Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Can anyone figure out what was meant in Biden's speech when there was talk of getting the governors out of the way? The feds don't have that power, do they?

[open_space]

Perhaps he was just trying to sound forceful by managing appearances? His mandate is ridiculous and doesn't seem to be catching up the momentum and has already been blocked in some states if I recall correctly. So I think it was an empty threat as a desperation move.

Dr Jessica Rose vars update

[(Anonymous)]

Hi all,

I posted this in the last covid thread but thought it should be repeated again given its importance.

Dr Rose has done a deep dive into vars cases and provided an update on her YouTube channel.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MViwU3XOo

I strongly recommend watching it. Its strictly data based and probably the best way to influence anybody you know thinking of getting jabbed.

She implies towards the end not directly that ADE might be happening as the vaccines might be reducing the immunity of the vaccinated. If that is the case, Johns theory might be proven true this winter.

Moar synchronicity...

[(Anonymous)]

So, was watching this little segment from GB News featuring Neil Oliver. At 0:22 it shows a government lockdown propaganda poster. In the bottom left it is supposed to say "Keep working safe."

But it says "...woking..."

I swear, you just can't make this stuff up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdgoGf2JATA

Re: Moar synchronicity...

[temporaryreality]

I think Woking is a place name (see the sign above the placard). (sorry to be a joykiller here)

Jerm Warfare

[(Anonymous)]

Jerm has a newsletter just out, "Don't Resign"-- en excerpt:

"There are multiple lawsuits coming, so hang in there if you're worried about your job security if you choose against being injected with a fake vaccine that has zero long-term safety trials and doesn't even protect you (which is why Big Pharma is now recommending infinite booster shots, meaning one every year forever and ever, amen).

"Being forced into unemployment because of your choice to remain free from the clotshot, is a violation of the Constitution (in South Africa). Employers - like Discovery - know this, and are playing a very smart game of chess right now.

https://war.jermwarfare.com/w/8oPgncc1ddKWVAA9QcTN6w/f6eU48KLicrvTXoLWsGXTg/sY4763fL1V892LFLBZLC48DRcQ

Vermilion Giddy Aardvark

[cluelesshonky]

Does anybody know why the data within the PHE “Vaccine Surveillance Report” is so different from the data in the PHE “Variant Technical Briefings”? (PHE is Public Health England). I admittedly don’t know why they are different.

Undoubtedly, the data within the "Technical Briefings" looks dramatically more dire for the medium-term effects of being fully vaxxed in England. The % of fully vaxxed who are hospitalized and dying in England is rising fast.

Perhaps more importantly, it's rising even faster than the fully vaxxed's proportional representation of the whole population.

I GUESS that the difference between the PHE's data-sets may be caused by one or a combination of these two things:

1) The “Vaccine Reports” cover data from all variants, whereas the “Variant Briefings” cover only data from the Delta variant.

2) The “Vaccine Reports” cover all cumulative data from the last 36 weeks. The “Variant Briefing” data is also cumulative back to Feb 1st. But in my chart (and spreadsheet from which I derived the chart), I segregate out the most recent data-sets. So the percentages I display in my chart are specific to more recent, narrowly defined time periods.

As I say in my blog, “This is the crux of the problem: too much data these days fails to segregate the most recent data from past data…. So it fails to provide an accurate picture of change. “

If it is true as many of us suspect – that over time the vaccines shift from being a medical support to more and more of a medical liability – then we need to beware of so many cumulative data-sets that lump the new data in with the old, drowning out any potential new signal in the past noise.

Granted, if we are to do this, then we need to ensure that any trends that we spot truly continue over a period of new data-sets. This is what I attempted to do with my blog.

I am not sure how to post the chart here, but it can be seen on my blog post “The Mainstream Narrative is Putting Lives at Risk” : https://cluelesshonky.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-mainstream-narrative-is-putting.html

The spreadsheet which I used to create the chart within that blog-post is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AQgsHB6PBaw8-5g-eAKdhsurj9nEeIKp9YRhBrF18_Q/edit?usp=sharing

I created the spreadsheet to 1) segregate out the newer data-sets from the old, and 2) calculate percentages. Other than that, all information on the spreadsheet comes directly from the PHE “Technical Briefings” linked to below.

“Vaccine Surveillance Reports”:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf

”Variant Briefings”:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

Thanks for the space to hold this conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for doing this. Did you take out the number of cases? I see hospitalizations and deaths, but not cases.

It looks like for the three sets you have here that 1 dose >21 days provides the best protection.

Covid vaccine passports in BC

[(Anonymous)]

The BC system of covid passports is shaping up to be really obnoxious. In particular:
-there is no exemption for people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. So they're just banned from all these venues until January, assuming the system isn't extended. Discriminatory much?
-It is based on smartphones, or you can print out a piece of paper. If you don't have a printer or a smart phone, who cares about you?

Vaccinated, but not impressed with the idea of vaccine passports or the way they're being implemented.

Re: Covid vaccine passports in BC

[stcathalexandria]

It's going to turn in to a social credit system anyway by January. So yes technically the vaccine passport will go away then, but you'll get something "better".

[open_space]

I did not know the police were manifesting but it makes sense regarding what was suggested regarding institutions being understaffed

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/09/13/lapd-employees-sue-city-as-police-across-us-rally-against-covid-vaccine-mandates/?sh=7cfa21424aa0

Health care workers walking away

[(Anonymous)]

I was speaking with an acquaintance this past weekend discussing a staff shortage at the school I teach at. She said that the same problem existed at the medical center she worked at in a nearby small town. They had recently closed their ICU because 20% of the staff (I was unclear whether she meant total staff for the center, ICU staff, nursing staff, etc.) had left rather than submit to the mandatory vaccination. I think its pretty telling that medical staff would leave rather well-paying jobs that required a significant investment in preparation for them, than to allow themselves to be vaccinated.

Is anyone else seeing this or similar trends in their regions or occupations? I suspect that it wouldn't take very many cases like this before we start to see significant disruptions in a number of the systems that support our society! Particularly, but not exclusively in medicine.

I'm a teacher by trade and there is a significant possibility that our school will require vaccinations. I'm not sure if we will have the weekly testing option or not. There may be several of us that will wait for them to fire us rather than get vaccinated. That may be another system that breaks down. Again, does anyone else see others that may crack under the pressure for vaccinations?

Re: Health care workers walking away

[(Anonymous)]

It's happening in upstate NY, a hospital is planning to cease delivering babies because of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I went and looked up a graph on vaccinations in the USA. It looks like they peaked in April/ May, give that 5-6 months for the antibodies stimulated by the vaccines to go away, and guess what? October / November, we are mostly back indoors, humidity has dropped and most of the vaccinated do not have anti- covid antibodies . That corresponds to the expectation (that some have suggested) when the narrative will fail as covid cases skyrocket above where they were last year.

Stock Pictures

[(Anonymous)]

Most Mirthful Archdruid,

I love the stock photos you find for these posts...

Lothar von Hakelheber

Re: Stock Pictures

[ecosophia]

Thank you. I simply go looking for images of people, alone or in groups, as upset and concerned as most of us are. It seems appropriate!

The science

[(Anonymous)]

For a bit of light relief I stumbled across this product today.

Proof the science and funding don't really equal feasible answers every time and that jewellery should remain in the domain of the artisans for a little longer


https://medeng.jpl.nasa.gov/covid-19/pulse/

How you get pandemic of unvaccinated and don't have to count vaccine injuries

[stcathalexandria]

Here's an eyeopener from a nurse who works at a rural Alaskan hospital https://twitter.com/AxelSavage4/status/1437624425281511429?s=20

(copied and pasted parts of the thread)

Apparently all patients are asked whether or not they received the #CV19 vax, no matter what issue it is that brought them into the ER.
If the patient received the vax less than 14 days prior, they are recorded as "Un-Vaxxed"
The story the nurses are being given, is that this is done because the vax takes 14 days to start working. The FT ER nurse my wife talked to last night has a different theory:
It has been her observation that most patients coming in with what appears to be vaccine injuries are coming in within 72 hours of receiving the jab. By recording these patients as "Un-Vaxxed" they can do a few things:
- one, they can claim those vax injuries are a result of Covid & not the shot
- two, they can bury the vaccine injury
- three, they get to claim there's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated"
It also turns out that nurses are being required to sign nondisclosure agreements, promising not to publicly discuss any procedures dealing with #CV19

So if this is true, it's a pandemic of recently vaccinated (maybe some of these people who are sneaking in third shots??) whose symptoms look like Covid.

Every country that starts vaccinations campaigns see huge spikes in cases so it sure looks like the vaccines cause positive Covid tests and Covid-like symptoms.

Re: How you get pandemic of unvaccinated and don't have to count vaccine injuries

[(Anonymous)]

Somewhat relatedly, any charts I've seen that parse the adverse reactions data from sources such as Vaers, seem to show a steep spike centered on the first three days, followed by a long but diminishing tail over time. This is especially obvious when charting deaths. If what you say is happening is actually happening, this would hide a lot of very problematic data. And, more to the point, it would appear to shift blame to an area that doesn't deserve it.

[(Anonymous)]

An interesting data point regarding the vaccination, its relation to karma etc.:

For background, I regrettably received the vaccine back in May/June (Pfizer, second dose on June 3rd). It was required by my job at the time at a medical institution. I'm a very healthy, active 27 year old guy, so even before wising up to the COVID narrative I honestly did not think it was necessary for me, but got it anyway due to professional/social pressure.

In short, the first two decades of my life were spent grappling with familial-inflicted trauma which inevitably led me to practicing theurgy at a young age. Shortly afterwards, through a series of synchronicities I ended up working very closely with a college professor throughout my undergraduate studies and years afterwards. Throughout our time working together, we both regularly experienced synchronicities involving one another; and he generously provided me with a platform to alchemize the lead of my previous suffering in to academic publications critiquing the reductive approaches of modern materialist psychology. I can divulge further details supporting this if anyone is curious, but essentially I strongly believe I have significant karmic ties with this person.

After showing up to Walgreens for my appointment to get my first jab, I was sitting down filling out the required paperwork, and looked up to see my professor, who I had not seen in about 18 months. We had a brief conversation and he said he had been thinking of me recently, as he released a piece referencing our work and had been trying to email me but could not (my previous email was disabled). We had a great conversation, but the entire occurrence struck both of us as odd. For the record, this was one of MANY vaccination locations in a densely populated city of 185,000, so the odds are pretty low.

What exactly all of this means I really have no idea, but it certainly strikes me as somehow significant. Perhaps I am just looking for cause for false optimism, but to run in to this person who has so positively (and synchronously) affected my overall life trajectory seems promising to me. What do you all think? Could there be some etheric/astral/karmic component to the vaccine, adverse reactions, and/or COVID as a whole?

Frater S.A.M.

[youngelephant]

Interesting story.

I got an impression of some kind of astral web surrounding the vaccinated a couple days ago. I don't know what the nature of the web is.

But if you take karma as a metaphysical cause and effect, then there will be karma from any action. If you tie in all the astral consciousness surrounding vaccines then one can guess at interconnectedness the vaccinated are forming from this mass action.

My guess is the vaccine forms some kind of structure of identification on the astral plane linking up all the vaccinated. Reifying identities is a defect of most humans. The bonds would be strengthened by any vaccine related emotion or action that goes in line with the mainstream narrative. Any virtue signaling or negative emotion directed at the unvaccinated would strengthen the bonds. Also, the opposites of the last sentence might have a similar effect.

One might be allotted karma to the extent one is connected to the web and to the extent the actions of all those in the web negatively impact the cosmos.

This is my personal conjecture/random spare minutes meditation so YMMV. It's formed on the basis that karma as we normally think of it is a binding astral phenomena which is something I've intuited from my readings but haven't seen anyone outright say. Well it's pretty much outright said in Eros and Magic in the Renaissance. I do know that karma exists on other planes, and I haven't given any thought on how that might play in.

[(Anonymous)]

For those of us who have the misfortune to live in Ontario, I think things are about to get a lot more serious here. Our government is trying to gauge support for jailing people for question the narrative.

lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-premier-doug-fords-chief-pollster-asks-citizens-if-they-support-jailing-those-who-spread-disinformation-about-covid-19/

[(Anonymous)]

"One of the more shocking questions was asking citizens if they “support police and health officials being authorized to separate” people by “removing [them] from [their] homes and housing them somewhere else?”"

Well, does anyone remember the conspiracy theories about sending the unvaxxed to camps? It almost sounds like Ontario is considering implementing that...

NY Judge blocks mandate

[(Anonymous)]

It's crazy how Zerohedge has become one of the top sources for information this past year.

NY Judge blocks mandate for healthcare workers

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/federal-judge-blocks-new-york-state-health-care-worker-vaccination-mandate

Re: NY Judge blocks mandate

[(Anonymous)]

Shortly after this, another one: a State Supreme Court judge issued a temporary restraining order preventing the NYC DOE from enacting its vaccine mandate for all teachers and other employees. A coalition of city labor unions had filed suit challenging the mandate. The order holds until the court date on the 22nd (the DOE was/is set to block noncompliant employees beginning on the 28th). So we'll see, but it's good to see the courts agreeing to hear these challenges.

J.

Shortages on Shelves

[stcathalexandria]

If people can post unusual shortages of items and their general area, might help people prepare.

For me in PA, I can't get shocks for my Honda Civic going on four weeks. Took it in for inspection in August and I'm now driving with an expired inspection sticker :-( Bad shocks aren't dangerous, but they do need replaced.

Stopped at IKEA last week and the bottom half of the store with all the grab and go items had entire shelf units removed every 10-20 feet. There are now huge gaping areas on the selling floor. What is out is a lot less assortment of items and filling in with what they have more of. So for instance dish towels which used to be two sides of one shelf display with many varieties is now spread out over three shelf displays and all three display the same towels. Very weird!

(Not sure JMG if you want shelf shortages here in the Covid post and if not, please delete.)

Re: Shortages on Shelves

[(Anonymous)]

Three items related to shortages. In the same week my wife's alternator bit the dust, my catalytic converter was brazenly stolen overnight, on the street right in front of my house. Apparently this is happening so often the past year my insurance company has hired a third party to deal with it. Her car was in the shop for an extra week, on top of the usual repair time, because the mechanic couldn't get a hold of a replacement alternator. After waiting some time I finally told him to go with a more expensive OEM part, and took the price hit. Much more expensive than it should have been. Same with the catalytic converter. Took extra time to track down a replacement, and the mechanic said I lucked out with timing as it was. The week after part prices were due to go up by double digit percentages. I asked both mechanics about these shortages, and they said they were regular occurrences lately.

Unrelated to cars, I purchases a few ceramic hanging baskets for strawberries. I've used fiber baskets for years, but I'm tired of replacing them as the birds pull them apart for nests pretty quickly. The pots I got were glazed blue, but the bottoms were not. Nothing a bit of spray paint wouldn't fix. I went to lowes to pick up some cans, and the cage of paint was 85% empty. When I went to get a few new drip irrigation mister nozzles, the whole irrigation section had been rearranged and condensed and the selection was significantly smaller than even 2 months ago.

[(Anonymous)]

U.S. Army says personnel must submit to experimental gene therapy by 18 December 2021.

It could be done a lot faster than this. I wonder if the Army, like many of us, anticipates the Narrative blowing up in 4-8 weeks? If so, setting the deadline that far out harms no one and gets Biden off the Joint Chiefs’s backs. Pushing enforcement of the latest silly management fad way out is a time-honored way of getting the silly managers to leave you in peace.

—Lady Cutekitten

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, that's a relief for them; it was going to be September 15th (i.e. today) per the Secretary of Defense:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pentagon-pulls-trigger-all-troops-ordered-get-covid-vaccine-sept15

h/t https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/140421.html?page=7#comments, Anonymous at 2021-08-10 01:11 am (UTC).

Like someone else above said, ZeroHedge is one of the best places to get heads-ups on news, for awhile. Yeah, the host has his biases and you have to take him with that grain of salt. That said, I heard about coronavirus in the first place on ZH in late January, while the MSM were still snoozing.

- Cicada Grove

[(Anonymous)]

The narrative is crumbling in the UK - here is a clip from a mainstream breakfast show. They are comparing the data from 12 September 2020 to the same day in 2021.
Last year there were 18 Covid deaths, and 218 hospitalizations. This year - 56 deaths and 1,000+ hospitalisations. The celeb Doctor is asked why when there were no vaccines last year?

All he can do is waffle to maintain the official narrative.

https://twitter.com/Gerard38delaney/status/1437502532616691718

However, the cognitive dissonance is still very strong. When the jabbed end up in hospital, the usual refrain is "I would have died without the jab."

[(Anonymous)]

I have had this discussion before. The standard pro-vax answer to this question is "It's because Delta is more serious than last year's COVID, and without the vaccine the numbers would be even worse now"

(notwithstanding the fact that the amount of testing now - especially compulsory testing of healthy teenagers in schools - is off the scales compared to last year, plus other factors) .

Fauci picture

[(Anonymous)]

Came across this picture of Fauci in my internet travels today. Apparently it's originally from a Guardian article - https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/10f7a10d3919723f2727f299ddee741db1f5da50/97_695_8494_5097/master/8494.jpg?width=1020&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=3df8728f7730197cad3af34ed3a9e4b6

It's one of those what-on-earth-are-they-thinking kind of pictures. I could instantly think of half a dozen negative connotations:

- the colour and nature of the steel reminds of the Terminator
- the spikes on the right look like weapons aimed at Fauci
- the framing makes the steel look like archangel wings, only made of steel
- alternatively, the steel is enclosing Fauci. Looks like a cocoon or a coffin. You can picture him leaning back and being totally enclosed in steel
- the hands crossed as if his hands are tied or being pulled in opposite directions
- the right hand out of frame inside the steel like he's being pulled into it

I can't see a single thing to like about this photo. Note, I don't live in the US and don't think I've ever seen Fauci speak. I have no opinion on the man beyond the fact that I disagree with the whole direction on corona, so I don't think I'm projecting here. Would be interested to hear other thoughts.

Re: Fauci picture

[violetcabra]

That picture garnered a laugh! The steel is from stacked, modular steel chairs of the sorts they use for seating at big events. Nonetheless, the picture is so, so funny. He certainly looks like he's about to bat for Darth Vadar's team!

[(Anonymous)]

It's really weird when I check Twitter and see people agreeing with me. A newspaper is talking about rising cases in children and how the government might need to shut schools down, and the general consensus: "Oh give it a rest already! Kids are safe from Covid!" If this is reflective of the broader Canadian public, then the narrative is already broken. All that remains is for the politicians to realize it. Which I suppose means that we might get to stage 11 of the original hypothesis very soon....

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1437895753092018177

BC school report

[hearthspirit]

Well, the BC Teacher's Federation never said boo about vaccine mandates, so that's a powerful union that swings the governing provincial party.

They actually even removed social distancing requirements, division into cohorts, and the additional cleaning (notably distancing and extra cleaning were stored at the grocery store, too). Masks are still required at all times for all kids grade four and up (and adults).

"Funnily" enough, on the first day back, I actually saw a kid come out in a black zipper mask. I kept looking back and forth from him to his dad trying to figure out if it was a subtle jibe about how they felt putting a 9 year old in masks all day, but couldn't tell. It was half unzipped, which I arbitrarily decided was a sign that all TPTB talking out of both sides of their mouths will have to start talking out of just the one.

Municipal government, there was also no peep about vaccine mandates. At least one person- up to three one day in a room of ten- at each meeting I've had in September someone present has had a runny nose, rough voice or slight cough, and has been visibly sweating on their face. All but me are of course vaccinated. We have plexiglas barriers between council that make it impossible for us to hear each other without mics on, so we chat off the recording by leaning back and talking about six inches from each other's mouths through the gap in the barrier and frame. Effective WBC engineering solution!

(Possibly when everyone else said they felt the barriers were like being in a study carrel I shouldn't have said "I feel like I'm visiting you all in jail!" then turned to the guy next to me and done my best Anthony Hopkins and said "Tell me about the lambs, Clarrise" but I don't exactly regret it, either...)

[(Anonymous)]

Anyone else find the sanctimonious posturing in the media around how "the vaccinated need to listen the unvaccinated, because that's how they'll convince them to get the shots" really irritating?

[(Anonymous)]

Feels just like the 'teachable moments' we were all subjected to a couple presidents ago.

The Numbers

[(Anonymous)]

The more proficient and dedicated posters who crunch data say we just don't have enough good data, well sorted, and thorough enough, to do apples-to-apples comparisons on the vaccine vs. no vaccine. Our best shot is to go for All Cause Mortality, requiring just two categories, vaxxed or unvaxxed, and maybe age adjusted.
"What the study found was that from March 2020 to January 2021, 36% of Covid cases in the hospital were mild or asymptomatic. From January 2021 to June 2021, during the Delta variant's spread, that number rose all the way to 48%. For vaccinated hospital patients, the number rose to a stunning 57%." From the Veterans study -
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/new-study-suggests-almost-half-all-covid-hospitalizations-january-june-had-mild-or ()
Okay, snapshots aren't conclusive. We aren't looking for conclusive. We will know more later. Some assumptions built in are 1) symptomatic cases ended badly for unvaxxd 2) "Unvaxxd" includes recent jabs (less than 14 days) and probably more...but anyway taking those assumptions or lack of them at face value, all in all (probably, since there are mitigating factors pro and con, like many were already vaxxed in January, even though not a majority), what did they achieve? Assuming they sort of even out, you could look at it as a gain of 21% points corresponding to the rise in vaccinated status, which went from say 25% to 50% of the population, roughly (someone may know better numbers here). Now the ruling assumption on THE OTHER SIDE is that this 12% difference in the vaxxed versus unvaxxed break out equals lives saved. Which we can for sake of argument grant them, if we multiplied whatever that number was by the symptomatic mortality rate.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ ()
According to these numbers, there are 260K new COVID cases today. A 12 point differential in symptomatic vs. asymptomatic is compared against 1800 deaths, so we reduce by 12% of whatever the ratio is between vaxxed/unvaxxd, so lets say 6% (again, this assumes there is an equal ratio between rise in symptoms and mortality, which is not confirmed or known precisely. We know this is inaccurate from the CDC's own data:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html (). Mortality is clustered around AGE, not symptoms - this anecdotally, is why they ran the recent story around Unvaxxed linked to ICU or hospital visit, rather than mortality. But whatever, give them extra numbers). So 108 unnecessary deaths a day, ignoring that it clusters on age, and ignoring elders are more likely to "vax", and assuming we could get them all the vax for the sake of illustration.
Now...this is interesting. We could take this in all kinds of directions, comparing 108 daily deaths against past all cause mortality (again, this favors the vaxxed argument, so I'm comfortable resting my case on it, as we are in "peak" or close to peak Delta, and it doesn't take into account the "paying it forward factor" of losing a lot of people you WON'T lose in the next 2 years (this statistical fact will be used to claim the vaccine "worked"). So stick to pre-2020 All Cause Mortality as against present. I previously calculated or estimated that All Cause is up by roughly close to the 600K figure. However, taking in another direction, you factor in iatrogenic error/nosocomial infection/malpractice (300K deaths a year in good ole USA, Britain admits to 10K GETTING COVID in hospital, etc.), and you're still not sure exactly what you're seeing. How many people died because they WENT to the hospital? Where this gets really interesting is the ALL CAUSE MORTALITY breakout and what you're allowing possibility for, which I think the net should be strict but broad and wide.
I don't think this old Irish funeral home undertaker is consciously lying:
https://thereisnopandemic.net/2021/09/08/deaths-jumped-250-when-injections-began-lindie-naughton-interviews-funeral-director-john-olooney/ ()
Still, someone can say the rise in deaths happened to occur because we got the vaccine just a little too late...there are a lot of special pleading arguments going on when parsing data on the Vax side of things. But even so, the ONE actual scientific study we have that is Phase 3, double blind, placebo controlled, for 8 months, by Pfizer itself, shows that 20 vaxxed died ALL CAUSE, and 14 placebo. So, as the commenter put it, we killed 7 people to save 1 person. This SHOULD SHOW UP IN ALL CAUSE MORTALITY. I can't imagine them faking the data on this one, and if they did, it's actually much worse.
https://www.skirsch.com/covid/TFNT4.pdf ()
Bottom line - vaccine will decrease risk of short term mortality from being classed as COVID (assuming they even test you), and certainly of social shaming or losing your job. Beyond that, the All Cause doesn't look very good, from where I stand. And I am hearing more and more local anecdotal stories. Of course, even this can be spun nicely. After all, the death rate while appalling by American standards (of yore anyway), is still relatively low for any including the very ancient of days. And since your risk of VAERs is (for now) a "known" low (although undoubtedly higher than they will tell you), statistically, you will probably survive being vaxxed and even infected, no matter what. Victory! But you would have only increased your chances 12% or so from turning symptomatic and risking social shame of being an ICU case. But we can afford them the 12% number (again, that's why they ran the article this way - https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/cdc-unvaccinated-5-times-more-likely-get-covid-19 ()). What we are interested in is real deaths, not hospital operating costs (they are paying 600 dollar shift bonuses in many places for over time). It's the all cause that will give you apple-to-apples, since the disparity caused by only the older cohort being vaxxed is disappearing and we can compare all cause across the spectrum of age. This additionally shifts it away from a Corona-based argument (if you are vaxxed, and never tested, but die from something tangentially related to Corona, possibly, are you a "stat" or not?), and into more known and calm waters. We can QED the hidden ADE later (based on work now), maybe all what we need to know right now for the Jab are All Cause apples-to-apples comparisons from previous years and going forward, adjusted for the fact mortality will DROP some now due to herd culling of the vulnerable, from here on out. We will probably know much, much more by December...especially if they approve it for children. That may be truly a bridge too far, as ANY shift in all cause in that group will show up quickly and have few competitors to screen out. Going on the record, with a hat tip to JMG and Mark L, I will put my chips on ADE immune tolerance being the biggest factor going forward for the vaxxed. Thanks to all those who are doing the hard work of sorting difficult scientific papers and looking for the wave hidden in the surf. - Celadon

Re: The Numbers

[(Anonymous)]

Addendum: It's interesting that when they "fact check" the embarrassing data,
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccinated-idUSL2N2OD2CJ
the assumption seems to be, "well, old people just die at 5 times the rate that younger people do". This ignores the decade distinctions (90 year old has much, much higher rate than, say, 70 year old, who is not assuming they will die at 5 times the rate of a young person), and it also relies on a tacit argument of, "well, the rate of vax death is still very low" - but then, equally, the rate of death from virus is even lower! Again, these blunderations should get ironed out (infallibly) in the all-cause stats, which are much harder to "spin", as long as we know vaxxed/unvaxxed. - Celadon

(bows low to JMG in thanks, and apologies for messing up url code - assuming form of Phosphorescent Refulgent Unicorn)

Using Magic for COVID 19

[dennismichaelsawyers]

If it demons that are influencing things and not a deity, doesn't that mean that lots of people performing magic have a much better chance of positively influencing the pandemic and avoiding the worst outcome?

[(Anonymous)]

For those that do audio or video, both are available, a great podcast by Dr. Peter McCullough, Texas USA, on Covid treatment, protocols, vaccines, the impacts etc the whole nine yards, his conclusion is quite an eye opener and mirrors what quite a few of us think of the situation.

Very articulate, calm and to the point.

In my modest opinion a worthwhile watch.

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/peter-mccullough