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She was wavering at first but she is now firmly on team no thank you. I hope you and your loved ones don't have any problems from the vaccine. My parents, aunts, and uncle all got the vaccine, as well as most of my childhood friends, so I am sincerely hoping for the best for all of us, vaxxed or unvaxxed.

From: (Anonymous)

Vaccine worked out good for me. I asked a spirit I had been communing with since long before Covid for protection and and opportunity to get a one dose vaccine come out of the blue. Long lines for vaccines everywhere, I was in and out in three minutes. I've been to four funerals because of Covid, should have been to a couple more but my mobility has been somewhat limited by an injury. Currently two close childhood friends of mine who are unvaccinated lay dying in a ventilator. A local hospital in a town of less than 30K had nine deaths from Covid in one day.

About 70% of the people I know have been vaccinated and really haven't run into issues beyond a vague discomfort for up to a couple of weeks and its going on 10 months and longer since some of them have been vaccinated. I've been bracing for vaxpocalpyse for some time now but am now doubting it will come at all. I think the forseen health crisis may take form in job loss and the unvaccinated having to pay hospital costs out of pocket, which began around when the pfizer vaccine became FDA approved. Add on top of that hospitals going broke because they can't get enough payment on their Covid bills to stay solvent.

rabtter

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I'm sorry about your losses. I've known so many people who have had covid and fully recovered from it, including myself, that I am unable to be afraid of it at all. I think everyone should do what they think is best as free people, and if being vaccinated worked for you then I'm happy for you.

Edited Date: 2021-09-14 11:20 pm (UTC)

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candace_k

Pfizer isn’t FDA approved. Comirnity was conditionally approved and Pfizer got an extension of the EUA

At least that’s the last I read

From: (Anonymous)

But despite being "legally distinct", they are "chemically identical". The entire thing makes my head hurt...

From: (Anonymous)

Yup.

What both of you said.

Here's the letter to Pfizer informing them their stuff is still under EUA:

1) https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

And here are the letters to BioNTech giving them the happy news:

2) https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download
3) https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

The relevant parts of Letter # 1 are:
Page 2, first, second and third paragraphs, and Footnote 8
Page 5, Footnote 9

So to recap, the FDA, which is a USA organization, approved the flavor of shot made by BioNTech, a European company, which distributes it in Europe; and left the flavor made by Pfizer, a US company, to continue under the EUA, NOT approved. But BioNTech's flavor is allowed to fly under the EUA also.

:P

- Cicada Grove

From: (Anonymous)

Its a branding thing. Comimity was the name tacked onto it when it was approved.

rabtter

From: (Anonymous)

But has this ever been done before?

From: (Anonymous)

All the time. Branding is an industry whose practioners manufacture demand. As for the vaccine FDA describes it thus,

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals."

Doses for booster and those under the age of 16 still fall under the EUA.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

rabtter

From: (Anonymous)

And I should of wrote ages 12-15 fall under the EUA instead of under 16, 12-15 is under 16 but so is 0-11 which is outside the EUA.

rabtter

From: (Anonymous)

Interesting.

I have been wondering lately if the health crisis may be from some other direction. For the record, I got the J&J; mostly as a result of peer pressure. Aside from a slight fever for a few hours; no negative side effects yet. That was back in April. I did not really want to get it; but I am in a sort-of tenuous living situation. My opinion on the virus-that-shall-not-be-named is rather middle-of-the-road. I see a lot of fear and disinformation all over the place. That said, I would not have gotten the vaccination if I did not live with my elderly parents that have immune issues.

The main thing I have been wondering about is if there just might be an overall increase in deaths. Along the lines of what happened after the Soviet Union collapsed. Increasing suicides, alcoholism, etc. Plus, there are so many more homeless living exposed to the elements.

In my area the death rate has been slowly increasing for the last twenty years; possibly more. I just began tracking the data for births and deaths. Since 2009 there have been more deaths than births, the last 10 years has seen the death rate really start to climb. We are getting enough immigration that our population is staying pretty stable. Will be interesting to see how deaths compare, this year. So far it looks like we are on track to meet or exceed last year's deaths.

From: (Anonymous)

Something I've been wondering about deaths. Those in the know last year said to look for 'excess deaths' being reported in the data to determine if covid was a legit concern, or if it was just a strong flu masquerading as a real pandemic. Sure enough, excess deaths did appear, by a noticeable amount. I figured, huh, it's a thing, and mentally moved on. Now, having spent a bit more time meditating on it, how would we know if that bump in deaths weren't deaths of despair instead? A la something like what happened in the fall of the Soviet Union. Overdose deaths, suicides, alcohol related, and so on.

From: (Anonymous)

One solution would be to figure out how much excess suicide, drug, alcohol, etc. related deaths occurred, and subtract them from the excess death rates and see what happens. This data is very hard to find, but frankly it looked to me as someone who works in a hospital that those played a much larger role than Covid.

From: (Anonymous)

That is certainly a possibility through famine, social disorder, emotional and educational decline and acedia, and that leaving aside war or civil war, which frankly at this point is no longer a remote possibility:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210818122731/https://ranprieur.com/archives/045.html#famine

Famine is a demographic event. The definition of famine is significant excess mortality associated with a decline in the availability of food, regardless of cause of death. If you and your family starve to death, it's not famine because there aren't that many of you. If everyone in your town runs out of food, breaks into Costco, and are mowed down by machine-gun wielding rent-a-cops, that is actually famine.

Infectious disease (often related to diarrhea and respiratory illness) kills more people than actual starvation.

The indicators of famine are weird. Colonial India developed a set of famine codes that watched for, among other things, sudden increases in prices of food, or sudden increases in petty crime, or sudden decreases in the cost of commercial sex.

Stockpiles and famine foods aren't as helpful as you think. I always assumed that if you had a year's food in your basement, or knew which weeds and bugs were edible, you'd make it through a famine. Turns out, everybody figures this stuff out at about the same time, and the dying doesn't start until the stockpiles and rabbit warrens are exhausted.

The best survival technique is to leave the area. Usually the first to go are the middle class professionals whose assets are their credentials and experience. The poor may lack the means to relocate, and the wealthy tend to have significant investments in non-mobile assets (land, businesses, factories).

Famines in industrial market economies are political or conflict-related. In general, the world has a robust and finely-tuned famine relief industry. The notorious famines of the 20th century (Leningrad, Ethiopia, Sudan) have all been war famines. You are unlikely to ever experience a famine unless you are trapped behind armed fighters.

Opportunistic cannibalism (eating dead people) is common. Predatory cannibalism (killing people to eat them) is really, really rare.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160310150127/http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2014/09/02/dying-russians/

Sometime in 1993, after several trips to Russia, I noticed something bizarre and disturbing: people kept dying. I was used to losing friends to AIDS in the United States, but this was different. People in Russia were dying suddenly and violently, and their own friends and colleagues did not find these deaths shocking. Upon arriving in Moscow I called a friend with whom I had become close over the course of a year. “Vadim is no more,” said his father, who picked up the phone. “He drowned.” I showed up for a meeting with a newspaper reporter to have the receptionist say, “But he is dead, don’t you know?” I didn’t. I’d seen the man a week earlier; he was thirty and apparently healthy. The receptionist seemed to think I was being dense. “A helicopter accident,” she finally said, in a tone that seemed to indicate I had no business being surprised.

The deaths kept piling up. People—men and women—were falling, or perhaps jumping, off trains and out of windows; asphyxiating in country houses with faulty wood stoves or in apartments with jammed front-door locks; getting hit by cars that sped through quiet courtyards or plowed down groups of people on a sidewalk; drowning as a result of diving drunk into a lake or ignoring sea-storm warnings or for no apparent reason; poisoning themselves with too much alcohol, counterfeit alcohol, alcohol substitutes, or drugs; and, finally, dropping dead at absurdly early ages from heart attacks and strokes.

Back in the United States after a trip to Russia, I cried on a friend’s shoulder. I was finding all this death not simply painful but impossible to process. “It’s not like there is a war on,” I said.

There is this book called THE HEALTH OF NATIONS True Causes of Sickness and Well-Being. By Leonard A. Sagan

I am extracting here a bit from Lynn Margulis review of it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180106211925/http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/29/books/the-importance-of-being-affectionate.html?pagewanted=print

He develops a global concept of health that is largely cognitive and emotional and sees education as perhaps the single most important determinant of good health. He lists psychological characteristics of healthy people, all of which depend on developing ''life-skills'' during the first year of life. Healthy people enjoy high levels of self-esteem and a lack of self-indulgence, commitment to goals beyond their own personal welfare, a strong sense of community and a concern with health, especially the health of children. Entering easily into trusting, strong, lasting emotional relationships (including marriage), healthy people enjoy companionship but are not at all uncomfortable when left alone. Furthermore, ''healthy people pursue education for reasons other than the skills that education provides; to understand and find meaning is a basic human need.''

Also acedia was discussed here in the previous comments
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18213833#cmt18213833

From: (Anonymous)

Thank you for sharing this, I found it to be very interesting reading.

I think in these times a lot of people just die, manifested one way or another, of a broken heart. The covid lockdowns broke a lot of hearts. It takes a strong heart right now-- a very strong heart to stay open. I speak of the metaphysical heart.

From: (Anonymous)

Yeah the demographic cliff is a real thing too. Just a lot of older people in the world. (Boomers) and that’s going to mean more deaths. That’s to add to your list of suicides, alcoholism and homelessness, not to supplant it. All those are issues too.

JMG somewhere had said something like 2 to 3 more funerals per year would add up to a significant population decrease without having to be an apocalypse.

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rabbter, I'm sorry for the suffering and loss of you and yours. That the existence of so many conflicting narratives makes some cling all the more strongly to one version (not saying that's you, at all!) exacerbates the suffering by driving wedges between so many of us. I'm glad some people, including you) are being guided to make good choices for themselves and I hope more can come to realize that the complexity of it all shouldn't drive us to answers that are too simple that they can't fit the stories of those with other experiences.

Be well.

From: (Anonymous)

Around here, the loss of sense of smell would be somewhat of a blessing! The darn skunks are awful this year.

Your story made me wonder: are there any provisions to help those with no sense of smell detect a gas leak? Does there exist an alarm that’s triggered, like a smoke alarm? If there ever really is a serious Covid epidemic, or if we’ve already had one that’s been concealed by fudged statistics, many thousands could be unable to smell a gas leak.

—Lady Cutekitten

From: (Anonymous)

Lady Cutekitten,

Indeed! I had a stinker at my house this morning.

It's easy to find smoke detectors that also detect carbon monoxide. You can get them online, or have them installed by an electrician.

Chris in VT

From: (Anonymous)

We have a carbon monoxide detector. I was wondering about something that detects leaking gas that can blow up your house.

Some years ago, I was visiting parents when there was a weird loud thud outside and Dad immediately ordered everyone to the basement. That thud turned out to be the sound of a non-Hollywood explosion. At the end of the street a house was burning, giving off clouds of black smoke for hours. There had been a gas explosion.

From: (Anonymous)

Yes. We have inexpensive carbon monoxide alarms on both floors of our house because my cookstove is propane gas. They're are about the same size as your standard home smoke alarm and we bought them at the big orange home store for roughly the same cost as the smoke alarms. There are also more elaborate alarms to buy online for either propane or natural gas if you're looking for something more substantial.

Beekeeper in Vermont

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methylethyl

Yes, gas leak detectors do exist! I want to get my parents one-- Dad has no sense of smell, and I can't count the number of times he's almost blown up the house with our gas stove...

From: (Anonymous)

Yup.

Two people at one of my part-time jobs have recently gotten sick.

The first one was an employee who refused the vaccine and was getting tested regularly. The response from the boss to the news was a disdainful "I can't say I'm surprised".

Now a vaccinated employee is sick with covid. The response from the boss was of course total shock - "but she's vaccinated!!"

From:

One of the ladies at my GF's workplace who was pressured into getting the shot is also apparently having serious menstrual issues that she never had before. She's one of the ones with Covid now, although her case is mild.

From: (Anonymous)

Thanks again JMG.

The pressure is mounting from all sides, and right now, it appears that hospitalizations are mainly among the unvaccinated, which is hardening the case proponents have been making to get vaccinated.

It also appears that a lot of news contrary to this narrative is ignored or downplayed. For example, that natural immunity from getting Covid is more effective than vaccine-based immunity.

I know that there are a few cracks forming in the vaccine narrative, but are any of them widening?

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ecosophia

Well, The Atlantic just ran a major article discussing the way that coronavirus case numbers have been inflated. That looks like widening to me.

From: (Anonymous)

I wonder how long before the whole thing falls apart...

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ecosophia

If my basic hypothesis is correct, it won't fall apart until the death rate from ADE or other vaccine-related causes becomes impossible for the corporate media to suppress, or for governments to ignore.

From: (Anonymous)

The rate things are going, I think we'll be there by the end of the year...

From: (Anonymous)

Off topic, but I've held a grudge against The Atlantic ever since seeing this on a newstand:

https://www.metalmother.com/we-will-never-run-out-of-oil

The article in question was about an upcoming experimental attempt to mine hydrocarbons from the ocean floor. The experiment failed pretty quickly because of sand filing the holes they were digging,

From: (Anonymous)

It looks hospitalization numbers for both unvaccinated and vaccinated patients have been inflated, according to that article: 57% of vaccinated patients, in the cited study, had minor symptoms, while 45% of unvaccinated patients were in hospital but with minor Covid symptoms.

I then wondered why people were in the hospital if it wasn't Covid, and in a link in the Atlantic I found some info about the first study of the children's hospital cited in the same Atlantic article:

"The reasons for hospital admission for these “unlikely” patients included surgeries, cancer treatment, a psychiatric episode, urologic issues, and various infections such as cellulitis, among other diagnoses."

I noticed also some spin at the bottom which stated that people in hospitals who had minor Covid symptoms meant that the vaccines are working, yet it ignored that just about half of unvaccinated people in hospitals ALSO had minor Covid symptoms.

From: (Anonymous)

FWIW, the IM Doc reported today admitting to the hospital 3 vaxxed and 5 unvaxxed. I fully expect that within a month or two it'll be at par with vaccination rate or maybe even "cross-over" to a greater percentage of vaxxed than the vaccination rate. They'll do all they ca to suppress this, I am sure.

Maxxy

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gullindagan

David Holmgren, one of the co-originators of permaculture, has come out with an essay on Covid and vaccines that I find quite refreshing, so I wanted to share it with all of you fine folks, of course, he doesn't think it's demons, but I wouldn't expect him to:

https://holmgren.com.au/writing/pandemic-brooding/

"As a healthy 66-year-old I am not personally afraid of the virus, but if greater virulence and death rate do emerge with new variants, I might consider the preventative regimen recommended by the FLCCA doctors. There is no way I will be getting any of the current vaccines in the foreseeable future, no matter what the sanctions and demonisation of my position on this matter. "

Edited Date: 2021-09-14 04:01 pm (UTC)

From:

ecosophia

Clear, cogent, and thoughtful as usual. Thanks for this!

From: (Anonymous)

Wow, an impassioned attempt to encourage acceptance of all perspectives and acceptance across divides.

I'm not what I think of his argument that we should encourage continued belief in Progress because the faith provides needed comfort and security for its adherents, but it has some truth and it is very rare for someone to not only accept opposing views but to accept that the opposing views might actually be the best option for those who hold them.

Mark L

From: (Anonymous)

Thank you so much for this! Very heartening to read. I've always enjoyed Holmgren and his level headedness.

I am glad in the last part he brought up "Valuing the Marginal". That permaculture phrase has been on my mind the past few weeks, with this here forum, and those marginalized for their views in general.

Thanks again.

Know Brainer

From: (Anonymous)

One other thing that has been on my mind too is how the vaccine is being promoted as The One True Way. This was what turned me off from my parent's church growing up as I started to question things. How could they be the One True Denomination, even within Christianity, which itself, was the One True Religion. This has been something that has been on my mind here, and shows how other commenters here and our host have noted, that this is religion. It's the religion of science and of progress, and to true believers, it is the One True Way.

Know Brainer

From: (Anonymous)

I'm with you on this matter.

If we were being told honestly that the vaccines work to reduce severe illness, but that like anything else they have potential risks and side effects and like everything else require a risk-benefit analysis, here are accurate, age and co-morbidity adjusted risk factors of serious disease vs. risk of vaccine, here's the truth about what we do or don't know about waning immunity from vaccines, etc., it would be one thing. I still might not want the vaccine based on my own personal cost-benefit analysis, but I would certainly be willing to at least consider it.

Under the circumstances, though, I will not even consider it. This deceitful, zealous, manipulative, fear-based, mass-hysteria propaganda campaign is to me a giant red flag. This isn't medicine - it's religion. Of the cult variety.

From: (Anonymous)

Exactly this. Don’t call me unscientific because I want to do a cost benefit analysis.

From: (Anonymous)

Ironically, asking for the data and questioning authority is a major element of how science is supposed to work...

From: (Anonymous)

I picked this up years ago, the original iteration was from Dan Inosanto talking about not just many paths but many mountains.

I like to refer to it as “A way, not THE way.”

This immediately lifted so much pressure off of me for conformance and following the narratives and arguing whether Baptists or Catholics or Pentecostals or Buddhists or Hindus were right.

I also like “The One True Way! tm.”

Anytime someone says “This is the only way!” Just add tm. It immediately takes a lot of the stress out.

I’m particularly distressed by scientism. That’s science as a religion. Mostly because that’s not what science is about. An analogy made here of Neil DeGrasse Tyson as the current high priest, and something similar in Dark Age America hit particularly hard. I can’t unsee it.
“When everyone is finally an atheist and agrees there is no God and science is supreme then we can finally have a Utopia!” Says Richard Dawkins. What about the Soviet Union? Weren’t they officially atheist? Did they have any issues with human rights?
The problem is that many atheists forget the next logical step, if it isn’t the Gods causing all this hate and misery because “they don’t exist” then the only logical answer is it’s us. It’s us. A violent species of hominid orbiting through the cold space does this stuff to each other. And that’s not at all likely to go away depending on your views on faith.

I’m very hurt by this because one of our best methods for finding out answers (at least in this plane) is being turned into something so dogmatic.

From: (Anonymous)

JMG and everyone here. Thanks so much for this space. These have been really weird times and this space is helping me keep my head on straight.

JMG Do you think your basic hypothesis has been strengthened or changed in the last 6 weeks? Also do you think your demonic hypothesis has been weakened or changed in the last few weeks

Thanks from Minnesota
Will O

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ecosophia

My basic hypothesis still appears to be holding up tolerably well. We seem to be early in Stage Ten of the trajectory, with breakthrough infections becoming increasingly common and the behavior of the political classes becoming increasingly erratic.

As for the speculation on demonic involvement, I haven't seen any more evidence either way. The things that led me to suggest it were, first, the weird experience many people seem to have had of seductive voices urging them to go get the vaccines, and second, the apparent messing with the results of divination. My speculation traced that to one possible source. We'll see whether any further evidence emerges one way or the other.

From: (Anonymous)

a) Do you have advice on how to get rid of those voices? (I've started banishing using the CGD LBRP, regular cold showers, and when they appear try to block them, but so far no luck getting rid of them)

b) How much can demons mess with divination results?

From:

ecosophia

I don't have answers for these questions yet. We're in a situaiton in which experimentation is crucial.

From: (Anonymous)

One other issue I see is that if this basic hypothesis is correct, we're still not just dealing with demons. We're also dealing with the mess they produced through their influence on things like the Magic Resistance: it's entirely possible their ability to directly muck with divinations is rather limited, but that they have people doing workings designed to muck with divination and that that's where the effect comes from. Likewise, the intrusive voices could also just be coming from magical attacks, in at least some cases; it's quite hard to tell for sure what's happening here, and so I think it's best to handle it on a case by case basis.

From: (Anonymous)

Isn't propaganda, when it catches the public, some sort of mantra for summoning secular demonic forces...

From: (Anonymous)

One of the interesting things would be to determine what the differences are between unvaccinated folks who do hear those voices and unvaccinated folks who do not.

BoysMom

From: (Anonymous)

Yes I never heard seductive voices urging me to get jabbed. But then I don't watch TV and do the SOP regularly.

BTW social media (which gets blamed for a lot) was a great help. There is a strong alternative community online which was suspicious of the jabs from Day One. The memes were excellent and far better than anything the pro-vaxxers did but then again the Left can't meme. It was good to have some laughs at such a serious time.

From: (Anonymous)

This morning Twisted Sister’s “We’re not gonna take it!” Started playing on the radio and I burst out laughing.

It’s simply too perfect. It’s now my official anthem for this time.

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hearthspirit

That's hilarious, a friend of mine sent me a picture of a Twisted Sister record album saying "I found this, and you like records, do you want it?" and I had to politely decline while not taking offense on the comment on my taste. I guess I was prematurely snobby about the resurgent cool potential of glam/hair rock.

Naturally, I will send the picture to my friend who once got their logo tattooed on her thigh with her sister because they were drunk and didn't know it was a band. Just to be a good friend and rub in the consequences of bad choices taken while under the influence, haha.

From: (Anonymous)

Here's my data point:

- My only internet is our esteemed host's websites, coronavirus data sites such as San Diego County and UK Health Service, and occasional "fun" sites like learning about horsehair furniture.
- No "social" media.
- No TV.
- A "red amulet" from JMG's Magic Monday FAQ (there's a link to it in every Magic Monday), which I wear or have within a couple feet of me constantly
- Cell phone always kept away from me, either across the living room or in another room (never on my person)
- A walk nearly every day up the street, past lots of trees, bushes and lawns.

- No voices suggesting I should get the shot.

- Cicada Grove

From: (Anonymous)

I'm unvaccinated and have yet to hear any voices or feel any interest in being vaxxed. I've been keeping up with the Covid news as best I can, but to be honest, living in a very rural area on a small farm with lots of elbow room and more work to do than time, I haven't really been impacted by the whole virus thing beyond the annoyance of masking in stores back when that was required.

Beekeeper in Vermont

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seasidehermit

No voices here either, just a general sense of heightened dread. I'm not a part of the PMC/TDS crowd, I limit my online activities and pay no attention to mainstream media. I also have an extreme distrust of the medical industry rooted in childhood trauma, I avoid doctors as a matter of course and would be hard pressed to go get a vaccine even if it wasn't experimental and I was in actual danger. The particular tone the establishment has decided to take with all this, talking to the public like we're children and they're your self appointed guardian who knows better and can therefore give themselves permission to ignore your will for your own good, is one I'm too intimately familiar with, and I won't be dragged down road again.

It's possible all that baggage is too much to get through?

From: (Anonymous)

I feel something like dread too, an uneasiness in my gut and not just about Covid itself, but also about what the Covid Industrial Complex™ is doing to the country and society. It's like waiting for the other shoe to fall.

Beekeeper in Vermont

From: (Anonymous)

Me too.

I've been suffering from a sense of dread for some months now. I have never experienced anything like this before. I too am chronically worried and uneasy and waiting for the other shoe to fall.

From: (Anonymous)

I also do not watch tv.

I do social media, but it's carefully currated, and I think I've spent between two and five hours a week since January 20th talking folks off the suicide ledge. (This Administration has a lot to answer for, what with the threats, Afghanistan, and general running their mouths.) Time well spent, and I'm not the only one in my social groups doing this, but dang, it's exhausting. No, killing yourself will not fix your job/business/relationship problems, and how do you think that will help your kids/cats/dogs anyway, nor does the idiotic method of withdrawal mean your blood and your buddies' lives were wasted, thank you for your service and don't you dare quit, soldier! We need you more than ever now.

I also spend a lot of time explaining How To Home School these days.

Much of my social groups, online and off, are very You Do You and I'll Do Me sorts. Of course, home schoolers are heavily pre-disposed to independence . . . er, ornery sheer pigheadedness. Or something like that.
My church has just re-opened, and they and the Society for Creative Anachronism are probably the two most conformist groups in my personal sphere.

There's a meme running around of two ladies holding hands, back towards the photographer, one wearing a placard that says "I'm unvaccinated and for choice" the other saying "I'm vaccinated and for choice." These are my people. My closest friend, my brother-in-all-but-biology, is vaccinated, and we've agreed to disagree. My siblings-in-law and their families are largely anti-vax, and the one who did get vaccinated promptly got a nasty but just below hospitilization worthy case, and no-way-no-how are their kids getting that. Not that their daddy would have stood for it: turns out immigrant PMC minorities have the same general suspicions about government medical programs as native born working and welfare minorities do. Funny, that history of eugenics coming back to bite.

I do the Christian Banishing, I pray very often: lots of folks want prayer, and God knows I need a hand with all this.

Unusually, my home is framed in steel, not stick-built. They say iron repels fairies, well, and our internet is very unreliable, so who knows?

I have not heard any of these voices. I have, however, heard my God's voice several times, though not recently. (Which is a good thing, I did mention sheer pigheadedness, didn't I? Hammer has not been required to get my attention lately.)

BoysMom

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methylethyl

Unvaxxed, religious, no TV and no streaming video capacity, have no desire to get the shot, and have heard nothing of the sort.

From: (Anonymous)

Likewise, and likewise!

Sonkitten does watch some TV—local weather, Jeopardy, and the Roseanneless Roseanne rehash, but he understood when I explained about 4 years or so being needed to see if there are unexpected side effects, and he is willing to wait.

—Lady Cutekitten

From: (Anonymous)

I suspect in my case it's magical attack: I only get this when dealing with my mother. I am going to fully cut her out of my life shortly; there's a small number of practicalities to take care of first though.

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violetcabra

This is an excellent question, BoysMom, but looking over the responses it seems that more or less only people who've not heard the sinister voices have responded. I think that this is a situation where people feel ashamed if they'd heard the voices, because that implies that they are more open to demons. This, one could argue, might imply either some moral failing or spiritual defect. To now admit to hearing those voices given the hypothesis is to potentially admit to some measure of vulnerability, of weakness, of incompetence, or the like.

Since I've already publicly shared I did indeed hear the voices many reported and they dissuaded me mote than anything else, I can likewise report:

* I watch no television.
* I watch no video.
* I practice a daily banishing ritual.
* I do a large amount of daily protective and blessing natural magic.
* I have an active religious life.
* I meditate on sacred texts.

Something that I do have, though, is a tendency towards telepathy which has been verified countless times. I'm also somewhat emotionally oriented. I wonder then how much of sensing the voices that many have reported is in the nature of developed inner senses? My psychism has proven profoundly painful before, and it's something I can turn off about as easily as my sense of smell.

From: (Anonymous)

Oh, that makes very good sense, Violet. Indeed, I personally have very little sense of telepathy at all, and my inner senses naturally run on the visual lines.

If there's some sort of inner ear plugs, then, it'll be up to those who can hear to find them, and nothing so simple as 'move to a house framed in iron' or, hopefully, so very expensive as that would be.

My hope was simply that comparing the folks plagued by these to those not, the folks plagued could figure out why and perhaps how to shush them. Certainly not any sort of moral or ethical judgement.

My sincere appologies to anyone who felt criticized, judged, or anything else negative.

BoysMom

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violetcabra

Thank you for the kind words, BoysMom. To be clear on my end no apology is needed and no offense taken. I think it's an excellent question you asked, and a clearly good intent behind it. Re: shushing the voices, Florida Water Cologne has proven very helpful on my end for that purpose.

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inavalon

One experiment you could try is to completely disconnect from the internet as much as possible.

As JMG recently mentioned, the electronic structure of the internet is perfectly suited to being messed with by demonic forces. What exactly is being transmitted and received?

It seems logical to suggest that the more time one spends interacting via internet, the more one is vulnerable to hearing these troublesome voices.

I realize that many useful and informative forums (like this one) are also on the internet, so there's a bit of a conundrum there. I too am trying to break the addiction, but it isn't easy.

From: (Anonymous)

If LBRP won't get rid of them explore the notion that they are on the same team as Raphael, Gabriel, Michael and Uriel.

rabtter

From: (Anonymous)

One, the person you're speaking to is using the CGD version, which does not invoke the archangels, and two, judging from the post, it sounds like they just started doing it. The LBRP in the hands of a beginner, won't clear things away overnight...

From:

In my admittedly subjective experience, that's not the case.

From: (Anonymous)

a) Do you have advice on how to get rid of those voices?

Try wearing a turban or some other head covering, preferably one of white cloth. I was taught by a Sikh that hairs are psychic antennae, and leaving them uncovered can invite other people’s thoughts into your head. I know a couple of women who said they psychic powers left them when they started wearing their hair short, which would seem to confirm the antenna thesis.

From: (Anonymous)

Silk will provide additional psycic insulation

PLK

From: (Anonymous)

Interestingly, one of the links provided in David Holmgren’s blog entry (referred to above) is a video of Dr. Peter McCulloch stating how most medical doctors are operating in a ‘trance’ (and he’s not speaking metaphorically).

https://www.bitchute.com/embed/BxME0RDJ61S9/

The question is whether the propaganda machine is powerful enough to put the doctors into a trance; of course, demons is also a perfectly viable alternative explanation. Whatever the source, I fear that when the medical doctors wake up from the trance a great many of them will not be able to live with themselves as having been willing participants in the worst crime against humanity known to our species.

From: (Anonymous)

I think threatening them with deregistration is probably enough to put them in a trance. Difficult to persuade someone of something when their salary depends on them believing the opposite.

From: (Anonymous)

I've seen mention in the Ecosophia forum of doctors losing licenses for advising patients responsibly about vaccination, particularly in Canada. Do you (or anybody else) have any links that would confirm this?

From: (Anonymous)

This is from the USA not Canada but seems relevant to your question:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/13/american-medical-bureaucracy-including-ama-increase-threats-against-doctors-who-do-not-comply-with-forced-vaccination-position/

From:

brendhelm

The trick, of course, is that delicensing would just compound any doctor/nurse shortages that already exist, and create them where they don't, meaning medical treatment of all kinds would become scarcer.

From:

methylethyl

...which the media will then use as "evidence" of the severity of the pandemic-- because the hospitals are overwhelmed!

From: (Anonymous)

Thank you. I actually wanted USA evidence, too. It's just that I've heard more about it actually happening in Canada, but haven't seen any actual confirmation that it happens there.

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emmanuelg

Here are a couple of links to articles about Canadian Physicians being threatened with loss of licensure over their non-standard COVID positions. It looks like mostly the very outspoken doctors are being targeted, mostly stern warnings;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489

https://globalnews.ca/news/7676791/ontario-doctor-covid-19-misinformation/

From: (Anonymous)

Thank you!

From: (Anonymous)

Pertaining to the trance idea, I just listed to a podcast that discusses this in depth.

The Covid Narrative is Mass Hypnosis
https://iono.fm/e/1095885

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emilyknapstad

You should look at this

https://m.facebook.com/110047718058030/posts/117910867271715/?d=n

Some news agency went phishing for covid deaths stories they got death stories alright but vaccine related ones . They got ripped to shreds . Thousands of comments by people whose family members either died or ended up crippled so far its mostly middle aged and old people . But they are pushing vaccines to teens and children 12 and older and planning to approve for seven and older . I think we are at combination of both 10th and 11th stage . I am waiting for some poor kid to die and angry mother to rant on TikTok/ social media to set the powder keg off..

From: (Anonymous)

Starfish corn, anyone?

(It's a reference to a plot device in Retrotopia: the civil war which destroyed the US was set off by an angry mob tearing a GMO company executive apart when he stood up to say that their corn, which had a gene from a starfish spliced into it, couldn't possibly be causing the wave of birth defects which were occurring.)

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escorcher

We're still just mostly getting the (now) regular drip drip drip of 'save the vaccine hesitant' stories: e.g. this today from The Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/14/the-virus-is-painfully-real-vaccine-hesitant-people-are-dying-and-their-loved-ones-want-the-world-to-listen

From: (Anonymous)

I saw that, too. Nowhere did it touch on statistics about how many people in the age groups it mentions actually die of Covid. Versus, say, car accidents.

From: (Anonymous)

its cherry picked story with no open comments, go to any place where the comments are open and barely moderated like facebook or twitter they get ripped to shreds this was the most obvious example something like 100 000 comments on that place people basically tarring and feathering the news organization for trying to to cherry pick a story while ignoring the bigger story ie vaccine injuries .

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claire_58

Hi JMG, since reading your demon hypothesis I've had a couple of strange things pop up. Data points or confirmation bias or synchronicities?
The first happened within a few days of your post. It is from a local art group's daily drawing challenge. I had been participating and dropped it because late summer/fall is a busy time in the kitchen and garden. I still get occasionally get images other people have contributed showing up on my news feed. This one was a classic image of Satan with the caption "Even the devil puts his best foot forward 50% of the time". I looked up the topic for that day. It was "Putting your best foot forward".
Shortly after a facebook site I don't usually see popped up (because an acquaintance of mine had commented) with a meme that said "This is why I love the Satanic Temple" and an article about how they have stepped up in the fight for reproductive rights in Texas. The re-poster's comment was "Thoughts? Hail Satan?" to which I responded "No! we can stand for reproductive rights without resorting to evil". My comment was widely derided and I was informed by a few commenters that no one really believes in Satan. I also tried a comment about the seductiveness of evil to my acquaintance who seemed quite taken with the whole thing. She had responded favourably to the precepts of the Satanic Temple but I was dismissed as hopelessly naive.

I have also talked to a few people who've finally got the vaccine 'because, what the heck?' or 'thought I might as well' . . .

Not sure what to make of this. I find it a quite frightening confirmation of the idea that non-believers are the easiest influenced.

From: (Anonymous)

Those idiots are going to get women thrown back into the Stone Age.
Wow.

- Cicada Grove

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methylethyl

I've been thinking the same thing, when I see modern teen culture. I feel that pendulum has swung about as far as it can go, and if it swings back with similar momentum... (shudders)

I *like* being able to own property and go out in public without a chaperone.

From: (Anonymous)

Although not someone that I ever see referenced here,and his perspectives are often quite,um,radical...

David Icke has been vehemently opposed to the vaccines since the beginning. This week he addressed the widespread reports of "voices in the head"...

https://davidicke.com/2021/09/10/words-in-your-head-how-they-are-telling-you-to-get-the-vaccine-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast/

And then last Friday, James Howard Kunstler described the affect of various official talking heads:

"Is it, perhaps, that they just don’t believe the bullshit they are serving up to anxious viewers anymore? Or is it something even darker? That would be my guess. Next thing you know, their heads will start rotating 360 degrees, projectile vomiting pea soup at the cameras."

That sounds a lot like he is endorsing demonic possession...

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/then-what-2/

Things are getting interesting.

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ecosophia

When people talk about "talking heads" in this context I keep on thinking of "the Head" in C.S. Lewis' novel That Hideous Strength...

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jpc2

I usually think of Max Headroom!

John - Coop Janitor

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robertmathiesen

About three weeks ago I said I thought there was already technology capable of putting ideas like "Oh, just get the vaccination; it'll be alright" into people's heads, so I was glad to see David Icke cite some chapters and verses on it just now. Anyway, since I commented last, I've been rummaging in a desultory way through US patents for such technology, and have already found a few of them:

#6,017,302 to Hendricus G. Loos in 1997: "Subliminal Acoustic Manipulation of Nervous Systems."

#6,470,214 to James P. O'Loughlin and Diana L. Loree (assigned to the Air Force) in 2002: "Method and Device for Implementing the Radio Frequency Hearing Effect."

#6,587,729 to James P. O'Loughlin and Diana L. Loree (assigned to the Air Force) in 2003: "Apparatus for Audibly Communicating Speech Using the Radio Frequency Effect."

If my inexpert searching turned up three such patents in just an hour or two, there are probably dozens, maybe even hundreds, of them in the files already. Clearly, it's a technology that bears careful watching.

Edited Date: 2021-09-14 11:52 pm (UTC)

From: (Anonymous)

Yes, good points here. I grew up without tv and was suspicious of it into my twenties, although I married a tv owner and we have one in the house. I remember doing a lot of reading up back in the day that video input is very easy to use for subliminal manipulation. My impression from that reading was that it was only a gentlemen's agreement that stopped it being frankly used for manipulation from the earliest days of tv. I have been told by people who grew up behind the Iron Curtain that the Soviet nomeklatura had developed such conditioning to a fine art pre Berlin Wall.

I think we can date the era when the advertisers stopped paying millions to make tv adverts as the date when that agreement broke down and now I do my best to avoid any video input unless I know the source and am fairly sure it is not being used by a hostile agent. I did watch some of HRH Prince Philip's funeral.

Still, I do get exposed to some of this kind of manipulation from time to time, I can tell this because of meditation, I have been training my mind for a short time, still in first year of regular practice, but it seems this already gives me the ability to see the 'push' left in my mind when I have been exposed to some video media that has a hidden message. It shows up as a kind of 'pushing sensation' in my mind when I am doing my mental review of the day before going to sleep. I think both social media, which is basically an AI which exactly tunes itself to each person's weak spots and impulses, and video media with hostile subliminal manipulation by many potential agents including the usual nation states, are both big forces for evil in today's world, and that both of those play into the craziness around the pandemic.

Vermilion Farcical Beaver

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emmanuelg

Vermilion B, I can second that perception;
A couple of years ago, I got a Kindle Fire tablet to let me read e-books and listen to audiobooks. I find that I can't use it. It seems to have a mental presence that tries to drag you mentally one way or another-- With concentration I am able to force myself to sign into an eBook, but it is not worth the effort. This is a completely different experience than the original kindle reader (still have it), which feels passive, like a toaster or other appliance.
Also--Why is the Kindle Fire so insistent that I play "candy crush" or other time-wasting games? I suspect that there is a component in them designed to program the user in some way...
I may try reading an eBook and listening to an audiobook on it, and then the same file on a more stupid device to see if I perceive any difference in the media. This could indicate whether the unwanted effects are in the media or in the device. I suspect the device.

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methylethyl

I have a kindle paperwhite (an antique!) in order to read public domain books from Project Gutenberg, and have never had this problem.

But then, you couldn't pay me to own the full-color illuminated screen version. Stories like this make me feel a lot better about my inability to read long text on regular screens. Maybe it is protective!

From: (Anonymous)

I hope they haven’t stopped making the Paperwhite, mine’s about 8 years old and when it dies I’ll want another, and I don’t want a color tablet.

—Lady Cutekitten

From: (Anonymous)

Kunstler endorsing demonic possession?!?!

Um, (gently), probably not...

From: (Anonymous)

Wouldn't malevolent magic on the part of the Magic Resistance also be a possible source of both of these? Creating the sense of "Oh, I'll get the vaccine and it'll be fine" and messing with divination both seem to me to be within the realm of possibility for well aimed malevolent magic, without demonic involvement...

From: (Anonymous)

It couldn't be so much persistent without help, magic has an expiration date, even Trumpers got help from KEK a popular magical deity IMO and still it was not that long into effect. The duration and the scope and the way it transforms people looks like is not ordinary magic

From: (Anonymous)

I wonder, given in traditional lore that demons are unable to actually harm us but can only scare us, if demonic activity would imply that we'll move very quickly from stage 10 with its punitive public policy to stage 11, with everyone suddenly aware of the dangers of the vaccines and the pressure to vaccinate collapsing accordingly.

It's been noted before that the more people involved, the more fixed things are and the less free will exists. Assuming this also applies to demonic activity, then they can use their dupes to murder individuals, but the larger their target, the more constrained they are: and at a large enough scale, it's possible that they'd be constrained by the usual rules when dealing with demons: they can scare you, but they can't harm you.

Obviously this can't be true in an overly simplistic sense, because there are people who have already lost their jobs, but I wonder if it holds in a larger, more general sense: this would explain the over the top blustering from the White House, for example, if the demons already know they cannot actually implement the policies, they might as well push for the most extreme version possible.

It would also explain the job shortage as well: if you're fired right now, this is a very good time to be job hunting, so the level of harm is reduced. It's also worth noting that most of the people losing their jobs have been concentrated in areas saturated with TDS and corona panic; which implies that the demonic forces have already built a major beachhead there, and so would be able to affect people using a pawn with a more intimate connection; and that most of them also had jobs which would have gone away shortly anyway (thus reducing the harm).

Hmm....

From: (Anonymous)

And that would make sense why the red states are fighting hard. Because Christianity/Christian culture in flyover country. They’d be less inclined to call on the demons in the first place, more likely to use the traditional forms we’re talking about I.e. prayer and hymns/hymnals, and thus more protected.

This is not a value judgement, traditional polytheistic religions make more sense to me personally.

However being one of the formerly deep blue angry atheists, many people have a chip on their shoulder about Christianity, which is fine but turning to other Gods is just a much better idea than to demons.

It’s the twin unhelpful binaries of Christianity or Scientism. That then becomes God or devils. “The enemy if my enemy is my friend.” It’s the difference between atheist and anti-theist.

From: (Anonymous)

Gordon White in his latest podcast also talks about demonic possession due to the refusal to confront death and dreamtime or acknowledge the forces in the world

https://thegodabovegod.com/apocalypse-gnosis-modern-magic-the-return-of-dreamtime/

From: (Anonymous)

It's strange, but I’ve felt a similar thing. No demons or voices, but a decision out of the blue to just get the vax popped into my head along with a sense of pleasurable relief and relaxation (a wight off my shoulders – wow, I just noticed that Freudian slip, and it was a genuine slip that I picked up on re-reading before posting, but I think I should leave it given the context) at that 'decision'.

Here are my thoughts on the matter and where I've landed since:

I thought it was odd at the time, but on considering the matter some more I fell easily enough back into my previous position of rejecting this particular vax, for this particular illness, at this particular time.

I remain unvaxxed, and I'm not planning on it either. I don't know for sure which way to go, so I figure I'll wait and see what happens.

The cold-blooded, lizard-brained, rationalist in me is happy racing to be second after waiting a while longer to see what happens. And the hot-blooded recalcitrant in me is happy to simply refuse to obey in the meantime, and to die as a consequence of that decision if that proves necessary or if God/chance wills it.

Why? Well, to be honest, I simply don't like this ‘machine’ that we live in, and I like it less and less all the time. Plus, I simply don't trust the mentality of the cohort of people that created this virus and their ‘solution’ for it. In fact, I really don't like them either come to think of it. I’d have to think very seriously about dying just to spite them rather than take their 'medicine' if it came to that.

Clearly there is a lot of pressure though from the 'powers that be' and society to conform, so it makes sense to me that people will experience a sensation of peace/relief through surrender to that power.

I'm a recalcitrant though. Surrender isn't something I tend to do easily. For better or worse, I guess whatever is happening isn’t strong enough to overcome my nature.

So that's my take on it. On the spiritual side of things, I'm sure demons are at play, as they always are. In the mundane world that I mostly inhabit, the demons are real, and I'm not listening to them either.

From: (Anonymous)

I'm rereading your old posts, and came across one I think relevant, in light of the demonic influence hypothesis: "Bah Humbug", which can be found here. https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/7335.html

This was prompted by a weird observation you had (which I also remember having, and several commenters also noted), that the old Christian Christmas songs suddenly vanished, and in their wake was even worse holiday glurge than the usual. I remember in the Christmas season of 2017 wondering where all the old Christmas music had went; and you also noticed it as well. I had no clue what to make of it at the time, but it makes sense in light of this hypothesis: religious music is a traditional way of dealing with demons, and so of course the demons (who had a substantial influence over the managerial class by this time) would have wanted to get rid of that threat to them....

From: (Anonymous)

It's weird just how many odd and otherwise baffling data points from the period since November 2016 seem to make sense in light of this hypothesis. I really don't want it to be right, but there's so many things it explains....

From: (Anonymous)

This is happening in a small midwestern city of approximately 14000 people. There is a significant surge in the number of sick individuals calling out of school and long waits at the local hospital.

https://www.kniakrls.com/2021/09/14/pella-school-absences-remain-above-6-percent-long-wait-times-at-pella-regional/

According to the article the majority of those getting sick are unvaccinated, although it does not give their age. It does say that those who are vaccinated and getting sick are generally over 50.

It seems like this data is represented of the larger, global trends. So let me ask this question. Suppose ADE and AOS is actually happening. As far as I understand it this means we should expect two things,

1) A decrease in the effectiveness of the vaccine after an initial boost to immunity
2) Covid 19 should keep micro evolving so that it is less lethal but more transmissible to the unvaccinated

It looks like number 1 is happening but not number 2. Why is that? What am I missing?

From: (Anonymous)

ADE and/or OAS will show up as worse disease outcomes among vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people, which we are not currently seeing.

What we are seeing at this point is improved disease outcomes in vaccinated people coupled with a loss of vaccine immunity against infection and a strong uptick in cases in high-vax areas.

To me this is best explained by immune tolerance being induced by the genetic vaccines.

Mark L

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ecosophia

That assumes that (a) we're getting accurate figures concerning what percentage of Covid cases are unvaxxed, and (b) that cases of ADE are being identified as Covid at all. I'm far from sure we can count on these (See Tunesmyth's post below for evidence that the latter may not be happening).

From: (Anonymous)

That's a good point.

At this point as possible contributing factors to vaccine harm we have:

--Acute and delayed adverse reactions to the shots (spike protein toxicity).

--Suppression of the innate immune system leading to increased severity of both covid and other infections (i.e. tolerance).

--Immune training to produce only one type of antibody with subsequent failure to adapt to new variants (OAS).

--Non-neutralizing antibodies directly increasing viral infectiousness as a result of waning immunity or viral mutation (ADE).

The trouble with using ADE as a catch-all is that it has a high likelihood of being technically wrong (or at least unprovable) and so it will be called out as false by the narrative managers.

We need a more general term for the phenomenon of vaccine-associated harm/death.

Mark L

From:

inavalon

"We need a more general term for the phenomenon of vaccine-associated harm/death."

I have seen VEI (vaccine enchanced illness) being used for this.

From: (Anonymous)

Mark L I believe this is what Robert Malone has been referring to as VEI or VED, vaccine enhanced infection or vaccine enhanced disease. he has specifically stated there are other mechanisms than ADE, per se.

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open_space

Oh this is fun.

How about immune and mental weirding, you know the same thing we are doing to the weather systems but in the microcosm instead of the outside world. Somehow this seems oddly appropriate for our age. Thing just stop making sense and there is a whole disconnect form everything and they just get weird.

Oh I got it, I think we should call it arreptia from the Latin arreptitius which means seized, possessed, raving mad and delirious. We can have two classes, both immunological arreptia and mental arreptia. If someone is completely taken over it would be panarreptia. If it ends up being caused by demons it could be panarreptia demoniaca

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methylethyl

Pandemonium = demons all over the place.

There's got to be a way to make it all one word: pandemonarreptia?

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open_space

I like it. If I were to be an occult doctor I would start the early draft to be publish on an alternative medicine journal. It would be titled:

21st Century Pandemonium: a comparative study of panarreptia, mass psychosis and self inflicted illness in the age of decline. A modern approach to sin and its repercussions on human health and well-being

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Oh my, I just realized that the beginning of the mainstream switch to "we need to discuss death WITH with covid as being different from death FROM covid" will simply further the vaccination campaign as they will then say "death WITH vaccine is NOT death FROM vaccine." It'll be like 4-layers of obfuscation at that point. :(

From:

I mean, I know they're already saying that, but it'll be set by precedent at that point.

From:

ahriman

With regards to data quality: US data (I know, repeating myself) is poor. It helps if you get a better source, like English data. This is especially important if you want to get a signal as soon as possible.

With regards to ADE: It might take time to appear - if at all. Either from a mutation that is still to appear, from another coronavirus like OC43 - but which is still out-of-season or out-competed. Or even another type of virus.

At the end there is a tension here between short term analysis (and vaccines seem to be useful in the short term) and long term consequences. It simply might take time for some theory to be proven right.

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michaeliangray

This is the big issue we will have. I doubt we will ever get accurate figures this side of the decade.

It is too much of a data rat-king nowadays to make heads or tails (heh!) of it all. I suspect it is part by design, part by incompetence.

From:

ahriman

I think there might be a simpler explanation (see comment to the above): loss of antibody titers without long term memory being formed.

Note that immune tolerance can still be possible - but I think that will be seen, maybe, in the boosters.

From: (Anonymous)

Agreed.

The fact that we seem to be seeing *increased* transmission (beyond that expected by waning immunity alone) along with continued protection against immune-overreaction-mediated severe disease causes me to lean toward the tolerance hypothesis, but I realize I am in the minority at the moment with that perspective.

Mark L

From: (Anonymous)

What I’m seeing is increasing cases among the vaccinated but I can’t honestly say that I’ve seen any evidence of ADE yet; and believe me I’m watching carefully. The unvaccinated people I’ve seen are still much sicker overall and far more often needing high flow cannulas and Bipap. Still have yet to see a covid patient intubated and on a ventilator in the ED. I

Interestingly, about 10% of the currently hospitalized covid patients where I’m at aren’t hospitalized for covid, they’re hospitalized for other problems but just tested positive.

So that’s the latest from the front lines. In a few weeks I’ll be moving to a different state on the other side of the country, so I’ll see how things are going there.

Brother Josephus

From: (Anonymous)

The vaccine doesn't have to get less lethal if the vaccinations suppress the symptoms. It can get as lethal as it likes without inconveniencing its hosts, and then it can escape the vaccines later.

From:

ahriman

No.

The 2 things you are mentioning are independent from ADE/AOS.

1. Decrease in effectiveness can be caused for other reasons. I am not an immunologist, but you can simply be losing short term immunity without having gained memory.
2. Number 2 is expected and seems to be happening. Look at reliable data (say English data). In any case it is not dependent on ADE/OAS - its evolutionary biology - vaccines or not.

From: (Anonymous)

I highly recommend this article from Karl Denninger: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243548

Although this cannot be conclusively determined to be an ADE or OAS event, it is illustrative of what it would look like, a sudden and quick crash in the condition of the patient. It might be buried in the comments following the article but Denninger says he has contacts at hospitals all over the country and is hearing more and more anecdotal stories of this nature.

From: (Anonymous)

Came across this today. A Dr. in Israel:

"HUGE statement by doctor in #Israel, discussing the different reactions to #Covid19:

“The unvaccinated have a shorter illness and often less severe, while the vaccinated have a lengthier infection, that goes on and on, and is more severe.”

https://twitter.com/FreedomIsrael_/status/1437968859135348738

From: (Anonymous)

That's in conflict with Brother Josephus' report here, but it's important because Israel is the global bellwether here. They vaccinated a majority of citizens 3 months ahead of the US and the rest of the world, so what they're seeing now is what we'll be seeing later this fall.

It's clear to me at this point that the vaccines do provide their recipients with a better covid outlook for 4-5 months due to high antibody levels, but if my tolerance hypothesis is correct - or if ADE/OAS starts to kick in with waning immunity and viral evolution - it is entirely possible that vaccine efficacy could go negative after that point.

Mark L

From: (Anonymous)

"It does say that those who are vaccinated and getting sick are generally over 50."

The age thing could be an artifact of waning immunity and vaccine timing. People over 50 were more likely to get vaccinated earlier, so if waning immunity is a problem, we'd see it first mostly in older people.

From: (Anonymous)

Alright I'm officially sick of worrying. Time for some sort of plan. It would obviously depend on goals, reverse mandates or buy time? According to our host the narrative is already beginning to crack, so perhaps time is all we need.

To my mind we all have A LOT of scientifically valid questions that have been met with Ad Hominem attacks. Not right here of course thanks to our host.

I've got two things in mind, one is a series of questions. These questions are meant to possibly before copying and pasting and/or mailing out to relevant organizations. Everyone here has helped shaped this in my mind. I really do hope it helps.

The other is traditional tools of union organizations. I.E. Strikes, slow downs, sit ins, walk outs. Please feel free to add to and edit these as well.
Though business that have the 100 employees and are against the mandates might think of splitting the corporations to be under the 100 person mark. I work/worked for a variety of companies that are actually several different companies owned by a holding company. "Wholly owned subsidiary."

So now that my hackles are up I'm trying to gather questions feel free to add your own or edit mine to be less confrontational.

1. What’s the status of instituting testing for the vaccinated due to breakthrough infections? It seems if we are going to worry about a flu this much we should be equally worried and perhaps more so about the vaccinated that are getting infections. After all wouldn’t that imply that the virus is adapting to the protections and is likely to overrun it?

2. Further being as the Delta variant is significantly less lethal, at what point are we going to admit the virus has evolved into a cold/flu like disease? Normal viral evolution tends towards more infectious but less lethal, so we might expect the same with further variants.

3. My family has already had COVID. When will you start doing antibody testing on those exposed who have a demonstrated natural immunity/resistance which is more effective than these “leaky" vaccines?

4. What legal protections are being afforded to the vaccinated? I.E. Regarding the known side effects of TIA, Enlarged Hearts, ADE, the odd interactions it is having with some woman and their reproductive systems, i.e. spontaneous abortions, and weird alterations in their normal cycles? How about the sudden deaths due to vaccination, probably but not always related to the TIA and Enlarged hearts showing up as heart attacks and strokes?

5. It seems like a massive red flag, scientifically speaking, that the control group for these vaccines was vaccinated. Wouldn’t that imply that we would have no idea what the side effects might be? Or at the very least it would seem to eliminate the scientific oversight of side effects. (Thanks Brother Josephus)

6. Why are we running the PCR tests at such a high cycle rate that we are virtually guaranteed to get false positives?

7. How are we addressing what is essentially a bait and switch due to the FDA approving a DIFFERENT vaccine than the one that is currently given?

8. If masks were going to work don’t you think they would’ve done so by now? How long are we going to keep this up?

9. Are we going to go back to having to eat outside in tents? How is it scientific that you CAN get COVID IN a restaurant but you CAN’T get COVID in a tent outside of the same restaurant?

10. When are you going to be addressing criticisms of Fauci being involved in funding the gain of function research from the Wuhan Labs?

11. When are you going to be addressing criticisms of Fauci experiencing direct financial gain from these experimental vaccines?

12. When can we admit that experimental vaccines are not guaranteed to work, as indeed is in the literature from the vaccines?

13. When are we going to start panicking about the actual leading causes of death in America? I.E. Heart Disease, and Diabetes. If this was about saving lives wouldn’t it make sense to start with the demonstrated highest causes of death?

14. What are you going to do when you have staff reductions due to medical professionals refusing to get vaccinated? How about utility employees? What about average city employees? We are already in the midst of a labor shortage. Does it make sense to eliminate/limit essential services in a time like this?

15. Tell me when will any of these questions be answered scientifically and not just with ad hominem attacks like “anti-vaxxer” or “conspiracy theorist?”

Union tools/slogans. In my mind there is a powerful image of nurses/doctors in scrubs on strike, they are right outside the hospital/across the street wherever is legal and the sign says "Government won’t let us help."

The rest of these are early idea slogans and some of them are politically aimed at the president. If you are Pro-Biden and anti-mandate I do want you on our side, I have no doubt that you are following your heart politically and I do not wish to throw stones at you.

We would love to help but the government won’t let us

Government won’t let us help.

We were ESSENTIAL when this started. We still are.

Still ESSENTIAL.

How Much REVENUE do you want to lose?

NEITHER of us is making money right now.

Boycott until No Mandates

Is your wallet hurting yet?

Biden would rather you die than get the flu

Abandoning you like he did Afghanistan

Had enough? Vote populist.

Abandoned by the ACLU

Follow the science, not the scientist.

Follow the money not the science.

Science shouldn’t be a religion

My Body My Choice works both ways

Refuse to be a GMO (thanks Erika)

I identify as employed

I identify as essential

I identify as free

Columbia protect us

Uncle Sam wants you! To stand up for Freedom

How many defaults til the stock market crashes?

The point is we the people are not powerless here. Minimum estimates of 20%-30% of the population with some saying it's probably much higher. Here I'm thinking of the one shotters. I really do want this to be all are welcome, but was being deliberately inflammatory. If you got the vaccine and are against the mandates you are welcome.

From: (Anonymous)

An excellent list of very relevant questions, none of which have been answered to my satisfaction by those running this show. I have made a list like this in my head over the months, but have not written it down. I feel like I have lost more questions like these over time than I currently have in my head, and I still have a lot rolling around in there.

From: (Anonymous)

Yes thank you for all these, I need to save them all - periodically many have Sprung up in my mind. But then the haze begins and we are in this bizzare reality which is getting old

From: (Anonymous)

Well, I don't have a lot to say today, but I thought I'd share a little something from my inbox this week.

I recently received an alumni email communication from a class representative at my (woke, liberal, elite) alma mater, which, as usual, contained the normal pleasantries and platitudes expected from such things.

But this struck me:
"One thing I feel hopeful about? That we’re starting a new decade in this moment of the “Great Reset”. It’s an opportunity to think about transforming our individual lives and society’s systems and structures, trying to make sure we reset and come back to something better than what we left."

I don't know why this kind of creeped me out, but it did. I guess the elite are not just on board, but gung-ho for a "Great Reset"? Whatever that means? What does that mean, to people like this, I wonder? (Remember, this is an alumni missive - so they tend to stick to things that are perceived as non-controversial to the audience, since they want to keep alumni "engaged" so they'll donate money.)

Or maybe I'm just reading to much into an email, who knows.

From: (Anonymous)

The interesting part is that during a lot of revolutions they tend to go after the intellectuals. So good luck to the college I suppose. If they aren't aware of our hosts comparisons of the Great Reset and Stalinism, I'm reasonably sure they are also unaware of the great purges.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

From: (Anonymous)

Well, the fact that those who are in favor of such a thing are openly speaking of TGR as opposed to saying, "Nah, that's just a conspiracy-theory of the Deplorable-crowd" would seem to indicate some sort of inflection point has been reached. Especially if where it was mentioned was something that strives to be a noncontroversial periodic missive.

From: (Anonymous)

OP here -

Yes, I was thinking the same thing!

The Great Reset conspiracy is....now something the woke elite mention in chatty, "non-controversial" alumni emails??

To be fair, this same source (a "class correspondent" officially assigned by the university to be the "liaison" between the class mass-mailings and the alumni office) sent around a rant in November 2020 about how we must all work together to save the world from Trump (canvass! vote! get others to vote!) and nobody seemed to bat an eye. As I recall, it ended with a "if you think this is inappropriate or overly political then you can take over being class correspondent!" line. The next email celebrated "victory" and thanked "everyone" for being so "supportive" of the last email. (Presumably those of us who thought it was overly political and a totally inappropriate use of alumni correspondence channels also thought it wasn't worth trying to argue with zealots and just hit the "delete" button. I'm guessing we're the ones who don't donate money, either.)

I will say, though - one benefit of having gone to a very elite school is that the alumni missives really help one to keep up with what the elite are thinking. Right now, my most recent data point is that they appear to be eagerly awaiting some sort of "Great Reset."

From: (Anonymous)

I spoke with a friend recently who pointed out that the systems that have been in place for decades don't seem to be working any more, and they weren't sure how we would all continue without some change in large scale arrangements. This wasn't someone who spent a great deal of time thinking about international relations, bretton woods, treaties, and the like. If your average person can see this, I suspect whether one is for or against the narrative and goals of the great reset, it's hard to argue that large changes of some sort aren't baked into the system already. It's just a matter of who controls the narrative and shapes those changes to their purposes, and how soon they happen (or how long they can be held off).

From: (Anonymous)

I'm also seeing this here in Canada. I'm certainly not part of any elite but I have a few acquaintances who are connected to the movers and shakers. These people are true believers who are utterly convinced that this Great Reset is the ONLY way forward and is the ONLY way their cherished laundry list of THINGS THAT MUST BE DONE TO SAVE THE WORLD can be accomplished. I find the arrogance of it all quite breathtaking. However, no one on the outside should be tempted to dismiss this as "conspiracy theory" or "liberal/leftist moon-battery". This is a sincerely and passionately held belief amongst this class. And they have the money and power to make it happen. I fail to understand those who still label such ideas as "conspiracy theories" when almost every "conspiracy theory" in recent years has been shown to be factual (or have a basis in fact). You cannot fight toxic ideas if you refuse to believe that they exist.

From: (Anonymous)

I would just mention again the people are not without power. And no that doesn’t mean all of us need to join hands and sing by all “That’s a long wait on a train don’t come.”
It does mean these people aren’t in complete control.
They can’t afford to lose too many or they’d actually have to work for a living.

Some quotes that might help are in
“The sinews of war are not gold, but good soldiers; for gold alone will not procure good soldiers, but good soldiers will always procure gold.”
— Niccolò Machiavelli Discourses
http://www.online-literature.com/machiavelli/titus-livius/71/

“The rich build their own prisons.”
Sepp Holzer a picture through the fence at a mansion.

And paraphrasing Dune “He stays locked up in his tower while you are free to go where you will.”

From:

weilong

These days... Yesterday's conspiracy theory is tomorrow's approved official narrative. And "we will absolutely, never do x in this country" means "we are planning to implement x in about four months."

From: (Anonymous)

This is what's been the weirdest of the last year and a half: just how quickly things go from "deranged conspiracy theories" to "obviously necessary"...

From: (Anonymous)

Seconded. And with absolutely no recognition on the part of the people applying adjectives like 'deranged'. It would be funny if it wasn't so terrifying.

From:

That strikes me as very creepy and matches the assumption that vaccine passports will morph into social credit passports to give us access to goods and services which will doled out based on good behavior.

From: (Anonymous)

All the more reason to be self-sufficient! There's no vaccine required to DIY!

From: (Anonymous)

If you want to see how deep the academic world is into the Great Reset (and the accompanying investment trends - it IS all about impoverishing the 99.9% and making out like a bandit), follow Julianne Romanello on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/julianne.romanello.9

From: (Anonymous)

Currently I'm (40 unvaccinated but recovered from Covid in Jan) looking after my mother (75 vaccinated) and my brother (45 vaccinated) who have both come down with a bad case of Covid over the last 5 days. Doesn't seem to be life threatening at the moment thankfully. I have developed a chesty cough that is similar in strength to a weak summer cold and hoping it won't develop any further.

I find it interesting that both my Mum and Bro haven't had covid over the last 18 months but now we are having a peak here in the uk with more people vaccinated it would seem many are coming down with it. Certainly more people in my small rural area and within my circle of acquaintances (all vaccinated) seem to have been afflicted with covid in the last month than the previous 18 months combined. I shall keep you all informed of the situation as it progress'

~ Bard of Bwyd

From: (Anonymous)

May your family recover quickly.

From: (Anonymous)

Thankyou for the kind words.

~ Bard of Bwyd

From:

ecosophia

I'd like to ask a favor of the biomedically literate. I have two questions about the coronavirus situation for which I am having trouble finding hard answers, and I'd be grateful for anyone who can point me to reputable sources for either one.

First, if in fact the vaccines cause excess deaths through ADE or any other mechanism, we can expect that information to be kept out of broadcast and social media. One place in which it might show up, however, is in changes in crude death rates. An anomalous rise in deaths might have many causes, of course, but it could provide advance warning of the crisis phase. Can anyone point me to good and frequently updated sources for crude death rates for nations that have had high rates of vaccination?

Second, has anyone actually run tests to see how long the vaccine-generated spike proteins remain detectable in the bloodstream of the vaccinated? I've seen a great deal of handwaving on all sides, brandishing around theoretical claims of various kinds, but evidence from actual blood tests of vaccinated persons are another matter. Since the spike protein causes blood clotting, knowing how long it can be detected in the bloodstream of the vaccinated is important for gauging what problems to look for in the population.

Many thanks for your help!

From:

escorcher

This links to excess mortality in percentage terms from several year average. You can chose which countries to compare. Raw data reliability is variable I suspect, as is how up to date it is - looks pretty good for more developed countries though e.g. UK figures only 3 weeks or so behind the current date: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=BRA~ECU~PRY~NIC~COL

From:

ahriman

Excess mortality in England:

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

You will need to dedicate some time to understand it - the charts are not very intuitive.

Also, consider... the US for mortality
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Provisional-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-S/muzy-jte6

You will need to give it a few weeks of lag to stabilize - there are cases that will change classification. Be careful with interpreting recent weeks.

From: (Anonymous)

The excess deaths in the UK link lets you sort by cause of death, so you can look up heart failure and strokes and diabetes.

I second the warning that the charts are not intuitive.

From: (Anonymous)

This is the best chart of all cause deaths that I have found for the US, and it also classifies based on attribution to covid or not. It runs about a month behind, and the most recent weeks *always* appear to show a decline which disappears as more death reports are received and entered. Of course the CDC could start messing with the data if they have a good reason to.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

I don't have any answers as to duration of spike detection.

Mark L

From:

ahriman

One more, Euromomo, but you don't get cause breakdown:

https://www.euromomo.eu/

From: (Anonymous)

Absent hard data, the point at which immunity begins its decline after vaccination may be an approximate proxy for the spike protein.

rabtter

From: (Anonymous)

Which brings me to, I think Iceland is too good to be true which makes me think some kind of underhanding is behind the curtins.

From: (Anonymous)

Compare Iceland with a chart of Israel, along with their respective vaccination timelines. Countries that vaccinate a majority of their population at once seem to experience a wave of infection coinciding with vaccination (likely due to short term suppression of immunity), a "happy valley" of very low cases during the 3-4 months of peak vaccine efficacy, and then a larger wave as immunity wanes. I think Iceland is still in the happy valley phase.

Mark L

From: (Anonymous)

Which month was Iceland vaccinated? Was the population generally vaccinated at a latter month than Israel?

From: (Anonymous)

Israel vaccinated a majority of their population in February and March. Iceland vaccinated a majority of their population between mid-May and mid-July.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Mark L

From: (Anonymous)

For whatever it's worth, I was vaccinated in April & feel I was harmed with symptoms mirroring covid or long-haul covid. Then in September (5 months post single dose Pfizer) I got what I believe was covid. After laying in bed for 5 days fighting off a fever and trying not to start coughing, then a few more days of being too weak to walk up stairs, etc. etc. Anyways when I'd fully recovered from covid I felt fully better since having been vaxxed. My hypothesis is that my immune systems natural response to a natural infection cleared up the lingering adverse effects of the vaccine, too.

From: (Anonymous)

A few things to consider is that, terminal disseased states like Soviet Union and Ceausescu' Romania and other cases always fudge the numbers.

I think is better watch someone who is experienced with statistical anomalies, during the election there were some mentions of Bradford law, etc

From:

team10tim

Hey hey JMG,

2nd question, duration of spike proteins,

I don't think anyone has an answer on this one. Here is the best that I could do:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/FDA-2021-P-0460-0001/attachment_1.pdf

From: May 16th 2021

Enclosed is a Citizen Petition filed on behalf of Children’s Health Defense by Meryl
Nass, M.D., Scientific Advisory Board member, and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Board Chair and
Chief Litigation Counsel, requesting that the FDA revoke Emergency Use Authorizations for
existing COVID vaccines and refrain from approving and licensing them.

...

16. Other problems with vaccine safety assessment may exist because of inadequate
animal toxicology and pharmacokinetic studies of COVID vaccines. Animal experiments failed to
measure the quantity, duration and organ distribution of spike protein production. The animal
experiments, incomprehensibly, failed to inject the actual vaccine to be tested during certain
pharmacokinetic and toxicology tests. For example, in study 2.6.5.5B, only 2 of the 4 lipid
nanoparticle (LNP) components were labeled and injected into rats, and their distribution and
persistence in many organs were assessed at animal necropsy, from 15 minutes to 48 hours post-
injection. For most organs, at 48 hours the amount of the two LNP components in each organ was
still increasing. Thus, the ultimate distribution and persistence of the LNPs are unknown. And we
have no information regarding duration and persistence of the mRNA or spike protein production
in organs based on this study. 14

The study referenced #14 is in Japanese and I'm afraid that I can't read it. Anyone else want to parse it down for us?

https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/

As far as I can tell, the research to determine how long the Spike protein persists (and how long it is produced for). However, it looks like the lipid nano particles (LNPs) concentration is still growing after 48 hours in some areas of the body other than the muscle it was injected into:

Thanks,
Tim

From: (Anonymous)

Sorry, clipped sentence.

As far as I can tell, the research to determine how long the Spike protein persists (and how long it is produced for) hasn't been done.

From: (Anonymous)

JMG, Alex Berenson, before being banished from Twitter, had a tweet to the effect that "all cause mortality" was at least 10% higher in the UK over the summer months after having been below average earlier in the year. As Berenson rightfully pointed out, the lower number pre-vaccination was likely influenced by those that had succumbed to the first wave of the pandemic, which were very morbid, on average. Their deaths were in effect "pulled forward." Thus, the higher rate of mortality was alarming and coincided with the vaccine rollout. Apparently the UK and Scotland publish this data and I've seen it cited for Israel, as well.

From: (Anonymous)

And here we come to the demonic possession, the possessed always attack those that want to show the real situation, they want to stay as much as possible in the sweet spot of the bargain with the daemon.

From: (Anonymous)

FT's coronavirus tracker includes some analysis on excess deaths: https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

Googling the source "karlinsky and kobalt world mortality" got me a few papers. Ultimately I found the raw data here: https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality

I'd recommend checking out the papers as well, this is where I got the github link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7852240/.

This is something that's been pre-packaged to make specific arguments about Covid, but mortality data has been around for a while. It's always been reported by national and international statistical agencies. At least from my quick glance at the paper, their sources seem to be the usual suspects.

From: (Anonymous)

I've also been thinking about crude death rates. The problem with any official numbers is that than can be censored. So I started looking for death notices published on various sites.

It's not very scientific and probably needs to be done at a local level. But it is unlikely to be interfered with. A spike in deaths in under 70s would be a sign of trouble.

From:

emmanuelg

Here's a link which indicates that the spike proteins are undetectable to the single molecule level 14 days after vaccination;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/05/210526185844.htm

Perhaps we can see what will happen in Denmark, now that all COVID restrictions have been lifted there. A very high percentage of its population has been vaccinated, so the high vaccination rate along with no restrictions on movement could tell us whether the vaccine is preventing illness, or enhancing it in some way;

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/denmark-lifts-covid-restrictions-crediting-high-vaccine-uptake-rcna1967

From:

oakbayou

Hi JMG,

I second the suggestion to use Our World in Data for excess death figures.

As for studies looking for detectable spike protein in vaccinated individuals, there's this:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075

13 individuals without previous COVID symptoms or confirmed infection had blood plasma analyzed during the vaccination process. The study found that spike protein antigens were undetectable by the 15th day after the first injection, and by day 2 after the second injection (which took place 29 days after the first injection). It also shows the measurable presence of antibodies for those spike proteins post-vaccination.

Here's the relevant part:
"S1 antigen was detected as early as day 1 postvaccination, and peak levels were detected on average 5 days after the first injection (Figure 1A). The mean S1 peak level was 68 picograms/milliliter ± 21 pg/mL. S1 in all participants declined and became undetectable by day 14. No antigen was detected at day zero for 12 of 13 participants, as expected. However, one individual presented detectable S1 on day zero, possibly due to assay cross-reactivity with other human coronaviruses or asymptomatic infection at the time of vaccination.
Spike protein was detectable in 3 of 13 participants an average of 15 days after the first injection. The mean spike peak level was 62 pg/mL ± 13 pg/mL. After the second vaccine dose, no S1 or spike was detectable, and both antigens remained undetectable through day 56. For one individual (participant 8), spike was detected at day 29, 1 day after the second injection and was undetectable 2 days later."

From:

lunarapprentice

JMG, there is something on this (longevity of spike protein production in the vaccinated). There is a recent peer-reviewed study that shows that the mRNA injection elicits production for at least 5 months after the date of injection, and that they are produced not just in the arm (in the vicinity of the injection site), but in many regions throughout the body. These phenomena were observed in 6 out of 6 subjects randomly selected from a cohort of several thousand who had received one of the covaxes. I’ve been looking for the reference; I’m certain I commented on this on one of your blogs earlier this year and included the reference, but for the life of me I can’t find it now.

If you could do a phrase search for “5 months” or “five months” or “six out of six” or “6 out of 6”, globally across comments in both your blogs for 2021, I’m sure there would be a very short list that has the reference. I don’t know if this is useful. Sorry.

—Lunar Apprentice

From: (Anonymous)

Hi, Lunar Apprentice:\

I saved that post because it intrigued me so.
It was on the Open Post, From https://www.ecosophia.net/july-2021-open-post/.

- - -
Helix says:
July 28, 2021 at 2:35 pm

markl #2 — Regarding the Covid-19 injectable biological agents, AKA “Vaccines”, you
may be interested in this article:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419713123787808812?refresh=1627326570

The article says, in essence, that researchers found the spike proteins engendered by
the vaccines still circulating five months after vaccination in every one of the
(admittedly small set of) subjects tested. This is potentially very bad news for
people who have been vaxxed, as it is now known that the spike protein is critical
part of Covid-19’s mechanism to cause disease.

One wonders if Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen, etc. knew about the long duration of the spike
proteins during the EUA process, and, if so, why this fact was not disclosed to those
receiving the injections. If not, why not? Gauging the quantity, distribution, and
duration of active components of vaccines is essential to the vaccine development and
approval process.

Either way, this is not a good look. It’s either incompetence or duplicity, and it’s
hard to see a scenario in which the regulators were either lied to or are complicit.
One hopes that vaccine recipients won’t pay the price.

- - -

The ThreadReaderApp link is still live, I just checked.

- Cicada Grove

From: (Anonymous)

Thank you for this! Now, I did at the time track down a more solid source reference, and I'm pretty sure I referenced that in one of JMG's blogs. I'll see if I can find it again.

--Lunar Apprentice

From: (Anonymous)

I'm not a biomedically literate, but I know this source about the deaths happened in UE.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Anselmo

From: (Anonymous)

JMG, this may be of somewhat limited use since it's just for the state of Oregon, but it turns out that the Oregon Health Authority maintains a pretty excellent record (https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/oha.center.for.health.statistics/viz/OregonHealthAuthorityCenterforHealthStatisticsWeeklydeathgraph/Dash-weeklydeaths) of the state's overall mortality rate, compares against the five year average to generate excess mortalities, and even compares that to the state's recorded Covid deaths. It's pretty perfect and updated frequently; currently the data is through September 4th. I'm not sure how much revision happens to past weeks as the year goes on.

Interestingly, as it happens, it is showing a pretty big upswing in deaths over the month of August. Partly that can be explained by an upswing in deaths from Covid as we are in the midst of our biggest spike yet. However, that only partly accounts of it. Since August 1st, we have gone from 158 excess deaths in a week compared to the five year average, with 43 attributable to Covid, to 370 excess deaths in a week at the end of August/beginning of September with 140 attributable to Covid. Might just be noise but will be interesting to see how the trend develops.

The one thing missing, and that I haven't been able to find, is a layering in of cause of death data outside of Covid. I did find some cause of death data elsewhere but it was not compared against the five year average and the categories were quite broad, with most deaths falling under "Natural Causes." It would be helpful to see something more fine-grained to be able to look for signals clustered around heart issues and clotting.

I wonder how many other states have this kind of record, especially with the useful excess mortality rates and comparisons to Covid deaths?

From:

tunesmyth

I reported a couple of Covid posts back about my infant girl being affected by the touch of a recently vaccinated neighbor, leading to a rash where she was touched and, possibly, a nervous system condition. Just the quick update: There have not been any recurrences of the symptoms since the last time, and several tests in the hospital are inconclusive. The symptoms we described only match up with a (literally) one-in-a-million neurological disorder called "Alternating Hemiplegia of Childhood". We have *not* received a diagnosis of such-- it's simply a case of watch, wait, and see. On the recommendation of a friend, we are taking my daughter to start a preventive course of treatment with a local osteopath and chiropractor.

Although I have quite a high level of certainty that the initial rash came from the physical touch of our neighbor, I am far less sure that whatever neurological condition my daughter might potentially have was caused by that exposure. Of course I don't rule it out, and if there is a sudden increase in the number of children who develop previously rare neurological disorders in the coming years, that will be telling. But it appears that when my daughter's condition occurs, it occurs because her system is under unusual stress in some way. It seems to me that being exposed to mRNA shedding by that initial physical touch may have been sufficient stress to trigger it, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that it was the cause of the condition.

One more potentially important data point that suggests that it may just be coincidental timing is that there were a couple of times just after childbirth that her eyes drifted to one side. Apparently this is not unusual in newborns, but it is at least suggestive that my daughter may have already started out with some kind of neurological imbalance.

As I said, I'm not ruling out the mRNA exposure as a causal factor. I just don't want to jump to conclusions either.

From:

mollari

Do you mind if I pray for her health?

From:

tunesmyth

Thank you mollari. I do not mind at all.

From:

My husband has a doctor's appointment next week and I'm sure he'll be asked if he wants the vaccine. He's not been reading/following much more than general headlines and has been following both personal-hermit tendencies (to avoid exposure) and my lead in distrust of the vaccines. I doubt he'd have a good snappy comeback to shut down all vaxx conversation, so I'd like to give him one.

Tell me your favorite ways to get a medical professional all off your back!

today mine is: Pfizer's largest experiment/study won't be over until 2023 and I won't take an experimental drug.

(Not that I'll take it after 2023, but nobody needs to know that!)

I'm sure there are better ones, so step up to the mic!

Edited Date: 2021-09-14 04:56 pm (UTC)

From: (Anonymous)

"No, thank you." If you argue you invite counter-argument.

From: (Anonymous)

Yeah, I'm going to have a new doctor who will be treating my type 2 diabetes starting in November, and I'm not sure how well she'll take my saying, "I've decided I want to be part of the control group" about the "vaccine". I'm making sure I'm being extra good in my dietary habits so that at the very least my "A1C" blood-sugar reading will be acceptable.

From: (Anonymous)

"Not at this time."

PS My doctor recommended that I get vaxxed, but when I said no twice, he admitted that his own nurse wouldn't take the vax, either.

From:

(slaps forehead) geez, you folks win for K.I.S.S.-factor.

From:

rob_r

Perhaps “I’m in the control group”?

From: (Anonymous)

"I stopped taking experimental drugs back in college."
Gawain

From: (Anonymous)

At least when I experimented with drugs I never wore a lab coat!

If we're going to experiment with drugs I know some better ones!

I'm a doctor of science.

From:

At my yearly physical in July I said "I'm not interested at this time." and the doctor moved on to trying to get me to take the shingles vaccine. lol

From: (Anonymous)

How about: "I'm not going to volunteer to be a lab rat."

Antoinetta III

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lunarapprentice

Temporaryreality: My standard response is "The risks from covid are basically known and are tolerable to me, but there is no long term vax safety data, so it reminds me of Russian Roulette. No Thank You."

--Lunar Apprentice

From: (Anonymous)

the one you add another round, after each lucky shot

From: (Anonymous)

Maybe just go with Bartleby, the Scrivener: "I'd prefer not to..." ?

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I want to bring up another issue of our society's reliance on Covid vaccines as a "solution ". For a moment, put aside important discussions of their safety and efficacy (both short and long-term). One obvious aspect, at least to me, of the Covid vaccines that is not discussed is the fact that they heavily depend on fossil fuels for their research, manufacture, shipment, distribution, promotion, etc. etc. That by itself is not necessarily a reason for me to reject them, as I wouldn't automatically reject certain medical care now if I needed it even if its medical care that wouldn't easily exist in a future without fossil fuels. However, as we further down the era of energy descent, societies and people will be forced to explore other ways of responding to viruses and other health threats. It seems paramount for more of us to actively explore, learn (or in many cases re-learn) lower-energy ways of responding to and mitigating health threats now. The more that we do so now increases the likelihood of better success of dealing with health threats in a lower-energy future.

- beneaththesurface

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tamanous2020

A good callout there! A lot of the current problems are only given one solution these days, a highly centralized corporate/government agency that provides minimal returns at outsized costs. As parallel societies develop outside the controlled institutions, I expect that local, low energy measures will be the go to method for many.

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Great point! Exploring and sharing low-energy, long-descent-friendly methods of preventing and treating illness is one of the main reasons (in addition to concerns about long-terms effects) why I won't get the shots. As we all know, there are other, less resource-intensive ways to deal with something like Covid. While I do appreciate having access to modern medicine, I am also harvesting medicinal mushrooms, stocking up on locally-made tinctures, improving our diet, etc... then sharing the knowledge with others.

On a hopeful note about parallel societies starting up, I am involved with 6 other families in forming a maskless, vax-optional Waldorf play and support group for our children. We all feel quite energized! And thankfully, my son and I have a PCP who respects our vaccine choices.

Thanks again JMG and all for this oasis. And my prayers go out to all who are suffering now. And thanks to the commenter last week who linked to the Celtic Church circular protection prayer. As a lapsed Christian, it feels right and I've been saying it every day!

Ellen

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These are not appropriate for viruses necessarily, but I've though about this a fair bit. I like the idea of a trompe to make ice, just a falling water column that compresses a gas that gets cold when pressure is released, same as the air duster cans now, soap and water, and a little bit further out there, Paul Stamets work with mushrooms and their abilities to evolve and fight infections and bacteriophages and serum therapy. I think all of these could be managed on a much lower energy budget. To my mind the best advertisement for all of these is they are alive, as in evolving, as in can evolve to meet future threats.

My problem with herbalism in the past has been that from the outside it doesn't seem super scientific or to have actual treatments. I've got a cough. Take some mullein. That's all good. I've got TB, take some mullein. I'm sure I don't know enough about it, but the idea that were going to be treating pneumonia with Dandelion Greens makes me nervous.

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In the early 20th century people died a lot more often from pneumonia than they do now. The same will probably be true of the early 22nd century.

The nervousness is natural, but it only means we have a lot of work to do so that we're able to cope with that scenario when it arrives. More spiritual and social work than scientific or medical work, I would suggest, though low-tech medicine will definitely help more than our continuing escalation of a high-tech medical infrastructure which can only hope at best to survive for the super rich at the expense of the wider population.

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In the long term, with or without covid, I think people are just going to have to get used to the idea that we are all going to die sooner or later, and probably most of us will do it at home without a lot of high-tech gewgaws to prolong the process.

As our host has pointed out on numerous occasions, life can still be meaningful even if death looms larger over it. Perhaps even more so because of it.

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escorcher

In the spirit of appropriate technology and route 1 common sense, it would seem to me the best way to handle CoVid is not to let it get a good hold. At heart, it is effectively a souped up cold that can get extra nasty if it gets in too deep, so hitting it quick and early in the nose and throat makes sense to me. Some ideas and reasoning in the two links. This is not advice, just information. Use it as you will.

https://www.georgekramermd.com/hydrogen-peroxide-gargling-nasal-rinses-may-prevent-viral-infection/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340433132_Hypertonic_saline_nasal_irrigation_and_gargling_should_be_considered_as_a_treatment_option_for_COVID-19

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escorcher

I'd personally say the more dilute % of hydrogen peroxide mouthwash sounds more sensible to me (from first link).

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Not advice, just narrative:

Per Stephen Buhner's research (see his Herbal Antivirals) and my own use, I've found echinacea to be less of the touted all-system immune booster, but extremely effective for mucous-membrane issues (mouth only if using an alcohol-based tincture). I treat sore throats with it to extremely good effect (as well as sore taste buds, or inflamed gums or bitten lips. It also helps with reflux to some degree). The mechanism by which it works strengthens the immune capabilities of mucosal cells (in addition to promoting healing).

I have seen indication, however, that SARS2 doesn't necessarily "bind" well with mouth/mucosa as it does to those of the nasal passages - so the nasal irrigation method might actually be more effective. See https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/a-round-up-of-anti-covid-nasal-spray-research.html for more info.

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escorcher

Interesting tempreality. Thanks!

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weilong

Here in Japan it has long been common to teach children to wash their hands and gargle after coming home (wash away anything that you may have picked up in school/town/etc.). Not sure if it's really useful, but it's an old idea.

I have been doing nasal irrigation for a long time, with good success. One tip is to be careful about how often you do it. I do it if I have been doing something dusty (mowing weeds, sawing wood, spreading wood ash on the field), or if I feel stuffy. It feels good to clean that area out once in a while. On the other hand, the function of the mucous is to capture dust and such and remove it. Washing away the mucous could inhibit that function. Same goes for anything, but I try it and see how it works for me, and make adjustments as necessary. As our host is so fond of saying, your mileage may vary.

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Of course there is no vaccine for children under 12...

https://www.thelocal.es/20210907/who-still-hasnt-been-vaccinated-against-covid-19-in-spain/

"At the current rate, 90 percent vaccination could be achieved by October 2021." (more cannon fodder for ADE!).

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Or step 10 of JMG hypothesis, remember, if ADE and OAS are a thing, having almost all people vaccinated is essential, even if on paper, if 80il million voters could be done, I think almost all people vaccinated would be easy. One reason of making unvaccination anatema isbfor them not to be vocal once the vaccination numbers are elected. Kind of how they did to the 'Trumpers'.

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In Sweden, most unvaccinated are immigrants, often from the Middle East or Africa, while most anti-vaxx activists are White Swedes, either New Age people or (supposed) right-wing extremists. This creates obvious problems for the "liberal" Narrative, according to which anti-vaxx and fascism are closely connected, and therefore getting vaccinated is somehow anti-fascist (at least that´s the subtext).

Vaccine passports haven´t been introduced in Sweden, but they are being seriously discussed, since Sweden is supposed to open up completely at the end of this month. If introduced, they would disproportionately hit the immigrants - who are already those mostly affected by COVID and by the rising unemployment in its wake (due to the lockdowns). (Sweden has a "soft" lockdown, but it does affect some branches of the economy - also, Sweden is affected by the "hard" lockdowns in the rest of the world.)

So the "liberals" will have to chose: Support vaccine passports (since lockdowns and vaccines are apparently a liberal thing now) or oppose them in the name of solidarity with the immigrants. Interestingly, the Left Party does oppose vaccine passports (but not vaccines or lockdowns, as far as I know). The Social Democrats and Greens seem indecisive.

In the United States, it seems that Blacks and Hispanics have been worst hit by the pandemic, yet there, too, there is a widespread resistance to vaccines. Vaccine passports in the US (a Democrat thing) will therefore hit Blacks the hardest, leading to *literal* vaccine apartheid.

I wouldn´t be surprised if we get to see race riots in the United States against liberal city or state administrations due to vaccine passports. I still hope that such a scenario can be avoided in Sweden...

Just some random thoughts.

Tidlösa, Sweden

From: (Anonymous)

My impression is that the US Left is spinning its cognitive dissonance this way:

The unvaxxed are a combination of one, uneducated, Trump-supporting racist deplorables who don't want the vaccine because they are willfully ignorant, and we should forcibly inject them or maybe just let them die because good riddance anyway; and two, poor, misguided minorities who are "vaccine hesitant" due to some unfortunate past medical racism, who are in need of "education" and "nudges" and "outreach" through their own "community" to help them better-understand the Science and make the right choice.

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That is exactly how my pro-vax friends think about this. But exactly. And it's water-tight.

Crimson Cylindrical Gartenzwerg

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A few thoughts.

I got vaccinated back in April, shortly after the vaccines became available to the general adult public. I had been eligible, as an "essential worker," for some time prior to that, but had demurred as I wanted an opportunity to better assess the situation. I spent time with the issue, including prayer and divination, and ultimately went ahead. The divination results indicted, among other things, that I would withstand any potential side effects (Fortuna Major RW) and that receiving the vaccine would be helpful in interacting with others (Conjunctio LW). I'm also late middle-aged (pushing fifty) and will have no more children, so fertility isn't an issue (to the extent that was even a thing for guys). At present, I've had zero side effects (save a slight soreness with the first injection) and plan to decline any booster shots.

That all said, my situation and my assessment is not someone else's. My civil libertarianism says that each person should make his/her own choice based on his/her assessment of his/her particular circumstances. In my view, the folks ripping masks of other people's faces are just as wrong as those who are want to forcibly vaccinate everyone. Those who wish to get vaccinated can and should be permitted do so. Those who--for whatever reason--do not wish to get vaccinated, can and should be permitted to do so as well. Those who wish to wear masks should be allowed to do so. Private property owners who wish people to wear masks while on/in their property should be allowed to do so (including governments with respect to government buildings). People who are put off by having to wear a mask are free to patronize businesses without that requirement. Largely, in other words, we should act like adults and treat each other like adults and be respectful to one another even when we disagree.

*That* all said, I think that COVID is turning out to be one of those events in history which highlights and exacerbates the underlying tensions and divisions within our society, particularly within the US. I've thought for quite a while now that the union was unlikely to survive the end of the US empire, as the empire has been the glue which has held this country together in the wake of the failed revolution of 1860. The wholesale jettisoning of the unwashed (I mean, unvaxxed) from the institutions of our society will likely not work out as the administrators of this policy believe; rather than "punishing" the "evil-doers," this effort is likely to compel them to create their own institutions and their own parallel society, which will result in the furthering of the divisions within the country, less communication between the two primary factions, and greater fraying of the tenuous ties which still bind us together. Looking at COVID in this light, things make a certain amount of sense to me.

Best wishes to all here and to your families. May you remain in good health. And thanks, of course, to our host for providing this oasis of sane discussion in an increasingly crazy world.

--David BTL

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Thank you, David BLT, your statement brings a most excellent vibe, and bodacious wishes to you.

Thank you also to our awesomely generous host, JMG. I appreciate this forum to the moon and back and around five times, and I know full well that without your moderation, so many of such comments as these would never have been forthcoming.

Crimson Cylindrical Gartenzwerg

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I recently tried to put together the strongest possible argument against vaccine mandates that I could muster based on available science and knowledge.

Much of the information will be familiar to folks who have been following along here but I hope it can be helpful.

http://www.luterra.com/blog/?p=1349

Mark L

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This is tremendously helpful, Mark, thank you very much.

Plum Apoplectic Chachalaka

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Thank you very much for this.

May I use the info to prepare a one pager that I plan to make available to those in doubt or unwilling to vaccinate their children ?

Sapienter Si Sincere

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Sure, but I would prefer that you not link to it or use my name in something that will be widely distributed, as I want to avoid an incursion of angry trolls.

Mark L

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Absolutely, thanks and kudos for the great work, greatly appreciated.

Sapienter Si Sincere

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Thanks mucho.
I've added the link to my list of arguments to deploy if my employer gets backed into the corner of mandating the shot.

- Cicada Grove

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tunesmyth

I'm hearing stories from vaccinated friends where the very fact of having been vaccinated is causing them hassles.

I'm in Japan. My job takes me into different classrooms in English language schools around the Osaka-Kyoto region.

In one classroom I went to last week, a teacher in the class shared an interesting experience with me. She had received her second dose of one of the potion shots recently, and she came down with a heavily symptomatic case of what she was sure was Covid-- the symptoms all matched up. She went to the hospital with a high fever, but she couldn't get a PCR test because, they told her, PCR tests give false positives to vaccine recipients for at least three months. (Yes, yes, I know, they give false positives anyway. Just reporting here.)

Well, three days later, her fever subsided, but she was still feeling terrible and vomiting and having no sense of taste or smell. She went back to the hospital, and they advised her that since she had no fever, as soon as she stopped throwing up she could go back to work. I guess because, since she had been vaccinated, then whatever it was theoretically wasn't COVID? I don't know, it's pretty weird. She felt terrible, and was still otherwise symptomatic, so she took the next two weeks off until she felt better... but because there was no official diagnosis of Covid, she isn't able to apply for government assistance for the time off due to Covid.

All I can imagine is that the City of Osaka is running out of funds to pay people to take time off from work (our workplace instructs their PCR-positive workers to take "unpaid holidays" off of work, and apply to the government for the missed pay).

Has anyone heard of this kind of this going on elsewhere, or is this a local problem?

Meanwhile, Japan is requiring negative PCR tests for air travel, regardless of vaccine status. So, if it's for going back to work, PCR tests don't count if you've been vaccinated, even if you're still symptomatically sick. But PCR tests are still required to fly in Japan, even if having been vaccinated affects your PCR test. It's all rather schizophrenic. But I guess that's par for the course everywhere right now.

This actually affected a French friend of mine who flew back to Paris for a family trip. Japan suddenly changed the entry requirements on him while he was away, including adding in the PCR requirement (even though he has a vaccine passport). So he missed his flight, and he wasn't able to reserve another until November 1-- so I guess he's not the only one who ran into this problem! Anyway, what's particularly interesting to me is that-- even though he's vaccinated, and even if his PCR test shows negative-- Japan will be requiring him to quarantine in an assigned hotel for 3 days on arrival AND still require 14 days of quarantine at home on top of that.

Why are people getting this vaccine again??

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open_space

I have a physicist friend who is very smart in raw mental power but not much outside of that areas that went overboard into the whole vaccine thing and knew everything about it in favor of it. We argued somewhat peacefully for weeks, exchanging links, papers and arguments for and against the vaccine. Suddenly, for the past 3 weeks, he has been very quiet and I have seen the same for many other people.

As you pointed out, there never was a good reason to get the vaccine but the narrative was stiff and fueled by fear and because they thought it was the holy grail, now thats been changing and it's cracking bit by bit... And since what you mention is also a mayor throwback I hope that will help things change. How was the Gandhi saying that JMG has cited a few times? First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. I think the fighting back is not as strong as it was a few weeks ago...

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tunesmyth

“Suddenly, for the past 3 weeks, he has been very quiet and I have seen the same for many other people.”

That’s a very positive sounding sign.

Has anyone else witnessed, or heard first hand accounts, of people not getting diagnosed with Covid simply because they were semi-recently vaccinated?

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So far two colleges - Brown University and Connecticut College - are in full lock-down with students in dorms. 95-98% vaccinated and they won't let them do any activities and want them to eat in their rooms. They are all wearing masks all the time. What was the point of vaccinating everyone if there is a total freak out over positive Covid tests but the tester has no Covid symptoms (fever, cough, etc)?

Edited to add link to Brown University temporary restrictions https://healthy.brown.edu/updates/brown-community-new-temporary-covid-19-restrictions

Now testing all students every four days. That will route out the sinners who obviously have disobeyed in some way!!!

Edited (add link to Brown University ) Date: 2021-09-14 10:40 pm (UTC)

From: (Anonymous)

Why anybody would pay outrageous sums of money to subjected to those conditions is beyond me. If I were a college student today, I would ask for a leave of absence.

From: (Anonymous)

Hello JMG and all,

A few more data points in support of your hypothesis from British Columbia, Canada. This supports the idea that we are in stage 10 (https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/140421.html) and that the political class is becoming increasingly erratic and irrational in its behaviour.

The provincial government has mandated that vaccine passports must be presented in order to access "discretionary" or "non-essential" services and businesses. (I can't imagine how it'd feel to have the government I pay taxes to tell me that my business is non-essential. Ouch). Currently it's one jab for access but in about a month it has to be two jabs. It'll probably be updated to three jabs before long (see below). So far, I've heard through the grapevine in my sleepy little town that most pubs are going to ignore the order. Other businesses have gone back to take-out only. This is a sign of the growing disconnect between our leaders and the population.
Link: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/vaccinecard.html

I just found out last night that the BC gov't is also mandating that all health workers and volunteers be vaccinated within the month. If employees refuse, they may be put on unpaid leave (sneaky, and rather mean, as that means that employees who refuse can't receive unemployment insurance).
Link: https://www.richmond-news.com/bc-news/bc-making-covid-19-vaccine-a-condition-of-employment-for-all-health-care-workers-4329737

Finally, people who are identified as high risk (immunocompromised, for now) are already receiving a third dose of vaccine (which one? who cares anymore, apparently) AND the advising committee is insisting that this third dose is different from a booster shot... somehow...
Link: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/immunocompromised-booster-shot-covid-19-vaccine

The insanity continues to amp up out here on the west coast.

From: (Anonymous)

Well, this one is not really surprising. Shortages of test kits are being reported from all over. The following links report shortages at Washington, Minnesota and Oklahoma respectively. Seems like a national problem.

Expect the "official" case statistics to diverge even more widely from reality. And the elites to bury their heads in the sand even deeper, as the gap widens.

https://dailyevergreen.com/113623/news/state-county-facing-shortage-of-covid-19-tests/
https://www.fox4now.com/national/newsy/what-led-to-the-shortage-of-at-home-covid-19-tests
https://www.enidnews.com/news/covid19/nationwide-shortage-of-rapid-covid-19-tests-hits-state/article_59ab0a02-11b8-11ec-b4fd-c7820e737b07.html

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I wonder if people passing on getting vaccinated, but required to show vaccination or negative test for a given activity will be able to say “sorry, shortage”? Could be a real pain to them right when they need a regular test to rejoin society. Mighty convenient for the vaccine push, that correlation in time.

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Aren't they phasing out the PCR test in December and replacing them with something else?

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Yes, CDC will be withdrawing the RT-PCR test after 2022. I am not sure if PCR and RT-PCR are the same thing.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

The next question is, do we have a sufficient supply/capacity of the alternative tests like Antigen Tests/PCR Tests? No mainstream media is discussing this. I can't find any source that tracks this.

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d_mekel

How does biden(or bidens overlords) expect a short staffed osha to enforce weekly test and manage the paper work involved with who has been vaccinated

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This mandate has not actually been issued. It was said that he will do it. When? No one knows.

From: (Anonymous)

I expect that they are counting on pro vaccine employees to file a complaint with OSHA if the business is out of compliance.

From: (Anonymous)

Funny you should mention that. OSHA was not consulted before they were volunteered by Biden.

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Here's a piece of satire I wrote over a year ago, a couple of months into the COVID lockdowns. Unfortunately, it's just as relevant now as it was then.

Upon first impression, Randall Raef may not seem like someone who will revolutionize the world, but if you allow this professor at Etaroproc University to give you a tour of his Machines, your view of the future will never be the same again. Over the past decade, Raef has been creating our future, a safe future in which all the dangers that most of us consider part of ordinary life are eliminated.

Raef has three Machines completed and fully inhabited, and five more in the building process. Each completed Machine looks from the outside to be just a huge box of a metal building, without any windows. Inside, most of the space is taken up by thousands of rooms, each of which is a home for one person. Once settled in such a highly sanitized room, each person never has to leave again. The spaces in the Machines that are not inhabited by people are used by robots to deliver the people everything they need, and remove their waste. The
rooms are all outfitted with the latest in digital technology which allows everyone to communicate with each other without leaving their rooms. Everyone is equipped to be able to work remotely, and any items they may need for their work are delivered to their room. The rooms are securely locked so nobody can get out and endanger themselves or others.

The initial Machines that Raef has built are occupied either by prisoners or volunteers that have generally come from homeless communities, however Raef now plans to advertise them to get more and more people to move in. Once there is a critical mass on Machines built, Raef indicated that he has contacts in the government and the media that will use all their influence to persuade people to resettle to the safety of Machines. “Eventually”, Raef says, “Our plan is for everyone to be required to live in Machines.” For now, he admits,
there will still have to be some people who work outside of a machine as robotics technology isn’t advanced enough yet to replace all that humans need to do in the world at large. “There will be essential workers that will still need to leave their rooms to get certain jobs done,” he says, “but they can still be settled in machines for the rest of their lives, and only be allowed out to work in strictly supervised situations.”

Raef plans to be able to strictly control population in his world of Machines because artificial insemination will be the only form of reproduction and fetuses will develop in labs. “There’s no way sex or any form of human contact can be completely safe, nor pregnancy either” he says, “Besides, this way we can have exactly the right population to fill the machines.” Babies will be raised in their own rooms by robots that won’t make the sort of mistakes that parents can endanger their child with, and anyone who really wants to interact
with babies can do it over video chat.

Raef admits there have been some challenges with the first three Machines. Some occupants have resisted, a few have found ways out and destroyed infrastructure or even in one case, found and attacked Raef himself. Others have found ways to commit suicide inside their rooms. Raef is working on these issues. “Locks have been improved to the point that nobody has escaped in the last year. Rooms have been padded, and items that have serious potential to be used for self-harm have been eliminated. We’re determined that anyone living in Machines will have completely safe lives, which includes being safe from one’s self,” he stated. He even is testing out putting some people in
straitjackets if they don’t need the full use of their arms for their work. When asked why people have behaved in such ways, he seems both angry and a bit mystified. “I’ve dedicated my life to giving these people the ideal life, safe from harm,” he says, “A lot of people are just ungrateful for all the work I have done to help them. People act against their own interests all the time.” “These people are not qualified to make the best decisions for themselves,” he insists. “My education and experience has given me the skills to save the world, and I won’t let idiots who are too stupid to care for themselves tear
down the new world we’re building.”

Raef himself lives in a mansion in the hills that overlook San Francisco Bay. When asked whether he plans to move into a machine himself ever, he replies, "My own job of overseeing the construction and development of the Machines requires me to be mobile. I have to put myself at risk to create a world where others are safe. One day I may get the privilege of retiring to a Machine, but for now I have to stay where I am even if it means my own safety is compromised."

Occupants of Raef’s Machines have also gone into a rage over some of the conditions he has provided for them. Several times, people have been upset over the food they are receiving. Raef’s response to that is “All the food I’m giving them has been scientifically proven to be the most nutritious diet available, they should be thankful they get the benefit of world-class nutritionists who care about their needs.” Since occupants of the machines can only communicate with others and get information through technology that Raef controls, he can keep any unrest from getting too out of hand by censoring anything that he considers misinformation. Still, he’s concerned that some of the issues he’s had have come from outside agitators. “I think hackers
from Russia must be finding a way to get through to some of the occupants of my Machines. Why else would there be discontent in what’s the most perfect world created so far on our planet?” he theorizes. “Many people have even claimed they’re suffering strange illnesses, even though they are just the touch of a screen away from some of the best medical care in the world. What else could explain that but influence from outside agitators leading to psychosomatic disease?” he added.

Raef did eventually acknowledge that it’s possible that some people really do desire to be outside, have contact with others, and do things that can’t be done in a room with even the best of technology. His advice to anyone who feels this way is not to oppose the Machines but to embrace advances in bionic technology. “Let’s face it,” he says, “living our lives the way we have been is horribly unsafe.” “Once we have everyone safely inside Machines, we can put all our energy as a society into replacing our biological parts with bionic
ones. Once we have eliminated biology in ourselves and eventually in the larger world, it will be safe to come out of our rooms again. This is the way forward if we want to get out of our rooms, resisting the coming of the Machines is what backward idiots do.”

Raef recommends anyone that’s interested in a safe future who has any money to spare consider contributing to his charity MACS (Make America Completely Safe). MACS will spend your donations toward building and perfecting Machines as well as bionics research.

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