Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[ecosophia]

I'd like to ask a favor of the biomedically literate. I have two questions about the coronavirus situation for which I am having trouble finding hard answers, and I'd be grateful for anyone who can point me to reputable sources for either one.

First, if in fact the vaccines cause excess deaths through ADE or any other mechanism, we can expect that information to be kept out of broadcast and social media. One place in which it might show up, however, is in changes in crude death rates. An anomalous rise in deaths might have many causes, of course, but it could provide advance warning of the crisis phase. Can anyone point me to good and frequently updated sources for crude death rates for nations that have had high rates of vaccination?

Second, has anyone actually run tests to see how long the vaccine-generated spike proteins remain detectable in the bloodstream of the vaccinated? I've seen a great deal of handwaving on all sides, brandishing around theoretical claims of various kinds, but evidence from actual blood tests of vaccinated persons are another matter. Since the spike protein causes blood clotting, knowing how long it can be detected in the bloodstream of the vaccinated is important for gauging what problems to look for in the population.

Many thanks for your help!

[escorcher]

This links to excess mortality in percentage terms from several year average. You can chose which countries to compare. Raw data reliability is variable I suspect, as is how up to date it is - looks pretty good for more developed countries though e.g. UK figures only 3 weeks or so behind the current date: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=BRA~ECU~PRY~NIC~COL

[ahriman]

Excess mortality in England:

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

You will need to dedicate some time to understand it - the charts are not very intuitive.

Also, consider... the US for mortality
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Provisional-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-S/muzy-jte6

You will need to give it a few weeks of lag to stabilize - there are cases that will change classification. Be careful with interpreting recent weeks.

[(Anonymous)]

The excess deaths in the UK link lets you sort by cause of death, so you can look up heart failure and strokes and diabetes.

I second the warning that the charts are not intuitive.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the best chart of all cause deaths that I have found for the US, and it also classifies based on attribution to covid or not. It runs about a month behind, and the most recent weeks *always* appear to show a decline which disappears as more death reports are received and entered. Of course the CDC could start messing with the data if they have a good reason to.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

I don't have any answers as to duration of spike detection.

Mark L

[ahriman]

One more, Euromomo, but you don't get cause breakdown:

https://www.euromomo.eu/

[(Anonymous)]

Absent hard data, the point at which immunity begins its decline after vaccination may be an approximate proxy for the spike protein.

rabtter

[(Anonymous)]

Which brings me to, I think Iceland is too good to be true which makes me think some kind of underhanding is behind the curtins.

[(Anonymous)]

Compare Iceland with a chart of Israel, along with their respective vaccination timelines. Countries that vaccinate a majority of their population at once seem to experience a wave of infection coinciding with vaccination (likely due to short term suppression of immunity), a "happy valley" of very low cases during the 3-4 months of peak vaccine efficacy, and then a larger wave as immunity wanes. I think Iceland is still in the happy valley phase.

Mark L

[(Anonymous)]

Which month was Iceland vaccinated? Was the population generally vaccinated at a latter month than Israel?

immune's response to natural infection can clear spike toxicity?

[(Anonymous)]

For whatever it's worth, I was vaccinated in April & feel I was harmed with symptoms mirroring covid or long-haul covid. Then in September (5 months post single dose Pfizer) I got what I believe was covid. After laying in bed for 5 days fighting off a fever and trying not to start coughing, then a few more days of being too weak to walk up stairs, etc. etc. Anyways when I'd fully recovered from covid I felt fully better since having been vaxxed. My hypothesis is that my immune systems natural response to a natural infection cleared up the lingering adverse effects of the vaccine, too.

[(Anonymous)]

A few things to consider is that, terminal disseased states like Soviet Union and Ceausescu' Romania and other cases always fudge the numbers.

I think is better watch someone who is experienced with statistical anomalies, during the election there were some mentions of Bradford law, etc

[team10tim]

Hey hey JMG,

2nd question, duration of spike proteins,

I don't think anyone has an answer on this one. Here is the best that I could do:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/FDA-2021-P-0460-0001/attachment_1.pdf

From: May 16th 2021

Enclosed is a Citizen Petition filed on behalf of Children’s Health Defense by Meryl
Nass, M.D., Scientific Advisory Board member, and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Board Chair and
Chief Litigation Counsel, requesting that the FDA revoke Emergency Use Authorizations for
existing COVID vaccines and refrain from approving and licensing them.

...

16. Other problems with vaccine safety assessment may exist because of inadequate
animal toxicology and pharmacokinetic studies of COVID vaccines. Animal experiments failed to
measure the quantity, duration and organ distribution of spike protein production. The animal
experiments, incomprehensibly, failed to inject the actual vaccine to be tested during certain
pharmacokinetic and toxicology tests. For example, in study 2.6.5.5B, only 2 of the 4 lipid
nanoparticle (LNP) components were labeled and injected into rats, and their distribution and
persistence in many organs were assessed at animal necropsy, from 15 minutes to 48 hours post-
injection. For most organs, at 48 hours the amount of the two LNP components in each organ was
still increasing. Thus, the ultimate distribution and persistence of the LNPs are unknown. And we
have no information regarding duration and persistence of the mRNA or spike protein production
in organs based on this study. 14

The study referenced #14 is in Japanese and I'm afraid that I can't read it. Anyone else want to parse it down for us?

https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/

As far as I can tell, the research to determine how long the Spike protein persists (and how long it is produced for). However, it looks like the lipid nano particles (LNPs) concentration is still growing after 48 hours in some areas of the body other than the muscle it was injected into:



Thanks,
Tim

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, clipped sentence.

As far as I can tell, the research to determine how long the Spike protein persists (and how long it is produced for) hasn't been done.

[(Anonymous)]

JMG, Alex Berenson, before being banished from Twitter, had a tweet to the effect that "all cause mortality" was at least 10% higher in the UK over the summer months after having been below average earlier in the year. As Berenson rightfully pointed out, the lower number pre-vaccination was likely influenced by those that had succumbed to the first wave of the pandemic, which were very morbid, on average. Their deaths were in effect "pulled forward." Thus, the higher rate of mortality was alarming and coincided with the vaccine rollout. Apparently the UK and Scotland publish this data and I've seen it cited for Israel, as well.

[(Anonymous)]

And here we come to the demonic possession, the possessed always attack those that want to show the real situation, they want to stay as much as possible in the sweet spot of the bargain with the daemon.

[(Anonymous)]

FT's coronavirus tracker includes some analysis on excess deaths: https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

Googling the source "karlinsky and kobalt world mortality" got me a few papers. Ultimately I found the raw data here: https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality

I'd recommend checking out the papers as well, this is where I got the github link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7852240/.

This is something that's been pre-packaged to make specific arguments about Covid, but mortality data has been around for a while. It's always been reported by national and international statistical agencies. At least from my quick glance at the paper, their sources seem to be the usual suspects.

[(Anonymous)]

I've also been thinking about crude death rates. The problem with any official numbers is that than can be censored. So I started looking for death notices published on various sites.

It's not very scientific and probably needs to be done at a local level. But it is unlikely to be interfered with. A spike in deaths in under 70s would be a sign of trouble.

[emmanuelg]

Here's a link which indicates that the spike proteins are undetectable to the single molecule level 14 days after vaccination;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/05/210526185844.htm

Perhaps we can see what will happen in Denmark, now that all COVID restrictions have been lifted there. A very high percentage of its population has been vaccinated, so the high vaccination rate along with no restrictions on movement could tell us whether the vaccine is preventing illness, or enhancing it in some way;

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/denmark-lifts-covid-restrictions-crediting-high-vaccine-uptake-rcna1967

Re: Detectable Spike Protein

[oakbayou]

Hi JMG,

I second the suggestion to use Our World in Data for excess death figures.

As for studies looking for detectable spike protein in vaccinated individuals, there's this:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075

13 individuals without previous COVID symptoms or confirmed infection had blood plasma analyzed during the vaccination process. The study found that spike protein antigens were undetectable by the 15th day after the first injection, and by day 2 after the second injection (which took place 29 days after the first injection). It also shows the measurable presence of antibodies for those spike proteins post-vaccination.

Here's the relevant part:
"S1 antigen was detected as early as day 1 postvaccination, and peak levels were detected on average 5 days after the first injection (Figure 1A). The mean S1 peak level was 68 picograms/milliliter ± 21 pg/mL. S1 in all participants declined and became undetectable by day 14. No antigen was detected at day zero for 12 of 13 participants, as expected. However, one individual presented detectable S1 on day zero, possibly due to assay cross-reactivity with other human coronaviruses or asymptomatic infection at the time of vaccination.
Spike protein was detectable in 3 of 13 participants an average of 15 days after the first injection. The mean spike peak level was 62 pg/mL ± 13 pg/mL. After the second vaccine dose, no S1 or spike was detectable, and both antigens remained undetectable through day 56. For one individual (participant 8), spike was detected at day 29, 1 day after the second injection and was undetectable 2 days later."

Spike protein production longevity

[lunarapprentice]

JMG, there is something on this (longevity of spike protein production in the vaccinated). There is a recent peer-reviewed study that shows that the mRNA injection elicits production for at least 5 months after the date of injection, and that they are produced not just in the arm (in the vicinity of the injection site), but in many regions throughout the body. These phenomena were observed in 6 out of 6 subjects randomly selected from a cohort of several thousand who had received one of the covaxes. I’ve been looking for the reference; I’m certain I commented on this on one of your blogs earlier this year and included the reference, but for the life of me I can’t find it now.

If you could do a phrase search for “5 months” or “five months” or “six out of six” or “6 out of 6”, globally across comments in both your blogs for 2021, I’m sure there would be a very short list that has the reference. I don’t know if this is useful. Sorry.

—Lunar Apprentice

Re: Spike protein production longevity

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, Lunar Apprentice:\

I saved that post because it intrigued me so.
It was on the Open Post, From https://www.ecosophia.net/july-2021-open-post/.

- - -
Helix says:
July 28, 2021 at 2:35 pm

markl #2 — Regarding the Covid-19 injectable biological agents, AKA “Vaccines”, you
may be interested in this article:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419713123787808812?refresh=1627326570

The article says, in essence, that researchers found the spike proteins engendered by
the vaccines still circulating five months after vaccination in every one of the
(admittedly small set of) subjects tested. This is potentially very bad news for
people who have been vaxxed, as it is now known that the spike protein is critical
part of Covid-19’s mechanism to cause disease.

One wonders if Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen, etc. knew about the long duration of the spike
proteins during the EUA process, and, if so, why this fact was not disclosed to those
receiving the injections. If not, why not? Gauging the quantity, distribution, and
duration of active components of vaccines is essential to the vaccine development and
approval process.

Either way, this is not a good look. It’s either incompetence or duplicity, and it’s
hard to see a scenario in which the regulators were either lied to or are complicit.
One hopes that vaccine recipients won’t pay the price.

- - -

The ThreadReaderApp link is still live, I just checked.

- Cicada Grove

Re: Spike protein production longevity

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for this! Now, I did at the time track down a more solid source reference, and I'm pretty sure I referenced that in one of JMG's blogs. I'll see if I can find it again.

--Lunar Apprentice

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a biomedically literate, but I know this source about the deaths happened in UE.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Anselmo

Oregon Excess Deaths

[(Anonymous)]

JMG, this may be of somewhat limited use since it's just for the state of Oregon, but it turns out that the Oregon Health Authority maintains a pretty excellent record (https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/oha.center.for.health.statistics/viz/OregonHealthAuthorityCenterforHealthStatisticsWeeklydeathgraph/Dash-weeklydeaths) of the state's overall mortality rate, compares against the five year average to generate excess mortalities, and even compares that to the state's recorded Covid deaths. It's pretty perfect and updated frequently; currently the data is through September 4th. I'm not sure how much revision happens to past weeks as the year goes on.

Interestingly, as it happens, it is showing a pretty big upswing in deaths over the month of August. Partly that can be explained by an upswing in deaths from Covid as we are in the midst of our biggest spike yet. However, that only partly accounts of it. Since August 1st, we have gone from 158 excess deaths in a week compared to the five year average, with 43 attributable to Covid, to 370 excess deaths in a week at the end of August/beginning of September with 140 attributable to Covid. Might just be noise but will be interesting to see how the trend develops.

The one thing missing, and that I haven't been able to find, is a layering in of cause of death data outside of Covid. I did find some cause of death data elsewhere but it was not compared against the five year average and the categories were quite broad, with most deaths falling under "Natural Causes." It would be helpful to see something more fine-grained to be able to look for signals clustered around heart issues and clotting.

I wonder how many other states have this kind of record, especially with the useful excess mortality rates and comparisons to Covid deaths?