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walking through a cemeteryThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.

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Date: 2022-01-19 04:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Would this still apply if what we are seeing is the work of a diety? What if Kek or Jevohah or what have you just gave some evil people enough rope to hang themselves? Or do Gods avoid that kind of behavior?

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Date: 2022-01-19 04:42 am (UTC)
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Oh frack. Okay, so a couple of people have suggested that the point where things started going septic was around June of 2015, around when the Trump campaign started; which, if we take the seven years thing, means that the deal made in June of 2015 ought to have been rewarded with all the success they wanted until February or so of 2020, and will be dragged off stage this June.

Well, if a bunch of people made a bargain for a return of better economic conditions for the working class, then I'd say it worked out exactly as the above description seemed to suggest it would.

This also, concerningly, would suggest that the reason that the demons were able to use Trump so effectively was that he, or at least many in his camp, were under their control, and explain the insane troll logic some of his defenders used.

I wonder if this June will see some sort of major crisis...

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Date: 2022-01-19 07:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Building off of the above: Given how whatever forces are driving things over the past few years seem to enjoy making parallels to the late USSR, I wonder if we'll see the entire thing collapse in much the same way the USSR did. In which case, I wonder if we'll see the equivalent of our 1989 this year; in which case I wonder how it'll play out.

One possibility I see though is that either the Ontario election and/or the French Parliamentary election, both in June gives a major upset; and then the entire Covid narrative will come crashing down, destroying the legitimacy of the Western political/social/economic system altogether as it does so.

I don't know French politics well enough, but if the New Blue Party here in Ontario ends up looking like it has any kind of chance at victory, I'm going to be very, very concerned about what happens next...

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Date: 2022-01-19 01:23 pm (UTC)
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I can already tell ypu that it started way earlier than that...try the summer of 2013-2014 when they started peddling bs social justice really hard in schools, in media, on the internet. Trump just exacerbated everything.

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Date: 2022-01-19 04:45 am (UTC)
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If the Third Reich was an example of people making use of demons, doesn't this suggest that under some circumstances people can last longer than seven years before being dragged offstage?

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Date: 2022-01-19 11:22 am (UTC)
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7 years is rather the upper limit...

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Date: 2022-01-19 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
1) If you assume from the rise of the 3rd Reich (1933) to the final surrender in 1945, you'd be right (about there being no strict seven year requirement) plus you'd have a simple three part separation for how the demonic magic went (1933-37 for preparation, 1937-41 for the execution, and 1941-45 for the exhaustion and collapse).

2) If you assume The Anschluss (March of 1938) as the starting point (and that The Nazis could have backed off and stopped their magic before the Anschluss, though at a cost; this also assumes that once The Anschluss was done what came after couldn't be avoided), you get a rougher separation into thirds but you also get the 7 year span of actual battles (Anschluss to The Battle of Britain, The Blitz to Stalingrad, and El Alamein to May 11, 1945).

– Donald Hargraves

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Date: 2022-01-19 05:27 am (UTC)
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For what it's worth -

I got a text today from a relative in anther state. A devout Latin-mass Catholic, and rather an odd woman in other ways, but that's neither here nor there. The text had a link to a podcast, which I haven't yet listened to, on demonic influences in social media.

Just an odd synchronicity, coming from two very different sources. Demons seem to be "in the air", so to speak.

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Date: 2022-01-19 05:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
I have a very weird synchronistic clock with your blogs. I just started reading The Occult Roots of Nazism yesterday!

Oog. May the Gods save us, may the Gods save us all. This whole thing is proving challenging for me, too many people I love have taken those things with glee. I pray every day for their well-being, talking to them is pointless now, I have no recourse and I have no leverage and as things start to happen it becomes harder. The other day someone I know literally said she felt empty inside and that on her dreams she would feel possessed by a demon and unbearable anxiety unable to scream my name for help. My gut twisted into a knot.

Sigh.

"I must not fear
Fear is the mind killer
Fear is the little death the brings total obliteration
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Fear is failure and the beginning of failure. Therefore be thou without fear. For in the heart of the coward, virtue abideth not; and he that trembleth at the fire and the flood and the shadows of the air hath no part in God."

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Date: 2022-01-19 06:46 am (UTC)
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Literally everyone I know has taken these, and I live in a city with in excess of a 95% vax rate. I've started wondering how I'll cope with this if things turn out as bad as I expect them to, but ultimately I don't see what I can do other than keep going.

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Date: 2022-01-19 06:55 am (UTC)
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There's one bright part to this: if you're right, it means we have passed through most of it. Of course, we'll have to live with the consequences, and the worst is probably ahead of us, but it will end sooner or later, and if you're right, it shouldn't be too much longer.

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Date: 2022-01-20 08:07 am (UTC)
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What does „end“ mean in such a case?

This is a serious question, btw. I‘m fairly new to the concept of demons and keep realising that I have knowledge gaps.

The starting point is fairly clear: people invoke a demon, and things take off from there.

But the end… is there a clear „end point“? Do we all just wake up one morning, after 7 (or X) years, demons are gone, birds are tweeting and everybody is their usual self again?

Or is there no clearly defined „end“, with demons making the most of some people for years to come - and these people, potentially, being so confused and tormented that they might wreak havoc around them?

I‘m strictly asking about the demonic part here, btw. I know fully well that the societal and other consequences of all this will keep us busy for years to come, as you quite rightly said.

But just looking at the demon hypothesis, at old lore about it, and at previous examples like the third reich: how and in which way does something like that end?

Milkyway

PS: Being German, of course I know how the third reich ended. But I can‘t recall anybody discussing an occult dimension to it, let alone on how that dimension ended. Clearly, I haven‘t been reading the interesting stuff… ;-)

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Date: 2022-01-19 10:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jruss
I know a good many members of the magical resistance (many using Harry Potter imagery because of course they are) summoned demons to end the Trump administration. Might that have something to do with it?

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Date: 2022-01-19 11:19 am (UTC)
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So the demonic hypothesis is still holding and now is back, glad you updated us.

Thanks for the news. Thanks for the open forum.

Keep up the good work!

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Date: 2022-01-19 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the detailed explanation!

I don‘t like that at all, alas. If that would be the case, is there anything that could be done to influence things in a positive way?

I‘m not particularly religious, so not sure if prayer is a valid option for me. Anything else you could suggest? (Apart from getting myself and my immediate family prepared for any weird thing and any fallout that might happen, of course.)

And: are there any good sources/books about the malefic magic aspects of the third reich? Somebody below mentioned The Occult Roots of Nazism - anything else you could or other people can recommend? (German sources would also be fine, in case somebody knows any.)

Milkyway

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Date: 2022-01-19 02:14 pm (UTC)
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"thinking here especially, but not only, of the rise and fall of the Third Reich"

Heh, back when I was an undergrad taking a course about WWII, I wrote an essay about the Nazis and in the feedback my prof gave me a one-line, "drop the occult stuff". I was like, why, it's the most interesting part of the whole thing!

-Bofur

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Date: 2022-01-19 06:25 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for this post JMG. Grateful to hear an update and further details on your mental model of what's going on.

A question for you, if I might. I ask this in the context of knowing that an important rule of magic ends with "and to shut the @$!% up", so I'm not interested in specifics. That said, have you been aware of any resistance to this malefic magic? I hesitate to use the word resistance any more, as it feels a bit tainted now. Anything along the lines of Dion Fortune during WW2?

If your answer is "loose lips sink ships" I completely understand, and will step backwards quietly.

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Date: 2022-01-19 08:29 pm (UTC)
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Could be a collective archtype; an equivalent to Wotan but of chinese origin ?

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Date: 2022-01-20 03:07 am (UTC)
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Thank you John Michael, I feel grateful for your astute observation. Here are a couple of echos from Illinois; feels like TPTB have upped the ante in these parts.
Illinois:
On January 7, 2022, the Illinois Department of Labor (IDOL) filed peremptory rules adopting the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (OSHA) COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS). IDOL will require all state and local public employers in Illinois to comply with ETS sections (d)-(l). IDOL’s peremptory rules do not apply to private businesses.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/illinois-adopts-new-public-employer-rules-federal-osha-s-covid-19-ets
. peremptory - not open to appeal or challenge; final.

City of Chicago, effective January 12, 2022
. paragraph one of the public health order " Governor of Illinois affirmed that a local government body may enact provisions that are stricter than those in the Executive Order;"
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/health-orders.html

Beth on the prairie

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Date: 2022-01-20 05:37 am (UTC)
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JMG,

Here's an odd thought I've had, and I'd like to know if you think it plausible, but I've seen a few people dating things earlier than Trump, and had a rather concerning thought: given just how many people were invested in the idea of the world changing in 2012, and the way that a number of people noticed that things started getting worse in 2013, is it possible that the initial deal with demons asked them to change things? A few years later we get Brexit (major change), Trump (ditto), Trudeau elected in Canada promising major changes; etc.

I've noticed that many of the focal points of Wokesterism and TDS were the same circles which were most dominated by the 2012 phenomena, which would seem to fit...

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Date: 2022-01-21 08:25 pm (UTC)
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This is of course also assuming that the vaccine push is the main goal the demons have. I wouldn't be surprised to see the reversing course being the complete collapse of the Covid narrative in the months ahead, with new and different crises coming over the next couple years, ending with the narratives which justify the US government's legitimacy completely imploding...
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