Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 70
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ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2022-12-06 07:47 pm (UTC)The following links contains the archives (.epub and html, and for Vol. 2 text too)
Volume 1 (everything before 1st March 2022)
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Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-12-06 11:46 pm (UTC)Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-12-07 07:05 pm (UTC)Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-12-07 03:12 am (UTC)Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-12-07 07:05 pm (UTC)the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-06 08:07 pm (UTC)https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/the-new-medical-freedom
"In 1999 I began an odyssey in medicine few would believe possible. I met and apprenticed with a curandero - a type of old-time, natural healer - who gave me an excellent base for what would become my medical career.
I obtained a license to practice acupuncture and Chinese medicine in 2005.
And since then, I’ve lectured at places like Cleveland Clinic, UVA Medical center, Stony Brook University Medical center, and UCSF.
I even created two hospital teaching clinics on two continents, including Mercy Hospital in Chicago.
And I did all of this without going to any medical school as a student. The only reason any of this was possible in the first place is because…
The system of self-healing I learned from my mentor works.
Unlike modern emergency medical care, ancient medical systems have incredibly sophisticated ways of evaluating and counteracting the one category of illness affecting more patients than all others: chronic conditions.
In fact, you could say that just as modern medicine is an almost magical system for handling serious health emergencies from life-threatening infections to serious trauma…
Ancient medical approaches (like the one I learned) are equally as impressive in teaching patients how to target and even reverse their own chronic conditions.
Of those two categories, chronic, daily symptoms are by far the biggest unmet market need. That trend shows no signs of slowing down... But real medical freedom goes beyond generic advice and expensive alternatives to modern medicine.
Medical freedom means learning targeted, self-healing methods that go way beyond the kind of generic advice usually referred to as “well-being.”
To me, medical freedom means something specific:
It means having the power to heal and maintain your bodily and psychological health without relying on modern medicine for simple, common, everyday complaints.
At a minimum, medical freedom means government and private corporations don’t get to mandate untested “vaccines” on an unwary population.
I'll even go one step further…
Medical Freedom means using the modern medical system for the conditions it treats best - while avoiding any reliance on pills and sugary foods when self-healing is clearly a better option.
Most people have no idea how to heal on their own - without falling into the hands of our very dysfunctional medical system."
(more at the link above)
Re: the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-06 09:30 pm (UTC)Always liked the Chinese 5 element way of thinking since I came across it.
Re: the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 02:02 am (UTC)I’m curious what he’s selling.
—Ms. Krieger
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Date: 2022-12-07 04:27 pm (UTC)Re: the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 08:03 pm (UTC)https://www.awai.com/case-studies/christian-nix/
If video is more your thing, he has plenty of them, endlessly peddling his Pivot Protocol™. That's probably the trap that his cliff-hanger ending over at Malone's substack was designed to spring in "part two". Are we really to believe, with a fully canned system in his pocket, that he couldn't find the time to write a useful synopsis without resorting to used-car-salesmen's hooks, baits, and other forms of "stay tuned!!!" Ohhh... so that's where those exclamation points go.
His system is awfully food-combining and diet heavy, but the gods forbid that anyone should ever acknowledge the true diversity of health inputs that cause such a bewildering output of disease states. I guess it's just not as easy to sell the complexity of reality as it is to profiteer off of a one-size-fits-all, trademarked panacea.
"You somehow managed to evade the hard sell for the 'miracle' Co-vax panacea? Well, never fear. You can step right up and grab a hold of the anchor of my patented snake-oil panacea, instead! You can't possibly swim on your own, so latch onto my Pivot Protocol™ anchor... I mean life-preserver. It's safe and effective! All forms of payment accepted."
— Christophe
Re: the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-09 12:12 pm (UTC)Re: the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 08:06 pm (UTC)I guess it is hard to bring neglected issues forward no matter how one tries.
See, if you are not tall, dark, handsome (TDH) / svelte, blonde, pretty (SBP) then the majority of humanity is going to reject you on the basis of your looks, clothes, status, etc. and pour scorn on your novel idea as just some trick to get attention because you are too ugly to make any headway in life by looking good.
Whereas, if you *are* TDH/SBP, then some people will approve of you personally, and nod along with whatever you say because you fit the part. They will not absorb your ideas, nor grasp what you want to change; they will be fair-weather followers based on your looks.
But a significant sector of the crowd will decide you are an airhead and not smart enough to do real science or have genuine understanding of what you are talking about. They will reject your ideas because you are too pretty to be plausible in your field. Or, people like me, with a mile wide streak of junk-yard dog meanness, will sniff and growl, suspecting a con.
See, the default is to reject anything new no matter what and to assign a reason for the rejection after the fact.
Perhaps the momentum of the swinging pendulum of medical science/healing knowledge has reached its highest point and is about to swing back. I cannot tell.
But I do think that allopaths have deliberately chosen to be ignorant about the ecology of the human body. Whole-patient understanding has been defenstrated out of the Overton window. instead of making the intelligent choice to understand the complexities of glowing health. allopathy insists on a linear model of medicine which targets a single isolated symptom for silver-bullet treatment; this often causes domino effect cascades of follow-up problems.
Allopaths fail to spend the time and effort needed to engage in systems thinking and are woefully uneducated in the causal effects of ill health emanating from such diverse sources as gut biome, soil mineral deficiencies in even the best diets, family history, environmental influences, sleep patterns, mental effects, emotional affects, economic stresses and strains, and social milieu.
In short, allopathy no longer considers patient health: it merely aims to Battle Disease. This is a holdover of war-time medicine: patch up the troops and send them back to the front lines ASAP.
Allopaths are specifically trained in the military model of Command from the Top Down, instead of cross-systems diagnosis, joint care and consultation, as in India and other places where community medicine is normal practice.
Instead of healing, allopathy substitutes single-symptom pills, and expects its victim/pxs to tolerate any nasty side effects like a good soldier and get on with their low-paying, low-status jobs. Or to die in the service of True Science™ no matter how unpleasantly prolonged a death is designed for you by the experimental treatments.
Western/Industrial allopaths have also permitted the insurance and pharma Mobsters to impose their protection racket straight-jacket on the once sacred medical consultation process. The Efficient Market model of medicine is an assembly-line, belt-driven, timed-down-to- the-split-second stream of bodies to be fixed up like so many car parts whizzing by. Vitameatvegemin!
The Mob-Market Objective is to push more pills, order more tests, shove as much of the costs on to the government tax base as they can get away with and let insurers make 50 cents on every dollar spent for services and supplies that could be provided at cost for 3 cents on the dollar at most, if no profit motive were allowed. Mental health issues are shuffled off to one side, like a wounded officer on half-pay, and that is all insurance pays for it too: less than half of the cost.
Clearly a great deal has been lost by allowing war and money to be the models for health treatment. The analytical methods of science have been glorified, even deified, at the expense of the healing powers of empathic wisdom and whole-patient deep understanding.
This is what a curadero brings to the table. Traditional Chinese medicine also brings a long history of practical application of an extensive pharmacopeia based on whole plants, not lab-isolated, expensively processed single chemical agents packed into pills like a bandolier of silver bullets and a shoot-em-up attitude that treats all flesh as grass, coupled with a sneering and dismissive attitude towards all matters of the heart, soul, mind, and spirit.
Chronic, recurrent, mental, emotional and spiritual health issues require a cyclic, whole-circle-be-unbroken, circuit-riding preacher kind of care.
Some people will respond well to the TDH/SBP, I’m Healthy, Let’s Get You Healthy body type and moral attitude of healers.
Others may need the tattooed, bone-in-the-nose, git-out-of-my dreadlocks-you-puny-normie, living on the fringes scary-looking, evil-smelling, herb-hanging, chicken-keeping craft-crofter type of healer who can dig out the fears you want most to hide and cackle them away.
Government taxes will not pay for either of those, so we may also need a sizable contingent of small clinics and combination practices with keystone Respectable Allopaths who have open minds and who have shrugged off enough of their Commando Togs to hold routine consultations with all staff including LPNs, RNs, NPs, PAs, TCM’ers, clergy, midwives, social workers, and anyone else in on px care.
Despecialized General Care centers of this type will find it hard to stay afloat economically without the support of family subscriptions and church/lodge/workplace retainer fees; so people could advocate for govt policy to decouple health insurance from corporate controls, and to unfreeze citizens’ health care dollars by allowing tax free set-asides that can be paid to any firm we choose.
Just like home schooling, we should be able to decide where our income goes to pay for the kinds of health care we want and no longer be Managed for Our Own Good by Godlike Priestly Doctors. Licensing terms and Contract Law needs to be examined in each State to unlock the grip of rabid Credentialists and AMA-auteurs on who can legally practice medicine.
As for genuine Public Health Issues, citizens who wish to protect democratic principles of government might wish to assemble a cloud of mosquito-whining lobbyists, medical experts, and a phalanx of autistic document decoders to examine laws about Emergency Powers claimed by the State, and discuss the best ways to protect individuals against the encroaching fears of majority tyranny, or actual harm that might be done by minority disregard of the common weal. Perhaps also to devise appropriate disincentives for befoulment of health-supporting Commons such as water and air; and methods of safe and effective resistance for encroachments on citizens’ natural and civil rights such as Liberty, and Free Association.
Re: the new medical freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 07:18 pm (UTC)Thank you
Date: 2022-12-06 08:17 pm (UTC)Dear John Michael Greer,
Thank you so much for hosting and moderating, and thank you all who show up here.
This week feels different to me, the energy out there is so craggy and speedy.
As the holidays near, some painful memories of covidianism this time in 2021 and 2020 come to the fore. So many things to compare and contrast, so many things gone, while others persist.
In part thanks to this forum, I'm seeing my way forward more clearly than I did a year ago, as I dance with the questions of what to do, what to avoid, what to say, when to remain silent, whom to reach out to, whom to let go.
Focusing on nutrition, healthy living habits, and ramping up my skill set.
Gratefully,
Cetiosaurus
Re: Thank you
Date: 2022-12-07 07:21 pm (UTC)I have this system in my mind were the posts are linked to the Tarot
now post ID changed to
21xxxx I expected to end by 21xxxx
it started at 14xxxx
maybe the crazyness will end by 22xxxx
at week 78
what I saw last year as an worse case scenario nou looks like optimistic take
Re: Thank you
Date: 2022-12-07 08:21 pm (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/140421.html
Re: Thank you
Date: 2022-12-07 09:51 pm (UTC)i consider only the first two digits relvant to my method because they are rhe only ones that were predictably increasing cosequtively
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Date: 2022-12-06 09:09 pm (UTC)https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_600,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.substack.com%2Fmedia%2FFjMG7b6WYAE9Juo.jpg
I'd post the image, but I'm not tech savvy.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2022-12-06 11:48 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 11:39 am (UTC)The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2022-12-08 05:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-06 09:27 pm (UTC)https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/china-ends-lockdowns-says-covid-is
Are the authorities downplaying covid numbers now to hide their failure? Is the disease mild if one keeps getting it multiple times a year? Is this VAIDS?
"When we look beyond such self-serving numbers, we see high rates of Covid positivity, sick people repeatedly infected and getting sicker each time, and little sign of improvement.
A “mild” illness that reinfects sufferers three times a year is not so harmless.
We also have an AIDS-like immune deficiency problem affecting millions of people — getting sick with EVERYTHING from scabies to fungi to severe cases of ordinary colds, flu and RSV. Rintrah Radagast described them in an amazing post that I highly recommend reading."
I remember someone telling me about a tweet from some egghead along the lines of: "If the vaccines cause VAIDS, then where are all the fungal infections as per AIDS?"
Well, it sounds like they've arrived.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2022-12-07 12:00 am (UTC)Is your autocorrect secretly conveying how you feel about work?
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Date: 2022-12-07 07:11 am (UTC)The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2022-12-07 04:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 08:13 am (UTC)It's not even a month into my latest role and I could walk at any point.
A new record for me.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2022-12-07 12:39 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 09:29 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 07:24 am (UTC)Getting back to your proposal, those doctors prescribing ivermectin for scabies could then be audited, and the fake scabies "diagnoses" and treatments would be discovered and used as evidence of fraud perpetrated against the insurer. The prescribing doctor would face not only loss of license and fines, but hard core prison time.
--Lunar Apprentice
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Date: 2022-12-08 08:20 am (UTC)15 or so years ago in the community where I was initially a medical resident and then a fellow, a doctor who was an interventional pain specialist and Professor of Medicine permitted his fellow (basically a post-graduate resident) to perform a procedure unsupervised, a definite no-no administratively/legally if not medically. Even worse, he documented that he was present in the procedure room supervising when he wasn't. The procedure was successful, without mishap or complication. But somehow (I don't know how), the discrepancy between the procedure note and what really happened was discovered by the payor, and a charge of fraud was brought against the offending doctor. He was convicted, fined IIRC, $500,000, made to return payment for services and 3-fold penalty, stripped of his license, and sentenced to 10+ years in prison. His adult daughter, who herself was a medical student, then committed suicide.
Even I nearly got in big trouble, not for fraud, but for using the wrong revision of an Informed Consent form in my own research project. One day, my mentor knocked on door, and said "Pick up your research notebook and follow me. You're in big trouble because you did not use the consent form that was authorized." I followed her to the division director's office, and there on his desk was the damning evidence against me: The consent form that had been authorized, and beside it the earlier revision of same that I had been giving to my research subjects. The only difference was a minor word substitution and punctuation; there was no discernible semantic distinction. But the gravity of the situation was such that I might as well have been confronted with an incriminating murder weapon, and I was accordingly asked to account for this evidence. At the end of a dramatic scene where the Division Director shredded my notebook, then erased all my electronic research data, my mentor and I left his office, and she said to me: "You are amazingly lucky this didn't get past the Director's office. You could have gone to prison. If you don't learn anything else in this fellowship, it'll be how to stay out of prison."
Medicine in the US, certainly academic medicine, can be a dangerous game. Unless you're high enough on the totem pole of course...
--Lunar Apprentice
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Date: 2022-12-08 05:00 pm (UTC)Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-06 11:05 pm (UTC)Just out of curiosity, do any of you have opinions about whether any of the current resources out there suggesting possible modes of remediation for vaccine injury look particularly promising?
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-06 11:08 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-06 11:58 pm (UTC)This is of course purely a historical curiosity and I mention it here solely in case it's of interest to history buffs. Since I'm not a licensed health care provider, I wouldn't presume to diagnose, treat, or prescribe for any medical condition.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 12:15 am (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 03:30 am (UTC)https://archive.org/details/twelvetissuerem00boer/page/326/mode/2up
-- and notice which salt or salts matched the majority of the patient's symptoms. That was the salt or salts the patient then took -- say, four doses daily.
(Of course all this is of historical interest only.)
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 03:24 pm (UTC)For example:
unusual clotting, or
unusual bleeding
(including in menstrual blood)
OR
Blood in sputum, in vomitus, in urine, in feces, in mucous, or issuing from nose, ear, or other orifice.
OR
pain that is focal (you can point to it exactly with a finger), fixed and stabbing in character
AND (in all cases above, unless the problem is acute, in which the below signs may not have developed)
accompanied by - visible purple areas on skin or tongue, dark purple sublingual veins, visible and *purple* spider vein naevi, purple cast to complexion or purplish areas under the nails.
(If this is of any use for historical cartographers wishing to compare maps...)
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 08:20 pm (UTC)Epistaxis: Calc. sulph., Ferr. phos. , Kali phos. , Kali sulph., Natr. phos., Natr. sulph., Natr. mur., Kali mur.
after blowing thick yellow crusts from nose: Kali phos.
afternoons: Kali mur.
bright red blood: Ferr. phos.
during menses: Natr. sulph.
from coughing: Natr. mur.
from stooping: Natr. mur.
in children: Ferr. phos.
predisposition to: Kali phos.
In terms of the specific symptoms you cite, unusual clotting is Kali mur. or Ferr. phos. in general; bloody stools can be Kali mur., Calc. sulph., Kali phos., or Ferr. phos.; clotted menstruation is Kali mur. unless it's fibrous or stringy, in which case it's Mag. phos.; and most of the others aren't mentioned at all.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 08:43 pm (UTC)Let all travellers beware... Whatever map you carry, the terrain is the human being whose suffering asks to be alleviated.
There are many maps, use them to the best of your skill and ability, and then remember to navigate by close attention to the terrain itself, and its/their responses.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:33 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 12:20 am (UTC)https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/
Lots of pine needle tea, too.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 04:29 pm (UTC)Coincidence? Or is pine needle tea in fact really quite effective for covid symptoms? Interestingly, I read that one of the traditional uses of pine needle tea was as an anti-parasitic....you know, just like ivermectin?
Bottom line - my anec-data point is that pine needle tea did seem to work very well against my own covid infection.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:36 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 11:56 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 02:25 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 05:04 pm (UTC)I could be wrong, but it has worked so far.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 01:53 am (UTC)https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/I-RECOVER-Post-Vaccine-Treatment-Summary-PDF.pdf
Dr. Kory and colleagues have been leaders in both Covid and vax injury treatment.
Chris
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:36 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 02:27 am (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 09:33 am (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:40 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 08:17 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 03:00 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:35 am (UTC)As always this is not suggesting a treatment and always consult your doctor before doing anything.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:43 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 10:17 am (UTC)Long answer I believe everyone has a different physiology and mental makeup and needs to make the effort to find what life protocol suits them best. By life protocol I mean the combo of diet, exercise, spiritual/emotional/mental practices that keep you in the best overall shape.
That means what works well for one person isn't necessarily going to work for you. You need to try different things out and see what gives you a benefit.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 03:29 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 11:49 am (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:46 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 12:00 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 03:40 pm (UTC)I'm sorry to hear that you also are dealing with arrhythmic issues. I wonder if it's possible to get my father to consider conducting an "EMF fast" for a while to see if it made any difference. My parents lead a pretty wired existence. I'll suggest grounding and cutting out MSG and aspartame at the very least.
It may not be caused by a vaccine injury, but if you've got arrhythmia, may I add you to my heart-healing prayers?
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-09 04:34 am (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 06:01 pm (UTC)Since my father told me about his new heart condition, I began doing prayers and making simple offerings (candle, Orphic hymn, honey) petitioning for his healing on each Sunday to the Sun at the hour of the Sun. (I chose the Sun as the focus of prayer because it rules the heart, as well as traditionally being a god of vitality and health.) At first I was planning to only do a sequence of 6 sessions, but somehow it's gone on for longer than that and I guess I'll basically continue indefinitely until such time as my father clearly is better.
Anyway, the generous anonymous poster who offered to pray on my father's behalf, as well as the other anonymous poster who says that they also have sustained heart damage from the vaccine, gives me an idea. Do you think it would be appropriate to invite others in this forum who may be interested to join me in planetary prayers on Sundays, praying for the healing, health, and wellbeing of the people in our lives whose heart problems come, we suspect, from a vaccine injury?
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 08:00 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 09:01 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 02:27 pm (UTC)EDIT: done. https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/210355.html?thread=37337779#cmt37337779
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 12:21 pm (UTC)My husband and his brothers all had bad vxn rxns. My mother and aunt too. In my closest family, only my aphasic brother seems to have had no issues.
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 03:44 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 05:19 pm (UTC)If your father thinks his symptom is caused by spike protein (can be the result of both vax or C19) and is interested in energy medicine, he can try these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tUaFcsZiSk (starts at 6:30) or https://www.pruneharris.com/coronaviruscourse
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 10:38 pm (UTC)Thanks for the video links, I'll check them out soon.
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Date: 2022-12-08 12:26 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 11:16 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-09 04:32 am (UTC)Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-07 11:36 pm (UTC)Bob
Re: Vaccine Injuries
Date: 2022-12-08 02:30 pm (UTC)First person andecdata
Date: 2022-12-07 12:01 am (UTC)Now, a co-worker whom I'd worked closely with had just spent the last half of the week out sick with the 'Vid. I figured my number was up, and wondered what to expect. Came home, hit it with everything I had-- vitamins C and D, zinc, quercetin, black cumin, aspirin. Since you are obviously more at risk for tapeworm and malaria with a viral disease, I turned to the full FLCCC arsenal that advised that I use my stockpiled Vitamin I and HCQ to boot. :-) Went to bed for a long nap, and woke up in a bit over two hours. Came downstairs, and lo and behold, I could taste my dinner, not just in a muted way, but quite intensely, even better than I remembered the dish tasting.
I continued to nap liberally for the next two days, at times I felt a bit tired, but the hint of a sore throat I had on Saturday has not returned, Went back to work today, and felt better than normal, no doubt, from all the naps. In total, I did 3 days of vitamin I, and the same with HCQ, all prescribed legally by doctors with a conscience and a website. I think over two years of nutritional prep made a difference, and I probably beat it off mostly in under a day. (I'm not a doctor, though, I just make fun of them on TV.)
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Part 2 of this anecdata. I work in a highly vaccinated publicly funded facility that is responsible for housing quite a few people and taking care of them. Staffing is really suffering, lots of poorly defined "illness", and a recent re-do of a policy that had required rigorous cootie testing. Now, if you don't test and feel able to work, you're free to come back. No more obligation to test, but they do still force a minimum time-out for anyone who tests positive. It is everything but explicit-- we can't admit we were wrong, but nothing really controls it, and we need staff to fill needed positions. They are really struggling, though. A considerable portion is just that the work is demanding-- I think turnover has always been high. But I've never seen it like now.
I enjoy creating cognitive dissonance among management-- according to their script, I was putting myself at great risk by refusing. It is increasingly appearing to me, though, that everyone who bought this story has put themselves at risk. I hope it resolves without disaster, but in any case, this is going to be a very challenging winter, I believe.
Sign me,
Lucky
Re: First person andecdata
Date: 2022-12-07 11:50 am (UTC)They helped me quite a lot.
They have some recent findings which are pretty interesting and support your observations.
Quoting from
"Reusch, Julia, Isabell Wagenhäuser, Alexander Gabel, Anna Höhn, Thiên-Trí Lâm, Lukas B. Krone, Anna Frey et al. (2022). Inability to work following COVID-19 vaccination among healthcare workers-an important aspect for future booster vaccinations. medRxiv"
they find that 87% of all vaccinated have to take medications to cope with the after effects and 27,9% have to take sick days
“Overall, 3·8% (51/1,704) of HCWs [Health Care Workers] were on sick leave (0·1 average sick days) after the first dose of COVID-19 vaccination, 21·8% (370/1,698; 0·4 average sick days) after the second and 27·9% (378/1,355; 0·5 average sick days) after the third one. With each additional dose, there was a significant increase in the proportion of HCWs on sick leave (p<0·0001, comparing first and second dose; p<0·0001, comparing first and third dose; p<0·0001, comparing second and third dose; Figure 2F) as well as in the mean sick leave (p<0·0001, comparing first and second dose; p<0·0001, comparing first and third dose; p<0·001, comparing second and third dose; Figure 2E).”
https://sciencefiles.org/2022/12/02/nebenwirkungspandemie-covid-19-impfung-ursache-der-personalknappheit-im-gesundheitswesen-90-benoetigen-medikamente-rund-30-sind-arbeitsunfaehig/
Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-07 01:39 am (UTC)https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/transcribed-deposition-of-dr-anthony
Warning, it is over 400 pages long and not going to answer any questions that you may have. Either he is not mentally fit for the position or he is lying under oath.
Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-07 12:11 pm (UTC)Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-07 02:47 pm (UTC)Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-07 04:32 pm (UTC)Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-07 07:56 pm (UTC)Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-07 08:11 pm (UTC)Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-08 12:47 am (UTC)Then, of course such a person holding such an Important Position (TM) would like to show they are indeed qualified to hold it...
Then, when they don't recall a darned thing, it's time to suggest that they indeed unfit.
Re: Link to Dr Fauci's transcript
Date: 2022-12-08 05:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 02:24 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 03:39 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 11:47 am (UTC)Here's her last tweet as a sample - "Affirmation: I peacefully detach from people that require me to betray myself. By being my authentic self I bring authentic people into my life. I have more compassion for myself and my inner child. I choose to see the good in me every day."
She does talk about narcissist parents often and the lifelong damage it does to people. There's a whole set of coping mechanisms she's tweeted about that thousands of people replied to and said "oh wow, that's me." If you use Twitter advanced search (just type that phrase into any internet browser to access it) you can put in her handle and then the key words you want to search.
Maybe this
Date: 2022-12-09 05:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 03:31 am (UTC)Might it be possible for you to explain why your mood is "bleak", any new insights on your original prognosis ?
Many thanks in advance,
Sapienter Si Sincere
Can't remember hating being right before
Date: 2022-12-07 03:34 am (UTC)First week of summer at the bottom of the world and I'm nervous. It's really happening.
(1) Lots of media coverage about how the medical system is failing. Lowest number of elective surgeries ever performed last year, for example.
(2) A major hospital in Melbourne put out an announcement asking people not to come in last week. Basically said they had no capacity to see people. Said there was lots of covid around. Spokesdoctor sounded very frustrated, said, "It's like people's immune systems aren't working as they should", or words to that effect. Then started banging on about quacksination and bringing lockdowns back. I just hate it when people get 90% of the way there and then - whoomp - they've looked away again.
(3) Kirstie Alley's death sounded like a turbo cancer.
(4) TWO heart-wrenching stories on my Facebook feed in the last week about mothers of young children suddenly found to be within inches of death from widespread cancer that was never suspected. I think this used to be really really uncommon.
I really thought we'd have a peaceful few months in the sun, but maybe not.
Re: Can't remember hating being right before
Date: 2022-12-07 06:43 pm (UTC)Re: Can't remember hating being right before
Date: 2022-12-08 04:13 am (UTC)Re: Can't remember hating being right before
Date: 2022-12-08 07:38 am (UTC)If yes, down here in Oz, elective surgeries will be paid for by the state, if one can get a slot in a public hospital when one needs it, and waiting lists are often very long.
If one has private insurance, then one can get in much more quickly, which often means that one recovers better.
Down here though, at the moment, my local hospital is issuing advice not to go to emergency unless it is a 'real' emergency as they are really very busy (I don't think they've said it's covid, but let's face it, it probably is, or it's covid plus other bugs exploiting weakened immune systems), and I have heard that one Melbourne hospital has stopped elective surgeries due to covid, but are still doing emergency surgeries.
Debt levels down here must be absolutely through the roof - and interest rates are rising. Housing is outrageously expensive and covid appears to have made it even more expensive in many areas. Somehow the bubble never pops. It's just insane really. Another bunch of risks to add to the building pressure.
The Ninth Mouse
anecdotal of course
Date: 2022-12-07 06:33 am (UTC)Anyways, I wasn't worried of course but did take the "pre-covid" recommends from Stephen Buhner, for the next 10 days or so, fairly standard immune support really, cordyceps, Siberian ginseng, Japanese knotweed, etc... and then took 1g Vit C and Vit D daily. I am sure I am exposed plenty of other times, at the grocery store or whenever with no t notice. I have never tested postitive for the virus.
day to day I take the standard cell salt mix of 12, for the past more than a year, I have been forgetting the months ones. I do other things for health
Atmospheric River
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Date: 2022-12-07 09:54 am (UTC)"CDC FAKES High Flu Numbers in the US to Scare Us into Taking Flu Vaccines
Does Flu Vaccine Worsen deadly bacterial infections?"
by Igor Chudov
Dec 6, 2022
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/cdc-fakes-high-flu-numbers-in-the
The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-07 10:13 am (UTC)Grumbling Grumbledore, today channeling my inner interior decorator (because temples and altars can be so pretty)
More on the flu shots--
"Giving Up the Belief in Flu Shots
Truth Tellers Sound like Raving Lunatics"
by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
December 3, 2022
https://drtenpenny.substack.com/p/giving-up-the-belief-in-flu-shots
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A QUOTE FROM THAT (LONG) POST:
https://drtenpenny.substack.com/p/giving-up-the-belief-in-flu-shots
For Flu Shot Devotees
I know that most who are reading this column avoid flu shots like the plague. But I’m sure you have many friends and family members who rush out to get their flu shot each season like it was as good for them - and as harmless - as a B-12 shot.
If they listen to you at all, learning that flu shots, similar to the Covid shots offer risk but no benefit is disturbing, The reaction to this information is predictable. Many people will deny it. Then many more will become angry and call it ‘misinformation.’ Denial is most pervasive among doctors and public health officials who encourage everyone to “get your flu shot NOW!” despite convincing evidence that they don’t protect you from getting the flu.
Denials from friends and family may sound something like this:
“Well, the flu shot always protects me.”
“Shouldn’t some people get the flu shot?”
“My doctor would never recommend something that wasn’t beneficial or could be harmful. I really LIKE my doctor!”
Reversing the ingrained beliefs about the effectiveness of flu shots is difficult, even in light of solid evidence. Many will never give up their long-held belief that a flu shot protects them from the flu.
I’ll close today with two of my favorite quotes:
The first, by Dresden James, a pen name of the writer Donald James Wheal, said: ‘It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn’t flat.’
James is also noted for saying one of my other long time favorite quotes:
“A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”
Welcome to the Club of Raving Lunatics.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-07 07:40 pm (UTC)Not much to say to that, the goalposts just move from immunity to severity.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-07 10:08 pm (UTC)So basically the Fox is airbags that mitigate collision damage.
But don't airbags just inflate sometimes and cause serious damage?
There must be other analogies of 'protective devices' that backfire like the Fox does.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 07:17 am (UTC)After hearing this from my mom its been my go to when discussing in my circles. That the vaccines target variants so far gone, then the virus just evolves around whatever theoretical protection might be possible.
Like always putting your spare key under your doormat.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 12:53 am (UTC)I'm not sure what the repercussions of this will be; still mulling it over.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 07:11 am (UTC)Even a few years ago she discovered that statins were not what they seemed and pulled my dad off them. Generally they avoid all drugs when they can. But vaccines continue to squeak through.
The benefits are too vague I worry compared to a drug with semi instant benefit or harm.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 11:59 am (UTC)This is not an unreasonable long term repercussion to predict, I think.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 07:15 pm (UTC)When I explain to vex supporters that there is zero long term safety data, that most vaccine trials fail the long term study phase, and that while I acknowledge that VAERS data does not prove danger ("correlation doesn't prove causality"; which c-19 vex supporters never tire of repeating), it clearly suggests the possibility so strongly that the only responsible action is to regard the vex as causal until proven otherwise, suspend the program, and convincingly account for those suspicious deaths as being caused by something else if the vex program is really so crucial. That comment always draws blank if not appalled stares (as if I were insane), and the most coherent reply ever given to me was "You're the first person I've ever heard explain vaccine opposition that way."
Yeah, I guess I'm counted among the lunatics alright.
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-09 10:46 am (UTC)The other thing they don't do, is remember that doctors have always asked the question "what was happening in your life when X started? had anything changed that you are aware of?"
And if you said (say) "well, I had started taking that prescription Y..." the doctor is unlikely to immediately say, "correlation does not equal causation!" and make some "avert!" sign with their fingers. Instead they will probably make a note on your file saying "possibly allergic to or intolerant of prescription Y", and change your prescription.
What I've always found remarkable is the *departure* from standard clinical operating procedure in the case of vaccines...
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-09 05:31 pm (UTC)Any other ideas? I think we need a new meme here.
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-09 08:39 pm (UTC)Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 06:09 pm (UTC)[But]"causality causes correlation."
Bingo. Thank you for that.
Perhaps I would add: "Something caused that correlation, so why not take a peek behind the kimono, eh?"
or perhaps "Why not assume it's the vex until proven otherwise?"
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 09:21 pm (UTC)Listening to them chant "correlation does not imply causality" like a mantra makes it seem like they're trying to condition us to believe "correlation disproves causality". Wake up!
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-11 09:43 am (UTC)The many possible interactions of correlation and non-correlation, causation and non-causation, and the need to pursue (and rule out or fail to rule out) ALL of them is lost on many people who can recite the mantra.
For example, it is also true (especially when looking for small effects in large samples) that "non-correlation does not prove non-causation". This is especially worth understanding when reading papers that are making a claim based entirely on the presence or absence of "statistical significance" (the Evidence Based Medicine way of talking about correlations and whether they can be assumed to be causative or not).
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-13 12:02 am (UTC)If a strong correlation shows up unexpectedly, causal or not, there is something missing in your model, cocked up in your calculations, or holey in your hypothesis.
If you don’t seek the cause of the correlation you are not doing science, you are practicing faith rites or idol worship. Scientists do NOT beg the question; they question everything. Especially, themselves.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 02:50 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 06:06 pm (UTC)The beauty here is that it tolerably often gets the other person to look into the research, and more than one person has said after doing that and seeing how flimsy the research is in various topics, more than one person has eventually changed their mind.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 09:24 pm (UTC)You're advocating for people to take a novel drug? Go proof to me that it's safe - and good luck finding the data to support that!"
;-)
Milkyway
PS: I'm kinda sick of being wrongfully forced into the defensive, in case you couldn't tell... ;-)
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-11 11:25 am (UTC)The *marketee* of a product should never have to made an argument for not "buying". They are always and ever free to simply not buy.
It falls always and ever on the *marketer* to make a sufficiently persuasive case to result in a sale.
At least, so people who believe in "free markets" keep telling me... ;)
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-13 05:45 pm (UTC)Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 02:50 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 05:48 pm (UTC)Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 04:08 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 10:18 am (UTC)So I’d imagine the pressure is getting to them. They are watching the vax fail and people around them get diagnosed with all kinds of things and people die more frequently. But thanks to The Narrative (tm) they can’t talk about what they see or feel with anyone, not even their doctor or their therapist, because they were in on it too. They also don’t want to be seen as one of those crazy anti-vax people.
It’s been astounding to watch over the fall. The lack of honest conversations is such a tell. People can’t even say “wow this whole Covid thing has been nuts” in the PMC world. They just don’t talk about it. Then next thing they are needing to take an extended break.
It was so hard being unvaxxed last year but I did it for moral reasons and I found all of you for support. These normal people have nothing. Two crazy fringes shrieking at them and a government and public health establishment offering nothing but more vaccines and masks.
Idk what my role is in this - just keep observing or offer some kind of help to them. Last year they were for vax mandates (it’s for the common good!) so it’s a spiritual struggle for me.
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Date: 2022-12-07 05:51 pm (UTC)My boss and I were just talking about Died Suddenly, and why with the Bigfoot and conspiracy - was it a QAnon setup?
And she said "Are they trying to say it's real like Bigfoot? Or fake?"
See, she was an archaeologist - no one has good non-materialist stories like ecologists and archaeologists (I'd also wager experimental physicists, but I don't know any to test this theory). To get a bunch of scientists to believe in Bigfoot and ghosts, the data have to be over the top, undeniable, and unlooked-for. And so that's what they get. Like a structure, built of five foot diameter tree logs, with tanned skin roof, in the middle of deep, mountainous forested nowhere - and the First Nations assistants explain this is a typical Bigfoot house.
Everyone has stories like this, though, you start in, then they all start coming out, then they're allowed to talk about other things no one believes in, but they have irrefutable data for...
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Date: 2022-12-08 01:59 pm (UTC)I also believe in Bigfoot but I have trouble believing that Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) build log cabins. Supposing they are intelligent enough to pick up that technology and willing to devote the time and energy to it, they would need some very large stone tools, and you'd think people would find those lying around, as they do old arrowheads. Still, I would love to see the structure you mention.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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Date: 2022-12-08 05:23 pm (UTC)My boss didn't see it, her coworkers had photographs, so they are in the official archaeological records of whatever oil and gas project they were working on. Bigfoot hunters take note: check government mining files! It didn't look like a cabin, she said it was vaguely pyramidal - it did not have an obvious human use.
Yeah, I had never heard that before, but their assistants were firm on the fact that this was a common thing Bigfoot did. A Nisga'a person also said they make a sound like 1000 babies crying, but all the recordings I've heard were clearly just bull elk bugling - when they make it echo off the mountains during rut.
I think it just confirms Bigfoot doesn't need conventional tools, the way other non-totally-corporeal creepy critters don't need arms to throw really heavy things around.
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Date: 2022-12-08 05:45 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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Date: 2022-12-07 07:41 pm (UTC)What I see is that most people are genuinely unaware of anything wrong with the vax. When (If) the dam bursts the shock will be massive.
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Date: 2022-12-07 08:05 pm (UTC)So yeah, people are in the dumps. My recommendation is, settle in for a spiritual war that will last the rest of your life.
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Date: 2022-12-08 10:40 am (UTC)In the Kübler-Ross model we have: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Most are still in the denial stage I reckon.
I came across Peak Oil circa 2005, just after a deep dive into 9/11 and spent a few years being angry. Bargained for a while by going eco and austere, but then looked at the data more closely and realised how stuffed we are and how my choices made no difference to the trajectory of society.
Oh well, at least we still have humour. Here's Jim Breuer at his funniest on the topic of the jab "Somebody had to say it". https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bItcoUb5xsw
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Date: 2022-12-09 06:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-14 09:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 08:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 08:51 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 06:31 pm (UTC)But the wealthiest boomers are very touchy. Maybe it's vaccine injury, but I suspect it's something else.
The one on my council I make froth at least once every meeting by pointing out macroeconomic trends. This week I knew I was being bad, but I did it anyway, and I pointed out that on on issue we were going to be bad guys no matter what, with no good decision to make because the homeowners in question were being greedy, and we had no law applicable against rank greed.
One of the developers spent the rest of the discussion twitching a jerking in an odd way, and people in the audience started breathing really heavily and turning pale. They were fighting it, but they knew.
The other councillor gave this thundering impassioned speech about people being allowed to do whatever they wanted with lands they bought - they owned it - as justification why he was voting against the motion. But I was voting for the motion, because it was the slightly least bad option; and his speech indicated he wanted to as well. Another councillor pointed this out to him. He gave another thundering speech and doubled down on why this meant he would NOT support it. The sense of shock in the room was palpable - a couple more attempts were tried to communicate, but it was impossible, everyone seemed to get frightened, and the mayor broke character and said, " We tried. I'm just calling the question."
The councillor voted against himself.
But later, he understood it instantly, and seemed really frightened, when the first councillor explained again after the meeting. It was like watching someone wake up in the middle of a sleep walk. I've never seen anything like it; one councillor who had been making frantic eye contact with me at one point said he had been worried he'd been watching a medical emergency unfold.
I'd thought our culture had replaced gold with land (Cortes' quote to Montezuma), but I think that clinched it.
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Date: 2022-12-09 08:05 am (UTC)in these three words you summed up what's been both missing, and the bone of contention, these last few years. it's been more of a struggle to get by.
i'm going to work on developing this atrophied zest for life once again, and encouraging everyone around me to do so.
as someone on the internet said, "what's so extreme about wanting to survive?"
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Date: 2022-12-07 07:47 pm (UTC)For millenials I expect a major crisis as the cohort passes the age to get married and have children with out much to fall back on. How long can travel and hedonism sustain you? It’s always chasing the next thing with your wallet out.
I feel all this weighs on people in difficult to measure ways, greater than just covid as this was happening prior too.
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Date: 2022-12-14 09:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 08:31 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 08:33 pm (UTC)BUT I AM NOT DEPRESSED ACTUALLY
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Date: 2022-12-10 12:51 am (UTC)I imagine a lot of old friends and former colleagues think that I've just "dropped away" and may wonder if I'm okay and wonder what's wrong with me. I avoid people, I don't return most of their non-work emails, I've let some calls go to voice mail, I just give quick superficial replies to queries, and I am always "busy" and unable to meet up.
The truth is, they were people who went all-in on the Cootie Cult, and I haven't forgotten the attitudes they held or the things they were saying about people who didn't agree with them. They aren't actively doing or saying those things anymore, but being around them still makes me feel uncomfortable and awkward. And I'm not really INTERESTED in being around them anymore, either.
Yeah I know we used to be friends, but I've recently seen a side of you I don't like, I've realized that you don't really like people like me (you didn't realize that I was/am "one of them" - and it's been more than one type of "them" - when you were saying nasty things about "those people"), and I don't think we have much in common any more.
I'd rather spend time with the few friends I was still able to spend time with in 2020 (back when you were all hiding in your house while working-class people brought you things), because the people who were out and about with me in 2020 don't make me feel uncomfortable. We kind of bonded sneaking around and meeting up maskless in 2020, while you were screeching on social media and over virtual "get-togethers" about the horrible people who were getting together in real life and the horrible people who didn't wear face masks all the time and the horrible people who didn't want experimental gene therapy. Why would you want to hang around with a horrible person like me? I certainly don't want to hang around you.
But I bet they all thing that I'M the one who "got weird" and "disappeared" after covid...
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Date: 2022-12-14 09:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 01:55 pm (UTC)It would be of interest to see whether there was any such trend in social democracies with stronger labor laws and less cultural tendency to label everyone as somehow mentally unwell.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Spain was the 'developped' country wuth more death excess in the COVID hard phase.
Date: 2022-12-07 01:13 pm (UTC)https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/sociedad/2022/12/06/espana-pais-desarrollado-exceso-muertes-fase-dura-covid/0003_202212G6P22991.htm
https://www.oecd.org/spain/health-at-a-glance-Spain-EN.pdf
The best public health services in the world, says always our dear government...
-A Spaniard.
A Brilliant Piece by a Lioness of Canadian Freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 03:01 pm (UTC)Julie is a regular contributor to Brownstone Institute publications. The latest has just been published, which appears to be the text of the speech she recently gave at a conference hosted by Rebel News in Calgary. There is so much packed into the speech, it is amazing! One can read it here: https://brownstone.org/articles/if-we-only-knew/
Julie names the names of individuals in the diseased heart of the Prime Minister’s Office who worked tirelessly at manipulating the public in recent years. As far as I know, nobody has done this before.
There is so much quotable material in the speech that to do it justice, I’d have to quote the whole thing. However, I’ll just leave a couple of teasers:
“The real COVID war is not a battle over what is true, what counts as information, what it means to #followthescience; it’s a battle over what our lives mean and, ultimately, whether we matter. It’s a battle over the stories we tell.”
“We tell our stories because this is what we’ve done for thousands of years to make sense of our fears, to communicate with people from other tribes, to give our ancestors some degree of immortality and to teach our children. We tell our stories because we believe a cry in the dark will eventually be heard. These stories are what set a crisis in context. And sometimes a crisis can be productive.
“In 1944, Jean Paul Sartre wrote an article for the Atlantic about those who fought against the occupation of France. Sartre begins the article with an apparent contraction:
“Never were we freer,” he wrote, “than under the German occupation. We had lost all our rights, and first of all our right to speak. They insulted us to our faces….The deported us en masse…. And because of all this we were free.”
“Free? Really?!
“For Sartre, it isn’t our circumstances that control us; it is how we interpret them. Sartre said they were unified because they all experienced the same fears, the same loneliness, the same uncertainty about the future.
“And it was the courage of those who resisted suffering amidst all of this that led them out of it.”
To this I add: salutations to all the writers and artists of all types who put their heart and souls into telling the stories that matter at this time; and to all the brave ones who put these stories into action in their own unique ways.
Freedom! Liberté!
Ron M
Re: A Brilliant Piece by a Lioness of Canadian Freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 06:36 pm (UTC)As Ponesse says, it's about "whether we matter." We, as unique individuals.
I mean, what's with the one-size-fits-all all must be jabbed? For those who think it is, we see how the authorities and so many other righteously injected people treat the vaxx injured. They made no meaningful provision for them at all, and they gaslighted them, censored them, neglected them, and even laughed at them.
I see this now swinging the other way out there... very messy.... so much resentment, anger, even explosive rage.
Ponesse is one of my heroes. She says what must be said, but with both heart and intelligent measure.
Cetiosaurus
Re: A Brilliant Piece by a Lioness of Canadian Freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 08:38 pm (UTC)Vaccine Damage: Real People - Adam
by Debi Evans, UK Column
Published December 1, 2022
https://rumble.com/v1ya2iu-vaccine-damage-real-people-adam.html
TRANSCRIPT - EXCERPT
1:11:14
DEBI EVANS: It is quite utterly shocking. Adam, I want to thank you so much for being so brave and speaking out. I know this has been completely exhausting for you. But as always, it's your voice that we need to hear. I would like to give you the last words. So Adam, you've got a message for the professionals, and for the public about that. What would it be?
ADAM ROWLAND: The professionals, Debi, it's, I'm absolutely disgusted. It's horrendous how they're treating human beings that were told to do the right thing. I was told to do the right thing. I'm a professional person, I'm not misinformation. They're completely ignoring us, our government, the people that's supposed to serve us.
June Raine, you're supposed to be the chief of the MHRA*, June. I watched you laugh at us. I watched you laugh when somebody asked you a question today. I brought questions into the board meeting that I attended a public board meeting today. You laughed at us with disrespect.**
There's enough evidence, June. There's evidence on the ONS website*** warning 301 people after the covid vaccine dying within 45 days. It's irrefutable evidence. Yet you're telling me that it's all been investigated. I put a question to you. Show me evidence that you're investigating this data. Make it transparent. You didn't answer the question.
It's inhumane what I'm going through and what others are going through. You think that we can just be ignored? I'm telling you this, June and your colleagues, we ain't going to go away. When I die, you can have that on your mind. If you can sleep at night.
Well, you disgust me. You absolutely disgust me, how we've been treated. I would never treat another human being like that. I just hope you sleep well at night. Because you know what's going on. You know what's going on. We never got told about the AstraZeneca vaccine why it was pulled so you know it's dangerous because you wouldn't have pulled it. You haven't got the decency to come up and admit that you're wrong. You'd rather just sweep us under the carpet.
I tell you, I'm not going to go away for all those people who're vaccinated, until my last breath you're going to hear from us.
And for anyone else who's suffering vaccine injury I know how it feels and I'm telling you you've got to start speaking up because these people don't want us to speak up. They want to sweep us under the carpet. They want to forget about us. And they want us to die. And that's how they're treating us and it's that simple.
1:14:06
[END OF EXCERPT]
# # #
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
Read the post about this interview at:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/vaccine-damage-real-people-adam
*June Raine is CEO of the UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/june-raine
See also
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dr-june-raine-appointed-as-ceo-of-mhra
** Debi Evans, nursing correspondent for UK Column, reports with clips of the board meeting starting at 1:00:34.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-16th-november-2022
From the show notes:
MHRA: worst board meeting yet—insensitive, offensive, dangerous
51:47 Debi Evans introduces 15 November board meeting: exclusive full footage will be up on ukcolumn.org soon
52:29 MHRA board meeting ignores questions from several Covid vaccine-injured online attenders about safety and serious adverse reactions
"Are you realising the public are watching you?"
Unanswered question by Covid vaccine victim Charlet Crichton
Adam Rowland's unanswered questions
1:00:00 Clip: MHRA says it is difficult to present safety data to the public
Mike Robinson comment: This is sales patter
1:04:05 "Champagne on ice"—second clip from board meeting showcases the frivolity of MHRA Chief Technology Officer Claire Harrison
Wayne Cunnington’s blog on Substack [https://waynecunnington.substack.com/ ]
about the whole MHRA board meeting bursting into laughter at a patient safety question
Account of 15 November MHRA board meeting by Wayne Cunnington
Wayne Cunnington’s past article for UK Column
[ https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/dangerous-vaccine-and-medical-failures-waynes-story ]
1:09:00 Tweets from the public show extent of rage against the MHRA
***ONS is the UK's Office of National Statistics
https://www.ons.gov.uk
Re: A Brilliant Piece by a Lioness of Canadian Freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 08:13 pm (UTC)They are in very, very short supply right now.
Liam in Toronto
Re: A Brilliant Piece by a Lioness of Canadian Freedom
Date: 2022-12-07 08:15 pm (UTC)Re: A Brilliant Piece by a Lioness of Canadian Freedom
Date: 2022-12-10 05:03 am (UTC)i just watched dr. ponesse's "farewell lecture," and read the brownstone link. i highly recommend both to anyone who has yet to experience them.
one of my ways of, for lack of a better phrase, making the public aware of the counter-narrative was getting a pile of the covid wars: hero stickers to put on public property. i neglected to include dr. ponesse in the original purchase, and was happy to find her sticker when i looked again. let's just say she will be well represented once the next shipment arrives!
you did pick out some choice quotes from her presentation, but here is one i like:
Do we tell the story that our individual lives don’t matter, that we are expendable for the sake of the greater good, that technology will purify us, that if only we elect the right leaders, all our problems will be solved?
Or do we tell a better story? A story according to which our leaders are just a reflection of ourselves, that making ourselves wiser and stronger and more virtuous will always be better than relying on the state to make us healthy, safe and good, a story according to which we keep reaching for what we all deeply crave: meaning, mattering, and connecting with the humanity in others. This, I think, is a much more compelling story and the one we need to tell as we continue to fight.
you canucks have been a bright spot these last few years. you've taught us americans a lot about the freedom we blather on about.
i thank you all.
Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-07 04:52 pm (UTC)It is possible that there still could have been mass lock downs more or less simultaneously around the world without the internet, but it seems unlikely.
Workers could not work from home.
Anything and everything couldn’t be ordered online.
Would masks have even happened?
How about mRNA vaccines?
Could the hysteria mongers have stirred up sufficient mass panic?
I wonder. Orson Welles radio broadcast of “War of the Worlds” is sometimes said to have started mass panic. But as I understand, it was never as extensive and did not last as long as the Covid panic. Of course, if I have heard correctly, the government and radio did try to deescalate that.
I have a suspicion that without the internet Covid would have been treated more like the 1968 Hong Kong Flu. Of course there would have been differences, since it is a different era, but perhaps the differences wouldn’t have been so extreme.
One thing that seems to me was mostly ignored, was how much of the pandemic was spread by airlines that did not stop flying, even if their passenger numbers were greatly reduced.
Passenger jet air travel wasn’t well established when the 1968-69 Hong Kong Flu occurred.
Viewing the US and European skies on Flightaware when the pandemic first started displayed a mass of flights over both Europe and the USA. However, after only a few weeks most of the flights over Europe were stopped, the number of flight were sparse, and remained reduced.
Over the USA the flights never seemed to decrease. They probably did decrease but not so much that it was very observably different to me, as was the case in Europe.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-07 06:47 pm (UTC)At least with the internet we had some possibility of public dissent and debate. It was still censored heavily, but the regime couldn't get all of it censored.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-07 08:13 pm (UTC)Edward Bernays, whose uncle was Sigmund Freud, is credited with fathering the field of public relations (AKA propaganda). His methods were often to shift massive cultural trends in order to make his products or ideas more appealing. Here are 10 ways he did just that.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-07 09:25 pm (UTC)And being a Canadian of draftable age in Toronto I saw and met many young Americans of draftable age who had fled the USA..
It appears better to be locked in a house than to flee.
But it is a lot like jail. I have been in jail for 2 whole weeks for the crime of being a passenger in a car I was not driving, in the state of Florida, with no I.D. The driver was black, They targeted the car for that reason, and when they could not get him, they targeted me. Jail is not fun, but being in lockdown for several months, over and over, in the country where I live, lasted much longer and was perhaps worse. It certainly had a worse and longer lasting effect on my mental state.
Hysteria was whipped up for the first and second wars and the Vietnam war, and all the other wars since, but the past wars although much more intense were localized and different in scale, in that the actual physical war battles were not actually occurring in every country. And it takes a while to set up a war and get the troops placed, as I recall being most obvious in the first Iraq war.
The lockdowns around the world occurred everywhere within a few weeks. I don’t think that would have happened so fast without the internet. There was no place to go to escape. I know because I had my passport out and was looking for just such a place. Anywhere that was not locked down when I first began to look was locked down soon afterwards. My son was forced to leave Thailand, all foreigners were ordered to leave Thailand. There was no uninvolved place to go.
While Canada and the USA have always been involved in the World Wars, they have not had these world wars occurring in their countries.
Lockdowns were almost instantaneously enacted everywhere, except maybe Africa. And the fear mongers kept predicting Africa was going to be the hardest hit.
My conclusion: Covid lockdown appears better than war. But what I wonder, Is it better in the long run? There was that mass obedience, the almost forced injections, is not all this perhaps the beginnings and entrenchment of some bad precedents, with more similar to come as bad or worse? To be possibly added to wars that have not been eliminated either.
I remember the ridiculousness of watching the Royal Navy sail to the Falklands.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-08 11:32 am (UTC)we've never had such an energy dependent society with so much money printing and so much communication. It struck the other day how creepy it was that the world was so in sync with the lockdowns and masks. And that the people who initiated them would want to exercise that power again. They are egoists so why wouldn't they?
But I thought about it some more and the one thing about our elite our rulers our upper crust these days is that they are almost universally adult children. Their boomer upbringing has they constantly whining and feeling like deserve more. These people had the chance to enact their full digital helltopia and they didn't pull it off. They also could have mandated vaccines for everyone in the US and they didn't. It wasn't the constitution stopping them or the courts either. It's like they can't focus long enough for world domination. I'm not ruling out magical intervention either. But basically these people who people hold up as evil overlords can't keep it up. They are impotent when they need to perform for the long term.
Huh that word impotence has a lot of power. Gonna use that more often.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-07 06:56 pm (UTC)https://unherd.com/2022/12/musk-is-becoming-a-true-caesar/
The alternative explanation, of course, is that the current politics, crises, propaganda, and mass panics are characteristic of civilizations at a particular post-peak phase heading into accelerating decline.
Certainly the internet has enabled some very specific phenomena (social media, Zoom work, etc.), but I'm not entirely convinced that it is responsible for the "phase change" in society that we are observing.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-07 09:28 pm (UTC)Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-08 05:53 am (UTC)Every popular technology ends up significantly altering our cultural traditions in myriad ways. Try imagining what politics, healthcare, education, or family life would look like without fiat currency or regulated lines of credit. Or without electricity or the printing press.
What we nostalgically call "traditional democratic governance" was only made possible through the introduction of printing presses and fiat currencies, and it has already undergone countless mutations since they were introduced. Newspapers, radios, and televisions were every bit as distorting of that elusive ideal as the internet has been so far.
What's interesting about the internet, as well as credit default swaps, electronic voting, and cryptocurrencies, is that they all appear to have the magical ability to utterly gut any moral integrity remaining in our rapidly declining civilization. Is that because they were all designed with the hope of stripping value out of our decaying culture? Were radio or television designed with any different intent? Has capitalism not always been about skimming redundant value off the top?
Perhaps it's not so much the nature of our inventions that has changed, as it is the scarcity of value, monetary or moral, that remains for the pillaging. Capitalism and contraction just don't work very well together in the end. Unless, of course, the goal is actually to create neverending crises and panics — they're pretty good at that! And Ms. Harrington is dutifully contributing towards that dubious goal.
— Christophe
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-08 02:04 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-09 10:25 am (UTC)Oh and they increased immigration because they needed more workers.
The "they worse masks then" was complete and totally made up based on a few pictures and a couple of situations in California I believe.
Re: Internet's Effect on Covid Response
Date: 2022-12-10 02:56 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-07 05:25 pm (UTC)As I've popped my head in upthread regarding my father's potentially MRNA serum-induced arrhythmia, I figured I may as well go all in and give the update on my daughter's condition as well. A little over a year ago, I wrote about how my infant daughter was having paralytic episodes, apparently due to exposure to shedding-- after being touched on the foot by a well meaning elderly neighbor who had just been vaccinated, who reached out for an unwanted "aw she's so cute" as my wife was pushing the baby cart down our street.
At the time, this resulted within hours in some shingles-like sores on my daughter's foot, and the aforementioned paralysis. In time, we came to learn that she has "Alternating Hemiplegia of Childhood" (AHC), a very rare (1 in a million) and poorly understood neurological disease that strikes first in childhood ("of Childhood"), results in paralysis of the left or right side of the body ("Hemiplegia"), and bizarrely alternates sides every time she has a paralytic episode ("Alternating"). She usually spends about 3 days out of every week and a half in a hemiplegic state; occasionally longer, as it does happen sometimes that one episode connects directly to another, if there is a particular source of stress. Her cognitive and physical development have both been substantially impeded by her condition.
Back when I wrote here last, I theorized that perhaps her exposure to the vaccine shedding had caused her condition. At this point, while I can't rule that out entirely, as hemiplegia is indeed a known side effect of the Covid vaccines, and it's possible in some cases that it was actually a first case of AHC, I think that is unlikely now: I suspect that if such a side effect happened at any kind of statistically significant rate, I probably would have heard about it at least anecdotally. I guess I know for sure 10 years down the road if it turns out that right around now there was a big spike in AHC occurrences. But for now I'll assume that it wasn't the cause of the condition outright.
However I think it's safe to say that the shedding was certainly the cause of my daughter's first hemiplegia episode. I never actually saw the neighbor who touched my daughter's foot again. Why not? Well, part of it is that we moved to a new neighborhood several months later. But even before then I don't believe I ever saw him after that incident. When our house move was imminent, my wife and I saw his wife and asked her about him, as we weren't going to have a chance to say goodbye. She told us in confidence that he hadn't been out of the house in over two months, as he had a bad case of shingles and couldn't go out in public. Ouch. I feel bad for him, and I hope he is well now.
That was a shock to learn, though. The exact condition that we suspected our daughter had been exposed to via his shedding, it turned out he got a much more severe case of it. At least for my daughter, when she developed the sores on her foot, they were confined to an area about the size of a nickel, disappeared after a couple of days. Still, it was enough, evidently, to put stress on her system such that it also the first expression of her AHC.
I mean, who knows. Though AHC is considered a genetic disease, its causes and the reasons it expresses in some people and not others is very poorly understood. Maybe she would never have developed AHC at all if she hadn't been exposed to shedding at that particularly fragile and overly receptive time for her body's immune system. Who can say? Not I, certainly. But still, I suspect it's not a particularly common result of such exposure.
Anyway, since then we've made some adjustments to our lives. It's not very pleasant when one's daughter goes through tough physical times like that, but she and we have lived with her condition for a year now and have largely adjusted to the experience. (Though there was a particularly heartbreaking period a few months back where my daughter really seemed to cotton on to something really being bad about her condition, and for a while took to lifting up her paralyzed arm with her good one and letting it drop, limp and useless.) Modern medicine has no cures on offer for AHC. We are pursuing various alternative medicine strategies, and we haven't yet given up hope that her condition might be cured. Apparently occasionally AHC cases spontaneously disappear, and our hope is that could be the case for our daughter too. I wonder how often such cases are actually the result of families pursuing alternative medicine, and Science not recording the reason when healing actually occurs (because clearly there couldn't actually be any effective therapies in alternative medicine...)
Anyhow. I'm sorry I basically dropped out without updating again a year ago. That's my update for now.
Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-07 08:31 pm (UTC)Stay strong.
Liam in Toronto
Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 02:31 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-07 08:42 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 02:31 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-07 08:49 pm (UTC)Blessings on yourself and on all your care!
Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 02:32 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-07 08:54 pm (UTC)https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/chronic-pain-mecfs-post-exertional
Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 02:33 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 01:17 pm (UTC)My husband experienced reduced immune function after vaccination, and has refused all boosters. His brother was boosted twice and then developed severe swelling of the elbow below the injection site. Now he is refusing boosters. Their eldest brother is hospitalized with a stroke. There have been so many shingles vaccine ads on TV, it seems a lot of people are having that trouble as well here. The vaccine lowers immunity and then the herpes virus goes rampant. I don't know whether that might have been the cause more than spike protein shedding, as the herpes virus attacks the nerves. (I had sudden severe chest pains after my husband and his brother were vaxxed last year, so I am inclined to believe that shedding can be a real problem.)
So sad this has befallen you.
Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 10:05 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-08 10:45 pm (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-09 04:37 am (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-09 01:02 am (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-10 07:57 am (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-10 11:40 am (UTC)Re: Update on my daughter
Date: 2022-12-11 02:23 pm (UTC)Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-07 06:01 pm (UTC)SO, I and others independentally took a deep breathe, and took precautions. I did not go to a store or public place for a month. I went over to a prep type acquaintance outside and I was in googles, a real N95 mask, gloves. I was not the only one initially worried. A small number of people went to Costco and other grocery stores in similar equipment. This was a component of spooking the rest of the people. Next thing, we get stores volunteering to bring things outside to hand off, limiting how many people inside, etc.... this was before any government mandate, it was done to serve the customer base demanding it. It was voluntary, so not all public places, this was retail, while other public places did not see the customer demand to do so. I was very upset when we started to get government MANDATED rules on grocery store and other public places.
Especially ludicrous the mandates to close the beaches and redwood forest parkland. And, make no mistake, this was mostly done to keep the out of towners away, the "others" that locals did not want to spread it here. Total government overreach, and it is GOOD for people to go out of doors, and the government does not have the RIGHT to do this. And, so far as the locals here, well, these are not "our" beaches and forests, these are parks that belong to everyone in California, and California specifically has a law that declares ALL ocean front public, a certain distance from high water line, etc... there is really no such thing as a private beach, but some defect ones as people can't get there, but if you were to walk there along the water line, of course you are on public property.
Anyway, I became very alarmed by the mandates. Meanwhile people like Chris Martenson was being very alarmist about R0 ( that is R naught) the idea that any help even with a substandard mask could give a smaller viral load and thus a less virulent course to your illness. This, while not his intent, of course does feed into masks are needed, and all those people believing that masks of some type help is then translated by government authorities to mandate it.
Anyway, I started to doubt the whole narrative, while initially starting to sew masks for the cause, I did not, the material for donation sat unused. I worried more about the mandates. I also had been gathering other data points into my mind. The initial data that the cruise ships, full of old couples sharing rooms, did not become deathtraps. The idiocy of putting COVID ill into nursing homes to spread the illness. It was easy to read and see that the initial testing on the vaccines were not testing for spread of the illness, the test and data never looked for that. But then we were soon being lied to about how they worked. etc...
SO, sometime by end of spring 2020 I decided that the whole thing really was overblown. By this time, everyone around me had pivoted and everything was closed down and no one would hang out, etc... do inperson things.
As time went on, I would have previous friends and family members say, but you were originally worried, and I tried to explain, but then I got new data, the new data showed overblown worries, so I stopped worrying about it. They of course stayed firn in their worry and insistence on mandates, vaccines, etc....
The point is, at this point, how do we guard against the psyop that was pulled on us ? It could happen again. Maybe not so soon via a virus, but other problems. I feel duped of course. Those were not leaked videos I now think, this was purposeful. To draw us in. People demanded masks and mandates. Yes, especially the teachers, it was all about protesting themselves, they were scared.
Life giving water from the sky, I am so thankful,
Atmospheric River
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-07 08:10 pm (UTC)There is indeed a sucker born every minutes, and I've apparently been born more than once.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-07 08:57 pm (UTC)#1. Whatever the MSM says, I figure, hmmm, suspicious.
#2. I will not have a television in my house. Right there, that eliminates most trouble.
#3 When anyone (relative, friend, neighbor) tells me they got some info from watching TV or reading, oh, say, the New York Times, I figure, hmmmm, suspicious.
#4. I avoid Twitter and other social media because they are gamed by algos.
#5. I do my own research, and then I decide what makes sense, what doesn't make sense, and what is still, oh well, a mystery.
#6. I am willing to accept that some things are mysteries to me, rather than leap to conclusions that are not actually warranted. This can feel uncomfortable. But it works splendidly well, I find.
#7. My ego is not in charge. This allows me to take in new information.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 07:22 am (UTC)I am relay beginning to think that many things are also presented to us on the internet, in what we feel are alternate non-MSM sources that may actually also be a narrative fed to us. I feel like this happened with COVID during the initial time and instead of being some "real" stuff "snuck out" by caring individuals was likely psyop propaganda.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-07 09:42 pm (UTC)If the long term effects of the vaccine are as terrible as they seem, right now with available data, then I doubt anything like this will be attempted again in our lifetime.
When you blow your hands off playing with fireworks, well, then you don't have hands left to play with fireworks.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 12:05 am (UTC)Fireworks cure the flu right? :-o
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 08:58 am (UTC)Tautology is
Something tautological.
Safe and effective.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 08:39 am (UTC)Personally, I still don't have such a deal with wearing a mask on occasion if in certain medical or social care settings. It is not all or nothing no matter how many people keep polarizing. Now I know more (shops low risk), I don't bother for the shops or such. Of course, the time you're most likely to catch something is at home or socializing with friends, when eating in company etc. - and I suspect no one's successfully eaten an evening meal while wearing an N95, though I'm sure someone on Twitter will tell us different!
As for the jabs, this Australian ABC report influenced me early on:
'We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult'
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616
...and on from this, I never really saw anything in their development that convinced me they were:
1) going to work well
2) safe
And I still don't, for all their cleverness.
You can guess where I stand on mandates etc.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 10:51 am (UTC)Just about anything from Pharma
GMOs and the green revolution
Fluoride in the water
FFs are evil
Green energy
EVs
Climate change
Misinformation, love those fact checkers
Ukraine
Taiwan
China
Iran
and last but not least good old Democracy.
They're about to find those WMDs in Iraq I hear.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 01:35 pm (UTC)Reminds me of Don MacLean's words:
"The players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed?
The day the music died."
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-08 05:12 pm (UTC)Living through 2020 and I still can't believe everything that happened. What a crazy year. And the ones that followed too.
Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-09 10:11 am (UTC)Re: Accidental help to the narrative
Date: 2022-12-09 04:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 06:15 pm (UTC)"The first hint the Crown might have trouble winning its case against a nightclub accused of posting videos on social media of patrons flouting COVID-19 restrictions came when the judge overseeing the proceedings asked what Facebook was.
Things just went downhill from there.
...
"There are so many holes in this case — it's like someone shot a shotgun," Adair said at one point.
"There's holes all over the place. As I say, it's not just one blast of a shotgun. It's multiple blasts."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-lambda-facebook-vaccine-tickets-1.6676478
I can't even quote anything else, because every single paragraph is so funny, I can only recommend reading it (on a dark, stormy night, to coworkers who liked health authority over-reach ;-)).
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Date: 2022-12-07 07:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 02:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 04:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 04:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-09 07:59 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 04:51 pm (UTC)*But I have no doubt that there's a mental note somewhere that I'm "not a team player."
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Date: 2022-12-07 07:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 09:19 pm (UTC)In the past week, "smart cities" has been a hot topic. Australian commentator, Maria Zeee (of Zeeemedia.com) was on fire with her impassioned podcast warning of the dangers of this new technology and detailing how far along things are in Australia (particularly in her native city of Melbourne). She has also posted the video of her recent interview with Australian Senator, Alex Antic. He has been very outspoken on this subject and recently gave an awesome speech in the Australian parliament.
Catherine Austin-Fitts, who I have mentioned in previous comments, has been warning of the coming "digital concentration camp" since at least the summer of 2021. She has an excellent two-part interview with the Dark Journalist. It can be found at DarkJournalist.com or on Bitchute. I think it may also be uploaded on her site, Solari.com.
This is another must-see interview. She offers some excellent observations about what is happening in our increasingly bizarre world and some insights as to why this is so. She also warns that peoples' refusal to face the truth of what is occurring is hastening the coming of this "slavery system".
Interestingly (but perhaps not surprisingly given her devout Christian beliefs), she absolutely subscribes to the demon hypothesis. She makes the point (and I agree 100%) that all that is happening cannot be ascribed to just a lust for money or a lust for power and control. The Powers that Be already have those things. She maintains there is something else going on behind the curtain.
Very interesting and very, very disturbing to those of us who value liberty and freedom.
Liam in Toronto
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Date: 2022-12-07 11:53 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 04:43 am (UTC)They will find a way around these types of barriers.
Why is Tesla so valuable an asset? It cannot be about their cars. The kindest thing that can be said about them is that they are a work in progress. No, it is all about their research into batteries. That is going to be the power source of the future (remember we are already in the Matrix). They won't be made of lithium because there isn't enough of that element in the world. That's just a stepping stone to something else. They are learning all the time - even if it is not always apparent to us little people.
The Smart City will be stopped only if we the people put a stop to it.
Liam in Toronto
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Date: 2022-12-10 12:37 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-10 04:18 pm (UTC)Rare earths are required for many electronics - but that is based on what is known NOW. In the future, rare earths (which aren't really that rare) may be supplanted by other materials (perhaps synthetics).
Knowledge is increasing all the time and on every front. I would never make prognostications based on current conditions.
Liam in Toronto
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Date: 2022-12-10 10:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-12 08:16 pm (UTC)If this is the case, then you're royally f***ed. Along with the rest of us. If you truly believe that technological progress is inevitable, get ready for absolute defeat. Throw in with the WEFfers while you still can.
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Date: 2022-12-08 01:45 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-08 01:30 am (UTC)My mother passed before about a year and half before covid. She had a deathbed vision of her neighborhood, an old garden commuter suburb near a major university, shall we say. She saw that after her passing it would be turned into an electronically surveilled fortress, for lack of a better word. At the time, that seemed to me really way out. Now, not at all.
Self-described Psychic Medium
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Date: 2022-12-08 09:47 am (UTC)Well, I exaggerate. But only a little.
I believe that, going forward, it's going to be crucial to stand up in local politics and insist on accountability-- both financial accuntability and accountability to civil rights law -- for citizens to show up and push back, and push back, and push back. I realize this is not always realistic, and where my mom lived, to misquote Rhett Butler, frankly, I don't give a dingdong. I have removed myself to another place accordingly.
Self-described Psychic Medium
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Date: 2022-12-08 09:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-09 03:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-10 11:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-07 10:01 pm (UTC)Talk about ageing. Fully grey now since last meeting beginning of covid. Even heavier.
Never mind the near-blindness over the summer in one eye, surgically repaired.
Phone conversation about his/her covid since vax: 'It could have been worse.'
At the cafe,
Interrupted by person sitting nearby who interjected self in conversation.
One of those very minor cultural figures who know everything about a couple of subjects.
My friend I believe thought it was a 'connection' showing him/her still to be a vital cultural creator.
So he/she and I never had a true conversation.
My friend due today for fifth (I think) shot.
Did I say anything? No.
Walking to car conversation became 'political' and he/she puffed up into a ball of fury.
I fizzled the fury away with a question that could only be answered by admitting something
about the government he/she so admires.
Our social encounter just felt stale and useless.I felt sick until I had a long nap today.
Am I an accomplice? No, I don't think so.
If the opportunity had developed organically I would have said, 'Why no by golly I'm not foxxed-up, here's why...'
Having been an evangelical Christian at one time
I realize what we are discussing are articles of faith.
Do I, out of the blue - unbidden, challenge one of his/her articles of faith?
I felt like I was dealing with a sickening blur. Not him/her so much as some reality.
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Date: 2022-12-08 01:38 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-12-09 10:09 am (UTC)People would repeat things to me that they heard off the TV. Verbatim. I could sometimes break through it, but not always, so I started withdrawing then. Then the full woke agenda took over and now it's next to impossible to talk with anyone.
It is all articles of faith, and allegiance.
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Date: 2022-12-13 03:16 pm (UTC)(O woe, woe to the impious!!)
Hence my handy-dandy all-purpose nothingburger albeit truthful reply to people who say crazy things, assuming I would agree with them but ready to burn me at the stake if I don't:
"Well, a lot of people would agree with you!"