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absurdities and atrocitiesAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-06 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear John Michael Greer and forumistas,

Thank you for making this possible. It gives me great, great solace to see this open anew each Tuesday.

Cetiosaurus

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Date: 2023-06-07 12:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, thank you JMG and all contributors. I'm seldom able to read through all the discussion threads, but knowing that the community is here each week to check in with is a great solace.

Dylan

Hope on Tuesday

Date: 2023-06-07 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] roobyalien
I second your sentiment Cetiosaurus.

Often I see the new Tuesday post and I wait for someone to write something and contemplate things I could share.

Thank you JMG and all forumistas for the anchor you have provided me these last years. I consider this my community even though I am not a frequent contributor.

Rooby

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Date: 2023-06-07 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deathcap
I've not had much to say over the past couple weeks but I'm still here lurking.

I can't say this is an oasis from the insanity because nowadays nobody wants to talk about matters...the insanity seem sto have largely died down. Though it seems like a lot more people have droopy eyelids than they used to. Beyond that, it's like discussion of COVID has dried up. I'd say it all felt like a bad dream but it's still ongoing as a background concern.

I'll be reading this and scrolling through every comment until it goes away. And it's infinitely better than the comment sections on substack...which are in turn better than the comments anywhere else.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 07:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fredsmith11
Most normies I encounter are just trying to get on with life in what they agree is an increasingly crazy world.

They talk about friends being sick in strange ways and some dying, but don't want to talk about COVID and the vax. Probably because to seriously consider that issue runs the risk of collapsing their 'reality' and to the realisation they may have screwed themselves. It's a big leap from trusting in the medical system and government to seeing it as a major threat to your wellbeing.

The way things are looking the situation in Ukraine could irretrievably collapse the Western narrative for that fairly soon - "reality intrudes" and perhaps that collapse ripples on to the COVID narrative.

In the same way the jab had no therapeutic value and only injured and killed people, economic sanctions and the futile military efforts of the Collective West have only hastened their own demise.

It also looks like that we might have passed peak woke viz. Bud Lite and Target and people are speaking up about the insanity of drag queen story hour, trans men athletes competing against women etc.

In other words you have to be a dedicated Woke Delusionista to carry on supporting the various official narratives.

I was interested to hear JMG talk about men's rights on a podcast the other day. The blatant societal discrimination against men has pissed enough men off that there's a reaction there now too.

Definitely interesting times.


awake-vs-woke


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Date: 2023-06-10 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I am really grateful to see this series of posts continue, as everyone else seems eager to forget what happened though it is terribly relevant to what lies ahead.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-11 02:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Do you have a sense as to how many of the people who took the vaccines will die as a result? I'm hoping it won't be a very large number, and I was getting hopeful that it wouldn't, but I'm starting to see evidence that it will, and my intuition keeps telling me to prepare for a lot more deaths than I'm seeing. I sincerely hope that it's wrong, but your comment seems to suggest to me you think my intuition is right...

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-11 08:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] transcriberb
Thank you, John Michael Greer, this forum is a treasure.

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Date: 2023-06-06 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Back in the original hypothesis, you outlined an endgame, stage 11, where the deaths became impossible to ignore, triage became the order of the day, governments proclaim the arrival of the predicted hyper-lethal variant and new rounds of shutdowns and the like come. Given the death rates are rising, to the point where it's getting hard to ignore, do you still think that's plausible?

I'm trying to figure out what happens now, but it's increasingly looking to me like your hypothesis was right in broad outline, just off with timing and (maybe) the cause of the deaths....

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 03:30 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"CDC Warns That Pride Events Could Spawn Massive Monkeypox Outbreak"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cdc-warns-pride-events-could-spawn-massive-monkeypox-outbreak

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] coyote_girl
So we had to lock down, leaving old people to die alone, isolate children and steal critical years of their lives they will NEVER get back to stop the sniffles, but promiscuous disease vector events are okay.

These agencies and their policies only make sense if the objective is to maximize harm and suffering with a big helping of corruption.

Sounds like devils to me. People would do well to keep far, far away from them. The endgame does not look like it will be pretty.

Quote from the article:
Adding to the potential crisis, the CDC also acknowledged that it was exploring a theory that the monkeypox virus “may have evolved mutations to evade the two-dose Jynneos vaccines that were rolled out last year to protect against it,” CBS News reported.

Gee, another vaccine failure. Who could have imagined?

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
It's not just the CDC. It's every institution.

Without getting into details, I was fuming this morning about a new law that introduces yet another minor irritation into my life, ostensibly in the name of "safety." Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can see that it is completely pointless. Once again, I am left to conclude that the people making these policies are either incredibly stupid, or operating on some malicious motive (or, more likely, some combination of these).

Anyway, it seems to me like the way forward is for individual people to ignore the government and the corporations and go their own way. We'll be over here rebuilding society while that hot mess falls apart. Maybe we can salvage something useful from the ruins later on.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-09 03:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] p_coyle
be ungovernable, or, as scotlyn put it so well many weeks ago, be a weed. now is the time for sand in the gears, sugar in the gas tank, &c.

the other day a pitcher in mlb who was given some consideration for the cy young award last season (the highest honor for a pitcher in any given year for the legions of non-baseball fans here) tried to blow a ball into foul territory. not the first time this tactic has been tried in history, and it ultimately failed. he had no help from his teammates, which may have produced a different outcome.

there are ways to operate within the system, yet askance of the rules, that just might work in the right situation.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-09 02:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
since you invoked me, here I am... :)

I have had a few more thoughts on the matter, partly in response to stuff I'm reading... https://samzdat.com/the-uruk-series/

One of the things he points out (in several places in this series), is how "we" (meaning, generally, western peoples) have come to trade in our actual power for the appearance/image of power, or failing that, for a story about how all power lies ELSEWHERE and is being misused...

As I riffed on this thought, I realised that to accept a power is to also accept responsibility for the use of that power, and for the consequences. Whereas to accept the image of power, or to accept a story of power lying elsewhere, does not.

Each of us is powerful, as in we possess abilities, and capabilities, often unregarded, unused, untested, but real. These powers may be small* - we can change things that are within our reach - the state of our houses and gardens, the happiness of a few people, etc - BUT they are real. If we choose to use one of our powers, this directs us to the domain of ACTION, not of APPEARANCE. And, of course, in the domain of action we risk failing. To act, is to accept risk. And to accept the power of action, is to accept the responsibility of action.

And, actually, I think this is the move most likely to restore each of us to our place in the dance... :)

*obviously none of us is ALL-powerful, and the world remains chock full of things we cannot change or influence. However, the real, if small powers we do have, should not be discounted, or disregarded, nor left to rust unused... nor should we be too quick to succumb to the multiple temptations to cede them to outside forces - whether narratives, or experts, or rules, or conventions, fear of failing, fear of judgment, or the weightiness of personal responsibility, or anything else.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-09 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
That looks like something interesting to read. Thanks for the link.

Something that has been bothering me more and more in the last few years (not that it's a new phenomenon, just my focus has changed) is that so many people are willing to say "rules is rules" and go along with whatever stupid diktat comes down the pike. What is especially disturbing is that people do that despite privately thinking that the diktat is nonsense. Actually, I've come to believe that the whole point of school is to train people to follow nonsensical instructions without grumbling or asking questions.

When you have a company or a government or a country full of these people, everybody does whatever stupid thing "the system" tells them to do. And nowhere is anybody responsible for it. From the top to the bottom and back, the buck just gets passed round and round.

The only way to stop this whole mess is for individual people - each of us - to take responsibility for our own actions. We have to do what we think is right, and refuse to do what we think is wrong. We have to accept responsibility for, and the consequences of, our actions. It can be small things, and one at a time. Responsible action will be the building blocks of our new society. That might look like the dark ages, but at some point it might look better than what we've got.

On the subject of rules

Date: 2023-06-10 10:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There are more and more nonsensical rules, that is for sure, but here is another thing going on: they make rules and then don't tell us about them until we have broken them. Was in a work situation this week where to attend a certain remote meeting, you had to connect with a laptop. Except, no one told attendees they were forbidden from joining the meeting with a phone or tablet. When folks did join with a phone or tablet, they immediately got a very public and humiliating scolding, i.e., this was not a polite request to please connect with their laptop, it was a virtual pointy finger shaking, you are a bad person, dressing down. One person being scolded stood up, virtually, and said, show me where it says I have to connect with a laptop. He was emailed an obscure policy document that no one had ever seen before. The lesson from the experience for me was, when you get called on something, the first thing to do is say, show me where it says I have to do that. They will most likely have a document or edict they can cite, but at least then you have a solid target you can fight. I started my campaign right after the meeting, asking why the policy exists and how we change it. If the idiots making up this bullcrap are busy fighting to keep the existing moronic policy, they won't have time to make up new ones. And if I am fighting moronic policy instead of working and they are not making new policy because they are fighting to keep the old one, well hey, that is sand in the gears of the machine.

Re: On the subject of rules

Date: 2023-06-10 04:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
Ha, ha, thanks for this. A nice bit of bureaucracy-fu!

Re: On the subject of rules

Date: 2023-06-10 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Congrats: you have now experienced being autistic ;)

The whole rest of the world is running on a handbook of inscrutable rules nobody ever told you about, and which you will not find out about until you have violated them so egregiously that someone feels compelled to tell you what you are stupidly doing wrong. If you're lucky. Most of the time people don't tell you, and you can't figure out why you got kicked out.

Re: On the subject of rules

Date: 2023-06-10 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
That's basically how the whole industry works, where I spent the last ten years of my corporate career. There are mountains of procedure and policy manuals, which you may see once or never at all. You do your job the best way you can figure out. Then, years later, there is an audit and you get called out on the carpet to explain why you weren't following the rules laid out in some obscure document that you may or may not have read once but certainly can't remember, and which anyway is far from clear.

Re: On the subject of rules

Date: 2023-06-11 11:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
...and also there are (were?) mountains of people employed to produce the procedure and policy manuals which will never be read, or acted upon, except under audit, inspection, or trying to figure out how best to "win" in a conflict between parties in or connected to the company...

For a few years, I was one of those people, employed "defensively" by a small food producing company increasingly subject to audit and inspection - especially by its corporate clients' "Quality Depts". I was terribly aware of how little value I produced for the company's bottom line compared to the people on the floor and in the transport departments. My role was simply to make sure an auditor or inspector would not find an uncrossed "t" or undotted "i" in any of the dusty tomes that I myself had mainly to produce, and with everyone - auditor and auditee - conspiring to pretend that the paper trail is an adequate proxy for what actually happens in practice during production.

It struck me that my presence, at first filling a brand new job title for a small company that had never before hired a whole "quality control officer", and later, having to train in three different people to replace me when I left, was surely part of the "bureaucracy" stage in Stages of Chaos, which is highly destabilising (ie the multiplication of non-productive employees at the expense of the productive ones), and must surely be followed by a fascinating "aftermath"...

Which, I suppose, we are all witnessing, and participating in, round about now...

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-10 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"When you have a company or a government or a country full of these people, everybody does whatever stupid thing "the system" tells them to do. And nowhere is anybody responsible for it. From the top to the bottom and back, the buck just gets passed round and round."

Indeed..."You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about." Many fine insights here...thanks.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-10 04:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
"When you have a company or a government or a country full of these people, everybody does whatever stupid thing "the system" tells them to do. And nowhere is anybody responsible for it. From the top to the bottom and back, the buck just gets passed round and round."

Ok, this is a statement of the problem that the series above considers (at some length, but then, I like that kind of thing).

But in the last essay - https://samzdat.com/2017/08/28/the-thresher/ - he makes a handy distinction between different kinds of power.
Agency - which is personal power
Command - which is power OVER others

I found that this distinction beautifully explains what *exactly* is going on in the scenario you describe. (And it is almost equally true of mobs, as it is of bureaucracies).

When no one has agency, it is harder for them to fend off structures or entities that command them, even when it works against their interests.

However, not having (or not accepting) agency powers does not mean one does not have or exercise power, because certain group entities - eg. a mob, eg. a bureaucracy - can wield, and even weaponise, effective command powers without any participating individual ever being responsible (ie - accepting the responsibility that their *agency powers* would entail).

Of course people always have MORE agency than we believe, if we choose to act on it, but a) everything in our economy, culture, politics, etc, has an interest in helping us ignore this, and b) there are risks, since accepting power entails accepting responsibility, and it is all too human to be risk averse.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-10 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
And, ok, sudden "lightbulb" just switched on for me when I looked back at your post and the word "system" jumped out at me.

We are always complaining about "the system" and yet are never (except by butchering a lot of facts) able to precisely locate who is running it.

And this is because *no one* is running it (ie - with their own self-appointed agent powers), and yet, it HAS the command powers that effectively DO push people around, because people in groups can DO that - relinquish individual agency powers in exchange for an invisible stake in a group structure with command powers.

And this is why the "system" can certainly goose us in the rear end, but is never ever to be seen when we turn around.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
When I first heard about Monkeypox, one of the first things I thought about was the late, great, Australian, Frank Fenner, who's credited with overseeing the program that exterminated smallpox - which is another orthopox virus.

Do you think Fenner, who was convinced (at least in his later years) that overpopulation would lead to extinction of the human race, perhaps within as little as a hundred years, ever regretted his role in eliminating that particular scourge?

And what are the origins of this 'Monkeypox' again? Another lab 'leak' perhaps? I wouldn't put it past the eggheads after what's happened recently. In fact, given recent events, I can't help but wonder if the egghead's masters haven't also considered Fenner's grave warning.

The Ninth Mouse

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Date: 2023-06-08 01:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My first thought was that monkeypox might be cover for a smallpox leak. My second thought was that if it wasn't, then it may not be obvious if there is a smallpox leak....

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 05:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In her book, 'Dark Winter', another Australian Professor, Raina McIntyre, also voices a concern about Monkeypox being able to mask the start of a smallpox outbreak, because the symptoms are so similar in some ways.

Watch this space.

The Ninth Mouse

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 01:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow. They're actually talking about it as a disease spread among gay people? This could get extremely interesting indeed....

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-13 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"CDC Warns That Pride Events Could Spawn Massive Monkeypox Outbreak"

I think is not an exclusive Christian thing that pride comes before fall, is also the meaning behind the word hubris.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think we're seeing the early stages of it in the employment/jobs/disability numbers.

Tons of jobs. Not enough people who can/will fill them. Disability numbers soaring.

At least part of that is people simply leaving formal employment for greener pastures: informal work, shadetree businesses. But a big chunk of it may be a lot of people, at all levels, who are no longer able to hold down a job. In "nice" professions, this looks like a bunch of people taking early retirement. In gruntwork, this just looks like businesses cutting their hours, closing lobbies, or automating their checkouts because they can't get enough humans to fill the jobs. Maybe some of that is not offering enough $$ to make it worthwhile. I don't think that's the whole picture.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"Maybe some of that is not offering enough $$ to make it worthwhile. I don't think that's the whole picture."

Well, I'm in the midst of a round of job hunting, and will say I've never seen so many good jobs open to hiring and offering to pay as much as I do right now. They may suck, and likely some of them will, but right now it looks like the absolute best job market I've ever seen for employees. So, unless these jobs have some sort of hidden evil, I simply can't imagine that this is even much of a factor at all.

The degree of flexibility on display is also unprecedented, so the only explanation that makes sense to me is that there are a ton of people out there who are simply unable to work.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If this is the case, I'd *kind of* expect to see it more in physically demanding jobs-- the sort where you have to be on your feet all day (warehouse runners, food service, nurses), or where the job description says you have to be able to lift 50 or 100 pounds. BUT it might also be happening in cognitively demanding fields, given what we're hearing about neurological effects. It's just... I'm not sure it'd be as clear-cut there, because those workplaces are also more likely to have a lot of BS jobs that don't demand much at all, and that might mask the problem a bit.

If it's not too nosy, what sorts of jobs are you seeing this in?

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 01:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Warehouses, construction, service work, restaurants, across the board. The one which really caught my eye though was that there are a number of jobs which used to require expensive training in advance, connections, or prior training that are now willing to train. Jobs such as some cushy bank jobs, jobs in the local hospital, or government jobs now.

I'm fairly open to see where my job hunting goes, so I'm looking at a little bit of everything. Given I can survive a few months unemployed (or even longer if need be by moving in with family), I'm willing to take chances and look at things I know I'm not qualified for; but a good number of these are calling me back too now....

This may not match your experiences in the US; I'm not sure how high your vaccination rates are, but I'd bet a fair sum of money that they're substantially lower than ours here. Not just do I live in Canada, but I live in Ottawa, which is about as Middle Class a city as you'll ever find; so it's entirely possible what's happening is way, way, way worse here than most other places.

Job Openings

Date: 2023-06-08 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello fellow Ottawan. Nice to know at least a few other sane people are here in town! Ron M who posts here is in Ontario, not sure if also an Ottawan. I think the high vax uptake here is having stronger effects than a lot of places. Also I think a fair number of people skipped town when peole were being very bonkers (like the Mom at the kids playground in Jan 2022 who was screaming about killing the unvaccinated). God Bless the truckers.

Stuart Cram

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm delighted to hear OTJ is making a comeback somewhere!

After reading this thread, I went and trawled the local job listings (have been out of the market a while) to see what people were asking for... and it seems like it's still flooded with the usual BS where they only want someone with 3yrs experience operating this very particular equipment, specialized training and licensing, etc. Though I did see a higher-than-expected number of listings for high-school education, willing-to-help-you-get-the-licensing positions, so perhaps things are starting to bend after all.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 07:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Depends on whose figures you believe, the US could be missing up to 2-3M workers due to vax injury.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-11 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Three people in positions that I could get promoted to are C19 vaxx sick - constant colds, allergies, over reactions to C19. I may have a promotion in my future at this rate. They are going to have to hire white men because we are quickly getting to an all hands on deck kind of situation.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 04:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kimberlysteele
Where to even begin with that plexiglass photo... That cannot be real, yet part of me is like, yeah Kim, it's real. How are they supposed to exercise when they've got plexiglass that close to their bodies? Plus the horror novelist in me envisions the carnage that would ensue with the mildest of earthquakes, and they would almost deserve such a grisly fate for being that dumb... sheesh.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deathcap
I 100% believe it. Why? Well, lemme tell you. My local pool decided during 2020 to use the floaty pool rope things to divide the pool into 6 by 6 foot squares which you had to reserve ahead of time so you could be six feet apart in an outdoor chlorinated swimming pool.

I wish I was kidding, but no, that seriously happened! Location: Fayette County GA.

Silliest thing I've ever seen.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...and what a nightmare that would be if somebody had an emergency and the lifeguard had to jump in! Good luck with the rope maze.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 12:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There was a lady at my local pool lap swimming with a mask. Everyone had to listen to her sputter and gasp for 10 minutes until she finally gave up. It was like slow motion drowning.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 03:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We had a self-waterboarder at my local pool as well. His solution to go on keeping his cognitive dissonance at bay was to simply let his mask slip down to his chin, so that his mouth was uncovered and he could breathe. "But I'm still wearing my mask!" Yes, Dear, technically I guess that would be true. Maybe next time for variety's sake you could try wearing it on your kneecap or perhaps as a codpiece.

I was hoping that we had managed to get past all of that truly demented behavior, but this winter an older fellow came to the pool and announced that he had suddenly realized that the pool was the only place he did not wear nitrile gloves while out in public. We then had to watch his blue hands splash their way up and down the pool for twenty minutes until he finally took the ridiculous things off. That happened this winter, as in 2023!

Some people got permanently traumatized by the mass hysteria and will end up carrying their PTSD with them to their graves. They will never be able to move on from the spot where they made their inspired last stand and fanatically tried to kill the Changer. Something unrecoverable inside of themselves died instead — that's a pretty bad oopsie, if you ask me.

— Christophe

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 07:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ha, ha, ha! Love the pool gloves.

You've made my day :)

The Ninth Mouse

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Date: 2023-06-08 07:11 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks so so much for all the laughs you have provided over all these weeks Christophe. It has been a really important balancing influence to all the concerning craziness.

Jez

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Date: 2023-06-09 01:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks, Jez. I just figure, if we can't laugh about life and death, we must be doing it wrong.

If there's anything worthwhile that we can learn from the siege of Troy, it's that gods always have themselves a rollicking good time whenever we wage another futile war. Can you imagine their gaping incredulity when we started wearing masks in the vain hope of blocking a respiratory virus? We may actually be able to inspire a few of them to go all supernova if we keep behaving this hysterically! Alas, here on earth, we'll only become aware of their thunderous ovations six hundred billion years hence. Still, it's the thought that counts.

— Christophe

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-09 03:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] p_coyle
using a mask as a codpiece... it's a dress up day at work tomorrow, i might give it a try! "i hear the spike protein has an affinity for the gonads. better safe than sorry!"

thank you for the humor you bring to this forum.

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Date: 2023-06-09 02:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Oh, someone *please* post pictures!

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Date: 2023-06-08 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fredsmith11
The winner! :-)


Brainwashing-factcheckers

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Date: 2023-06-08 12:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, Kimberly, you must remember the 6-foot circles painted on the grass in urban parks and the strange plastic igloos that restaurants placed in the street gutters in front of their establishments for your dining pleasure... and safety, of course! I remember watching people "enjoying?" their meals in those igloos in the dead of winter because each one had a tower gas heater in it. I kid you not! I couldn't figure out what was most likely to kill the occupants if that fire should spread — breathing the toxic fumes from the melting plastic sheeting and PVC framing or full-body burns from the instantly ignited plastic tarps, dripping down in flaming rivulets on them and their most-likely flammable clothing.

I mean, come on, those sudden-death bubbles made the vaccines look like a relatively safe choice in comparison. Let's not talk about what they looked like in a heavy wind! Only once did I pass by two that had been viciously twisted by a fierce storm into a bent, torn, and deflated mess, half on the sidewalk, half on the street. The risks people were willing to take in order to signal to their peers that they hadn't yet fallen out of the class that could still afford to eat and be seen in the "right" places were simply jaw-dropping.

Surely, you haven't already forgotten the delightful check-out-aisle plexiglass, have you? How was anyone supposed to be able to shop when they've got giant plexiglass walls separating [protecting?] the cahsiers from the customers? That was particularly ludicrous when the stores then taped off a square that you were required to obediently stand in, but which didn't allow you to get to the credit card keypad or hand the cashier any cash.

Any time I got reprimanded for leaving the sacred quarantine square to insert my credit card at the wrong time, I would then dutifully put my card away and get out cash instead. It was always so funny to watch the abusively over-controlling and neurotic cashier then try to get me to leave the quarantine square to hand them my money. Oh, no way, Baby, I am way too obedient for that — you're likely to end up straining a muscle trying to reach around that plexiglass barricade to get my money now!

Mostly, I felt like the cashiers were just as victimized as the rest of us, but woe to the unthinking fool who took it upon himself to enforce the reining covidiocy on me. Did they really think they were going to effortlessly defeat me in their social-signalling flame war? Had they never consider that I might be able to weaponize passive obedience at least as effectively as they were? Child, I will take that conformist straight jacket you're trying to make me wear and turn it into something so non-conformist you wish you had never put in my hands! As Mr. T used to say, "I pity the fool."

— Christophe

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Date: 2023-06-08 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] coyote_girl
I was one of those expendable, er, essential workers in a different occupation. When they called us heroes, I thought it cheapened the term. Then I quickly realized when one is called a hero, they are being set up bigly.

Oh those squares. I would always stand outside of them. When someone asked, I would just say, "Those mark the trap doors."

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Date: 2023-06-08 05:28 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I had a routine ready for when somebody insisted on me wearing a mask.

I would say: "I have a condition that prevents me from wearing a mask."

If pressed as to the nature of that condition, I would then say: "I'm not a f***ing idiot."

Sadly, the opportunity to use this never arose.

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Date: 2023-06-08 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Trap doors :D

It is true about "heroes". That's also what we call firefighters, while we simultaneously mandate the awesome array of toxic chemicals in construction materials and furniture... that ensure the firemen all die of cancer before old age. Yay toxic smoke.

It's what we call EMTs while simultaneously not paying them enough to support their families.

It's what we call cops while we cut their funding and appoint DAs who undermine them by releasing dangerous criminals without bail.

Never trust a compliment.

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Date: 2023-06-08 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
LOL! That's a keeper. The lines have mostly vanished here in northern New Hampshire but if I ever hear anyone ask what happened to the lines on the floors, I'll just remark casually that the trap doors didn't work right so they gave up.

The local Walgreens here is weird. They still have the 'heroes work here' spray painted on the outside of the building but inside the plexiglass barrier between the clerk and the customer seems to appear and disappear randomly maybe depending on who's at the register. I don't know. I gave up trying to figure it out a long time ago.

JLfromNH/Emerald Pestilent Midge

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Date: 2023-06-08 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"Those mark the trap doors."
Yes, and I will remember that saying. Thank you.

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Date: 2023-06-09 03:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] p_coyle
get some stickers made, and use them wherever you still find this sort of foolishness.

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Date: 2023-06-08 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm sure it's real. It has to be because you just can't make this stuff up. When the pools around here opened up again after the initial lockdowns, they were forbidding swimmers to shower on the premises. Yes, that's right: the showers that were installed decades ago to prevent the spread of disease were closed off and forbidden to be used - to prevent the spread of disease!

Old Steve

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Date: 2023-06-09 07:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My favorite experience so far with the bat flu zaniness was last year walking into a Catholic chapel trying to find some holy water but I kid you not! - only to find a gallon jug of hand sanitizer plopped into a free-standing holy water font. On a wall nearby was the traditional wall niche for holy water: bone dry. I gazed up at the one religious piece of art on the walls, a Virgin of Guadalupe painting, and asked her if holy water was no longer "the thing" for Catholic churches. At least I then knew what the Branch Covidians used for holy water. I took a photo of the jug as proof for the day no one will believe what I saw.

l'm very ecumenical and try to look for the best in people. My best experiences in this whole fiasco besides finding almost a half dozen people in my life unjabbed were (1) going to an evangelical protestant church for a lecture when my county was still mandating masks indoors to see no one indoors wearing a mask in a group of over 1,000 people and (2) exiting a church after a 2020 midnight Christmas Eve vigil to find the priest who never wore a mask indoors was at the door outside still unmasked and ready to shake anyone's bare hand with his bare hand, the first skin-to-skin handshake I'd had with a stranger in 9 months - steeled me good for getting kicked out of a family Christmas dinner the next day for being unwilling to disclose by jab status. Yay me and my new pal, the unclean leper in the New Testament!

I believe the PTSB Committed Covidians have fried their brains from a lack of enough oxygen by masking way too much plus have weakened their neural pathways for the love hormone oxytocin which is activated quickest with skin to skin contact. Add jab blood clots and other nasty side effects like addiction to dopamine hits from virtue signaling or being stuck with fear or flight adrenaline junky behavior and here we are. It's like dealing with drug addicts. As others have written in this thread they have to want to change. Until then, I give them and all hand sanitizer containers at building entrances a wide berth and pass out mentally a lot of Darwin Awards.

A big warm hug to all of you for the always welcome laughs.

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Date: 2023-06-09 11:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baconrolypoly
It was like that at the hairdresser I use, plexiglass screens between the seats. I did ask how it worked, given that hair dryers were in use at nearly every chair, blowing around any germs that might be about, but didn't get an answer.

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Date: 2023-06-09 02:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
The tickbox was checked. That's all that mattered.

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Date: 2023-06-09 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Less than a month ago, I went in for a scheduled doctor's visit. The doc had a very noticeable respiratory infection, speaking hoarsely and coughing periodically. She made sure to tell me that it wasn't Covid, and insisted on standing eight or ten feet away. Then she made a big point of reassuring me that she'd do my thyroid exam while holding her breath. She continued that performance while examining my feet.

I looked down and said, "You know, I can see your nose through the gap at the top of that mask. It's fine with me if you just take it off." Nope. Out she went, to exhale in the hallway. Not the slightest speck of common sense was evident, but it was all very chipper.

I've got some longstanding health issues that require prescriptions, so opting out of all allopathic care really isn't an option for me. Now, the primary criterion I look for is a solo practitioner, or at least someone not in a large, money-grubbing practice more interested in serving Mammon than the patient. I don't trust anyone I used to see. My eyes have been opened.

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Date: 2023-06-09 11:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I stay away from doctors whenever possible, but when I do have to go... as soon as something weird and nonsensical happens, I'm out. This sounds like one of those situations.

First ran into that years and years ago: new town, new doc, highly recommended by people I knew. Got in the office on the 11th day of a migraine... and the PA left me in an exam room with a smock and instructions to undress.

For a headache. On my first visit. Before I ever even met the doctor. No medical reason for that, IMO, but lots of psychological gamesmanship in it-- can't think of a better way to establish an unequal power dynamic right up front than insisting one party be naked at the first meeting. Never went there again.

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Date: 2023-06-11 02:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Kimberley! I wanted to let you know I've taken up your challenge of making a point to keep the bathroom clean every day (the toilet room in Japan). I find something there each day to give care to.

Canadian Cancer Patients to USA

Date: 2023-06-07 04:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I saw this when I checked the KOMO news site the other day:

https://komonews.com/news/local/british-columbia-canada-vancouver-bc-bellingham-whatcom-county-cancer-care-health-public-government-funds-vulnerable-payments-cascade-center-joseph-peace-diagnosis-minister-universal-system

My family lives in the Seattle area, so I check the local "news" several times a week. Canadian breast and prostate cancer patients are being sent to Washington state for treatment, as Vancouver lacks the capacity/facilities to do so.

Make of it what you will...

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Date: 2023-06-07 05:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
This is not medical advice, nor homeopathical advice for that matter. But here is a paper by the Mexican National Institute of Medicine and Homeopathy about a group of homeopathic therapies for COVID-19. Since some people have gotten reinfections recently or had sequels, I figured it would be good to share in case anyone would like to consult a licensed homeopath to chat about it.

A group of homoeopathic medicines for COVID-19: A systematic review of clinical features

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Date: 2023-06-07 07:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was talking with a guy from work who had a horrific reaction to the vax and almost died. While in the hospital hanging on for dear life he felt completely disconnected from god, transforming him from semi-religious into an obnoxious atheist. Our conversation on the subject began when he started choking like a cat trying to cough of up a hairball. He said it happens to him regularly now, which is pretty terrifying. Also the part of his personalty that made him charming despite his numerous faults is rapidly disappearing and now he's becoming more belligerent. It's like a six year old trapped in a sixty year old body. He reminds me of the descending beast on The Wheel card. I think I'm actually witnessing someone being dragged off to hell, and it's probably time for another banishing ritual tonight because after hanging out too long in his atmosphere I feel kinda gross.

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Date: 2023-06-08 04:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, Yeah, you definitely want to do a clearing after being around that kind of hopeless, repressed rage. If he's feeling disconnected from god while at the brink of death, that's either a relationship that he himself has decided to sever, or else god wants to have nothing more to do with him.

There's not many things that will cause god to renounce us. We're human, so we err all the time. God's certainly gotten used to that by this point. Sadly, from your description, it sounds like the most likely cause would be that the poor man finally succumbed and invited in a fast-talking, miracle-promising demon. In that situation, I would be desperately trying to cough up something I shouldn't have swallowed, too!

Leading people into such hopeless despair that they'll let themselves become demon infested is the over-arching demonic goal behind all of the fear, isolation, and self-poisoning that we've been so methodically subjected to. A lot of people are definitely going to cave and give themselves over to the demonic — that's already baked in the cake at this point. Since you gotta break a few eggs to make one anyway, you might as well put this unfortunate experience to good use and learn what the warning signs are. Whatever you do, don't try to rescue someone who does not want to be rescued from the hell they've created. Depending how powerful the demon is, it might even be able to drag you down with it.

Pour your energy, love, and hope into people who haven't given up by placing their bets on the demonic side. There are countless millions out there who have been expertly groomed by demons over the past few years to stupidly cross over. Sometimes all it takes is one kind word, one blessing, to fortify their resolve and keep them from making the mistake of a lifetime.

— Christophe

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Date: 2023-06-08 07:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow, that's pretty heavy. Poor guy.

This reminds me

Date: 2023-06-09 07:19 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In 1917 Rudolf Steiner predicted that in a century or so a vaccine would be developed to alienate people from their spiritual selves and deaden all religious impulses within them. Looks like he hit it pretty much on the nose.

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Date: 2023-06-11 12:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
My biggest reason to refuse the vax was concern that it could blind my inner eye. I would prefer to die than take any vax, now that the new mRNA technology is being applied widely. Psychopathy has been characterized as "moral Daltonism," i.e., like a color-blindness, as it is similar in a sense: you see all the details of the same picture but the moral implications fail to come across. It is also said the condition can have organic causes (some genetic and some experiential components as well). Some people have noted a connection with EMR exposures, others with chemicals (I don't have references at hand, unfortunately).

natto

Date: 2023-06-07 12:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] michele7
A few posts back, the benefits of natto on covid had a small but lively thread. One person asked about fermenting natto without using commercial spores. I'd like to share my experience. After falling down the YouTube rabbit hole of watching umpteen "how to make natto" videos using plants as a source of the Bacillus subtilis, I used celery stalks as my bacillus source. I have celery growing in my garden, so I cut a few stems, stripped off the leaves, boiled them for a minute to get rid of any other bacteria. The fermentation was successful, but the natto sticky threads were not as strong as the commercial natto spore batch. I did find one source that used fig leaves and stated that the natto threads were as strong as commercially made natto. That will be my next batch since I have fig trees in our garden. I encourage any one who wants to try natto, but doesn't or can't get the spores to give a plant source of natto spores a try. Some videos I watched used mint stems, basil leaves and celery stalks.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-07 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Did not see the previous discussion on natto - I used store-bought natto as starter, 24hours in the yogurt crock-pot. Stringiness (ie.sliminess) is as in the seed patch. It truly is strange stuff, I need to make myself eat it, but just a little peek on overall effects makes me a convert. I am thinking the biofilm, the slime is probably the good stuff. Difficult to think offering it to anyone to eat, but the benefits are pretty convincing. An interesting thing to think about: are we eating for pleasure or utility? If you need to choose, can you (can I) choose utility?

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 01:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you for this. In answer to your question, and, well, I don't know if this is an answer, more a response: I think some things become an acquired taste.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 01:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I first heard about natto from Rintrahs' blog-he recommends mixing the slimy bits with soy sauce and mustard. Might make the texture and taste a bit more pleasant? I am taking the storebought supplements-no slime involved, but not a long-term option as collapse accelerates.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 02:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
For me natto was an acquired taste: at first it made me want to gag, then I came to tolerate it, and now I quite like it.

It's worth trying a few different ways to eat it - I like it spread on hot-buttered toast with some seeds sprinkled on top.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh! Thank you for this. I read the whole previous discussion, and it never once occurred to me in all that, that my instapot has a yogurt setting, and that you could culture from a commercial batch... the exact same way I inoculate new batches of kraut with brine from the old batch, and have made kombucha using the dregs from a purchased drink. doh!

Sometimes the old lightbulb has to buzz and flicker for a minute before it blinks on ;)

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
When I lived in Japan as a teen, they taught me to mix it with mustard, soy sauce and a raw egg yolk, and then mix it into hot (japanese) rice. It is one of my favorite breakfasts ever.

But then again I am weird. YMMV.

--Ms. Krieger

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 01:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you!

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 07:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you very much for this! I had not heard of celery roots or fig leaves as a source. I just started making natto following the "All Day Long I Eat Like a Shark" u tube channel instructions. The japanese brand natto maker he uses is possible to find on ebay and makes the whole process very, very easy.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 09:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My experience with several batches this winter produced much the same result-- definite fermentation, even a hint of the ammonia smell. but the finished product lacked really sticky threads

I'm too far North for figs, but we have mint galore. Will give your technique a try this summer.

Till then, I'll just use commercial natto spores bought from an entity our host calls the "big slimy river." ;-)

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-09 11:25 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i've struggled to make natto at home, too. i hadn't realised that soya beans took so long to cook, 5 hours simmering! i've got some on the go at the moment after 2 failed attempts using a thermal cooker (insulated saucepan, like a thermos flask, that retains heat for many hours), plus some natto spores bought from aliexpress (they actually did come on a slow boat from China, delivery was 6 weeks). i'll try the fig leaf idea if that too fails, so definitely curious to hear if anyone has success from will harvested bacillus subtilis.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-12 12:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] michele7
Try steaming the beans in a pressure cooker. Soak the beans for 24 hours. Drain and set in a mesh basket in your pressure cooker with an inch or so of water in the bottom. Bring to pressure and cook for 40 minutes. This is the method I use and I get perfect texture each time.

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-12 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
thanks, i'll give it a go. i read that properly prepared natto should have a strong ammonia smell immediately after the fermentation, and i haven't had that at all, so i'm cautious as to what bacteria i'm actually culturing!

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-08 08:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
Fun story. A few years back I picked up a hitchhiker, and spent a large part of the day taking her to see sights and meet people (as you do in Southwest Donegal). She was Japanese.

In those days personal devices usually had one function. Think - calculator. But she was carrying a personal translating device. And it was a great help in keeping the conversation going.

So, at one point the question arose - what is a typical Japanese breakfast? Out came the personal translation device... tap, tap tap... and the answer included a thing the translator called "go bad beans". I recognised that "go bad" probably was an attempt to translate "fermented", so I asked her "miso"? this being the only Japanese "fermented bean" thingy I knew anything about. She shook her head - "no". And proceeded to tell me the Japanese name, which I did not consign to memory.

However, after all of these years, I do get a giggle, every time natto gets mentioned, wondering if that was the thing that the personal translating device wanted to call "go bad beans".

Re: natto

Date: 2023-06-11 12:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I've used store-bought natto as a starter, too, but originally, spores came from rice straw bags in which boiled soybeans were placed and then, legendarily, carried on horseback for a day or two for some reason (see Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nattō ), after which they were sampled and found good.

An update

Date: 2023-06-07 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello!

Can we have an update on your views of how events will unfold concerning the vaccinated?

Regards

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
Last week, a poster linked to Rintrah who mentioned the steep increase in the Netherlands of people with memory and concentration problems. This was according to a newsbulletin of health agency RIVM. The news bulletin from RIVM is based on a quarterly inquiry that looks into symptoms that could be associated with Covid. It is based on reports from GP's but only looks for certain afflictions that are associated with Covid and its aftermath.

There is more beside the memory and concentration problems. RIVM reported also that there was a peak in heart arrythmia and dizziness in the first quarter of 2023. This is not a good sighn of course. I was hoping that now that the vaxxination spree and Covid itself have quieted down, the incidence of heartproblems would start approaching pre-Covid levels. That is obviously not the case.

Link: https://www.rivm.nl/gezondheidsonderzoek-covid-19/kwartaalonderzoek-volwassenen


PS I found this monitor of cancer incidence in the Netherlands. Till end of 2022 there was no increase, despite the situation in the US where according to The Ethical Sceptic a steep increase is going on. Unfortunately IKNL discontinued producing the numbers, so no information over 2023 is available. https://iknl.nl/monitor%20
Edited Date: 2023-06-07 07:54 pm (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 08:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Anecdotally I've also observed people whom I know to be 'fully up to date'getting much worse on the short-term memory front, and all under 60. Not a few of them in their 20's, and certainly not drug users or drinkers.

Even better, they are noticing this themselves!

Also, decaying eyesight. If middle-aged they are not alarmed, but it does seem to be coming on rather strongly.

The number of people seen in the street using sticks, in wheelchairs, generally looking frail, rapidly going white- haired has risen perceptibly: and these again are much younger than one usually sees, esp the 40-60 range.

On a more cheerful note, I know people with 5 doses of the 'miracle technology' who are bowling along as good as ever.

Let's keep our spirits up!

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-11 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
The bad news & data are coming fast now. It's good to remember that many people are stil just doing fine!

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-11 01:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
These are all, including the decaying eyesight, familiar to people suffering from electrosensitivity, which in many cases comes on suddenly after chemical or radiological overexposure. Avoidance of wireless devices and installations helped me live a normal life for many years. That has now been rendered impossible due to encroaching technology. Recently, I discovered that oxalic acid can play a key role in the part of the mechanism producing noticeable symptoms, which are neurological in nature. Reducing consumption of high-oxalate foods and attempting to mobilize sequestered oxalates has brought me relief, though I don't know how much this would apply to others.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-11 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
I just came across this. The peak in heart palpitations is not only in the Netherlands. The Britons also have heart problems https://news.sky.com/story/astonishing-rise-in-britons-with-an-irregular-heartbeat-these-are-the-main-warning-signs-12883566

Ecosophia Prayer List

Date: 2023-06-07 10:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
Here are all of the requests for prayer that have recently appeared across the Ecosophia community. Please feel free to add any or all of the requests to your own prayers.

If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below.

* * *

This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.

JH's mother-in-law Sue, who lives in Spain, has had a severe arthritis affliction in her knee that has left her unable to walk for weeks now, leaving her more or less bed bound; for prayers and/or healing energy for swift resolution of the issue and swift recovery of her ability to walk.

Tanamous's friend's brother David got in a terrible motorcycle accident and has been diagnosed as a quadriplegic given the resultant spinal damage; for healing and the positive outcomes of upcoming surgeries and rehabilitation, specifically towards him being able to walk and live a normal life once more.

One of [personal profile] open_space's best friends, Patricio Lopez de Nava Amezcua, was shot and killed last week; for the safe and pleasant passing of his soul. (Photo of Patricio here.)

Nicole's (shewhoholdstensions) 41 year brother Robert died suddenly in bed on May 15th; for a smooth and blessed journey on the other side. Robert was a single dad and he leaves behind three children: Hannah, Zack, and Jordyn; that they and Nicole be blessed and protected, and find what comfort they can during this very difficult time. (Update here.)

Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. (Lp9 gives updates here and most recently here, and says "things are a bit... murky"), and the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are still warranted.

* * *


Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.

If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.

Re: Ecosophia Prayer List

Date: 2023-06-08 06:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
Thanks for adding Pato to the list

Re: Ecosophia Prayer List

Date: 2023-06-11 01:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Thank you for the photo. I had a pet snake too. I'll add a special prayer for Patricio in the afterlife.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-07 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Apparently there has been a big increase in the number of brain abscesses in children. According to this article, it began in May of 2021.

https://www.sciencealert.com/abnormal-surge-of-brain-abscesses-in-american-children-cdc-says

Since this can be a side-effect of respiratory infections, the article says that this underscores the need for children to remain up to date on their COVID 19 vaccinations. It also includes speculation that this unusual occurrence might have been caused by the lifting of mask mandates. Science reporting at its finest, folks.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 04:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Clearly, the mainstream media has gone on the warpath to put The Onion and Babyon Bee out of business. If that article was not intentionally written as deadpan humor, then the author definitely missed her calling. She has the gift!

— Christophe

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 01:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
That's nuts, but explains how the difficulty of PROVING cause from effect is with Covid.

Does not bode well for humanity to pull themselves out of the death spin we're caught in....

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"this unusual occurrence might have been caused by the lifting of mask mandates"

Also climate change, eating red meat, transphobia and dark matter.

Waxxine and virus

Date: 2023-06-08 05:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I live in Romania, I meet waxxine and virus injured people any other day.

Re: Waxxine and virus

Date: 2023-06-09 07:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Other report from Bucharest, someone I know went to a funeral of a 30 year old male who died suddenly, and the mortician said that lot of people in their 30's and 40's are dying.

Also another person that came from Italy said that a lot of people that are vaccinated are having issues and are hiding them by treating them in Switzerland, which is a curious thing in itself since Italy has a good health system.



The Great COVID Death Coverup - Mercola

Date: 2023-06-08 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fredsmith11
Article here for about 24 hours: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2023/06/07/covid-death-coverup.aspx?

Some good charts in the article that show the spike in hospital deaths in early COVID times: " . . . the fact remains that the New York area experienced a uniquely sharp, awful mortality event in spring 2020 . . . ".

Hmm, surely a coincidence how those deaths fueled the propaganda machine.

STORY AT-A-GLANCE
Within weeks of the pandemic outbreak, it had become apparent that the standard practice of putting COVID-19 patients on mechanical ventilation was a death sentence; 76.4% of COVID-19 patients (aged 18 to 65) in New York City who were placed on ventilators died. Among patients over age 65 who were vented, the mortality rate was 97.2%

The recommendation to place COVID patients on mechanical ventilation as a first-line response came from the World Health Organization, which allegedly based its guidance on experiences and recommendations from doctors in China. But venting COVID patients wasn’t recommended because it increased survival. It was to protect health care workers by isolating the virus inside the vent machine

Data suggest around 10,000 patients died with COVID in NYC hospitals after being put on ventilators in spring 2020. Other metropolitan areas also saw massive spikes in deaths among younger individuals who were at low risk of dying from COVID. It’s possible many of these deaths were the result of being placed on mechanical ventilation

Excerpts:
If you were older than 65, you were 26 times more likely to survive if you were NOT placed on a vent. A small study from Wuhan, China, put the ratio of deaths at 86%, and in Texas, 84.9% of patients died after more than 96 hours on a ventilator.

Even Dr. Anthony Fauci, in a mid-June 2022 lecture, admitted that placing patients on mechanical ventilation did more harm than good.

Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-08 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear Mr Greer

Thought I would relate an incident that happened last week which perfectly illustrates the attitude of the liberal media. I ran into Polly Toynbee who was on her way to a book launch for her new book on class. Some of you might not know who she is. If I say that she is a famous columnist on the Guardian and the Observer, then that will tell you all you need to know.

I went up to her and asked her politely why there weren’t any stories about those who had been damaged by the covid vaccines in her paper. She seemed to be keen to reassure me that there had been a number of stories in the guardian about those who had been disabled by long covid and seemed keen to talk to me. I realised that she had misunderstood me and told her that I was talking about those who had been disabled by the covid vaccine. Her attitude suddenly changed, and she backed away from me saying that the science showed that the vaccines worked and that we will have to agree to disagree. She asked me if I had taken the vaccine and I said no and she said “there you go, you should thankful that people like me have taken the vaccine.”

I said that the vaccine did not stop transmission and she continues backing away and saying she did not want to discuss me. She told me that she did not want to talk to me. She looked like one of female victims in a Hammer House of Horror film who was backing away while she held of a cross to stop the vampire who was moving towards her. Some one else then came up to her and I gave up as I did not want to be accused of harassment and she had made it clear she did not want to talk about it.

I have to admit that I was not surprised by her actions and I went home. I felt I had a perfect right to raise the subject with her because she is a motor mouth who is always spouting her opinion on tv, radio and newspaper columns.

If any of you ever suffer from an infestation of Polly’s then call me in and I will get rid of them in 5 seconds.

Jasmine

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-08 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
“there you go, you should thankful that people like me have taken the vaccine”

I am, but not in the way she means.

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-08 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
(frying-pan sizzle noise goes here)

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-09 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
☕️🍰☕️🍰☕️🍰

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-09 02:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Good for you! Ms Toynbee put out a truly loathsome series of essays in the aftermath of Brexit about what could be done about those horrible, horrible people. Shame to see she hasn't changed.

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-09 04:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You had no chance. The Guardian is woke central and Polly is uber woke - the patriarchy and all that.

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-09 01:16 pm (UTC)
transcriberb: (Default)
From: [personal profile] transcriberb
Hi Jasmine,

Thanks for sharing this. Alas, I think this is what one can expect from people who are so dead-certain that they are the Good People who did The Right Thing and that those who question that in any way are the Very Bad, Ignorant, Selfish, Low-Class, and Icky-Crazy People. It's like a religion, and the object of worship is their image of themselves.

I sometimes think of them as having stepped into a sort of golden calf suit, and zipped themselves in.

Two of my transcripts capture this rather horribly. I already posted them on this forum, but if anyone wants to take a look:

On a Sidewalk in Calgary: Bev Meets Denis, Denis Meets Bev
"I'm trying to tell you something"
TRANSCRIPT: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/69550.html
source video:
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1635636270662656005/vid/576x1024/mDvMj5a4Max8fvPD.mp4?tag=16


Two Washington, DC Citizens Demonstrate "Vaccine Hesitancy" (June 2021)
"That's what this pandemic is. It's fear, it's fear, this pandemic. That's all it is."
TRANSCRIPT: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/77359.html
source video:
AMERICAN MASTERS Dr. Fauci visits D.C. to battle vaccine hesitancy
Season 37 Episode 2 | 7m 2s , Film premier 3/21/23
Promotional Clip:
https://player.pbs.org/viralplayer/3078349760/
Edited (more than a few typos, apologies for the bother) Date: 2023-06-11 08:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-11 05:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
The COVID-19 saga is nowhere near concluding. Looks like the party's just getting started...

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-13 03:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
this being said, it's time to start paying attention, keeping notes (receipts?) and making people answer for their mistakes. some sort of accountability needs to happen, in whatever form that manifests itself.

if everyone responsible is let off the hook, nothing will change.

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-13 12:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
Perhaps the word "responsible" is the one that should give us food for thought, in that, each of us bears responsibility for exactly the amount of power (agency) we have and can choose to wield... or choose to not wield. Either way, that much responsibility is ours to keep ourselves "on the hook" for. Of course there IS much that we do not have power over (and therefore are not accountable for).

But we have become used to "systems" and "bureaucratic bodies" and the like which exercise a great deal of collected power (the merged agencies of many becoming a single force of command), while carefully absolving each and every individual taking part in their actions, from any *sense* of personal responsibility. It might be a useful exercise in thought, and in will, to discover what "acts" we ourselves currently carry out, with the understanding that the system, or the bureaucracy, or the corporation, or whatever collected body, of which we are a part, absolves us of personal responsibility.

This may begin with individual people singling ourselves OUT of these systems by dint of ACCEPTING responsibility for our own power and agency, and going from there...

Re: Polly Toynbee

Date: 2023-06-13 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
That's a fine theme for meditation ;)

Lock down failure

Date: 2023-06-08 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear Mr Greer

There has been a report from John Hopkins clearly stating that the lockdowns were a failure. There was an article about it in the telegraph and surprising as it may seem there was a story about it on the BBC radio 4 Today program on Monday. Please see following link

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/06/05/lockdown-benefits-drop-in-the-bucket-compared-to-the-costs-landmark-study-finds/

And here is something from Dr Campbell about another report of the failure of the vaccines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrIeYpCp0fc

Jasmine

Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-08 01:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/disturbing-rise-in-cognitive-problems

Rintrah posted about it previously, but Igor has taken that post and expanded on it a bit. Worth the read.

Dutch government data are showing that the first quarter of 2023 saw a 40% increase in people seeing a primary care doc for memory/cognition problems, in the 45-75 age group. The increase is also there for younger folks, but a mere 31% there :/

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-08 04:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I was already fairly careful about not driving around unnecessarily. I don't live in a walkable city, and have no prospects for moving to one, so-- necessary evil, for now. Hopefully not forever. Still, one gets lazy. The reports on this have made me pay more attention to other drivers, drive more defensively, and consider, much more carefully, each foray out onto the roads. Do I really need to go? Could I make three or four stops and avoid a future trip? I used to do this to save gas... now I am letting mileage concerns slide in favor of being more careful at intersections, not counting on other people to stop for red lights, keeping a good distance between my car and other cars, bit of hypervigilance, that sort of thing.

Have seen a lot of impaired-looking driving going on lately. People not being able to merge, even when there's hardly any traffic (like, complete stop, on an on-ramp, look both ways several times, then ease out into a 40mph zone), people not able to stay in their lane, people going halfway into the left lane to pass a bicyclist with 8ft of clearance.

But, as always, I'm still new to this town, the stench in all the major intersections says 10% of the population is driving around completely baked, and I have no way of knowing whether the bad driving here is a longstanding problem, or something recent.

Is this how car culture ends?

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-08 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We have noticed a lot of really aggressive and/or impaired driving around here, too (CT part of NYC metro area.)

Also a new thing called "takeovers", when a throng of aggressive drivers (almost always young men) intentionally block an intersection/parking lot/etc. with their cars and use the space to perform dangerous tricks in motorized vehicles.

It's an interesting phenomenon. Obviously a lot of young men bored and needing to do young men type things. Instead of horses, they use cars and motorcycles.

But lately they've been getting kind of violent, trapping other drivers and jumping on their cars, etc., so the police have gotten involved.

In ANOTHER source of problems though, everyone around here is impaired by the screen of thick smoke funneling down from Canada into our area. It's really bad--smells like a forest fire here for the past three days, kids sports and field days canceled, people who work outside are sick, everyone has a cough.

Climate change + covid/vax injuries + testosterone = bad scene.

--Ms. Krieger

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-09 04:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yep, belief in the climate change narrative is a known cause of cognitive decline, so add that to the jab and you've got a problem for sure.

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-09 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I went out to get the mail. The sky was orange and it smelled like a campfire. I went inside and loaded up the Plume Labs air quality webpage. It said:

"Dire."

Well OK then.

(I'd bet the reason for that is that when they coded it, they never thought the AQI would get that high.)

That was a few days ago. Everyone in the house is coughing and we have a toddler. :facepalm: It's supposed to improve now for a while. But the news sites also say to expect this on and off all summer because they say the fires are away from populated areas so they're just going to let them burn, so the smoke will be back any time the wind shifts.

Seems like another sign of decline to me: Canada no longer has the wherewithal to put out fires that are affecting only their neighbors' citizens and not their own.

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-09 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Put a 20x20 hepa/smoke particulate filter on the intake side of a box fan and run it in the house with all your windows closed. It will take the smoke particulate out of your indoor air. I am always astonished at how dirty the filter gets!

My husband and I use that during smoke and fire season in Oregon. We got the idea from a friend who goes to China which has filthy air. It works for those of us who don’t have an expensive HVAC system for heating and cooling our homes.

Annette

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-10 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
I run some air filters in the house. Out of curiosity, I took some readings with my radiation detector (a bGeigie from Safecast, which I understand detects mostly alpha particles). For whatever reason, the dirty air filters give readings significantly higher than the background. Whatever they are filtering out is apparently radioactive.

Another interesting thing I've noticed is that my bGeigie gets the highest readings on city streets. Tends to be lowest out in the forest.

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-09 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow. That's really all I can say.

Actually, no, I can say more: I spoke with a paleoclimate researcher yesterday about the last time North American warmed like this. She said (referring to the Pliocene, I believe) that forest fires at high latitudes were much more common then.

So this may be a feature of the new normal, as they say. Wondrous.

--Ms. Krieger

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-09 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ooooo, don’t get me started on this one!

First the fires started in Alberta a few weeks ago. Some of my ‘freedom friends’ in that province reported that arson is a definitely a factor as late April is not fire season in Alberta and a trucker reported seeing a series of regularly spaced fires near a highway which were nowhere near any other fires. Then the fires spread across the whole country, including Nova Scotia which has had an extremely cold and wet spring. Oddly enough concrete bridges in that province have been burning, with no sign of fire among the trees and other vegetation in the vicinity (who knew that spontaneous combustion is one of the properties of concrete?). Satellite photos of Quebec show many fires starting across the province at exactly the same time (synchronized cloudless lightning bolts, or something, I guess). Sure enough, dozens of arsonists have been caught and charged. The same arsonists who are at it year after year in Alberta: they have extreme left affiliations (scaring the be jeepers out of the public to think that ‘climate change is happening – better fund us if you want to save the planet’).

To add fuel to the fire, fire departments and firefighting services across Canada are terribly short-staffed because many firefighters refused the pokey-pokey and were fired – and are not being re-hired. Some fire departments are at half-staffing levels. Knowing that the situation is dire, legions of retired fire-fighting professionals have contacted their respective authorities offering their services, only to be told by the authorities (after contacting them many times) that they have been put on a waiting list – and are never contacted again.

Apologies to Americans who live close enough to the Great White North to experience bad air quality these days due to your northern neighbour circling the drain. I understand that New England solar farms have been generating about 50% of the power that they usually do this time of year due to the smoke.

Ron M

Re: Igor on Dutch Memory Problems

Date: 2023-06-09 04:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The memory loss is lucky then, they won't be able to remember what caused their problems.
From: (Anonymous)
Michael Gray Griffith strikes me as a terrific human being, principled and courageous; and yes, he writes very well.

transcriberb: (Default)
From: [personal profile] transcriberb
Some of the Cafe Locked Out interviews are amazing. This is one transcript I have to upload to the dreamwidth.org archive-- in my opinion it is one of the most powerful of MGG's interviews yet.

The awful truth my Mother realised too late
Interview with Tracey Mills by Michael Gray Griffith
(Filmed in Toowoomba, Australia)
Cafe Locked Out, March 1, 2023
https://rumble.com/v2begeu-the-awful-truth-my-mother-realised-too-late.html

TRANSCRIPT

0:39
TRACEY MILLS: I believe that my mother was murdered by the vaccine. And I don't know what to do about that and where to start. And—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Let's start at the beginning. First off, what's your mum's name?

TRACEY MILLS: My mum's name's Carrie.*

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What was she like?

TRACEY MILLS: Very loving, caring, beautiful woman who wouldn't hurt a fly. Very clean-living. Didn't smoke, didn't drink. Healthy. Just about to have her 70th birthday.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: So she was a really healthy 70 years old.

TRACEY MILLS: Very. Very. There was no problems with Mum until basically the day had her vaccine. Couple of days later. So I know what it is.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: So let's start, so all the covid stuff happens and everything else. Did she believe everything that was happening?

TRACEY MILLS: No.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: When it first came out, she didn't believe it?

TRACEY MILLS: She believed— she she just wanted to live her life. And I knew very early on that there was something terribly wrong with the the narrative and the way they were pushing it, and mandating it, and coercing people. And—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What made you think that something was something wrong?

TRACEY MILLS: Ah, because it had never been done before.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Yeah.

TRACEY MILLS: And um, they, there's just such a shift in the, in the world right now that I knew that it was political. Um, and I think a lot of people just didn't get that the mainstream media was lying to them.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Was this instinct in you like an instinct as well intellectual or logic or was it both, or more logical?

TRACEY MILLS: I think I've had a healthy disregard to anything pharmaceutical. And Vioxx** nearly killed my father years before. Ah—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What's that?

TRACEY MILLS: Vioxx is a drug for blood pressure. And arthritis I think as well. And it was pulled by the pharmaceutical mob because it was just causing so much damage. And then my dad had a stroke because of it. He's still alive today, thank God. But, um, yeah, just I don't trust governments and I don't trust pharmaceuticals, so I thought I'd look into it a bit further. The more I looked, the more I found.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: And your mum was the same?

TRACEY MILLS: No. Not really. She, ah, she didn't— she believed mainstream media. And I tried to show her things and she was just dismissive. I don't know whether she didn't want to believe it or whether she really didn't believe that that everyone was lying. And she had family members, you know, forcing her, ah, not forcing her, but you know, saying, you're mad if you don't get it, and you know, you got to live your life. It was just so much pressure from everywhere.


MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Yeah.

TRACEY MILLS: And then she knew how against it I was. And then one day she just said, look, I've got something to tell you. I had the vaccine today. And I said, Oh, well, that's great.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: So which one did she have?

TRACEY MILLS: Pfizer.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: She just had the one?

TRACEY MILLS: Two.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: She had two. So after the first one, no problem?

TRACEY MILLS: No, not that I'd noticed. It was more after the second one that I noticed the change was within days.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Well, let's talk about the change. What did you notice?

TRACEY MILLS: Ah, so first of all, ah, she was getting nosebleeds. Really, really bad nosebleeds. She's never really had nosebleeds before. These nosebleeds weren't normal. They were like blood clotty. So big she'd have to throw her bedding out. And my father—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Throw her bedding out!

TRACEY MILLS: Yes. Pillows, [inaudible], it was just just blood-soaked. And I thought straightaway, this is the beginning. And I didn't know—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What did she think it was?

TRACEY MILLS: She tried to dismiss everything that that that went along the whole time. So Mum was vaccinated in 2021 in June, and she died on the 6th of the 6, 22. So we're talking a year here of a lot of stuff going wrong. But that was just the beginning.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: So what else went wrong with that, and she— ?

TRACEY MILLS: So after the nosebleeds, I started to notice on her skin she had massive bruising all over her body. And she would say to me, I don't know where all this bruising's coming from. And they weren't normal bruises, they were risen, and they were really pronounced. They were just black, like like blood was coming to the surface. It was just, it was just the weirdest thing. And then—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What did doctors say?

TRACEY MILLS: Just dismissed her, the whole way through. After the blood clotting, my daughter noticed Mum wasn't breathing properly. She was laboring in her breath. And my daughter said, Grandma, are you alright? No, I can't breathe, I'm struggling breathing. And then, basically from there she went into kidney failure. Um, so she only had about 5-10% of kidney function [inaudible]

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Did she have any kidney issues before?

TRACEY MILLS: No.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Did she have any breathing issues before?

TRACEY MILLS: No.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: And bruising, blood, all of this was new?

TRACEY MILLS: All new. All new. Straight from the get-go. And then, um [starts to cry]. Sorry. Ah.

After the kidneys failed she went for dialysis and she was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease called IgA.*** So that was a diagnosis that we thought she might live through, because you could get dialysis three times a week and and still live and, you know, function somewhat and have some quality of life.

And then after that she just was sick every day. Vomiting every day. I was madly trying to find answers.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What about tghe family and friends? Was anyone else concerned? And thinking,
what's going on?

TRACEY MILLS: Um, her— she did have friends and a partner at the time. I guess everyone helped, but nobody wanted to address the elephant in the room, except for me and and my brother because we knew that this wasn't going to go well.

So it was just a big fight to— I was so angry, I wanted to say some things to people and I couldn't. I went to the doctors with Mum and he just dismissed my concerns over what was causing it, basically telling me he was the doctor and, you know, how dare I.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Was he the one who gave it to her?

TRACEY MILLS: No. He wasn't. She actually got it done at the Baillie Henderson Hospital in her car, with her arm out the window. Huh.

And then, and then, she was in, she couldn't walk anymore, so now she's in a wheelchair. I think she had, um, I don't know how to pronounce it, but its called Guillain-Barré.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Yeah, Guillain-Barré syndrome.

TRACEY MILLS: Guillain-Barré syndrome.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: I know that because I interviewed someone else hat it, single mom, paralyzed.

TRACEY MILLS: Right. Um, I'm pretty sure she had that, um, because she couldn't feel her legs anymore. And I never got to the stage where, you know, everything was coming at us so fast, I never got to the stage where we went to get a diagnosis on that. Um.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: So it was a painful passing.

TRACEY MILLS: Very painful. Very horrific. Horrific passing. It was just short of a year of her second booster that that she passed away. And the whole time was just a nightmare.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Did she take the third?

TRACEY MILLS: No.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: And did she not want to take it herself?

TRACEY MILLS: The doctors suggested she didn't take the third.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Ah, so there's nothing to do with the vaccine, but don't take the third.

TRACEY MILLS: Correct. Correct. And Mum said, you'll be happy to know that I don't have to get a booster. I said, Mum, I would have been happier if you hadn't of got any.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: So how, what happened in the end?

TRACEY MILLS: In the end, um, we, she messaged me, I was at Woolly's. And she said, I'm not going to make the day. And I said, what do you mean, Mum? And she said, I'm going to die. And I said, I'll be there in a second. I was going there anywhere. I went there, called the ambulance—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: She knew.

TRACEY MILLS: She knew. She knew. She also knew what caused it, in the end. That was very, very painful, that she knew in the end.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What did she say? How do you know? Did she tell you?

TRACEY MILLS: Because she said to me— my mum never swore in her life, but she said to me, it was that fu*king vaccine. And I said, It doesn't matter, Mum, it doesn't matter now. It's too late. [crying] Because it's already there. Can't take it out. [crying] So she knew that she'd made a terrible mistake. She shouldn't have it. [crying] Anyway.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Did she say anything else, like, she was angry or anything? Or she said that?

TRACEY MILLS: She was angry, but she was too sick and we were too concentrated on getting her better,
than to be angry, we just had to keep going.

And then the ambulance took her away. And I wasn't even allowed into the hospital at that time. Well, she had many trips to the hospital, but this was her last trip. And she was sitting up in bed the night before, talking to my daughter and I, and she was now in nappies and couldn't, couldn't help herself, and she was laughing with my daughter and I about this silly nappy that she had on, and we were just joking about, you know, we just thought there was still a chance she could live. But the doctors rang me up at 3 in the morning, and said, you need to come in. Would you like your mother resuscitated? I'm like, I didn't even know what they were talking about. And I said, I'll come in. So I went.

At this stage, we were just allowed back into the hospital. Like, just. And I went in there and they said, basically they'd found blood clots all through, on her heart.

And it's like, they didn't even check, like, I'd been talking to the doctors about blood clots because I knew that's what what, what happened to a lot of people and he wouldn't even do a d-dimer test or anything. They just treated me like I was some sort of idiot. And eventually, it was the blood clot that killed her. A massive one on the heart.

But also leading up to that there were, there were other red flags. She was, um, she was bleeding vaginally, and she was 69, so that's impossible. She was clotting up the dialysis machines with blood clots, and they had to pull the dialysis machines apart and and clean them out. And Mum said to me, oh, the nurses said they' never seen that before, they're white blood clots, they don't even look like blood clots. And I knew, I knew at that moment, that was in March before she died, I knew she was going to die. So I kind of had prepared myself. But you can never fully prepare yourself.

And that, that's what happened. It was just a whole year. It was like she was poisoned.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Did she say anything in the end?

TRACEL MILLS: The doctors came in and said that they had to turn the machines off. And she just went, what?! She couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. [crying] And I said, there's just nothing they can do, Mum. And she's like, what?! She couldn't understand it. And they weren't even going to try. It was like, and they just turned the machines off and just kept the morphine up to her, but even that wasn't doing the trick. And I just had to watch her slowly die over the next 24 hours.

But I'd been watching her slowly die for a year. And I'll never forgive them. And I'll never forget, ever.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: What's happened since? Did they do an autopsy?

TRACEY MILLS: They said there was no point doing an autopsy because—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Why was there no point in doing an autopsy!

TRACEY MILLS: Because they already knew why she died. And I guess we were so grief stricken at the time.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: Of course.

TRACEY MILLS: You think about things later that I should have, I should have done this, and I should have done that, but at the time you're just trying to deal with the second— [crying] — Oh, sorry!

And there's plenty of things we should have done. I think I should have sat her down before she went and did something like got the vaccine, and made a stronger argument.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: You can't do that. I'm sorry, you can't do that. You're up against —

TRACEY MILLS: A machine.

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: A machine. A marketing propaganda machine.

TRACEY MILLS: And that's exactly what it was and she believed it. She believed that that they had her best interests at heart and the doctors know best and the government knows best and—

MICHAEL GRAY GRIFFITH: How's your family since?

TRACEY MILLS: Ah, we have a very large family, so, um, it's myself and my brother just in our little group, but I've lived in Toowoomba my whole life, so million cousins and aunts and uncles, big family there. I haven't really seen anyone. I've kept fairly quiet, to myself, um, just my brother and I talk. And of course we had to go through all Mum's personal items and, you know, sell her house, so I guess we were so busy in that first few months we didn't have a lot of time to think about where were we going to go for action. But it's now been about six months— sorry I need a tissue— that I guess it's really kicked in to what's happened, and you know, Mum was 69, she wasn't a young woman, but she was nowhere near an old woman, and they had no right to take one second of her life.

And then I hear all the stories about everybody else. The kids, just breaks my heart, that are dying.

So basically, we just live day by day, trying to get some accountability, hoping that someone's going to pay for their crimes. But I don't know. I don't know whether they will. I hope so.

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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:

*Spelling of name unconfirmed.

** Vioxx

See "Timeline: The Rise and Fall of Vioxx" by Snigdha Prakash and Vikki Valentine, November 10, 2007
https://www.npr.org/2007/11/10/5470430/timeline-the-rise-and-fall-of-vioxx
From that article:
"Shortly before the FDA approved Vioxx in 1999, drug maker Merck launched a study it hoped would prove that Vioxx was superior to older painkillers, because it caused fewer gastrointestinal problems. Instead, the study would eventually show Vioxx could be deadly, causing heart attacks and strokes. Five years after Vioxx's launch, Merck withdrew the drug from the market. By that time, Merck had sold billions of dollars of the drug worldwide."

***IgA is immunoglobulin A.
See IgA Nephropathy https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/kidney-disease/iga-nephropathy

US states legislative news

Date: 2023-06-08 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
We're not hearing much about these legislative wins because of the censorship on the MSM and also, I think the whole subject, state level legislation, is more than a bit dry (...or, on the other hand, maybe kind of like natto...) but wow, there have been some successes / disasters averted. Have a look:

https://standforhealthfreedom.com/wins/

There is a small army of people now on the sharp-eyed lookout for the nitty gritty of state level legislation. And anyone can join.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-08 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm not sure if this has been posted previously:

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-06-2023-the-european-commission-and-who-launch-landmark-digital-health-initiative-to-strengthen-global-health-security

In a word - vaccine passports - or, as they prefer to term it, "a wide range of digital products to deliver better health for all." Reassuring, isn't it, coming from the agency responsible for much of the upheaval we continue to experience. And now, they (officially) have power over us all.

As I've said (too) many times on this forum, they will not stop until they are made to stop.

Liam in Toronto

AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-09 01:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My 33 year old son is in the hospital tonight with AFIV and Tachycardia that started late last night and got worse today. He has no other health problems but took the J&J shot in 2021 at about this time, so around 2 years ago. Any information or references folks have is very welcome. Also prayers. Thanks

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-09 11:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
best wishes, and look into natto.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-09 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That's a really big space between those events! My spouse and a family friend got the J&J around the same time as your son, so I hope they are not connected, but that seems worth keeping an eye on.

May God bless and have mercy on you and your son. I hope everybody comes through OK.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
transcriberb: (Default)
From: [personal profile] transcriberb
If I were in your shoes the first thing I would do is go here:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/

and

I would get a doctor who isn't going gaslight about vaxx injury. There is some information here:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/providers/

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-09 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
I'm not a licensed medical specialist, so I can only give you some information. So the following should in no way to be taken as medical advice!

Cardiologist Peter McCullough wrote a lot about the vax inducing myocarditis (inflammation of hear-muscle). See for example https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/symptomatic-covid-19-vaccine-induced He suggests nattokinase https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/dissolution-of-spike-protein-by-nattokinase

There are a lot of other/additional remedies and detoxes suggested, including by the worldcouncilforhealth and the FLCCC.

As for myocarditis, it is not so easy to diagnose so I hope your son's medical doctors are willing to do all the necessary tests to find out what is wrong with your son. It might also be interesting to know that inflammation of heart muscle can lead (among other complications) to an enlarged liver.

May your son be restored to good health fully and quickly!
Edited Date: 2023-06-09 03:11 pm (UTC)

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-11 02:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm sorry to hear that.

This could be a total coincidence, but....

A friend of mine let herself get bullied into taking the J&J shot sometime in June or July of 2021. (She was one of those people who didn't want the shot and wasn't really afraid of covid, but was too go-along-to-get-along nice and accommodating and Sunday-school honest for her own good and, therefore, easily bullied.)

Just last week, she had some weird pain in her left chest area, and tingling in her left hand. Insisted it "wasn't that bad" and brushed it (and other people's concerns) off. She's in her 40s and in generally good health.

I have no idea what those symptoms meant, or if they could be vax-related a full two years later. But she had the same type of shot in the same time frame as your son, and just had some weird symptoms last week. So, that's my data point for you.

I hope your son will be okay.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia

Date: 2023-06-11 08:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Doctor here: A commenter above mentioned natto, and I feel a need to comment about natto and A-Fib (no doubt “AFIV” refers to A-Fib, or atrial fibrillation). First some background: A-Fib is a particular irregular rhythm of the heart, and this condition is a time bomb in that it will promote the formation of blood clots in the heart, which in a few days to weeks, will break loose to flow into the arteries to the brain and cause a stroke. FWIW, I’ve never heard of a 33-year-old with A-fib. I’d bet it’s vax-related. Regardless, your son is stuck with it, and you can’t afford to piss-off the doctor who manages it, arguing about The Vax. (BTW, I’m an un-Vaxed doc who paid a heavy professional and personal price for staying un-Vaxed…)

The standard of care for A-Fib is to treat the patient chronically with a blood thinner, often warfarin (trade name Coumadin) to prevent clot formation. Typically a twice-daily injectable drug, heparin, is given until the therapeutic warfarin dose is dialed in. This treatment is somewhat cumbersome in that the patient must have blood testing frequently to monitor the blood ‘thinness’, or proneness to clot (INR), and the dose of warfarin is adjusted so that the INR falls within a specified target range. Once the dose is stabilized, the blood testing can become tolerably infrequent. There are also newer drugs to thin blood which don’t need monitoring, but warfarin is tried and true and cheap. (Disclaimer: I’ve not managed warfarin since 2015, and am not current on newer blood thinners.)

Sometimes A-Fib is successfully treated with invasive procedures to burn aberrant conductive pathways within the heart. Pacemakers are sometimes used.

If natto truly thins the blood, then the effects of combined blood-thinner and natto might cause the blood to become TOO thin, and create a risk of bleeding too easily. The specific threat is a minor head bump precipitating a massive brain bleed, AKA a hemorrhagic stroke.

If your son is getting placed on a blood-thinner, the prescribing doctor would to need to know about the natto. I’d wager the doctor won’t know squat about it, so he’d presumably be safer OFF natto. BTW, the patient must stay on the blood-thinner for as long as he has A-Fib; i.e. for life. Warfarin, correctly dosed, is extremely effective.

Of course, may G-d forbid, if for any reason your son lost access to blood thinners (in effect loosing access to basic medical care), then he’s a dead man walking, in which case natto couldn’t hurt and might help. And he’d want it starting the same day that access to blood thinners is lost.

Someone else above gave a link regarding myocarditis; note this is not the same as A-fib, and may or may not be pertinent.

—Lunar Apprentice

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-11 11:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you to all who replied. My son spent the night in the hospital and his AFIB resolved on its own, i.e., his heart went back into regular rhythm by morning. Apparently one treatment is to give the patient a shock to get the heart to reset. Thankfully they waited and didn't have to do that. A couple of things: the person transporting him from the emergency room up to the cardiac wing of the hospital said that they were seeing a lot of young people like him coming in for heart issues, and, come to find out, there is an entire subreddit for people with AFIB and yes, the number of people with this problem has skyrocketed "with COVID" according to the subreddit. No one will admit that the vaccine was partially or wholly responsible. But here is the thing -- everyone who got the vaccine also got COVID, usually multiple times. That was certainly the case with my son. He got COVID before he got the vaccine, then got the vaccine because he would be fired if he didn't, then had COVID two more times after the vaccine. So if you got the vaccine, you certainly got COVID, leaving the door open to blame everything on COVID and not the vaccine. That is what I am seeing.
They have put my son on a low dose of calcium channel blockers. I don't take any medicines or advice from allopathic practitioners, but I don't try and impose my views on others. I leave the door open for non-allopathic care and do what I can, but no nagging or insisting. Is that the right call? I struggle with what I should do every day. And those I care for keep going to doctors.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-11 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So the A-fib resolved? That’s interesting. From my medical perch, all the A-fib I ever saw was in older patients, not infrequently following heart attacks, though spontaneous onset certainly occurs. I infer therefore that the mechanism for at least some young people who get it is reversible. Let us thank G-d for not-so-small favors, and pray it doesn’t return.

The calcium channel blocker no doubt is to minimize the risk of recurrence.

Allopathic medicine does some things very well. By way of contrast, I’ve had several patients who relied on naturopaths to treat high-blood pressure. Shockingly, their blood pressure remained dangerously high for extended periods, and they suffered strokes, winding up as my rehab patients.

I get that the medical profession right now is deeply compromised. Yet allopathic medications that treat blood pressure, heart, lungs, Type I diabetes, or bacterial infection are often life-critical in the very short term. Surgery is often life-saving, such as after major trauma; and appendicitis used to kill (e.g. Rudolf Valentino). Eschewing allopaths altogether is not something I would advise.

—Lunar Apprentice
From: (Anonymous)
Lunar Apprentice, I very much appreciate your replies and if you were a doctor I consulted, it is likely I would listen to you. That is the highest praise I can give. Yes, the emergency room was weird. The heart monitor they had on my son alarmed non-stop and it said AFIB and Tach right there on the screen, there was no missing it. They had that device with the paddles right next to him on the gurney, ready to shock him. The ER Resident was all set to shock him out of AFIB. But then the actual Cardiologist showed up and said, hang on, all of this just started, let's give it a little time and wait and see. My son had driven himself to the emergency room for what he described as a "fluttering" sensation that got gradually worse throughout the day. He pretty much lost it in the emergency room once he made it in, and they took him in immediately even though the place was jammed. The first thing they asked him when he got there was whether he was on any drugs. He wasn't, I know it for a fact and so did they because I am pretty sure they checked for it. He also drinks minimal coffee and quit drinking alcohol a couple of years ago. So someone living right...

Anyway, the cardiologist said they would not give him blood thinners unless the AFIB went on for some undefined amount of time -- 12 hours? 24? Only he knows. However, they also said they would definitely administer blood thinners if they shocked him, heavy duty ones, because a shock would likely knock any clots that had formed into a place they shouldn't be, like his brain.

I don't know what the risk is going forward, but he will have to continue to see a cardiologist to get access to the medicine they gave him, so he will see a doctor for the foreseeable future.
Another relative, not quite so close as my son, took the J&J shot around the same timeframe as my son. He ended up in cardiac intensive care for 3 weeks very soon after the shot with micro blood clots in his lungs. They were talking lung transplant for a while. He is 23 years old. He is now on several expensive, heavy duty medications that they are telling him he will be on for life and his life expectancy is 5 years, according to some things I have read.

I was hoping that my son, who is more than 10 years older, had ducked the J&J injuries since, other than catching COVID multiple times after the shot, did not seem to have any issues. But now I think it was just a matter of time. Full of sorrow...

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-11 07:40 pm (UTC)
scotlyn: a sunlit pathway to the valley (Default)
From: [personal profile] scotlyn
No nagging or insisting, while being supportive, providing help as and when asked for, sounds like the right call (to my ears). But then, you should take this, and all other advice, with a grain of salt, and then do what seems good to you!

While it can be very difficult to refrain from giving sermons (I am extremely prone to this, and I blame being raised by evangelical missionaries... ;) ), every single person, including everyone we care for, is working out their own fate. This includes your son. It also includes you.

If I may, I wish blessings and healings upon *you* and may you find yourself "rising" to this occasion, and discovering all of your strengths and capabilities!

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-12 11:57 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Re: " I struggle with what I should do every day."

I do, too. It's heartbreaking to see loved ones suffering. I cannot imagine how hard it must be to see your son suffering.

If it brings any comfort, here's my story.

In 2021 there were many friends and relatives I wanted to warn away from the jabs but they were crazed, literally bug-eyed crazed, to take the jabs. I did try to find openings to suggest doubts and questions, but that was always shut down like a steel trap. I quickly realized that my saying anything against the jabs would only make them volcanically angry with me, label me a nut, tear apart the fabric of the family, and then when the day came-- as I knew it would-- that they would realize that they had made a terrible mistake to take the jabs-- as some do now, in June 2023, either because they are injured or they know people who are, and they've all come down with covid multiple times-- they would feel ashamed (and Pschology 101, therefore find more reasons to be angry with and disdain me). In sum, I recognized that my trying to warn them away from the jabs would not only do no good, it would only make the aftermath harder for all concerned.

I will grant that some people may have had a different experience, and some people will always feel that the effort to warn friends and family was worth it, no matter the consequences.
However, in my case there wasn't anyone who would even give a micromillimeter to listen to anything other than SAFE & EFFECTIVE OMG EVERBODY MUST GET IT NOW!!!!!!! Therefore, apart from one exception, I decided to just leave it alone. Of course this was tremendously sad and painful. Maybe not everyone understood, as I did, about gain-of-function research, mRNA and lipid nanoparticles, and Dr. Fauci's stupendous history of corruption, and the censorship was, and continues to be outrageous. However, the basic information for a thinking adult to conclude that it was neither a necessary nor a good idea to get jabbed, especially if you are young and healthy, and especially also if you'd already had covid (um, natural immunity is a thing?!), was already out there. That the jabs were experimental, that, too, was known from the beginning, as the jabs were brought out under Operation Warp Speed as Emergency Use Authorized. That the people dying of covid were mainly the elderly and people with several comorbidities, that was also widely known before the jabs roll-out.

In my opinion, taking an unneeded experimental jab in order to keep a job, attend school, or travel was absurdly shortsighted. I would have lived in my car, or even a tent, rather than take one of those jabs. (It gives me no satisfaction to point out that many of the injured took the jabs to keep a job, but now that they're injured, they're unable to work and financially ruined.)

But other people, adults with drivers' licenses and voter registrations, and some with medical licenses, too, made their own calculations and arrived at their own conclusions, which were entirely different from mine.

Where I'm going with this is that I think the whole problem we are living through is that some people think other people should do what they want them them to do. For example, I wanted my friends and family to forego the jabs which they really, but really, really, really, really wanted. I could have hectored and nagged them-- and aside from all indications that it wouldn't have done any good, by what right should I tell them what to do about their personal medical decisions? And the government, and many other people, wanted to coerce me, and try to shame me, into taking injections I didn't need or want-- and they didn't get anywhere with me, either.

At the end of the day I am the one who has to live in my body, just as, at the end of the day, other people have to live in their individual bodies. We are each ultimately responsible for ourselves. We do need to educate and care for underage children, but other competent adults, they take their own decisions, whether I think them good or poor, it is their right, as it is my right, to take decisions about personal medical treatments. So my stance is for respect for medical freedom and medical privacy. (And also, that those who committed crimes be held accountable before the law).

Another way of saying this: I respect the dignity of those who took the jabs, as I want them to respect my dignity. They have the right, as do I, to decide for themselves about their medical treatments.

No one person wanted my advice about the jabs, however, many people who are jabbed have come to this forum, and other discussion forums where I am active, asking for help to detox. I always gladly and immediately send them to the FLCCC protocols.

*

P.S. Last week I encountered an old friend who lives in what I would describe as an arts colony town in the mountains. She suddenly blurted out that she just couldn't understand why so many people there didn't want to get vaccinated. And I thought, hon, you're asking that now, June 2023? If she'd really wanted to know the answer to that, even with the heavy censorship, she could have easily googled up RFK's Children's Health Defense Fund and an ocean of other, alternative information. But what that was, really, was not a question, but an invitation to engage in a comfy little duet of we're-the-Good-People-let's-bash-those-icky-ignorant-anti-vaxxers. I just steered over to another subject. And I've been reflecting on it a lot this week. I would love to have told her what I know about the jabs, but what ears would she have had to hear it? And in the end, her medical decisions are not my business, any more than mine are hers. My considered respect is not the same thing as approval, nor is it a lack of compassion. In addition, I distinguish between the private realm and the public; in the former, I am quietly respectful, while in the latter I am actively attempting to infuence state legislation towards medical freedom and medical privacy.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-12 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] stubborn_ass
I think there's a huge difference when one side is trying to persuade the other not to jab, via data, logical arguments, known effective treatments from the early months (before the CDC shut everything down with 'acceptable protocols) and our understanding of natural and acquired immunity. Against which you had the weight of the system machine terrifying and coercing folks to jab.

If those few brave folks had not spoken out publicly initially against the jabs and paid a price for it, we would have been even more adrift in the sea of madness... In our own private circles, our humanity should have compelled us to try to persuade friends and loved ones, even against heavy odds... at least it did for me. Your rationalization for not doing so, becomes a justification for always keeping our heads down, don't rock the boat... don't be the squeaky wheel...

In my freedom group, we all tried, in various manners, using different angles, trying to find something to penetrate their MSM programming. Even if we failed, we learnt the full extent of how NPC most people are... We all gave more than the old college try.

Personal success rate - 1 unjabbed, a few talked into stopping after 1 shot, more stopping after 2, in a place where most people have 4 or 5 shots already.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-13 12:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In my experience, people don't change just because someone presents a good argument. That's how most of us believe we behave, but in fact, mostly we navigate life by defensive inertia, dismissing uncomfortable evidence that we've made a mistake until evidence becomes overwhelming.

My wife's multiply-vaxxed mother went blind in one eye roughly two years ago, and was sent to the hospital for afib just this past weekend. Her husband developed rapid cognitive decline in the same period. My wife herself has developed strange ocular/neurological symptoms that coincide temporally with her 3 shots. She does not want to hear about how it could be the vax. No interest in the matches in VAERS. No, it's much more comforting to believe the new neurologist, who made up some BS about reactivated lazy eye from 60 years ago, and sent her to another specialist. Nope. Safe and effective, it just *has* to be something else.

I stopped believing msm/state-run media a long time ago. Most haven't. It's too disquieting. All I can occasionally do is ask an uncomfortable question. I'm just a quirky oddball, waiting for anyone who seems he to be looking for alternative narratives. Sad thing is, mostly, all I have is more questions. Even I don't want to go down some of the darker rabbit holes

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-12 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you, it does give me comfort. And it is nice to know that someone else is/was struggling with the same things. I could have written exactly your words. I bite my tongue regularly rather than say something I know is true, that a loved one is going to find out is true, but won't be able to admit it, or worse will hate me when it becomes obvious that what I said is true. Absolutely as you say, psychology 101. And nowadays, what is done is done and my saying anything will not change it. So the furthest I go is, hey are you taking Vitamin D? It might make you feel better. Have you tried Natto? It is good for your health... Every once in a while, someone listens. So that is hopeful.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-13 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I realized early on that the only people that I had a chance at all of reaching were a) people who I know already had distrust of authority, including my anarchist friend who asked me if I'd had it and I told him NO and exactly why...he listened and b) conservatives, which I think was largely due to the fact that things got so politicized early on they were more likely to embrace dissenting views.

Weird, given I grew up raised by leftists who openly disdained half of the things authorities said. Oh well, pointing out the bizarre switcheroo in political ideologies has been beaten to death at this point.

Re: AFIB and Tachycardia -- update

Date: 2023-06-12 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"In sum, I recognized that my trying to warn them away from the jabs would not only do no good, it would only make the aftermath harder for all concerned."

There are days when I think, should I have spoken up more? Should I not have lied to some people - or, in many more cases, just not corrected their assumptions - about my medical history? Should I have pushed back more? Should I have been more open in my objections, rather than keeping my head down in quiet resistance? Should I have tried to save more people?

But then I remember what it was like - or more specifically, what THEY were like.

They were NEVER going to listen. Then were NEVER going to see any perspective other than what the MSM had fed them. There was NOTHING I could have said would have mattered. And it would only make everything harder in the long run.

I made the same choice as you - I refused to go along, but by and large, I kept my mouth shut about it. Because I didn't believe that there was a single word I could say that would have the slightest benefit.

Big Orange Cloud

Date: 2023-06-09 07:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Anyone else considering the symbolism of the North East being enveloped by Orange Smoke?

I hope it means what I think it means, because I'm still dealing with discrimination for my vax status.

Re: Big Orange Cloud

Date: 2023-06-10 06:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It means a lot of us in the Western states are trying really hard to be kind when we want to say "Now you know what we've lived through the last five years, mind letting us do some serious fire prevention: put roads/into your precious roadless areas, clearcut strips for fire breaks, and get all the beatle kill logged and out?"

Instead we're trying to recommend things like "Pick up a Hepa filter system at the store for one room and everyone asthmatic hide in that room, change your forced air system filter and keep the forced air on, stay inside unless you absolutely have to go out, call your doc and pharmacy and get your inhalers in order now."

But a bit of "Yeah, serves y'all right, jerks," is definitely in our hearts.
(Westerners by and large blame Easterners and the Urban West Coast for stupid federal and state lands policies that enable large burns.) Schadenfraude is bad for our souls, but oh, so tasty.

I hope you're right, but the orange clouds we lived under in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 do not seem to have been any sort of omen.

BoysMom

Re: Big Orange Cloud

Date: 2023-06-10 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What forced air system? I live in a turn of the 20th century house with water radiators. We have two discount store window ACs which aren't up yet since we were trying to save money by just opening the windows at night, and anyway we don't know if their filters are fine enough to filter out the 2.5s that seem to be the majority of the problem (since they are discount store and all).

Whatever

TPTB are no longer fit to rule!

Date: 2023-06-09 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Have you ever thought to yourself that as much as TPTB want and indoctrinate us all to believe that they're God and the sole source of authority, power, justice, reason, etc. on this Earth that they simply aren't?

And that as much as TPTB might demand worshipful, dutiful, even slavish obedience, that they simply don't deserve it?

Well, I'd just been trying to write a post along those lines, but I was tying myself in knots, so I put it aside thinking I might come back to it later.

And no sooner had I done that, then, then as fate would have it, I immediately stumbled upon these words by following a chain of links in the comments 'below the line' over at Gail Tverberg's site:

"Don't Let Them Get Away With It"

"There are notable moments in history when the overlords of this world go too far in their exercise of power and commit a crime that is a glaring expression of their arrogance. Such a crime is memorialized and becomes symbolic of their tyranny. Decent people are shocked by the spectacle of it and conclude that the overlords no longer have any legitimate claim to rule."

Well, thank you God!

That's precisely the sentiment I was trying to get to in my own, torturous, way.

Here's the links, and apologies in advance for any repetition if they've already been provided:

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/dont-let-them-get-away-with-it

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-an-anthem-57a?utm_source=%2Fsearch%2FMargaret%2520Anna%2520Alice&utm_medium=reader2

The Ninth Mouse

Re: TPTB are no longer fit to rule!

Date: 2023-06-11 07:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Thank you for the link. Short, honest, well-said.

TPTB have lost their social license

Date: 2023-06-09 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Following on from my last post, here's the first link chain I followed, which led to the rest - once again, apologies for any repetition:

https://sagehana.substack.com/p/maybe-someone-just-forgot-to-tell

As an aside, I had to shut down and restart my PC to post this link. The first time I tried my computer went all weird on me with some never before encountered issue.

Being the superstitious and suspicious unit that I am, I figure that's all the more reason to make sure I drop it in!

One last 'up yours' to TPTB for the evening :P

The Ninth Mouse

Re: TPTB have lost their social license

Date: 2023-06-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not a big fan of Sage. Too many rabbit holes sloppily tied together combined with attacks on other people who are doing good work. Sharing a Sage link with someone on the fence is more likely to push them to the other side.

Re: TPTB have lost their social license

Date: 2023-06-10 12:19 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm not really familiar with her, I dropped it in for full completeness of my happy tale of coincidence and God/the universe/randomness/chance, providing me with an answer right on cue.

I appreciate that you may be concerned about winning people over to one side of the fence or other, but the point of my post wasn't to do that, nor do I really think it's possible to that in this case.

The events at play are far bigger than mere individuals, with large currents that a mere individual such as me can't hope to prevent, or steer. Those currents are going to surge around all of us individuals and go where they need to go. They have a momentum all of their own now and are beyond control.

If, for example, you think Sage is bad, well, I first went to Sage's page via a link from a 'questionable' poster over at Gail's site where I lurk sometimes, but I clicked the link anyway, if only to entertain myself with some lunatic's fancy, and right there at the top of the page was just what I needed :)

My way is to read whatever I want, from whoever I want, and make up my own mind irrespective of whether I think they may be a madman, or an eco-fascist, or whoever, and irrespective of whether I agree with everything else they say about this or that. I'm more interested in the truth of the message in question, rather than shooting the messenger.

The Ninth Mouse

Re: TPTB have lost their social license

Date: 2023-06-10 03:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If the authorities of this world have in fact lost their 'social license' to rule due to their misdeeds in creating and promoting covidworld etc. (plus all the other lunacy that they've been up to), as I suspect they might have already done, or if the authorities find that they manage to lose their social license as disastrous events further unfold and highlight their misdeeds, then it begs the question of who will replace them?

How about an ecofascist and/or totalitarian one-world-government with 'plans for everyone'!

Hmmm, hang on a sec. . . :P

But if the authorities have already managed to unleash a big enough surge of people who simply don't rate them, then that wave may have enough force to sweep most/all of us wherever it wants to go no matter what we say, or what reservations we have.

It's a troubling thought.

The Ninth Mouse

Tic Disorder Boom

Date: 2023-06-09 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
One of my relatives (5x jabbed), never that I know of ever had any tics, has developed a really peculiar facial tic.

Well whodduh thunk? The recent tic disorder boom is... a big mystery!!

As local teens come down with ‘tic-like symptoms,’ doctors say it could be linked to TikTok
Nov 11, 2021
Katrina Hermetet, PhD, NCSP, director of the Tic and Tourette Service at Akron Children's Hospital, discusses how TikTok and other social media may be causing "tic-like" symptoms in teens. Originally aired on http://www.fox8.com on November 8, 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmdbdkWSG5E

(no subject)

Date: 2023-06-10 04:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dr. Peter McCullough recently gave testimony before the Pennsylvania State Senate.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/dr-mccullough-testifies-in-the-pennsylvania

from the blog post about it-- QUOTE:

"On Friday June 9, 2023, I returned to the Pennsylvania Senate on request by former military officer and American hero, Senator Doug Mastriano (R-33). The session was co-chaired by Senator Cris Dush (R-25). Co-presenters included Steve Kirsch, Founder of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation, and attorney Tom Renz. I organized my comments along the lines of this outline:

Update on the US design and blueprint of SARS-CoV-2 from Baric et al at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, funding by the NIH and outsourcing of the research plans via the EcoHealth Alliance to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, in Wuhan, China.

COVID-19 vaccine injury syndromes

Cardiovascular

Neurological

Thrombotic

Immunological

Questions from Senators and Representatives answered

Shedding

Risk benefit analysis of COVID-19 vaccines

Failure of vaccine efficacy

Reason why SARS-CoV-2 was created

Global results of mass indiscriminate COVID-19 vaccination—winners and losers
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