Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[ecosophia]

My basic hypothesis still appears to be holding up tolerably well. We seem to be early in Stage Ten of the trajectory, with breakthrough infections becoming increasingly common and the behavior of the political classes becoming increasingly erratic.

As for the speculation on demonic involvement, I haven't seen any more evidence either way. The things that led me to suggest it were, first, the weird experience many people seem to have had of seductive voices urging them to go get the vaccines, and second, the apparent messing with the results of divination. My speculation traced that to one possible source. We'll see whether any further evidence emerges one way or the other.

[(Anonymous)]

a) Do you have advice on how to get rid of those voices? (I've started banishing using the CGD LBRP, regular cold showers, and when they appear try to block them, but so far no luck getting rid of them)

b) How much can demons mess with divination results?

[ecosophia]

I don't have answers for these questions yet. We're in a situaiton in which experimentation is crucial.

[inavalon]

One experiment you could try is to completely disconnect from the internet as much as possible.

As JMG recently mentioned, the electronic structure of the internet is perfectly suited to being messed with by demonic forces. What exactly is being transmitted and received?

It seems logical to suggest that the more time one spends interacting via internet, the more one is vulnerable to hearing these troublesome voices.

I realize that many useful and informative forums (like this one) are also on the internet, so there's a bit of a conundrum there. I too am trying to break the addiction, but it isn't easy.

[(Anonymous)]

If LBRP won't get rid of them explore the notion that they are on the same team as Raphael, Gabriel, Michael and Uriel.

rabtter

[(Anonymous)]

a) Do you have advice on how to get rid of those voices?

Try wearing a turban or some other head covering, preferably one of white cloth. I was taught by a Sikh that hairs are psychic antennae, and leaving them uncovered can invite other people’s thoughts into your head. I know a couple of women who said they psychic powers left them when they started wearing their hair short, which would seem to confirm the antenna thesis.

[(Anonymous)]

Interestingly, one of the links provided in David Holmgren’s blog entry (referred to above) is a video of Dr. Peter McCulloch stating how most medical doctors are operating in a ‘trance’ (and he’s not speaking metaphorically).

https://www.bitchute.com/embed/BxME0RDJ61S9/

The question is whether the propaganda machine is powerful enough to put the doctors into a trance; of course, demons is also a perfectly viable alternative explanation. Whatever the source, I fear that when the medical doctors wake up from the trance a great many of them will not be able to live with themselves as having been willing participants in the worst crime against humanity known to our species.

[(Anonymous)]

I think threatening them with deregistration is probably enough to put them in a trance. Difficult to persuade someone of something when their salary depends on them believing the opposite.

[(Anonymous)]

Pertaining to the trance idea, I just listed to a podcast that discusses this in depth.

The Covid Narrative is Mass Hypnosis
https://iono.fm/e/1095885

[emilyknapstad]

You should look at this

https://m.facebook.com/110047718058030/posts/117910867271715/?d=n

Some news agency went phishing for covid deaths stories they got death stories alright but vaccine related ones . They got ripped to shreds . Thousands of comments by people whose family members either died or ended up crippled so far its mostly middle aged and old people . But they are pushing vaccines to teens and children 12 and older and planning to approve for seven and older . I think we are at combination of both 10th and 11th stage . I am waiting for some poor kid to die and angry mother to rant on TikTok/ social media to set the powder keg off..

[(Anonymous)]

Starfish corn, anyone?

(It's a reference to a plot device in Retrotopia: the civil war which destroyed the US was set off by an angry mob tearing a GMO company executive apart when he stood up to say that their corn, which had a gene from a starfish spliced into it, couldn't possibly be causing the wave of birth defects which were occurring.)

[escorcher]

We're still just mostly getting the (now) regular drip drip drip of 'save the vaccine hesitant' stories: e.g. this today from The Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/14/the-virus-is-painfully-real-vaccine-hesitant-people-are-dying-and-their-loved-ones-want-the-world-to-listen

Demons?

[claire_58]

Hi JMG, since reading your demon hypothesis I've had a couple of strange things pop up. Data points or confirmation bias or synchronicities?
The first happened within a few days of your post. It is from a local art group's daily drawing challenge. I had been participating and dropped it because late summer/fall is a busy time in the kitchen and garden. I still get occasionally get images other people have contributed showing up on my news feed. This one was a classic image of Satan with the caption "Even the devil puts his best foot forward 50% of the time". I looked up the topic for that day. It was "Putting your best foot forward".
Shortly after a facebook site I don't usually see popped up (because an acquaintance of mine had commented) with a meme that said "This is why I love the Satanic Temple" and an article about how they have stepped up in the fight for reproductive rights in Texas. The re-poster's comment was "Thoughts? Hail Satan?" to which I responded "No! we can stand for reproductive rights without resorting to evil". My comment was widely derided and I was informed by a few commenters that no one really believes in Satan. I also tried a comment about the seductiveness of evil to my acquaintance who seemed quite taken with the whole thing. She had responded favourably to the precepts of the Satanic Temple but I was dismissed as hopelessly naive.

I have also talked to a few people who've finally got the vaccine 'because, what the heck?' or 'thought I might as well' . . .

Not sure what to make of this. I find it a quite frightening confirmation of the idea that non-believers are the easiest influenced.

Re: Demons?

[(Anonymous)]

Those idiots are going to get women thrown back into the Stone Age.
Wow.

- Cicada Grove

[(Anonymous)]

Although not someone that I ever see referenced here,and his perspectives are often quite,um,radical...

David Icke has been vehemently opposed to the vaccines since the beginning. This week he addressed the widespread reports of "voices in the head"...

https://davidicke.com/2021/09/10/words-in-your-head-how-they-are-telling-you-to-get-the-vaccine-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast/

And then last Friday, James Howard Kunstler described the affect of various official talking heads:

"Is it, perhaps, that they just don’t believe the bullshit they are serving up to anxious viewers anymore? Or is it something even darker? That would be my guess. Next thing you know, their heads will start rotating 360 degrees, projectile vomiting pea soup at the cameras."

That sounds a lot like he is endorsing demonic possession...

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/then-what-2/

Things are getting interesting.

[ecosophia]

When people talk about "talking heads" in this context I keep on thinking of "the Head" in C.S. Lewis' novel That Hideous Strength...

[robertmathiesen]

About three weeks ago I said I thought there was already technology capable of putting ideas like "Oh, just get the vaccination; it'll be alright" into people's heads, so I was glad to see David Icke cite some chapters and verses on it just now. Anyway, since I commented last, I've been rummaging in a desultory way through US patents for such technology, and have already found a few of them:

#6,017,302 to Hendricus G. Loos in 1997: "Subliminal Acoustic Manipulation of Nervous Systems."

#6,470,214 to James P. O'Loughlin and Diana L. Loree (assigned to the Air Force) in 2002: "Method and Device for Implementing the Radio Frequency Hearing Effect."

#6,587,729 to James P. O'Loughlin and Diana L. Loree (assigned to the Air Force) in 2003: "Apparatus for Audibly Communicating Speech Using the Radio Frequency Effect."

If my inexpert searching turned up three such patents in just an hour or two, there are probably dozens, maybe even hundreds, of them in the files already. Clearly, it's a technology that bears careful watching.

[(Anonymous)]

Kunstler endorsing demonic possession?!?!

Um, (gently), probably not...

[(Anonymous)]

Wouldn't malevolent magic on the part of the Magic Resistance also be a possible source of both of these? Creating the sense of "Oh, I'll get the vaccine and it'll be fine" and messing with divination both seem to me to be within the realm of possibility for well aimed malevolent magic, without demonic involvement...

[(Anonymous)]

It couldn't be so much persistent without help, magic has an expiration date, even Trumpers got help from KEK a popular magical deity IMO and still it was not that long into effect. The duration and the scope and the way it transforms people looks like is not ordinary magic

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder, given in traditional lore that demons are unable to actually harm us but can only scare us, if demonic activity would imply that we'll move very quickly from stage 10 with its punitive public policy to stage 11, with everyone suddenly aware of the dangers of the vaccines and the pressure to vaccinate collapsing accordingly.

It's been noted before that the more people involved, the more fixed things are and the less free will exists. Assuming this also applies to demonic activity, then they can use their dupes to murder individuals, but the larger their target, the more constrained they are: and at a large enough scale, it's possible that they'd be constrained by the usual rules when dealing with demons: they can scare you, but they can't harm you.

Obviously this can't be true in an overly simplistic sense, because there are people who have already lost their jobs, but I wonder if it holds in a larger, more general sense: this would explain the over the top blustering from the White House, for example, if the demons already know they cannot actually implement the policies, they might as well push for the most extreme version possible.

It would also explain the job shortage as well: if you're fired right now, this is a very good time to be job hunting, so the level of harm is reduced. It's also worth noting that most of the people losing their jobs have been concentrated in areas saturated with TDS and corona panic; which implies that the demonic forces have already built a major beachhead there, and so would be able to affect people using a pawn with a more intimate connection; and that most of them also had jobs which would have gone away shortly anyway (thus reducing the harm).

Hmm....

[(Anonymous)]

And that would make sense why the red states are fighting hard. Because Christianity/Christian culture in flyover country. They’d be less inclined to call on the demons in the first place, more likely to use the traditional forms we’re talking about I.e. prayer and hymns/hymnals, and thus more protected.

This is not a value judgement, traditional polytheistic religions make more sense to me personally.

However being one of the formerly deep blue angry atheists, many people have a chip on their shoulder about Christianity, which is fine but turning to other Gods is just a much better idea than to demons.

It’s the twin unhelpful binaries of Christianity or Scientism. That then becomes God or devils. “The enemy if my enemy is my friend.” It’s the difference between atheist and anti-theist.

[(Anonymous)]

Gordon White in his latest podcast also talks about demonic possession due to the refusal to confront death and dreamtime or acknowledge the forces in the world

https://thegodabovegod.com/apocalypse-gnosis-modern-magic-the-return-of-dreamtime/

[(Anonymous)]

It's strange, but I’ve felt a similar thing. No demons or voices, but a decision out of the blue to just get the vax popped into my head along with a sense of pleasurable relief and relaxation (a wight off my shoulders – wow, I just noticed that Freudian slip, and it was a genuine slip that I picked up on re-reading before posting, but I think I should leave it given the context) at that 'decision'.

Here are my thoughts on the matter and where I've landed since:

I thought it was odd at the time, but on considering the matter some more I fell easily enough back into my previous position of rejecting this particular vax, for this particular illness, at this particular time.

I remain unvaxxed, and I'm not planning on it either. I don't know for sure which way to go, so I figure I'll wait and see what happens.

The cold-blooded, lizard-brained, rationalist in me is happy racing to be second after waiting a while longer to see what happens. And the hot-blooded recalcitrant in me is happy to simply refuse to obey in the meantime, and to die as a consequence of that decision if that proves necessary or if God/chance wills it.

Why? Well, to be honest, I simply don't like this ‘machine’ that we live in, and I like it less and less all the time. Plus, I simply don't trust the mentality of the cohort of people that created this virus and their ‘solution’ for it. In fact, I really don't like them either come to think of it. I’d have to think very seriously about dying just to spite them rather than take their 'medicine' if it came to that.

Clearly there is a lot of pressure though from the 'powers that be' and society to conform, so it makes sense to me that people will experience a sensation of peace/relief through surrender to that power.

I'm a recalcitrant though. Surrender isn't something I tend to do easily. For better or worse, I guess whatever is happening isn’t strong enough to overcome my nature.

So that's my take on it. On the spiritual side of things, I'm sure demons are at play, as they always are. In the mundane world that I mostly inhabit, the demons are real, and I'm not listening to them either.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm rereading your old posts, and came across one I think relevant, in light of the demonic influence hypothesis: "Bah Humbug", which can be found here. https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/7335.html

This was prompted by a weird observation you had (which I also remember having, and several commenters also noted), that the old Christian Christmas songs suddenly vanished, and in their wake was even worse holiday glurge than the usual. I remember in the Christmas season of 2017 wondering where all the old Christmas music had went; and you also noticed it as well. I had no clue what to make of it at the time, but it makes sense in light of this hypothesis: religious music is a traditional way of dealing with demons, and so of course the demons (who had a substantial influence over the managerial class by this time) would have wanted to get rid of that threat to them....