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troubledThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Re: Some more reactions

Date: 2021-09-12 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Someone may have linked to this already, I haven't made it through all the new comments:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-new-york-hospital-will-no-longer-deliver-babies-after-staffers-resign-over-vaccine-mandate/

From the article:
"An Upstate New York hospital announced that it will stop delivering babies this month after several staffers in the maternity department resigned over the hospital system’s coronavirus vaccine mandate.

At least six unvaccinated maternity staffers at Lewis County General Hospital have resigned in recent days and seven others remain undecided on whether to get vaccinated, Gerald Cayer, chief executive officer of the Lewis County Health System, said at a Friday news conference. The staff shortage will result in the hospital being “unable to safely staff” the maternity department beginning Sept. 25, he said."

In the end, Biden's vaccine mandate may collapse not as a result of the slew of promised lawsuits from governors, but because some/many/a crucial percentage of the people who keep the basics running refuse to comply and just quit.


Update to a couple of my previous comments:

I ran some errands around southern Vermont yesterday and noticed a return of masking at a number of stores. There is no state mandate anymore, but it looks like a number of employers are requiring their employees to mask up in response to the 'surge' in cases here. As of September 10, 2021, there were 141 new cases of Covid (no distinction between actual cases vs. just positive tests), 30 hospitalized and 9 in ICU, and one death in the 70-79 age range. Even in a small state with a population of around 650,000 people, this doesn't strike me as much of a surge. On the other hand, there are a ton of NPR and MSNBC fans here and those outlets have been pushing the Covid = Certain Death idea pretty hard so I'm not completely surprised at the fear level.

Nonetheless, I went about my business barefaced and nobody gave me a second look. A minority of customers at the businesses were masked, mostly rather elderly people. We have out-of-state family arriving next weekend and we intend to have a great time, as the 'fall festival' season is beginning and they're a lot of fun.

Re: Some more reactions

Date: 2021-09-12 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I happen to have exactly no idea how much the average maternity ward makes on a given day. Based on my children’s births I’d say $20,000 per baby (insured.)

And no idea how many babies either so I’m just throwing out 5.

So approximately a loss of $100,000 a day.

Now I guess we’ll see how long the hospital wants to weather that.
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