board/
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Date: 2022-01-19 05:15 pm (UTC)https://www.realnotrare.com/post/timothy-jones-senior-accountant
Timothy Jones, Senior Accountant
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Saskatchewan, Canada
EXCERPT:
"Q: What was your reaction, symptoms, & timeline?
"Within 24 hours I developed the first migraine of my life. Then I slept nearly 24 straight hours. When I awoke, I had digestion troubles and respiratory troubles.
"Q: What is your life like now, after getting the vaccine?
"I haven’t gone a full week without a migraine or respiratory distress. I have developed sleep apnea. It’s hell.
Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-01-19 05:17 pm (UTC)https://www.realnotrare.com/post/carissa-mahkorn-military-personal-trainer
Carissa Mahkorn, Military Personal Trainer
Last Dose of Pfizer on 10/16/21
California
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"Q: What was your life like before you got the vaccine?
Personal trainer, military, extremely healthy. Previous medical record is nonexistent.
Q: What was your reaction, symptoms, & timeline?
Within 1 day
Q: What is your life like now, after getting the vaccine?
Horrible. I cannot work out or over exert myself. I'm tired all the time. I have headaches daily and never had them before. My moods have changed. I had two cycles within 2 weeks. I'm constantly tired. I have memory loss, stuttering and confusion.
Wow! What's the catch?
Date: 2022-01-19 06:04 pm (UTC)Sounds like Boris is dropping almost all emergency measures in the UK. Including passports! Squeeze/release cycle usually ends in being eaten, NOT in being released. What is the catch?
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Date: 2022-01-19 06:15 pm (UTC)The first one has to happen soon, to prevent disenrollment and I've tried arguing things calmly and rationally without hysterics or appealing to non mainstream sources (which they would dismiss).
I dont think they really believe its medically nessesary but the thought of exclusion is a dealbreaker in their mind. They wont countenance homeschool.
I fear they are stuck in the mindset of normalcy and believe things will go back to how they were when they grew up - school, college, career, etc.
I stated my fears regarding long term risks and they said, if what you say is true, and theres mass death/disability, what world is that for them to grow up into?
I'm at a loss and increasingly upset at the unnecessary risks presented at our young child.
What to do?
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Date: 2022-01-19 08:11 pm (UTC)Several amusingly crunchy posts on covid of late, among them:
It's Marathon, Man
https://rudolphrigger.substack.com/p/its-a-marathon-man
I'll Have a Large Dollop of Common Sense with my Swede
https://rudolphrigger.substack.com/p/ill-have-a-large-dollop-of-common
Hello Science, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again
https://rudolphrigger.substack.com/p/hello-science-my-old-friend-ive-come
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Lavender Vitriolic Lorax
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Date: 2022-01-19 08:33 pm (UTC)IM Doc 2021 comments concluded
Date: 2022-01-19 09:09 pm (UTC)The last one (top of page) is having formatting issues that I haven't been able to resolve. I'll try a few more things to see if I can get it to stop having conniptions.
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Date: 2022-01-19 09:57 pm (UTC)https://www.bitchute.com/video/HnPjnamzUHfF/
(Video, in French, of a crowd enthusiastically tossing televisions into a politician's yard over a locked iron gate)
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Date: 2022-01-19 10:00 pm (UTC)Well, no [unDruidly word], Sherlock.
Do They really think we are that stupid? Or are They really that stupid?
—Princess Cutekitten
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Date: 2022-01-20 12:08 am (UTC)Nobody's flying the plane. There never was anyone flying the plane.
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From:Major Flustercuck
Date: 2022-01-20 12:02 am (UTC)This is tangential to the discussion at hand, but relevant (also, I contend that 5G has had its own influence on the pandemic and people's fears). Neither NOAA nor NASA nor the Navy could exert enough influence to slow the tech juggernaut. Nor could FAA nor could the airlines.
I could see this as driven by demons infesting our collective souls, but by flesh and blood humans? (If you can see how they might benefit, let me know.)
It was our collective love of convenience that put half of the world's money into the hands of the companies promoting the 4th Industrial Revolution, which would facilitate and necessitate a Great Reset; and our collective fear of death that put the other half into pharmaceuticals, an open invitation to the unethical to gain power and influence with honeyed words, and now truckloads of money as well. The figurative rats got into the granary. Now we have to plant all over again and hope not too many of us starve.
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Date: 2022-01-20 12:12 am (UTC)First, (more) unbelievable nuttiness from Quebec. This clip is from a popular current events show in Quebec. The female host is the same crazy who interviewed Trudeau just before the election in Canada in September where he let it be known that "anti-vaxxers" were homophobic, racist morons who were too arrogant to protect others. Who says psychopaths don't project.
This link is from Citizen's Free Press but I believe you can also find clips on Bitchute. It's in French with English subtitles.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/canadian-kids-taught-to-hate-the-unvaccinated/
It's like something out of Nazi Germany. This is not totally surprising to Canadians as the more separatist types in that province have always had an affinity for fascism. Trudeau pere (the "official" father of Justin) used to ride around Montreal sporting fascist gear - in 1940! Needless to say, their attitudes did NOT endear them to the majority of Canadian soldiers transiting through Quebec to Halifax to be shipped overseas. There were several nasty incidents.
The second story comes from the National Post (sorry - no link) which is the "very slightly" more sane liberal National newspaper. Apparently, polls show over 25% of Canadians favor jail time for the unvaxxed. I'm not surprised as I've noted on these forums that psychopaths vote for psychopaths and Justin got about 30% of the votes in the September election. Seems about right.
This is what we have to deal with! And to think that some people believe things will go back to "normal" when this plandemic finally ends.
I seriously doubt that.
Liam in Toronto
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Date: 2022-01-20 12:38 am (UTC)https://t.me/chiefnerd/1723
is this a thing in US?
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Date: 2022-01-20 04:55 am (UTC)I've been to a handful of protests, they are a thing. Not huge like Europe yet, but some are of respectable size. Lot's of smaller, less significant ones for now. Fingers crossed for this weekend. Happy to see this happening in Boston. Feels symbolically significant, for Americans anyway. Only thing better would be to have some at Lexington and Concord.
The crickets? Yup, that's a thing too.
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Date: 2022-01-20 01:26 am (UTC)The Last Days of the Covidian Cult - CJ Hopkins
https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-last-days-of-the-covidian-cult
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Date: 2022-01-20 03:49 am (UTC)Ron M
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Date: 2022-01-20 02:31 am (UTC)Starbucks is joining GE in dropping vaccine mandate and testing requirements. Probably wise to limit the lawsuit attack surface to only employees already harmed, and not add any more.
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Date: 2022-01-20 04:52 pm (UTC)This is good news!!!
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Date: 2022-01-20 04:10 am (UTC)Will there be an outcry?
And 25% want jail time for the unvaxxed!
Well,at least it's 'only' 25%! :-)
I just had an uncharitable thought about that
number decreasing.
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Date: 2022-01-20 05:14 pm (UTC)Smug, small-minded and vindictive are the hall-marks of the majority of Canadians although most would rather die than admit it.
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Date: 2022-01-20 09:25 am (UTC)The governments of the world were wrong that Covid was more dangerous than it actually was
The vaccine companies were wrong that the vaccines would work as well as they hoped
The conspiracy theorists were wrong that everyone who took the vaccines was going to die.
I was trying to put myself in the position of PM-Bojo (Boris Johnson) last night and I realised that he has taken the course most of us would have taken when this pandemic started. He passed on decisions to those in scientific positions, they in turn passed on decisions to computer simulations (the religion of technology) and vaccine companies (who were never responsible for any outcome and were looking at making billions) Everyone has passed on responsibility as much as possible (let us not forget that the majority of the population passed on their medical choices to the government/NHS too)
This whole event has made me realise that there is no conspiracy, what some see as conspiracy is simply people trying to constantly wheedle out of making any decisions themselves and pass it on to a bigger authority (Science and technology of course being the "God" of this time)
I've suddenly realised that the world isn't planned. It has plans working within it and people trying to push things they way they want, but there is no "PLAN", it's just all a big mess with people trying to pass the buck so they aren't caught holding the hot potato when the music ends.
~ Bard of Bwyd
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Date: 2022-01-20 04:37 pm (UTC)I think the only reason these became as big as they did was because nobody could figure out why what was obvious to them when disagreeing with the narrative was being completely ignored. If you tell me the sky is green and everyone is going to die next tuesday unless we do exactly what you say, i'm going to look at you like your crazy. But i don't think anyone ever expected the crowd of people around them to also look at you like the crazy person and tell you everything you know to be wrong. Hence if i'm not crazy, and what i'm being told doesn't make any sense, something else must be afoot. The brain, like power, abhors a vacuum and must be filled with something! ;)
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Date: 2022-01-20 12:24 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/StuMP1963/status/1484027665384280069
Sunk Cost Fallacy - the Psychological Dilemma
Date: 2022-01-20 01:03 pm (UTC)My daughter is a nurse, age 40, 2 grandchildren, deeply invested in vaccines in general. She was one of the first to get the vaxx and publish it on FB, and one of the first to get shot 2, shot 3, and to give her kids 2 shots each as soon as they were available and post their pictures proclaiming it. She is practically a poster child nurse for the shots.
To say that she is deeply invested in them is a gross understatement. For her to come to terms with the mounting evidence of the dangers of the vaxxes is to admit to herself that she has taken a dangerously wrong path that has likely damaged her, her daughters and her descendants. Realizing that will be devastating mentally, emotionally, spiritually. We're talking about her entire vocation and identity as nurse and mother going down in flames.
What she and people like her need is a way forward that is as gentle and compassionate as possible. It needs to be one that lets her save face as much as possible, and gives positive ways to deal with her and her family's health.
Our main problem isn't the vaxxes and side effects; it is the psychology of coming to terms with this horrendous dilemma. This is a devastating and explosive psychic situation, and it will take enormous compassion, gentleness and grace to find a path through.
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Date: 2022-01-20 01:53 pm (UTC)Yesterday the director of the Dutch health policy bureau (RIVM) was in a parliamentary committee. He was roasted about his predictions of Omicron who are wildly off the mark and way too negative. People on twitter are mocking the fear porn of his agency left and right.
The Netherlands borders in the east to Germany and to the west to England (on the other side of the Northsea). My sense is that the majority of the Dutch people want to follow England that lifted most restrictions today and not Germany that still has many restrictions in place, ostracises the unvaxxed and has a leader that desperately wants a mandatory vaxx. On the other hand, the Dutch prime minister has an excellent relationship with Klaus Schab and the EU which doesn't bode too well. The new health minister ordered a study by an university about the effects of 2G (a system that excludes unvaxxed) and expected it to be positive. The university came back with a negative advice. That turnaround gives me hope we will more resemble England than Germany. We'll have to wait and see...
Boccaccio
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Date: 2022-01-20 05:13 pm (UTC)Rule of thirds?
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Date: 2022-01-20 03:33 pm (UTC)In the spring of 2024, after a long campaign there remained only, in the whole of Canada, a single individual who hadn’t yet received a Covid vaccine. His name was Bob, and he was a resident of a village in Ontario.
Bob was subject to a great amount of ire from the media and government officials, especially as Covid case numbers continued to rise.
“It is a pandemic of the unvaccinated Bob!” exclaimed Prime Minister Trudeau in a recent press conference. “Health Canada officials trace 109,117 cases to Bob’s movements last Thursday alone”, thundered a recent Globe and Mail headline. A tearful interview with a marketing executive from a high profile Canadian insurance company did the rounds on social media. This executive was very, very worried about Bob’s unvaccinated status - despite her being a resident of British Columbia.
Children got together last fall for the first annual Burn Bob night (inspired by Guy Fawkes night) where the straw figure of Bob was thrown into a bonfire, to cheers from everyone.
A small army of journalists formed a permanent camp around Bob’s property. Of course, they maintained the new social distancing requirements of 7 kilometres, and kept track of Bob with the use of drones.
At first, Bob fought back as best he could from the limits of his property, where he was kept socially isolated. Often with a sense of sarcasm, like the time he erected signs on all four sides of his property, facing outward, that said “Troll Farm: this way”. The media and the public tittered at this almost joyfully.
But as time went on, Bob settled into a routine that eventually didn’t hold much interest for the public. He spent time in his increasingly lush vegetable garden, and he painstakingly fixed up an old battered piano that someone had given him before the pandemic that he never had time to fix before. Commentators eventually complained that keeping track of him was another form of “slow TV”.
One day, a daring journalist got close enough to shout at Bob “Why don’t you get your damn vaccine and just end all of this?” Bob looked up from his book, surprised for a second, then looked back down and replied “Hater’s gonna hate” and kept reading peacefully. The intrepid journalist later went into self-isolation for the required year.
Eventually a new crisis reared its head in the world, and the media shifted its attention to sow divisions and profit from it as best it could. Bob’s neighbours stayed well away from him for a long time, but as Covid faded into the collective memory, and the Burn Bob festival became the Burn Bad People festival, they grew curious.
They wondered at the sound of Chopin’s Raindrop prelude being played rather well from Bob’s land. They noticed an attractive wooden stand on the edge of his property, full of apples, tomatoes, and juicy produce of all kinds, and were surprised at the sign which said “Take some! Just leave me a little change.”
Increasingly, they began to speak to Bob again, who had somehow developed all sorts of useful skills. He was asked to handle some carpentry work, the Lions Club invited him to play the piano at a community event, and gradually their unease faded.
But Bob never said a word to anyone about Covid or the pandemic for the rest of his life. It appeared, strangely for some of his more thoughtful neighbours, that he didn’t seem to need to.
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