Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 53

[ecosophia]

As we move into the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

(Yes, the change in image theme reflects that; the earlier sequence served its purpose. With a nod to El Gato Malo (1, 2, 3), the posts to come will be headed by thoughtful memes relevant to the Covid mess. Yes, I'll take nominations -- you can post links in the thread.)

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you so much very, JMG, and all forumistas.

I am heartened to see this forum moving into new and, I believe, very necessary territory.

"what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries"?

The first thing that occurs to me: it's very possible that a lot of medical services and supplies that I took for granted simply will not be available anymore, or will be so degraded that, effectively, they are no longer available. I don't need to use future tense, of course, this is also true of many things medical right now.

Ergo, ramp up first aid skills and supplies.

Of course that is just one on a long list of possibilities. I look forward to reading your posts.

Cetiosaurus

[(Anonymous)]

Here in Canada we are starting to see the health system under a lot of strain, it seems to have become worse over the past couple of years. Emergency rooms even in major cities are closing on the weekend, the latest was a hospital in Ottawa over this past weekend I believe. Due to staffing shortages, vacations and Covid, they say.

I haven't heard anything about medical supply shortages.

I can't help but imagine a scenario where people turn to alternative health care out of desperation if things get worse with the health care system. I'm going to take a first aid course, and I've been learning about alternative health care methods for some time now.

Vaxx Injuries / Adverse Events

[(Anonymous)]

Update

Michelle Jorgenson
First Dose of Moderna 01/16/21 Lot #025L20A
Second Dose of Moderna 02/13/21 Lot #011M20A
San Jose, California

UPDATE 08/08/22:

Since my original post, it has been about 9 months. Since then, I have been diagnosed with High Intracranial Pressure (ICP)/ Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension (IIH) and have have a stent surgically implanted in my head. My doctors still support me that this is caused by the covid-19 vaccine (it even says so in my medical chart). These are the tests that led to this finding: After taking steroids, my vision had become much worse, so my doc ordered another MRI, which found indications of IIH (high brain pressure, narrowing of the blood vessels). That led me to get a spinal tap/lumbar puncture, which found high opening pressure and abnormal oligoclonal bands in the CSF. All tests that followed-up on the abnormal bands were normal, suggesting a sort of "general neuro-inflammation" rather than a specific known disease. I was then prescribed medication to lower my high brain pressure (Diamox) which had a lot of intolerable side effects. I had an angiogram/venogram to find out if I qualified for a surgical stent. I did qualify, and I proceeded to have the surgery. It was done under interventional radiology. The surgery went well, and I am gradually starting to improve. As I write this, it has been one month since the surgery. Immediately I noticed a significant decrease in the brain and body fatigue. I still have double vision, but I can tell that it is improving slowly, and my doctor thinks it may take up to 6 months to fully recover. I have to take blood thinners for 6 months and baby aspirin for the rest of my life due to having metal in my body, but so far it has been a good decision. I am definitely not cured though, and I am scared that the neuro-inflammation could return if I get sick or take another vaccine. The stent was a band-aid solution, it didn't cure the root cause of the inflammation. I believe that research needs to be done on neuro-inflammation following covid vaccine and how to reduce/fight it. I also believe that many people suffering vaccine injury are experiencing neuro-inflammation like me, but that our symptoms show up differently in everyone. My high pressure was not easy to identify in any tests, except for the spinal tap. I would recommend that everyone ask their doctor for a spinal tap to check the opening pressure and to test the CSF fluid itself. I feel like I have stumbled upon something here, and I want it to be pursued so that everyone else can start finally feeling better too.

READ THE ORIGINAL Q & A HERE:
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/michelle-jorgenson

RATHER REMARKABLE

[(Anonymous)]

"MR. MASSIE: I am absolutely saying that what the Secretary of Defense is doing right now is illegal. We know it. I would characterize it as a crime in progress."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHtRpzcm6TI

July 27, 2022. US CONGRESSMAN THOMAS MASSIE ET AL IN THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


TRANSCRIPTION



MR. NADLER, CHAIRMAN: Who seeks recognition? For what purpose does the gentleman from Kentucky seek recognition?

MR MASSIE: I seek to speak on the amendment.

MR. NADLER, CHAIRMAN: The gentleman is recognized.

MR MASSIE: There are just a few things I want to correct in the story or examples that were just given. I think it's been dispelled that the vaccine prevents the spread of covid. I mean, I don't know why we're still saying that. The CDC director has apologized for being wrong about that. The NIH Director has said that he was wrong about that. Literally everybody. Deborah Birx.

VOICE [OFF CAMERA]: Will the gentleman yield?

MR MASSIE: I will yield.

VOICE [OFF CAMERA] : Did Dr. Fauci admit that he was wrong about that as well yet?

MR MASSIE: I believe they've all admitted that.

VOICE [OFF CAMERA]: No way. So they got the vaccine and they got covid.

MR MASSIE: Yes, they've all gotten covid. The President himself is contagious right now even though he's had four shots of the vaccine, and that is why he's staying away from people. So I just take a little bit of issue that we are in a congressional markup still perpetuating this falsehood that was propagated by the pharmaceutical companies that stood to profit by this. They knew it wasn't even true. Their tests with 50,000 people in the trials were designed to explicitly not show whether it did or didn't stop the spread of covid. So I'm just offended that we're still perpetuating that myth when virtually everybody has admitted it was a myth. And the reason we need to acknowledge that is that is the myth that underlies the entire rationalization for kicking somebody out of the military for not taking the vaccine.

MR. ISSA: Will the gentleman yield?

MR MASSIE: I will yield to the gentleman from California.

MR. ISSA: I can' t wait for January 3rd, maybe the 4th, when one of our early HRs restores those those men and women, those brave men and women, who asked for and were denied their valid exemptions, and we restore them to full active duty, which, by the way, will unring the bell of any question of a general or other-than-honorable discharge. And I look forward to working with the gentlemen on that.

MR. MASSIE: I look forward to that, too. They should all be reinstated. None of them should have been given anything less than an honorable discharge at all for this.

And while I've still got time on the clock, I have to mention that the Secretary of Defense issued a statement on August 24th saying that the vaccines that were required and that would be administered, would be the FDA-approved vaccines, and not a single dose of FDA-approved vaccine, aka, Comirnaty, in the case of Pfizer, or Spikevax, in the case of Moderna, not a single dose of that has been to given a single member of the military, as the Secretary of Defense specified. And it was his only legal way to require the vaccine for members of the military was that it was FDA-approved and that the doses that they would receive would be the FDA-approved, legally distinct from the other vaccines that they would receive, and also labeled as such, labeled appropriately. None of those vaccines have been given, yet tens of thousands of members of the military have been kicked out for not taking that vaccine.

US REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Will the gentleman yield?

MR. MASSIE: I yield to the gentleman from North Carolina.

US REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Is the gentleman suggesting that the military engaged in a bait-and-switch and substituted a different vaccine than that which was approved?

MR. MASSIE: I am absolutely saying that what the Secretary of Defense is doing right now is illegal. We know it. I would characterize it as a crime in progress.

MS. LOGREN: Would the gentleman yield?

MR. MASSIE: I'm going to yield to Mr. Tiffany, who's asked—

MR. TIFFANY: I want to make sure I'm clear on this. Are you saying they received the experimental use vaccine?

MR. MASSIE: The emergency use authorization vaccine is all they've received. Not a single member of the military has received the FDA-approved version.

MR. TIFFANY: It's good you're dispelling this notion that's out there, they're getting the FDA-approved vaccines.

MR. MASSIE: There are two notions I want to dispell. And I would the gentlelady time to respond to this. The notion that vaccine stops the spread of covid. Would the gentlelady like to clarify her comments on that?

MS. LOFGREN: Does the gentlemen yield?

MR. MASSIE: I do.

MS. LOFGREN: The point I'm making is that there's activity service members can engage in that we would not find to be egregious. For example, adultery. I mean, I'm not in favor of it, I think it's a sin, but I don't think it's—

MR. MASSIE: I'm reclaiming my time, and I think the gentlelady gave valid examples, but the one that I don't, you know, with all due respect, I don't think it's valid, is to substantiate the disproven notion that the vaccine stops the spread of covid and that would be a reasonable, a reason to give somebody a discharge that's less than honorable. And with that, I yield back.

Re: RATHER REMARKABLE

[(Anonymous)]

So it's a matter of Congressional record, that's good...

-Water Rabbit

[(Anonymous)]

signs of the times:
- over 20 drunk driving tickets issued in a rural area spotted with towns over one weekend
- pregnant woman attacked with brick by stranger while walking with her daughter downtown in broad daylight
- hospitals closing for periods of time due to "staff shortages"
- businesses closing due to staff illnesses
- a weird combo of a glut of certain products (yoghurt - dairy & grassfed) followed by empty shelves (milk - goat, soy)

I don't know if you all noticed the media's coordinated attack with mass publication of the title that goes something like: over half of communicable diseases are made worse by climate change. Together with "fact-checkers" feeble attempts to stem the flow with statements like, "study showing vaccinated are ill and contagious for longer was taken out of context." Followed by twitter trending that we should all expect many more mosquitos in the coming years, to which I can't help but remember our mad scientists' dreams of turning the blood sucking insects into vaccines...

Plenty of freedom flags flying here, too. My 4 times vaccinated parents and grandparents are going along just fine.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I’ve noticed 😉

[(Anonymous)]

I've formulated an extremely troubling hypothesis about what the metaphysical cause of the Covid event might be. It began by noticing that whatever it is that's behind this, it seems to have elements of both a god's curse, and demonic influence, and there is a mythological figure who appears in cultures around the world, under various names, who is somewhere between deity and demon, having features of both, who would be incredibly angry with the existing industrial medical system right now. I'll use the Yoruba name, Shapona, but the figure in question is the god/demon of smallpox. Given that Shapona is somewhere between god and demon, it would fit if his curse had features of both, and after a global totalitarian effort to eliminate smallpox, which included vaccinating people at gunpoint, enforced quarantines and isolation of people who may have been exposed at home, forced medical treatments to reduce symptoms in the infected, and a host of other extreme measures, many of which reappeared in the Covid debacle.

Shapona would have two goals right now: the first one is to get smallpox back in the world, and the second one would be to bring about the destruction of the modern medical system. If she could get smallpox back as a result of the malfeasance of the medical system, then that would be two birds with one stones, and it appears to me that that may end up happening with monkeypox. Monkeypox belongs to a family of viruses known as orthopoxes, and the only known orthopox to have ever infected human beings exclusively or even primarily, was smallpox. There is a real risk, now that monkeypox is in humans, that it will end up evolving into the niche occupied by the last orthopoxvirus in humans, and become the new smallpox. This risk would warrant taking action to stop it while it's spread is limited: but at the moment, the medical system is saying all the actions they could take would be discriminatory against the gay community! For a number of reasons, anal sex is unhygienic compared to other forms of sex, and there are plenty of casual hookups in the gay community, which is an ideal condition for spread. Reducing those kinds of contacts, temporarily, would dramatically reduce the likelihood that monekypox will become endemic to humans, because right now it can't spread very well except for under limited circumstances. But now, after having spent several years micromanaging everyone's lives, they turn around and insist that even telling gay people to avoid orgies for a while would be a civil rights disaster!

Now, the question needs to be asked what's changed to allow monkeypox to spread even in such limited circumstances, when before 2022 there was almost no confirmed cases of community transmission of the disease. The answer, I suspect, is that the Covid vaccines have damaged immune function for most of the people who took them, and this explains monekypox, as well as the wide range of other diseases which are spreading in odd places. If this is the case, then it is a massive case of own goal, likely made worse by the new round of vaccinations against monekypox.

Simply put, the vaccines being used are, somewhat inexplicably, not the ones used against smallpox before its eradication, but a brand new set. You have to look long and hard to find that the vaccine being used in the US, Jynneos, was only approved in 2019 (1), decades after smallpox was eliminated! Those are being used because people experience less side effects, and it appears, based on studies of immune responses, to provide the same kind of protection, but no one knows if it actually works!

There is a very real risk, then, that ADE, OAS, or any of the other ways vaccines cane make infection morel likely will turn up here, in which case the medical system will be facing two self inflicted disasters on their hands, of incredible scale: the first being the Covid debacle, and the second one being that they then helped monekypox make the transition from something which affects a few hundred people at most a year into a global killer on the same scale smallpox was.

I really hope I'm wrong, but it does seem to fit the data a little too well for my tastes. If I'm right, monkeypox will continue to spread, the death rate will creep a little further upwards each week, until eventually we have smallpox 2.0 on our hands; and no one will do anything that will actually slow the spread down until it's far too late.

1: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/smallpox-vaccine

[(Anonymous)]

Woah. So two weird things about that:

1) I posted about the Japanese god of smallpox in response to the "red man" thread last week.

2) I was told only 2 days ago (so this is totally anecdotal, and a 'friend of a friend' story) that a microbiologist daughter of a friend working at an unnamed pharma company was given access to some samples of Sars-Cov-2 in January 2020, and basically said "What the hell is this? Someone has just hybridised the Sars virus, HIV and smallpox together. There is no way this wasn't made in a lab and designed to infect humans". They raised their concerns with their supervisor and were promptly fired. Again, no evidence for this, but pretty strange. I've read sinioar things about the genetic code of the virus being 'unusual', to say the least.

Oh, and my synchronicity meter has been pretty much off the scale for smallpox, caves and Hell the past 2 weeks. Make of that what you will. But when I get synchronicities now, I tend to pay attention, as I write thrm down and the literally *always* mean something within the next month or two.

[(Anonymous)]

I read those posts you linked to by El Gato Malo, and had the strange feeling of where things are on the political pendulum at the moment. I was reminded greatly of reading Adbusters in the late 90s and early 2000s and their instructional guides for "culture jamming".

So if meme-making has reached this stage, then the pendulum between left and right looks to swing the other way, and the establishment and the fringe will reverse themselves once again in a decade or so. I have some misgivings about memes, a great deal of the Adbusters crowd eventually became the establishment, probably without ever intending on it.

On the other hand, you can pack a great deal of powerful criticism in a good meme, as the bad cat explains.

[(Anonymous)]

"What do exercise, deep breathing, cold showers, meditation, visualization, and healthy eating have in common?"

Isn't that obvious? They can all cause heart attack and stroke in anyone at any time. Duh.

And it's always been that way, since time immemorial. And it's not just happening to the vaccinated. And the vaccines have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stop talking about the bloody vaccines, dammit! What is wrong with you people?

They're safe and effective — it's just the healthy habits killing everyone. I swear, I read it on Twitter, so it must be true! Do nothing that's healthy for you body ever; just get boosted instead, repeatedly, as many times as you possibly can, every single day.

Don't ask your pharmacist about side effects. Only think warm, fuzzy thoughts about vaccines and cold, prickly thoughts about healthy habits. "Vaccines — warm fuzzy, vaccines — warm fuzzy, vaccines — warm fuzzy." Repeat the mantra as you penitently approach the jab clinic.

There is only one solitary act that has never ever ever caused heart attack or stroke in anyone anywhere throughout human history, and that is getting jabbed. So obey. Obey and be saved! Fall prostrate before your redeemer.

Help us, Anthony-Wan Fauci. You're our only hope!

— Christophe

[(Anonymous)]

"What do exercise, deep breathing, cold showers, meditation, visualization, and healthy eating have in common?"

Isn't that obvious? They can all cause heart attack and stroke in anyone at any time. Duh.


ha! I enjoyed that!!!! :-)

[(Anonymous)]

I have an online writing group I attend weekly, and 2 of the 8 people who are regulars have disappeared. Both were vaccinated and boosted I know because they talked about it mentioning the horrible reactions they had. I find myself praying that they are okay and return.

My book reading group, also online, can't manage to get a meeting together this month. We schedule a date and then everyone is sick or has migraines or is fatigued and in bed. They are all vaccinated, but I don't know if boosted, and young, under 35. I'm so worried about them but feel like I can't ask if they think its the vaccine. There's nothing they could anyway if it was.

My neighbor who is older like me had four shots and recently got covid and is angry about it. Like raging angry. She seems fine physically but mentally went off her rocker. Or maybe more off her rocker since getting covid?

It just keeps getting weirder. Little in the media or what I see online (except here) matches anything I am experiencing. Thank you all for keeping it real.

[(Anonymous)]

This is one reason why I am on the lookout for new friends who didn't drink the Kool-aid: It's such a bore to have everyone denying the obvious, everyone sick, and/or everyone afraid of making someone else sick (the blame game).

Yeah, the raging angry people-- many of whom are still quick-on-the-trigger to blame the unvaxxed, and/or blame those who don't mask up 24/7-- I avoid them, thank you very much.

Seriously, I think it's too crazy a moment out there to be stewing in anger, or hang around people who are really angry-- one needs all one's wits right now.

[scotlyn]

If I may, I wish to reply to Christophe's last reply to me on Thread 52.

Christophe - you said:

"Thanks, Scotlyn. I have no doubt that all kinds of medically approved drugs and new environmental toxins have contributed heavily to the recent astronomical surge in autoimmune disorders. Certainly, amyl nitrate and nitrite usage have been tough on the bodies subjected to it. Since I haven't read Kennedy's book, I have no idea how he lays out the case against amyl nitrite. As a contributing factor to overall immune system stress and degradation, I would heartily agree. As the actual cause of the AIDS pandemic, it just doesn't line up with the people who actually came down with AIDS. I'd be quite surprised to discover that South African diamond miners are among the highest users of poppers, but, hey, I could be totally wrong about that.

I also wouldn't be at all surprised if dirty needles turned out to be a fairly poor vector for infection. With the peculiar homophobic panic that AIDS unleashed in the West, admitting to intravenous drug use was preferable to acknowledging even the slightest gay leanings, so a lot of "documented" cases of infection by dirty needles may have covered over a myriad of other sins.

— Christophe"

Christophe,
Thank you for this. I have to say that I have not read Kennedy's book, so I have no idea how he covered the issue. What I have done is read a great many of the original writings by the AIDS sceptics who were questioning the pharmaceutical's established narrative in the 80's, naming HIV as the cause of AIDS, making a positive HIV test a death sentence. They queried the way in which this narrative made it possible to establish a "standard of care" requiring highly toxic meds (which had been rejected for the treatment of cancer for being too toxic!!) to be prescribed to people otherwise healthy, but testing positive for HIV. Which led to the bait-and-switch that keeps such narratives going. Even if the meds are what sicken or kill you, well you were going to die of AIDS anyway, so that is the only thing you could officially die OF once you had gotten a positive HIV test.

At that time a massive "close down the sceptics" operation (quite similar in almost all respects to the "close down the Covid fox sceptics" operation) went into effect. My first encounter with this was a post a few years back lamenting how Lynn Margulis (she of the symbiosis theory of eukaryote origin fame) had gone to the dark side with her "AIDS denialism". Well, Margulis was a great scientist, who spent 40 years "hanging out" with microbes and getting to know them in massive detail, and this remark struck me as needlessly flippant and dismissive.

In any case, the contentiousness of the "HIV=AIDS" narrative is often forgotten, and THE GAY MEN WHO QUESTIONED THAT NARRATIVE almost are erased from history. Some of this history is treated of here. https://oxsci.org/a-tainted-past-the-history-of-hiv/

Anyway, the upshot is that (I'm quite sure) the protect-the-narrative activists wanted to reduce the sides to easily dismissed soundbites, and "amyl nitrates" are both:
1. suitably scary to non users, and
2. suitably common enough to be dismissed as a hazard by users
This makes the contextless "amyl nitrates" a perfect non-battleground to keep people arguing about, and prevent them from becoming curious and learning something new, and (horrors!) questioning the pharmaceutical narrative.

All I'm saying is, please do not get bogged down there.

You say "As the actual cause of the AIDS pandemic, it just doesn't line up with the people who actually came down with AIDS. I'd be quite surprised to discover that South African diamond miners are among the highest users of poppers, but, hey, I could be totally wrong about that."

Actually here you put your own finger on the central fact for all of the "HIV=AIDS" sceptics. AIDS itself was too poorly defined, and affected too many disparate groups with totally different exposure profiles, to HAVE a single cause. As one sceptic (I can't call a name to mind just now) said (paraphrase) "AIDS is a catch all name that can be used instead of over 30 already well defined diseases when they are diagnosed in the context of a positive HIV test. So it turns out that if you have (say) Kaposi's Sarcoma in the context of a negative HIV test, you have Kaposi's Sarcoma. If you have (say) Kaposi's Sarcoma in the context of a positive HIV test, you have AIDS. And so on down a long list of already well defined diseases. But there is no clinical description of AIDS that does not include at least one of these already well defined diseases."

Anyway, there IS a story here, but the story is NOT "the gay plague was a punishment on gays for being too fond of poppers". I think, if you set your mind to it, you will find a great many eye-openers.

Be well, stay free!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not certain, but it sounds like something that Dr. Peter Duesberg could have said. (He was probably the pre-eminent virologist of his time, elected young to the National Academy of Sciences, and then memory-holed and defunded for daring to question the orthodoxy of "HIV=AIDS.")

His story is yet another reason to read RFK Jr's "Real Anthony Fausti."

Reconciliation?

[(Anonymous)]

Curious as to how others are handling invitations to return to places and institutions from which they were formerly banned.

The movie theatre down the road? I don't need to ever go there again. The choir I used to sing with? More tricky, since I still love the music, but the chance that they'll all go crazy again hangs in the air. The summer camp I've supported literally since childhood? I'll hang in there, make my views known as clearly and respectfully as I can, and give them the time they need to come to their senses.

A certain person who has influenced me a lot once gave the advice to 'turn the other cheek', which was interpreted to me as 'after they slap you backhanded, turn your face ninety degrees so as to invite a second slap, with the front of the hand, the slap of equals.' This will look different for different people... do others have anecdotes to share?

Dylan

Re: Reconciliation?

[(Anonymous)]

I am more of a fundamentalist when it comes to morality. I think almost all germans share the blame for the holocaust and everyone that took the fox should at least apologize for their part in supporting a murderous system (even if unwittingly).

We moved out of the blue area full with mandate nazis and I would never go back to the theatre or symphony that implemented the segregationist rules, even though they are still pestering me with their mail.

"Forgive and forget" only encourages evil do it again and again. Justice is more important than getting along with people and I am still waiting for the people that drunk the Kool-Aid to at least acknowledge I was right.

That being said, I expect most of them will go to their graves without ever admitting a mistake, just like the "good Germans" after the war (read about it sometimes, human nature is just bad).

I have the solution!

[(Anonymous)]

Most of us on this forum are fightened and angry about how many people are dead because of the covid injections. It is terrible. But just the other day I had a brilliant idea that allows us to completely solve the problem! All we need to do is change the definition of "dead"!

It's really quite simple. A dead person is someone who has experienced death as a result of something other than a medical intervention. A person who has experienced death as a result of a medical intervention is not dead, because that is not a legitimate cause of being dead. This means that nobody ever has or ever will be dead because of the covid injections!

I feel much better now and so should you.

Re: I have the solution!

[coyote_girl]

That sounds like something Dmitry Orlov would have written. Pity I'm too cheap to pay for the monthly subscription, but like he said, knowledge doesn't grow on trees.

Unexpected benefits

[(Anonymous)]

Just a musing:

Literally any day now I'm expecting an article from an MSM news outlet waste pipe to proclaim something along the lines of:

'Excess mortality is up 30% against pre-pandemic baselines. Here's why that's a good thing for your family and your wallet. Experts predict that rising death rates could stave off the worst impacts of inflation, lower property prices, help prevent climate change, and may even reduce the likelihood of future pandemics.
"I mean, one man's death is only a tragedy if you know them. If a million people die far away, does that bother you? No, in practical terms, to you, that's just a statistic. And if your gas bills at the pump go down a little, well, maybe you'll be thanking them that little bit for their sacrifice." said Professor Stahl Inn, of the Thanos centre for economic research.'

So yeah, basically expect the next phase in the media cycle to be that people dying in droves isn't all that bad after all.
I mean, if life gives you lemons, then legally mandate that people pour your lemonade in their eyes, and tell them the stinging sensation means it's working and make them do it twice more.

What's that saying which JMG likes about satire writing being the hardest job in the world at the moment...?

Joking aside though, I mention this as a slight warning. It's very tempting for those of us who resisted the pressure to jab to feel at least some ill-will, whether consciously or not, toward those whose who did get jabbed. A while back, someone mentioned how all this seemed like a cosmic test - can you resist the herd mentality? Well the herd are a fickle bunch, and can easily swing the other way. And the opposite of one bad idea is...?

Re: Unexpected benefits

[(Anonymous)]

They'll have plenty of history to plagiarize from.

https://dailyhistory.org/How_did_the_Bubonic_Plague_make_the_Italian_Renaissance_possible

[(Anonymous)]

JIMG's (anything but) mundane astrology post is up on Subscribe Star and Patreon and well worth the read https://www.subscribestar.com/john-michael-greer. It's a doozy.

[(Anonymous)]

Indeed it is.

[(Anonymous)]

So if anything breaks the camel's back of public health, it will be monkeypox, but not for the reasons you might expect.

Take a look here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1555255566091653121

And read the comments. People are ANGRY.
Turns out rule-abiding people don't like being forcibly quarantined for 18 months and missing major life events, only for another disease to get soft-touch advice to maybe consider possibly perhaps thinking about not going to quite so many orgies?
Who'd have thought?

[(Anonymous)]

just a few quotes -- replies to (at) washingtonpost:

C’mon fellas. Just put it away for a couple weeks. Just 15 days to stop the spread.

I was not allowed to visit my father-in-law in the hospital or attend his funeral during COVID lockdowns, but I guess telling people to stop having orgies is a bridge too far.

I think we should put the hotspots under strict lockdown. Specifically places like San Fran and NYC. Perhaps even require some type of object be worn. A chastity cage perhaps. But no need to worry, it’d be for a mere 15 days to slow the spread. After all, if it saves one life…

Lockdowns that destroyed small businesses 😎 👍
Don’t have orgies for 1 month 😡 😤 🖕

We’re expected to believe we can stop freely breathing air, but no one is capable of not humping someone else. Ok.

2 weeks of house arrest and a full travel ban for all gay men. If it saves one life its worth it... 😬🤣.
Sarcasm folks... 🤣🤣

This is enraging. They literally put police tape around playgrounds, kept us away from loved ones in hospitals, stopped worship services, funerals, weddings, graduations etc but temporarily stopping orgies which are provably fueling the MP epidemic is too big an ask?🖕🖕🖕

this is why no one takes you people seriously.

Costa Rica

[(Anonymous)]

Can anyone comment with more information?

Pendulum is swinging the other way now-- it looks like Costa Rica's new president has very different ideas:

https://zeroanthropology.net/2022/08/06/costa-rica-democracy-takes-a-stand-against-the-vax-junta/

Re: Costa Rica

[(Anonymous)]

We have a call for John Perkins? Is there a John Perkins in the house?

State of er

[(Anonymous)]

A friend of mine, works at the local police department posted this:


“I’m legitimately concerned about the state of healthcare. I have the utmost respect for those who work in healthcare. They are not thanked or celebrated enough. But the overall machine of healthcare seems like it’s struggling to make it up hill in the wrong gear.
‘Wife’ and I spent some quality time in the ER over the past 12 hours. First at St Dominic and now at Merit Rankin. ‘Wife’ was in severe pain and throwing up. The man sitting across from us had a heart attack. Neither of them were ever seen at St.D. He and his wife finally left, and we followed suit shortly afterwards.
FYI: throw-up bags are $10 each.
I’m sitting at Merit waiting room with her now and she’s absolutely miserable. It’s hard to sit patiently and watch as someone you love waits and suffers at the place that was specially designed to help.

PS. Someone across the room decided to forego the $10 puke bag and utilize the floor. Maybe a wise call because it seems he might have filled multiple bags.”pored this

[tritumi]

As per John Campbell, Japan now has the highest Covid infectivity rate in the world but also the lowest death rate. New "vaccine" drugs for Omicron have been announced with October campaign for the elders first. Meanwhile, Campbell is optimistic that BA5 may well be the dead end into global populations now mostly adequately "immune" - though I take "immune" to mean "sufficiently topped up with spike proteins".

Meanwhile, Tokyo is officially 97.3 Fahrenheit with heat island effect bumping that and people are still 95% wearing the mask as if.

[weilong]

Reading the news about it here gives me brain cramps. According to a message from city hall the other day, there is so much covid nowadays that they are thinking of - get this - not hospitalizing healthy people. Gasp! How will all the healthy people who got randomly selected by the phony lab tests get by without staying two weeks in a hospital? It's also apparently straining testing capacity to the point that healthy people might not be able to get tested to find out if they are secretly sick despite having no symptoms of disease.

The news tries to present this as a terrible problem, while also admitting that most of the positive test results are in healthy people who do not require any medical care.

Covid meme

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know how to an internet memes. If someone does here's my suggestion:

Caption: Raise your hand all those who approve the pandemic measures.

And the picture: https://www.vanillamagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/August-Landmesser-1068x561.jpg

Alternate caption: Be all you can. The tiny fringe minority.

Re: Covid meme

[(Anonymous)]

One in a hundred, thousand. The tiny minority...

If you'd have told me then...

[(Anonymous)]

As a (once) proud neopagan, liberal feminist and pharmacy technician, if you'd have told me I'd be looking at joining an old christian sect in the hopes that my children would not have a sacred vaccination pushed upon them, I'd have told you that you were mad.

The fact that I watch events unfold in the world and week after week, find myself going "So that's why (insert fundamentalist religion) included that prohibition" and am genuinely interested in seeing what else is in the good book, would have drawn immense scorn from my younger self.

....

Huh.

Re: If you'd have told me then...

[(Anonymous)]

I totally hear you.

I'm amazed to find myself regularly reading Jeff Childers' Coffee and Covid and Naomi Wolf on Steve Bannon.

Everything is inside out and upside down and wackier by the moment.

Meme 2

[(Anonymous)]

This one is self explanatory & positive in outlook and perfect for anytime.

https://sd.keepcalms.com/i/keep-calm-its-for-your-own-good-3.png

This meme is from reddit, r-mindfulness. As we wend our way in the moment: https://i.redd.it/g3zv82gd03f91.png

Re: Meme 2

[(Anonymous)]

☕️🍰☕️🍰

Good news from SW Washington

[coyote_girl]

Republican challenger Joe Kent looks to have won the Republican nomination for the 3rd Congressional District in Washington State.

https://www.columbian.com/news/2022/aug/09/rep-jaime-herrera-beutler-concedes-perez-will-face-kent-for-the-3rd-district/

He is running on the more populist ticket, specifically anti mask and vax mandate, along with very pro-life and second amendment. Given he was one of two major challengers to the republican incumbent, I think his odds are good for November.

This really floors me how much things have changed, me as well. In the 90's and during the Bush years, Republican was a dirty word to me. I still have the same views on preserving civil liberties and avoiding foreign interventions ( euphemism for blowing up other countries ). I used to strongly support the pro-choice movement on grounds of bodily autonomy, but considering their deafening silence on the mandates, to call them prostitutes would insult honest sex workers just trying to support a habit.

Re: Good news from SW Washington

[dendroica]

"I used to strongly support the pro-choice movement on grounds of bodily autonomy, but considering their deafening silence on the mandates, to call them prostitutes would insult honest sex workers just trying to support a habit."

I'm not entirely sure if I'm interpreting your thought process here correctly, but I would encourage you not to allow your personal views with regard to abortion access to be changed by the behavior of the social/political movements that are fighting over that issue.

I know it's tempting to be able to go "all in" for a particular party or candidate, but for me at least the last two years have taught me that I'm going to have to hold my nose to vote for anyone from either of the opposing teams, and I'm hopeful that this will lead to enough political homelessness that we could see the rise of viable third parties and independent candidates.

Erika's Got a Baby: Breakfast Club 2022 meets One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

[(Anonymous)]

"so there i was standing in line..."

i'm filtering out for the under fifties and skimmers (smile)
EL GATO'S! (i can't do the upside down exclamation point before his name but it NEEDS it) !EL GATO!s (there, that's better) !EL GATO!s post made me realize along with UNGOVERNABLE as a concept he's giving us a sign that we have to define who/what we are. his post on Gen X. very funny. look him up. no time to FEED... i'm having another wave of IDEAS but in writing

so i had this thought reading David Mamet's book about HE should take a crack at what the NEW DEFIANT THEATRE would look like. in his book he's reminiscing about the ole actor days but.... it didn't WORK... we are here...we need new electric currents to jolt harder than the earlier weaker current

so i had a thought come to me: DAVID MAMET! BIGGEST TRULY IMPORTANT DRAMATIC WORK OF YOUR LIFE TO SAVE HUMANITY IS NOW NOT GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS NOT NONE OF THAT "ENTERTAINMENT" CRAP... NOW DO YOUR PITCH FOR THE ANGELS

and it was such a clear thought almost a VOICE a message for him / i'd write on amazon as all authors secretly read EVERYTHING EVER WRITTEN ANYWHERE ABOUT THEMSELVES (why i know who'll be here ..i know MYSELF! HA! it's terrible. but we're human... we DO CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT US AS WE ARE ALL EACH SALLY FXCKING FIELD)

anyhow saw a photo of Louis CK now and every photo i see he looks 30 years older each time. i know he's a ginger but REALLY... i know it's because HE'S DOING EVERYTHING AND WE DO NEED SUIT-ISH PEOPLE BECAUSE WE CANNOT SHOULD NOT ALSO BE THE CEO... OUR WORK SUFFERS... IT HAS TO

anyhow this is an idea

why share it? it came to me like a tiny bird dropping not scat but CANDY on my shoulder... this is a sort of Exquisite Corpse ... a TROPE.. stranger in a strange land...

but the idea i wanted David Mamet to do came to ME and it's an Exquisite Corpse or a trope like how you can take that Japanese movie that eludes me right now the one where the story is different from each teller's point of view...

and i had to go to the hospital clinic i'd made an appointment for but we were in line and it was a range of mostly Gen X people treated like cattle and i ...

well, it became:

BREAKFAST CLUB 2022 MEETS ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST

and i fell madly in love with Judd Nelson when he first was in that movie and the line i was in was just as if you had all these same people meeting in line at the clinic ... GEN X... because i'm gonna make a cartoon of my experience

BUT I KNOW THIS IS UNIVERSAL

it was so GOOD the idea came to me all together like the final mullet coat with the finalized classic motorcycle slanted zipper inspired FRONT and 19th century riding coat in BACK for coverage and for fabric JIGGLE since we don't let our butts jiggle...in a GOOD way, anymore.

lots of godets circle flounces stacked up against eachother... in the end they emulate jiggle...

no industrial design would allow such a thing. too expensive. in more ways than many.

anyhow... imagine Judd Nelson NOW as we are... all the rage disgust about NOW... that would be a role worthy of him as none after Breakfast Club EVER lived up to THAT what he did to us all out in the audience. he was way underrated. too ...

SO THERE I WAS STANDING IN LINE

anyhow i realized someone's gotta be like Papa G here and you can't have comedians and all of us having our own fxcking WEB SITES. it has to be a PLACE. if we must do bake sales to afford gas to carpool and travel or ride horses and donkies so be it.

what else you got better to do? DIE?

i promise you TRUST ME a la Glengarry Glen Ross... if you do this if you go beyond your comfort zones and do this stuff IN THE REAL and embarrass yourself go too far as i did today thanks to you all here and Naomi Wolf for the pre-rehearsal scripts i'll write it later not waste it

i got the idea like it's generic ... it's not MINE... so STEAL it...

"so there i was standing in line..."

AND THEN WHAT?

we know what Andrew Dice Clay did but what of US?
anyhow too much synchronicity so had to write GIVE this idea
steal take nothing is ours we must SHARE screw all this credit needed given it will be found if necessary

as a multiple leo i've learned to work the underworld and forego the "LOOK WHAT I DID THAT WAS ME!" confessing part. leave magic and mystery because sometimes WHY do we do what we do? we are players' in others' stories/signs, too.

it's a PLAY and cause and effect.

anyhow...

you all would be proud with how i left the hospital. it was no big deal... just as Naomi said it's all... well they don't know what to do when you protest gracefully.

i got away with so much

but yeah...

it was a play today. i have to share the idea because i cannot will not do not want to be "possessive." it is a good beginning because it's a trope a starting point because i have MY experience "standing in line" with Gen X from all backgrounds (i swear it WAS LIKE I WAS IN A PLAY... there were CHARACTERS... gifts)...

see? this is where we artists aren't so "sweet." touchy feely? we are vultures and jackals... barely waiting to pick the bones of the dead we're like that kimodo dragon that bites its prey and follows it around until it's wobbly and crashes in a tunnel in France.

MURMURATION: can't you see an embittered pissed off broken down Judd Nelson in line in that shirt and jean jacket but he's been rich and lost his houses in the last crash and...? living in his car.

the woman! oh lord, Murmuration.. this woman was a gift like a white girl in high school the kind i wanted to kick and here she IS... she gave up in 2007 ...i got her whole LIFE STORY and she was there to see if the HAND DOCTOR could have the qualifications to remove an implant she got after breast cancer and now it was poisoning her...

and she was ...she was an insanely beautiful blond Gen X Lily Tomlin talking about tin foil hats on stage but REAL LIFE...

and she's being poisoned by this implant and if the hand surgeon is WILLING... this stuff is OKAY... like many in the system she knew her stuff and i recognized bureacratic gospel. she knew the tricks and repeated them. a white girl from the midwest kept getting gentrified out of her apartments and she choked up and gave up in 2007 after the last eviction and reading "Nickel and Dimed" she knew it was futile and moved into her car...

but she's still FOOD.

it's WHY THE MASKS. those who said this YES YOU WERE RIGHT I THOUGHT THAT WAS ...POETIC BUT IT IS QUITE LITERAL

anyhow i'm trying to incite IDEAS. like artistic exercises when you're stumped by REALITY. but that is a good story that is in real life. start there. start SMALL. we need store front theatres again.

David Mamet is right... i thought i was idealistic and silly about ART. no... i wasn't silly! and he is right LIVE is different than screens movies or tiny ones. LIVE is a whole other set of skills.

anyhow--RASHOMON! that was the Japanese movie i was thinking of and even Star Trek I riffed off that with the episode where the one woman appeared different to each man.

STEAL IT. it's not "mine." it's a perfect structure for riffing off the talents and personalities and skills of performers wherever you are and most importantly:

THE AUDIENCE WILL SEE THEMSELVES.

yeah, okay. read David Mamet's "Recessional" new book. he gets a little clever for his own good but that's just like going out on the lawn in your underwear or in none at all, and that is a whole OTHER affair in 2022.

but i like how he's OLD. as i keep saying: I DON'T TRUST ANYONE UNDER 50, the inverse is true but because i'm not ready to be The Adult yet and i like hearing about the Olde Days when we used to talk to each other in person and experiment and laugh and ask each other out and be stupid and have regrets.

so i love hearing about The Good Old Days. and like The Jews, we are now all strangers in our own land and yes we need a parallel health thing because YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET OLD IN AMERICA. RICH OR POOR BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE SAME WHEN NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM ANYWAY

and what else you gonna do?

remember the first time you swam nude in public in a pool or a lake... and how free and natural it felt? i promise you after the initial bout of INEVITABLE insanity as you adjust down and DEEP your expectations (what Papa G's other work is for...he's the director who grounds you and brings you back from going temporarily insane on film in 10 minutes and how to get back to NORMAL??? he's THAT GUY when you go nuts... why i say Papa G is Narcan to all this.

i don't want to waste the theatrical talent. test in person so you can write REAL. that's what i did by "accident" today. i say accident because i live in constant rehearsal of trying to become the woman i want to be.

if i can't do it how can i hold anyone to ANYTHING??? that's how i'm most always wrong.

anyhow... steal this idea. PLEASE. it's from reading David Mamet so it's via Him, and he's writer shaman enough to know how this all works. and this idea is not MINE. it is a direction a push a NUDGE.

go where you go.

SCARE US. but with love.

someone said on an old show about Baldwin, a local publisher guy who was part of the early civil rights, that what is missing from the woke thing is LOVE. they tried for Love back in The Day. he's right. there's NO LOVE with today's left.

David Mamet has a lot to say about how bullies made us because we were forced to learn how to deal with them for all of LIFE.

i'm preaching to choirs at this point / i know we need preaching but nah... we need DOING... so please Exquisite Corpse (look it up if you don't know what that is) do your own version of

BREAKFAST CLUB 2022 MEETS ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST.

in my story today was a mixture of The Indian AND an ice-picked Jack Nicholson.

what does all this MEAN? ah! stay tuned. i wanted Mamet to do this FIRST PLAY post pandemic (i use my love of drawing fried eggs to now symbolize Pandemic world... humpty dumpty had a great fall...)

and i like the two-ness of two eggs... morning fried eggs done perfectly ... no clear slime ...whites velvety rubbery WHAT?... and yolks to bleed all over into toast nooks and crannies...

i love my own TITTIES! two-ness.

did i mention the ignored American white girl with the poison titty, that when i said, "poison you from within like their vaccines"

and she said, "OH NO! Those WORK. and have saved lives."

we are complicit, y'all. she knew her role played her role. for what attention she could get. she'd been banned all over for her Bad Behavior.

we're ALREADY food in the pharma system. they're not even PRETENDING anymore. that's why i left.

story later. but I had a baby... WE ALL HAD A BABY.

------

i stole the title of this post from The Dead: kisses blown to Tupac.

--erika

Re: Erika's Got a Baby: Breakfast Club 2022 meets One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

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I'm gonna have to let this stew a bit. So much here. Howdy btw.

Murmuration

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you JMG for hosting these discussions, it has honestly been a soothing oasis of sanity as I try to get my bearings in this upside down reality. I only wish there was a way to build relationships with many of you outside of the internet.

I'd like to run this by others here - does it seem to anyone else that a lot more people these days have become downright unhinged, lost their tether to normalcy? I can't shake the feeling of being a character in a spooky movie or video game, where the Big Bad is coming and the crazy people are acting out, influenced by the ominous background music.

Just one example where it hit me, I went to a bar I've been going to for years in a sometimes questionable part of town. It's usually fairly calm despite it's location, but this last time there was a man dancing and posing in the middle of a busy street, clearly out of his mind; more homeless roaming around begging than I've ever seen there before; and I was approached by a man who threatened me if I didn't give him money (I was able to safely remove myself from the situation, thankfully). It was just such a jarring experience I've been mulling it over ever since.

This is in addition to noticing people driving unusually bad, ERs overflowing with the mentally ill, a remarkable amount of people in my office who are out on leave due to mental health issues...

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I think many people sense that we are in a holding period of time, a bit of the doldrums. It's an eerie feeling, KNOWING that shoes or swords are due to start dropping, but haven't yet begun.

There is a slackness right now, and I find myself wondering if the projects I'm working on even matter. The world could be so different this time next year that the work I'm doing now could be pointless. I say this coming from a history of having believed in the fast collapse for a couple years, and also feeling things were pointless back then. THIS feels different. I will of course adjust as the situation plays itself out, but I have a bit of a feeling of "pushing on rope" or "why bother". It's not a good feeling, and I think many many people feel it too. It's kind of crazy-making.

open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments

[(Anonymous)]

The open thread archives bellow (.epub and html, and for Vol. 2 text too)

Volume 1 (everything before 1st March 2022)
Volume 1 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/8dBxzC4B#AkuddhK1eMAHK8xtCquBd7Es_19uU0UVAuO26PJ61ow

Volume 1 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/8JYV3QBT#ydwISn-_JZGsa3KCfNlMPZSmCKWEFgTYMJJnsvN0D9c

Volume 2 (everything after 1st of March)

Volume 2 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/RBRwlQBb#bXJw-_gyDI3Sgz5-omfOEfZnaHmeKTyspimhBN1wnrc

Volume 2 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/tRgXiQAa#Da-nFLg80jsMD_HoBgyss1yCwS6XPzPNXEF76JYPado

Volume 2 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/gMIzXZoR#m7djwu-BFE3S3Qewat47JzVSzHSzBjs63murUwn_j3g

Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

Pelosi and Brandon prediction and Internet prediction

[(Anonymous)]

Google Search was down for some users, although this might no be something I see them as small quakes before the big one. Last year were a lot of small and big cloud outages.

This were my prediction for the next 3 months
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/187282.html?thread=31413394#cmt31413394

This one I nailed but not the way I expected,

I think Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi might make news next 3-4 months.

and the tech prediction is still out there

Something happens to a big chunk of the Internet, I established that Colloseum is the Internet, the upper levels were for the plebe. I expect in the next 3-4 months that the cloud + big platforms Facebook + Twitter + Google etc to go down


Brandon prediction was close enough with him having BOVID19 a bit more than other and coming up unable to keep his glasses or put the jacket on...

Maybe something happens to Brandon, natural death or other.

Re: Pelosi and Brandon prediction and Internet prediction

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.weforum.org/videos/a-cyber-attack-with-covid-like-characteristics