Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I was reading that in the design phase for the development of these covid vaccines the criteria that they used for success was reduced symptoms not prevention of infection.

So that is what they developed. Vaccines that do not prevent infection but do reduce the symptoms.

Now this strategy is great for phram profits but horrid for long term public health.


Honestly i think this is one of the best starting places for talking points for the un vaxxed.



It goes strait at the heart of the problem. The "vaccines" WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO PREVENT INFECTION ONLY TO REDUCE SYMPTOMS.

[(Anonymous)]

This exact issue is the 'tell' for me. Biden, et al might be idiots, but not everyone up there is. They know that the vax isn't capable of ending this. As you say, it wasn't even designed for that purpose. And there is NO public messaging around diet, exercise, sunshine, fresh air, vitamins, alternate prophylactic treatments, etc. It's just crickets in this department. All of which betrays the fact that this entire process is about something else. The fact that this only requires a minimal number of premises to form a tight logical argument, and this isn't being done widely is maddening.

Aztec Gods

[realmscryer]

Wonder if the upcoming chanting to the Aztec gods in California schools will add fuel to the covid fire? Hypodermic needles will be the new obsidian knives!

Re: Aztec Gods

[open_space]

That's scary to think about! Fortunately, at least it seemed to me in a very limited sense, that some of the Aztec gods don't seem to be interested in physical sacrifice anymore, but it also seemed they have no problem with offering people to become insane.

Afterthought to ultimatum

[(Anonymous)]

It just occured to me...do you suppose TPTB opened up the US southern border in anticipation of this? A significant minority of US workers will walk away from our jobs rather than submit to the jab. Do you think TPTB wanted to make sure there were lots of new workers in the country, too desperate to resist anything?

Re: Afterthought to ultimatum

[(Anonymous)]

Illegals are usually not "on the books" and so wouldn't need to follow these vaccine mandates unless they chose to. Illegal aliens have more freedoms and access to government services (they get subsidized housing, free medical care, and SNAP) than American citizens.

[stcathalexandria]

Between your post JMG on the a possible magical cause of all this mess and Biden's proclamations, I'm actually feeling quite energized. The fog has lifted a bit and I feel like I can clearly see what is occurring. Not that I "like" any of it, but the sitting and waiting all mid-August till now caused me quite a bit of anxiety. I could feel something was moving, I saw dark clouds rolling over people's homes sometimes while I was driving, and the online hysteria never went away after Biden's election. *Something* was activated in 2016 and kept growing all this time. I've had to keep isolating myself more and more from people and social situations to not get infected. The Covid thing made that separation much easier!

I'm still fascinated by the really strong push for implementation of critical race theory based policies and programs everywhere simultaneously while this pandemic rages. The two are so obviously intertwined as it is the same group of people hysterical over Covid and pushing CRT, and your theory is the only thing that makes sense.

So now energized by knowing the landscape I am on and what is before me, I can focus on goals and daily practices to live in this new place. There is no going back, no normal returning. There are lots of people who are going to rationalize and give excuses for what is occurring and we each have our coping mechanisms. I no longer see it as my job to try to convince them of anything. It's my job to live in this new reality and demonstrate through my actions how to deal.

If someone wrote all this as a movie plot it would be deemed too unreal. Real life stranger than fiction again!

[(Anonymous)]

stcathalexandria -- Thank you. What you write here, this is exactly what I am feeling and perceiving.

Biden's address to the nation, to me, that was worse, far worse, than 9-11.

Well, as I write this on Friday September 10, 2021, it is a relief to be able to finally just accept it, after all these many months of trying to figure it out, that the people around me (mainly PMC) really have lost their minds. It's not a metaphor.

Thank you also to our host, JMG. This forum has been a godsend.

Amaranth Puckish Oyster

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a longtime lurker, first-time commenter.

First, a BIG thanks to Mr. Greer for hosting this forum! Truly an island of sanity and comfort!

I also follow Karl Denninger's Market Ticker forum. (LOTS of unDruidly language from him and his commentariat, but I have learned a lot from all of them.) This morning his post is a hugely defiant rabble rouser that gave me as a lonely unvaxxed person a big emotional lift. If you need a dose of strong, rebellious "WE WILL NOT TAKE THIS MANDATE" thinking, his perspective might help:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243538

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for sharing this, definitely a good read.

A thought

[(Anonymous)]

A refrain I see over and over is how isolating all of this is for those of us who are part of the commentariat JMG has cultivated on this and the other blog, vis a vis the other people in our real world social circle who may have drunk various amounts of narrative Kool aid.
It’s certainly something I feel.

I get the sense that many of us might be caught in the vise between keeping our heads down in the offline world (which is wise), and wishing to know if any fellow humans from JMG’s commentariat might be close by geographically (which would be not only comforting but potentially mutually helpful in whatever is to come).

If this sort of cautious Ecosophian networking has already been discussed, I humbly ask forgiveness for missing it.

Re: A thought

[deathcap]

I'm near but not in Fayetteville GA. I would love to find like minded people around here.

[ilona9]

Illegal aliens have more freedoms and access to government services (they get subsidized housing, free medical care, and SNAP) than American citizens.

That seems really unlikely. Do you have any evidence you'd like to share about this? Could you add any specifics?

I expect our hospitals treat everyone involved in a car accident without first asking whether they are illegal aliens.... but I don't think illegal aliens in general have free access to everyday medical services.

A website about immigrant law says
https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/foodstamps/
"Undocumented immigrants are not, and never have been, eligible for food stamps."

Perhaps you have specific situations in mind, and I should learn more about them. But to say that "illegal aliens have more freedoms and access to government services than American citizens" is a very broad statement.

[(Anonymous)]

You are correct that Illegal Aliens themselves cannot claim Food Stamps, and I think that saying that Illegal Aliens have more access to freedoms and services is a bit disingenuous, but many of them know someone who knows how to work the system to their benefit. As someone who works in law enforcement in a border state, I can tell you of a few specific examples I know of that seem to be pretty common (though by no means am I saying that they all do this, law enforcement obviously deals with the trouble makers more than others).

Illegal Aliens have a child in the US, who is now a US citizen, and claim tons of benefits for said child as though it was a ward of the state, because the US does not recognize any of their income. Doesn't matter how well these individuals are getting paid under the table, its not recognized income, so they get access to every available state and federal benefit to take care of their US citizen child. Housing, WIC, insurance, food stamps, its all covered.

US Citizen is married to an illegal alien, but because US does not recognize the illegal alien's income, the US citizen claims benefits as though they were a low income, single parent. Same benefits as above.

Illegal Aliens generally go to the emergency room in hospitals for everything because they can't turn people away. Got a head cold but don't have insurance? Just leave when you are done, its not like they are going to be able to track these people down. They'll just spread the cost to other people who have insurance. One of the many reasons that hospitals will charge an arm and leg to insurance companies for routine services.

Life in Covidtide

[frittermywig]

Some thoughts this week

1. We await the result of Mrs. Mywig's request for a religious exemption from the vaccine mandate at her firm (in Ontario) without much hope. She had been hearing the mysterious voice encouraging vaccination, but no longer: Today she tells me she woke up with Tom Petty's I Won't Back Down playing in her head!

2. The video "Mass Psychosis," that's been linked to in these open posts a couple times, cites Jung, so I picked up his short book, The Undiscovered Self. From the first chapter: Under a regime of scientific rationalism, the "goal and meaning of individual life (which is the only real life) no longer lie in individual development but in the policy of the State, which is thrust upon the individual from outside... The individual is increasingly deprived of the moral decision as to how he should live his own life, and instead is ruled, fed, clothed and educated as a social unit..." I think he may be on to something there.

3. Jeremy Boreing's statement of non-compliance with the Biden vaccine mandates last night was encouraging. I wish I heard more public statements like it.

4. Mrs. Mywig and I are recommitting ourselves to discipleship of Jesus Christ. Working on the premise that there are malevolent powers active in our lives right now, we have added the prayer of protection called "St. Patrick's Breastplate" to our daily prayers. I just encountered the idea of a "caim prayer" and wonder if anyone here has any experience with them? There seems to be a superficial resemblance to the SoP ritual.

My family is handling this crisis better because of the wise and kind words shared here. Thank you, JMG.

Re: Life in Covidtide

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks very much for referencing Jung's The Undiscovered Self.

It's a subscription!

[(Anonymous)]

I read it somewhere : It's a subscription!

Just like everything else in this rentier economy, you don't own anything - you just rent it...

and if the effects of the vaccines include ADE or just tampering with your immune system, then you'll have to rent it, i.e., get the booster jabs forevah!

Shareholder value and all that - big pharma is making a killing

Apparently Israel is going for the 3rd/4th dose...and then jabs every 6 months...or else your vaccinated status will expire...or something like that

So is this gonna be the new normal?

Re: It's a subscription!

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone know how the Palestinians are faring? They haven't had much access to the vaxx, as I understand it. I guess Israel thought they were sticking it to them by denying it to them but it looks likes this might be an epic own goal.

[tamanous2020]

And on top of the recent mandate push, it looks like they're starting to gun for the pre-teen population as well. A push to have the vaccine approval for that age group done by sometime this october.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-decision-on-pfizer-covid-19-shot-for-kids-age-5-11-could-come-in-october-say-sources/article36396974.ece

[team10tim]

From the Gaurdian:

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

Citing a US study that male teens are at greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than of hospitalization from Covid. 12-15 years 162 per million and 15-16 years 94 per million myocarditis from the vaccine vs 44 per million hospitalizations from covid. Curiously girls are at a much lower risk of 13 cases of myocarditis from vaccines per million.

So, I expect the FDA to approve vaccines for 11 and under. I further expect that the heart problems will be even worse for younger boys.

Chris Martenson Peak Prosperity

[deng]

Hey John. FYI you get another honorable mention on Chris Martenson video 'Peak Insider Live 006 Replay' at the 25 minute mark. Den

[(Anonymous)]

The temptation to jump into mass movements has been strong lately, and I've been dealing with a lot of anger and feelings of hatred. Fortunately all the magic work has paid off and a guiding force has "strongly suggested" that I stay away from all that noise and focus on the individual path where I can be most useful. Someone has to have their head together for the cleanup when this is over.

[tydestorm]

I wanted to share these resources with anyone that may not have come across them yet.

This first video is Peter McCullough talking about early treatment for Covid and censorship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHi3lX3oGM

Kinda surprised that one is still up at all.

This second one leads to a pdf for at home Covid treatment options:

https://aapsonline.org/covidpatientguide/

And the last is a compilation of studies done on various Covid treatments such as Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, etc.

https://c19early.com/

Feel free to share these if you find them useful!

Dr Peter McCullough

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you so much for this. In case the Dr McCullough link on YouTube goes down, this one should be good-- I found it on the page that let me download the free PDF booklet.

https://rumble.com/vay2vx-dr.-mccullough-explains-treatment-protocol.html

Amber Radiant Gila Monster

[onesage]

They’re using OSHA and calling the unvaccinated a workplace risk.

[(Anonymous)]

OSHA is far too lean to enforce work place safety as it is. I think the inspectors I deal with here in the heartland will looking the other way.
Gawain

[kashtan]

Wow, Biden's speech has just raised the stakes considerably. I was a bit surprised back in late winter/spring when the enormous tension that was present last November-January seemed to be easing. It was only a superficial calm and I knew it wouldn't last. Starting around late July/early August I could feel it getting noticeably worse again, but until a couple of days ago I'd still have said the tension wasn't nearly at the level present last winter. Then came the bombshell of Biden's speech. In some ways it's comparable to Clinton's "Basket of Deplorables" speech in 2016, but it's an order of magnitude worse because it's the sitting president making actual threats to a substantial portion of the population rather than just name-calling by a candidate that has no real power if not elected.

One of the crazy things to me is that Biden's handlers seem to have the mindset that once someone is vaccinated, they'll somehow be converted to their team. At this stage, nothing could be further from the truth. At this point, almost all of us who are unvaxxed feel strongly against it, those who were on the fence have generally already gotten vaxxed or have solidified their positions against it. More mandates will increase the numbers of vaxxed a certain amount because many will likely take it out of fear of losing their job, but even if people in that situation do take the vax, they're not going to suddenly join team Biden. In fact they're likely to be further enraged against the authoritarian state even if they feel that they have to comply for now. If the vax does end up having enough serious long term problems that can't be swept under the rug, the ones most enraged will tend to be vaxxed themselves, because they are who will be most effective. If the scenario that was mentioned as being a possibility happens of angry mobs tearing apart people involved in pushing the vaccines, I bet the majority of those mobs will be people who were vaxxed themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the most surreal part of the vax effort here in Canada too. A lot of people are acting as if as soon as someone takes the shot they'll be fully onboard with the whole thing. I suspect we may be about to find out this is absolutely not the case in our election...

[weilong]

There is a lot of talk today about the US government's new vaccine mandate, and what it means for the unvaccinated. I would just like to point out two things to keep in mind:

1) Creating division between people is probably a major objective, and demonizing others plays into the hands of those in power. Even the most stalwart have friends and family who have taken the vaccines for one reason or another. Let's continue to love those people and hope for the best for all of them.

2) Although it looks grim for the holdouts at the moment, don't think for a moment that those who have taken the vaccines are going to get out of this easy. Once they are done with the anti-vax crowd, they will turn on the vaxxed. As others have pointed out, in an abusive relationship giving in to abuse only invites more abuse.

[(Anonymous)]

With the introduction of boosters, the definition of 'vaccinated' may well shift over time to exclude those who have 'only' had two shots.

blood toxins?

[(Anonymous)]

Something I have noticed (and wonder if anyone else has seen) is people post-vaxination have acne over their jugular. Like a rash on that side of their neck below their chin, or a boil or two over the artery.

Re: blood toxins?

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen one person with that sort of weird rash; I didn't connect it to the vaccine, but it did appear not long after she got her first dose...

Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

I was vaccinated back in April. It's a personal choice I made; one that I don't love having made, but it is what it is. I do not plan to get any boosters and I hope that the pressure will ease before I am forced to make some truly hard choices about avoiding that. At the moment, I can't say I'm hopeful that pressure will be easing soon enough.

All that said, what Biden said and did yesterday feels to me like the darkest moment in this country's history that I have personally experienced. I fear for where we are heading. 9/11 and the ensuing march to war and security state were terrible and the last year and a half has been incredible challenging. But this is a new level of horror for me. This stark and blatant pitting of vaccinated against the unvaccinated and this attempt to force people to take an unproven medical intervention against their wishes is something that even in the darker moments of this pandemic I did not expect to see. I suppose, despite my cynicism, that I was naive.

This is a very dark and dangerous attempt to divide us and pit us against each other. To my great horror, far too many of my fellow Americans are playing right into this ploy. For whatever it's worth--perhaps not much--I just want to say that I support every person who chooses not to get vaccinated as well as those who do; I do not support those who think they should be able to tell others what they should do with their body; I emphatically do not support this disgusting attempt to force people into medical interventions they do not choose; and I have never been this disgusted with my country before. To everyone out there who is unvaccinated and angry and fearful right now, please know that not all those who have been vaccinated support this--my great hope is that it will become clear in the coming weeks and months that a great deal of us absolutely do not support this monstrous decision. We will see if that's true or if I'm just being naive again.

I hope that all of us, in this very challenging time, will show support to each other regardless of whether we have chosen to be vaccinated or not. One of the goals is to pit us against each other. We all have the choice whether or not to hand them a victory. At a time of such stress and anger and fear--and I feel it too, even though I am not one of the people under direct threat at the moment, which tells me that those who have chosen not to be vaccinated likely feel the same multiple times over--it is easy to turn against one another, and far too many already have. I am doing my best, and praying to my gods, to give me the strength not to lose myself entirely to fear and anger and hatred--because, yes, I have felt some real hatred the past few days--and to instead focus on my better self, on the work before me, and on how best to be a good member of my community during such a terrible time.

May the gods help us and may we help each other get through this.

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with every single word of this, so much that it's uncanny -- I was even vaccinated in the same month.

After stewing in fear and anger all day today, I finally realized that it was simply a trap: if anything, whatever forces are behind this want us to overreact and slide into the same mistakes the Trump-deranged did four years ago. I prayed for the gods to bring me back to the light, and since then a sense of calm and peace has come over me: a sense that they have this handled, and my job is to avoid falling into the darkness of hatred and fear.

Thank you for expressing this so eloquently.

[troyjonesiii]

Recently, Jen Psaki has been pointedly talking up how the vaccine was approved under former President Trump, that he took it, etc. And, to be sure, that is true, but it is strange that they would be giving credit where credit is due all of a sudden. They have not been averse to taking all credit for the vaccine's success up to this point, so the cynic in me wonders if the sudden shift to "Trump-approved vaccine" type language is laying the groundwork for trying to distance themselves from the vaccine-- the Trump-approved vaccine-- in the near future.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-says-it-didn-t-expect-such-vehement-opposition-to-trump-approved-covid-19-vaccine/ar-AAOjtsM?ocid=msedgntp

If the vaccine does turn out to have serious long-term issues in a broad swath of the population, the media and the Biden administration will say they tried to warn us about this dangerous Trump-approved vaccine all along. And the "independent" fact-checker web sites will all "independently" back them up and say that is factual-- as the social media giants, meanwhile, disappear all evidence to the contrary.

[(Anonymous)]

This is one of the indicators that I figured would be a sign that something is very, very wrong with the vaccine. If the propaganda ministry suddenly reconnects Trump with the vaccine, it is probably because they are setting up another “Orange Man Bad” narrative.

PHE bulletin 22

[bluemoose]

Public Health England bulletin 22 is out. Worth a look. Saw a link to it on TAE. Actually surprised there is not more chatter about it. Looks like the 3rd and final fictional reason to get vaxxed is starting to fall by the way side. In short, the number of deaths attributed to delta for vaxxed is starting to exceed non-vaxxed in both number and CFR. Last few sentences from TAE before 'read more...' is:

what does this mean in terms of the risk of death if infected with the Delta Covid-19 variant? Well it means the risk of death increases significantly in those who have been fully vaccinated. 536 deaths have occurred among 219,716 confirmed cases in the unvaccinated population since February. This is a case fatality rate of 0.2%. Whereas 1,091 deaths have occurred among 113,823 cases among the fully vaccinated population. This is a case fatality rate of 1%.

I downloaded the pdf from PHE and the data is there, hidden in plain sight. I wonder why the 'investigative' teams over at CNN and BBC are not all over this? (J/K).

Re: PHE bulletin 22

[(Anonymous)]

One complicating factor here is how likely the vaccinated are to catch delta vs. the unvaccinated. If they're 5x more likely to die but 0.2x as likely to catch it, then the numbers even out and what we're looking at are the people for whom the vaccine was ineffective. In that case, a plausible reason for the numbers is that those most likely to die of the disease (because of, say, a problem with their immune systems) are also most likely to not develop immunity from the vaccine.

Just ballparking the stats here, according to the NYT (so take that for what it's worth) the vaccination rate in the UK is 72% for one dose, 65% for two:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

I'll go with the 72% figure for now. So there are about 2.5 vaccinated people to every unvaccinated person in the UK. Now, we saw that the total cases among the vaccinated were about half the total cases among the unvaccinated, so overall, which works out to right around 5x as many cases among the vaccinated adjusted for proportion of the population.

So the data is at least consistent with the idea that this is an affect of the vaccines preventing cases, rather than vaccines making the virus more deadly.

[(Anonymous)]

MODERATOR!

Please review my post below carefully and remove it if, in your judgement, you find it not appropriate for this forum.
In no way I’m admirer nor I want this blog to be associated with the movement this person represented.

I found the quotes below particularly relevant today, like the author became mentor to some of our politicians.
You can easily find who he was by copying one of the quotes to your favourite search engine. The second last is well known. The last one, at least to me, is the most scary.

Are we heading in the same direction? For you to judge.

Wandy

“Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.”

“The masses need something that will give them a thrill of horror.”

“Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will.”

“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.”

“Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose.”

“It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.”

“This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it.”

“If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”

“If the day should ever come when we must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction.”

[(Anonymous)]

Whatever else you might say about old Dr. Goebbels, he certainly knew his craft. I distinctly remember a neo-nazi character on an old television show remarking that the Third Reich's Minister of Propaganda "would have had a ball with television", and I think that is absolutely true.

[d_mekel]

Does anyone know if religious exemptions are a possibility?

[(Anonymous)]

It'll depend on where you are, the exact policy the federal govenrment uses, and the exact policy your company uses. No one can say yet.

[ari_ormstunga]

I told my manager yesterday that if they mandated the vaccine I guess she was going to have to fire me. She said she'd have a hard time firing me because she'd be fired herself. We both had a good laugh. Sometimes it pays to live in Deplorable country. Almost all of us, including the owners, have already had Covid, and the bulk of us absolutely refuse to get the death jab.

[(Anonymous)]

I am west coaster-- already thinking I need to move inland. Like, yesterday.

[adastraoracle]

Many thanks to JMG for this area, and to you, the commenters. I'm grateful for the comradery, albeit virtual. It has been a welcome resource.

I will affirm that 2015 was the year when I began to sense something very unpleasant was beginning. A totally new person in my life suddenly appeared, who turned my life upside down--and is now mercifully not in it. And I hypothesize on the spiritual aspects being discussed here. In looking back, I wonder...were people that are actually awake, with real probity, approached in a negative spiritual pre-emptive strike circa 2015-2016, to remove, diminish or mislead 'light workers' (sorry, I know that term comes off as cliché, but for lack of a better word I'll use it) in greater numbers to strengthen the current position of the negative at this time? I see some anecdotes here and think this might be so.

In my discursive meditation this morning (thanks JMG for posting about that, super helpful), the theme I chose to focus on was immunity. Turns out, it was absolutely perfect for filling in the blank as a positive affirmation regarding any negative idea, or words, or actions, that have been slung around lately: "My immunity to ____________ is strong." Or, "I am immune to _______."

Powerful stuff. Blessings to all.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I experienced something like that, but I really do think it had the opposite effect on me. It got me "going back to church again" (metaphorically speaking), I would say. --Mr. Nobody

[(Anonymous)]

One of the richer sources of information about the risks and problems with the "vaxx" is the podcast "Jerm Warfare." It may have been mentioned on this forum earlier, if so, sorry, I missed it. (But I think I am catching most of the comments here!)

First of all, the fact that this podcast, by a young South African cartoonist, is such a source, tells you how bad the censorship is that leading scientists and medical doctors, among many others, are turning to such platforms in order to be heard.

And I would say that Jerm has been doing an excellent job of interviewing these experts. One his latest is with MIT scientist Stephanie Seneff, which you can listen to here:

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/stephanie-seneff

Now if anyone who listens to this still wants to get vaxxed, I just don't know what to say, except maybe, "boo!"

Chartreuse Rumbaing Starfish