Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[cutekitten]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DeplorableRich5/status/1432532311581421572?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1432532311581421572%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Famericandigest.org%2Fstrange-daze-camelot-cruising%2F

Says most of the people are in a stupor? What do you think? I’m not sure at what point “dragging around a city on a super hot day” moves into “stupor,” but I can agree nobody looks too happy!

[(Anonymous)]

That looks like Fentanyl. Glad someone is documenting it. It's a great reminder of the desperate need to replace our elite.

[(Anonymous)]

Data point in Bucharest, 10 people hearth, because bus driver lost consciousness, vaccination mandatory for bus drivers. Similar stories like this on telegram, hard to find on Google though.

Ethics 101

[escorcher]

Am increasingly concerned that the vaccine mandates springing up around the 'developed' (ha!) world are fast becoming a backdoor way those likely to question the 'powers that be' too much are being shut up and shut out. The same people that were teaching our youngsters to think critically.

A moving video from a Canadian ethics professor forced to leave her job due to her ethics. Crazy.
(Brought to attention by:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliusRuechel )

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5dCjnCtFqcHu/

Re: Ethics 101

[(Anonymous)]

The fact so many are being treated so unfairly doesn't give me hope of a turnaround as it would cost organisations so much on compensation- thoughts?

Peak Prosperity Comment

[deng]

Below is a comment from a viewer of Chris Martenson's latest video 'How to Live a Beautiful life'. The writer describes her conflicting emotions related to her final project of getting a covid vax station up and running just before she loses her job for refusing the very same vax. A women of amazing Will.

I continue to find significant instances of awesome inspiration out there. I refuse to become a bitter old man. Current Mood - Inspired of course:)

I have been watching your content since last year, and not only have I utilized all this information to prepare, but have found it to be insightful. This particular video, I found relatable in various areas. I have been trying to come to terms with how I move forward with my future. In many ways, I have always dreamed of owning my own farm, and/or living in a tiny home. This video has given me hope.

My husband is an ironworker, and a builder all around. My background is an architect by trade. I currently work for a major health care system in my state. Oddly enough, I left the A/E firm that I worked for 15 years at the onset of this pandemic to join this health care system as a Project Manager in Design and Construction. When I started going through the onboarding process, besides undergoing an intensive background check, I also had a full health screening. It was discovered that I did not have antibodies for the Chicken Pox, so last April I went for my vaccination series. I guess, I mention this to validate that I am not anti-vaxer. I am a 39 year old female, and six years ago I was diagnosed with Thyroid Cancer. I am in remission at this point and in good health.

I have my own vegetable garden for the last nine years, and I am member at a local farm where I volunteer regularly. I love to can my produce, dry my herbs. Most recently interested in getting my own chickens. I deeply care about our environment, and have spent many hours cleaning up the beach. I am not perfect by any means, but like so many, I am deeply troubled with the state of our nation, and our globe.

I am in AWE, that within the next month I could potentially get me fired over a decision that relates to my body, my temple. I refuse to take part in this manipulation. Despite my previous health issues, I have always been skeptical of doctors, because of the profit driven industry. My most recent project, I have been given is to open a vaccination "station" in a shopping mall. It must be complete within the next two weeks. I have never felt more conflicted in my life. It is in my nature to accept a challenge and complete it. I am competitive by nature, and I love construction.

So now, I have two weeks to complete a project that I want no part of, and two weeks following I will get fired for not allowing an experimental gene therapy to be injected in my body. Thankfully, I feel like I have many options, as I said before I am not a healthcare professional. I truly believe, when one door closes, another opens. I will not allow someone to intimidate me with fear. However, I like many, I sit here facing life changing decisions.

So, Thank you for your inspiration! Thank you for your continued effort to bring good information to the forefront. Thank you for sharing you, and your daughters story. My consideration of a tiny home, and farm seems more realistic. Perhaps, I begin my journey to search for land to build a tiny home, and then pursue a new business as an architect designing and building tiny homes.

Funniest video I've seen in a long time

[(Anonymous)]

"Ivermectin-Horse Man - Big Pharma hates him, but those who are Covid-19 positive love him to bits!"

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/084/246/994/original/bdce349fcd8f70e8.mp4

[ecosophia]

I've just had to delete several comments for heated language directed at individuals. Please, folks, remember that strict courtesy isn't merely recommended but required on this forum.

[(Anonymous)]

As one of the people who went too far, I'd like to apologize for it. Reflecting on it, I did cross a line with that comment, and so I also want to thank you for removing it.

[cutekitten]

https://babylonbee.com/news/controversial-scene-in-new-dune-movie-has-paul-atreides-take-ivermectin-to-protect-himself-from-worms

Fabulous!

[(Anonymous)]

Cutekitten,
Oh, that is too funny!! This might be a good time to re-read the Dune series, actually.
Chris in VT

[deng]

Below is my email response to MGHs denial of my religious exemption request. They call themselves a committee. I refer to them as 'council' as in Matthew 10:17. Den

Hello RE Council,

I would like to appeal your RE denial. How is that done? You have only included a link to vaccine info on your religious exemption denial. I would like to know what criteria meet you RE needs. I ask who is on the RE committee. How did you decide on your criteria? Is it in house or a wider algorithm? Who and how many, or what percentage of this committee are religious or spiritual leaders?

You have asked me to objectively demonstrate a subjective experience and understanding of my RE request. My request is based on an increasing faith in something beyond objective demonstration. This faith is strengthened and inversely related to a decreased faith in the mixed, muddied, and misleading statements of our national and international leadership pertaining to covid infections and mitigations including the current vaccines. One example of misleading information is that the current Pfizer shot has been approved by the FDA. This is not legally true and you admit that in your own vaccine literature included in the link imbedded in your RE denial. This is from your own covid vaccine fact sheet, " [1] ...The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness. "

The 'fact' is that the 2 shots are legally distinct and if I become disable MGH, Pfizer, and the government are exempt from all legal responsibility and me and my loved ones will be left alone without recourse to fend for ourselves on $800 a month social security disability. The shots that are currently available are all still under EUA use and its exemptions and repercussions listed above and understood by you very well. Another fact is that the approved vaccine is and will be different to an unknown degree at this time and that the approved vaccine is has not only not been produced in any distributive amount but must also undergo some period of trails measured in years. Is it 2 years? 3 years? More?

For nearly 22 years worked my butt off for my patients and MGH. To have it end in a series of emails to people I don't know and probably will not be allowed to know is a shameful mark on this institution. That one must prostrate themselves to you in this manner is the same. That my willingness to be fired from a career and leave my family without income and insurance isn't a strong enough example of my faith in something more powerful and greater than you and I only reveals your lack of faith. I know what I see when I look in the mirror and in my heart. What do you see when you do the same?

I don't blame my department or MGH for this situation. Know that I want to continue my work here. That I hold no hard feelings towards my department or MGH for this and that if needed in the future or in an emergency I am available to help you in any way I can.

Thank you. Dennis Gaudet

[(Anonymous)]

Good. I think it would read better and be more powerful if you proofread it and fixed your typos.

Some more reactions

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just nurses walking off now. Reactions to shots and passports:

School bus drivers quitting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA_XUG_KTOg

LA fire captain quite upset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6i3EGiZc08

Re: Some more reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Someone may have linked to this already, I haven't made it through all the new comments:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-new-york-hospital-will-no-longer-deliver-babies-after-staffers-resign-over-vaccine-mandate/

From the article:
"An Upstate New York hospital announced that it will stop delivering babies this month after several staffers in the maternity department resigned over the hospital system’s coronavirus vaccine mandate.

At least six unvaccinated maternity staffers at Lewis County General Hospital have resigned in recent days and seven others remain undecided on whether to get vaccinated, Gerald Cayer, chief executive officer of the Lewis County Health System, said at a Friday news conference. The staff shortage will result in the hospital being “unable to safely staff” the maternity department beginning Sept. 25, he said."

In the end, Biden's vaccine mandate may collapse not as a result of the slew of promised lawsuits from governors, but because some/many/a crucial percentage of the people who keep the basics running refuse to comply and just quit.


Update to a couple of my previous comments:

I ran some errands around southern Vermont yesterday and noticed a return of masking at a number of stores. There is no state mandate anymore, but it looks like a number of employers are requiring their employees to mask up in response to the 'surge' in cases here. As of September 10, 2021, there were 141 new cases of Covid (no distinction between actual cases vs. just positive tests), 30 hospitalized and 9 in ICU, and one death in the 70-79 age range. Even in a small state with a population of around 650,000 people, this doesn't strike me as much of a surge. On the other hand, there are a ton of NPR and MSNBC fans here and those outlets have been pushing the Covid = Certain Death idea pretty hard so I'm not completely surprised at the fear level.

Nonetheless, I went about my business barefaced and nobody gave me a second look. A minority of customers at the businesses were masked, mostly rather elderly people. We have out-of-state family arriving next weekend and we intend to have a great time, as the 'fall festival' season is beginning and they're a lot of fun.

[(Anonymous)]

The details aren't yet clear, but my company did a complete about-face about a vaccine mandate over the course of a few days. Late last week, an email from our human resources sent to management expressed that the vaccines were a matter of personal choice. Just today, probably due to blowback, it looks like that decision has been reversed, and a mandatory vaccination policy will be introduced pronto. The only concession is that people who don't want to get vaccinated will have to submit negative Covid tests at some as yet unclear interval.

The pressure is ramping up!

[(Anonymous)]

For what it's worth, one place where I work part-time (and from which I am hopefully transitioning out soon, but not just yet) went from attempting vaccine mandates with no exceptions to accepting masks and negative weekly tests in lieu of experimental injections. Then they further amended the rules and decided that everyone has to wear a mask regardless of vaccine status, so you don't really know who submitted proof of vaccine and who submits a weekly test.

What changed? I'm not certain, but I happen to know that several employees who pushed back (basically a "sorry, not getting it, am I fired?") happened to be African American. The people at the top gung-ho for the vaccines were all white. I suspect that someone might have figured out that having several black people quit because of rules imposed by white people, or having black employees disproportionately sporting muzzles, all in a very "woke" sector, might not have looked good.

[(Anonymous)]

JMG,

I've been assuming that the repeated virus scares coming out of China (SARS, Swine Flu, Covid, etc.) was a result of general poor hygiene conditions in the country; but do you think there might be some sort of metaphysical reason why there's been so many virus scares from that part of the world in the past twenty odd years?

[ecosophia]

I've tended to assume that it's because China has so large a percentage of the total human population living mostly in very close proximity -- ecologically, that makes it virus heaven -- but it's an interesting question. I don't know of any metaphysical reason why that should be happening, for what it's worth.

Just data, no opinion

[adastraoracle]

This study (from Denmark, and the data is well-collected) included 4M people. Concerning acquired immunity from previous infection, only 72 people out of +11K recovered from the first wave were re-infected during the second wave (~6-8 months later).

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00575-4/fulltext#seccestitle140

"The estimated protection against repeat infection after previous SARS-CoV-2 infection was 80·5% (95% CI 75·4–84·5; table 1)."

The re-infected may have been mostly people over 65, as the discussion at the end of the study determines older (recovered) persons had less vigorous immune responses.

Re: Just data, no opinion

[inavalon]

Those recovered people who got “reinfected” might not have actually had COVID the first time around, if false positive test results were happening.

[mitchell2]

I would be interested to get feedback on this video. It is an interview with Mattias Desmet, a professor of psychology at Ghent University in Belgium.
He is saying that 30% of the population are hypnotized to focus on the fear of covid. Another 40% are going along, and the final 30% are awake, but through being a disparate grouping, not able to mount a credible challenge.
He maintains that there is no point trying to talk sense to those under control of hypnosis.
One thing that you can do however, to fight fire with fire so to speak, although possibly unethical, is to direct them to an even greater fear (such as societal collapse, or vaccine injury danger for instance). By fighting 'magic' with 'magic' you can break the spell, and focus their attention away from irrational covid fear. After you do that, you can then deconstruct their fear of covid. The aim here is to fight the bleak prospect of us getting 'locked out' of society.
I have some training in Neuro Linguistic Programming and it appears to make some sense to me. In NLP we can break an addiction for instance by getting the subject to break their anchor to an addiction through 'anchoring' them to the nasty consequences of their addiction. My question is; does this seem logical according to practitioners of magic in this group?

I have been trialing an approach to some 'New Normals' lately; I focus their attention on the forthcoming 'super virus' that the vaccine is creating, just like the super bugs that are created through inappropriate use of antibiotics. I use over simplistic and frightening imagery, and try to paint a terrifying vista in a few short sentences. Before I do this I make sure I use the basic tools of NLP to generate good rapport with the subject; 'we can all agree on what evil it was to invade Afghanistan to steal their drugs, then abandon our allies in such a way' for instance. Now the seed is sown, they agree the powers that be are inherently evil - then I go in for the kill. It's important not to go for the kill to early. First you follow the subject, you must come across as agreeable. After you generate rapport, you lead them, when the time is right you focus their fear on something bigger.

It appears we have a duty to hang together to fight this darkness, lest we end up hanging apart.

Here is the video - well worth a watch I think
https://www.bitchute.com/video/uh8J0b7wQGxQ/

[inavalon]

I seriously question the ethics of the technique you describe.

PCR test explanation

[(Anonymous)]

Yesterday I saw a great analogy of how the PCR test works:

take a dollar and double it until you get to 1 million dollars-
it will take 20 cycles of doubling

now take a penny and do the same thing double it until you get to a million dollars
it takes 27 cycles

a live coronavirus will show at about twenty cycles
a dead coronavirus fragment will show at about 25-27 cycles

all PCR testing has been done at an average of 40-45 cycles which will show extremely small fragments that could also be fragments of other viruses, no proof of infection but yet a positive at 45 cycles means your are a coronavirus case which is meaningless.
PCR tests are not diagnostic tools but are very imprecise statistical tools when run at low cycles, absolute garbage at high cycles as have been mandated by those who know these facts

Re: PCR test explanation

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. So, let's do a thought experiment which follows this to its logical conclusion.

Assume that, at 40-45 cycles, every PCR test is a false positive.

We tell anybody with flu-like symptoms to get tested. Given that everybody shows flu-like symptoms now and then, our sampling amounts to a random sample of the population. ​

Out of this random sample of the population, we know that a small proportion will die in the month or two after the sample just as a small proportion of the population dies in any given time frame.

If the sample was truly random, we would expect that the age of death in the sample was the same as the average life expectancy of the population as a whole and that the pattern of death would follow the usual all cause mortality pattern with deaths peaking in winter.

Which is exactly what we see with the corona testing.

I repost the gets

[(Anonymous)]

My previous post wasn't understood well because I haven't put all the gets links and people assumed there was only one:
There are 8 different gets of 777 only in that post.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18360777#cmt18360777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18104777#cmt18104777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18072777#cmt18072777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18200777#cmt18200777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18136777#cmt18136777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18168777#cmt18168777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18232777#cmt18232777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18264777#cmt18264777


And there was a Magic Monday where the post has the get
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/144777.html

Re: I repost the gets

[violetcabra]

Fascinating, and they from many different threads! From what I've observed it seems that the post numbers of comments in dreamwidth are randomized rather than sequential.

Toolkit for a mad world

[(Anonymous)]

Toolkit
I feel beyond all the data which can frustrated me massively I really want a Toolkit of sorts. If people who are trying to stay sane and balanced towards themselves and other human beings could all post a couple of practical things they do when confronted w hysteria maybe that would be a resource

Re: Toolkit for a mad world

[(Anonymous)]

My personal favorite is to say “of course. Why wouldn’t it go like this.”
I also quite like “When in panic or in doubt run in circles scream and shout.”
Other people were using the litany against fear from dune.
I do like the “fear is not real” speech from After Earth
Another suggestion of mine is the modified stationary panic by Patrick F. McManus: really get into it but don’t let your feet move.
Other people are using music

Moving into the magic territory
Cold water
Hoodoo bath from the magic Monday faq
Daily Banishing Ritual

There’s a rough toolkit you can pick and choose from.


That is

University doing covid testing of everyone

[stcathalexandria]

My daughter's university started to use their brains God gave them and is doing mandatory testing of everyone who moves into the dorms no matter what the vaccination status. They are finally beginning to admit that vaccination doesn't confer any sort of immunity or prevent transmission. These facts about the vaccines were in the published information when they were approved but everyone made decision based on their preferred media narrative and not the original source material. So frustrating.

[(Anonymous)]

about a million people have either:

1. become institutionalized; that means prison or a nursing home.
2. left the United States entirely.
3. died.

during the past year, according to Karl Denninger's analysis of US labour stats:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243470

[(Anonymous)]

I'm reading your book Monsters, and the part on demonic obsession seems creepily relevant to the Covid situation: people who, no matter how rational they may be in other areas of life, push one idea or set of ideas as far as possible, regardless of how destructive they are. Well, the comfortable classes seem to have decided to push for as close as they can get to zero Covid risk, regardless of how destructive it is; and now are pushing that everyone must get vaccinated, no matter how little it helps them, how much it harms them, and no matter the other consequences.

Do you think this might be demonic? I've tried to come up with alternative explanations, but this seems like one of the simplest....

[ecosophia]

I proposed a speculative hypothesis along these lines here.

[(Anonymous)]

Dr Robert Malone says that universal vaccines risk creating a “superbug” that can evade the vaccine protection which is focussed solely on the spike protein, by mutating new virus strains. This escape mutant will put at risk those who need the vaccine the most, the elderly, the obese and sick. He believes that only they should have been vaccinated. Geert Van den Bossche, another vaccine expert has said the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc

These leaky vaccines are only 40 – 60% effective against infection (and only short term too, roughly for 6 months) so these vaccines are not good enough to give “herd immunity”. To get real herd immunity, the low risk people need to become infected with covid, as that will give them the broadest and most robust protection.

Vaccine mandates violate the integrity of self and there is no logic to them as both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread covid. I would urge people not to give in to them as they will only be temporary anyway.

The video is here with a transcript and good footnotes underneath of Dr Malone.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/part-2-dr-robert-malone-on-ivermectin-escape-mutants-and-the-faulty-logic-of-vaccine-mandates_3981859.html?fbclid=IwAR19h2jLCzGsArJDdIgY6vYbA-0-x_VLLT4Gckl5_8LkCZ_-hUkl6kecpoM

[(Anonymous)]

It looks like access to one of the major banks in Laos will be restricted to vaccinated only. I wonder how long before it spreads to other banks and other countries...

https://laotiantimes.com/2021/09/08/bcel-customers-must-provide-proof-of-covid-19-vaccination/

[(Anonymous)]

I'll just add this to the list of reasons not to keep my money in a bank.

cardiac event

[(Anonymous)]

Every time I see this - "required surgery last week after suffering a cardiac event" - I check twitter to see when the person was vaccinated. And sure enough they always were.

https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/1382400149637455880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1382400149637455880%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-35112562852865212052.ampproject.net%2F2108280007001%2Fframe.html

But don't worry it was a "genetic" heart issue. Is that code for mRNA vaccines?

https://www.tmz.com/2021/09/08/triple-h-paul-levesque-heart-procedure-wwe-wrestling/

Re: cardiac event

[(Anonymous)]

Heard that a friend just got airlifted to hospital because he blew out one of his heart valves. Open heart surgery and now in a coma, high probability he'll die. He wasn't doing anything strenuous at the time, 44 yrs old, very fit (but not over trained) military guy. He got vaxxed four months ago, no other risk factors or health issues. I'm sure it was just a coincidence. As was the severe whole body clotting post surgery of two people I know of and my father in law going blind after routine cataract surgery caused a haemorrhage in his eye. All these things do happen, however, they do seem to happen alot to the vaxxed.

[(Anonymous)]

I’d like to have Mark or anyone else with knowledge in this area share their thoughts on the following if they feel inclined.

I have four particular clients aged 39 to 64 that I train a total of 9 times per week. I’ve been training them for 36 years combined. They are all highly driven professionals in excellent health, lean, watch what they eat, and generally look after themselves. The first two were first vaccinated with the Pfizer three to four months ago, and have gotten the second shot. The second two were vaccinated about a month and a half ago.
During the 36 combined years that I’ve worked with them, not one of them has missed a session due to illness. Family commitments, holidays, tired, yes, but never for the reason of being sick. All of them missed at least two sessions immediately after getting their first injection due to flu like symptoms. They have subsequently missed 12 more sessions between them. One has historically refused to admit that they can even get sick, but told me yesterday that they contracted RSV three weeks ago. They are still struggling, no better than when they first got it.

Two of them seem to be coming right, but the first two to get vaccinated (who also have the highest pressure jobs but are strong as horses), are still struggling with their health. I’ve trained them for 26 years combined, and have never known them to admit to being ill.

My mother also needed about three to four months before she started feeling “okay” after getting her Pfizer shots. It is this prolonged post shot illness a noted phenomenon? Could it be an overactive immune response?

Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a medical expert by any means, but I think it could equally likely be an *under*active innate immune response. The paper I cited in my comment this morning suggests that possibility as well.

My current theory is as follows: the trouble with genetic vaccines is that they make a large number of human cells produce foreign proteins which makes the immune system want to kill those cells, but actually killing that many healthy cells would be bad so the immune system activates tolerance mechanisms which effectively buffer or neuter the first line of attack. If this innate immune response is weakened, it makes it more likely that invaders will gain a foothold, causing illness and eventually activating the slower adaptive immune response.

Mark L

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone know how reliable Ekos Politics' Polling is? They have a poll saying the PPC will win around 9.5% of the vote in the federal election; and if this is the case, then the political blowback against the madness in Canada might be coming a lot earlier than I thought....

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2021/09/daily-tracking-september-8-2021/

Ivermectin Vs Remdesivir

[(Anonymous)]

I can take that there is some debate around Ivermectin. Many of the studies are small and some are flawed. Few are large-scale double-blind RCTs. I can also appreciate some cynicism here around the large-scale RCTs because we know there are interests that try to discredit generic drugs: I wasn't entirely convinced on HCQ (but am still open to it having some effect if given early enough), but it's worth noting that the Surgisphere debacle was an attempt by somebody to discredit that drug with two fake studies. And that the editor of The Lancet, Richard Horton, is on the record as blaming that very debacle on Big Pharma.

However, despite all of that and my lack of certainty on both drugs, the part of this story that does get me is Remdesivir. The studies for it are weak. They don't show anything much in the way of reduced mortality. Even the shorter hospital stays--the basis on which it was approved--is now in doubt. Even the WHO says it doesn't work. And a Cochrane Review says it doesn't work. It also has a worse safety profile than IVM.

Yet, it was approved after a single study in the US that failed to show reduced mortality and had its goalposts moved halfway through the study to shorter hospital stays. Then other western nations quickly followed suit. Of course, it's a patented drug with a high price.

And nobody blinks. The legacy media never mentions it or questions it. They never bring it up in comparison to Ivermectin. The Chief Medical Officer of my country (Australia) said in The Guardian that not a SINGLE study had shown Ivermectin to be effective in humans against Covid--again, this is blatantly incorrect whatever the efficacy of this drug turns out to be. And still nobody blinks or corrects him. Nobody mentions that overseas governments HAVE approved this drug and thought the evidence was compelling enough to give it a shot.

I could perhaps accept there is a debate around Ivermectin given the extreme techinicalities of how studies are interpreted and meta-analyses are conducted, but not the double standard with Remdesivir. Nobody is saying this drug does much. Even some of the same experts criticising Ivermectin ALSO criticise Remdemsivir as being just as bad.

Yet it remains approved and in widespread use.

Re: Ivermectin Vs Remdesivir

[drhooves]

"Even some of the same experts criticising Ivermectin ALSO criticise Remdemsivir as being just as bad."

One is promoted and backed by Big Pharma, the other has been out long enough that it's essentially in the public domain, with little profit potential. Follow the $$$.

I found it surprising when the recent crackdown on Ivermectin sales and prescriptions ramped up so fast - apparently we deplorables are not allowed access to a product which isn't "approved". But the reach and wrath of the crackdown convinced me that Ivermectin works, so I am now ready to emulate a 1260 pound horse should I get the crud.