Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 70
Dec. 6th, 2022 01:58 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-07 10:13 am (UTC)Grumbling Grumbledore, today channeling my inner interior decorator (because temples and altars can be so pretty)
More on the flu shots--
"Giving Up the Belief in Flu Shots
Truth Tellers Sound like Raving Lunatics"
by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
December 3, 2022
https://drtenpenny.substack.com/p/giving-up-the-belief-in-flu-shots
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A QUOTE FROM THAT (LONG) POST:
https://drtenpenny.substack.com/p/giving-up-the-belief-in-flu-shots
For Flu Shot Devotees
I know that most who are reading this column avoid flu shots like the plague. But I’m sure you have many friends and family members who rush out to get their flu shot each season like it was as good for them - and as harmless - as a B-12 shot.
If they listen to you at all, learning that flu shots, similar to the Covid shots offer risk but no benefit is disturbing, The reaction to this information is predictable. Many people will deny it. Then many more will become angry and call it ‘misinformation.’ Denial is most pervasive among doctors and public health officials who encourage everyone to “get your flu shot NOW!” despite convincing evidence that they don’t protect you from getting the flu.
Denials from friends and family may sound something like this:
“Well, the flu shot always protects me.”
“Shouldn’t some people get the flu shot?”
“My doctor would never recommend something that wasn’t beneficial or could be harmful. I really LIKE my doctor!”
Reversing the ingrained beliefs about the effectiveness of flu shots is difficult, even in light of solid evidence. Many will never give up their long-held belief that a flu shot protects them from the flu.
I’ll close today with two of my favorite quotes:
The first, by Dresden James, a pen name of the writer Donald James Wheal, said: ‘It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn’t flat.’
James is also noted for saying one of my other long time favorite quotes:
“A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”
Welcome to the Club of Raving Lunatics.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-07 07:40 pm (UTC)Not much to say to that, the goalposts just move from immunity to severity.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-07 10:08 pm (UTC)So basically the Fox is airbags that mitigate collision damage.
But don't airbags just inflate sometimes and cause serious damage?
There must be other analogies of 'protective devices' that backfire like the Fox does.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 07:17 am (UTC)After hearing this from my mom its been my go to when discussing in my circles. That the vaccines target variants so far gone, then the virus just evolves around whatever theoretical protection might be possible.
Like always putting your spare key under your doormat.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 12:53 am (UTC)I'm not sure what the repercussions of this will be; still mulling it over.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 07:11 am (UTC)Even a few years ago she discovered that statins were not what they seemed and pulled my dad off them. Generally they avoid all drugs when they can. But vaccines continue to squeak through.
The benefits are too vague I worry compared to a drug with semi instant benefit or harm.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 11:59 am (UTC)This is not an unreasonable long term repercussion to predict, I think.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-08 07:15 pm (UTC)When I explain to vex supporters that there is zero long term safety data, that most vaccine trials fail the long term study phase, and that while I acknowledge that VAERS data does not prove danger ("correlation doesn't prove causality"; which c-19 vex supporters never tire of repeating), it clearly suggests the possibility so strongly that the only responsible action is to regard the vex as causal until proven otherwise, suspend the program, and convincingly account for those suspicious deaths as being caused by something else if the vex program is really so crucial. That comment always draws blank if not appalled stares (as if I were insane), and the most coherent reply ever given to me was "You're the first person I've ever heard explain vaccine opposition that way."
Yeah, I guess I'm counted among the lunatics alright.
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-09 10:46 am (UTC)The other thing they don't do, is remember that doctors have always asked the question "what was happening in your life when X started? had anything changed that you are aware of?"
And if you said (say) "well, I had started taking that prescription Y..." the doctor is unlikely to immediately say, "correlation does not equal causation!" and make some "avert!" sign with their fingers. Instead they will probably make a note on your file saying "possibly allergic to or intolerant of prescription Y", and change your prescription.
What I've always found remarkable is the *departure* from standard clinical operating procedure in the case of vaccines...
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-09 05:31 pm (UTC)Any other ideas? I think we need a new meme here.
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-09 08:39 pm (UTC)Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 06:09 pm (UTC)[But]"causality causes correlation."
Bingo. Thank you for that.
Perhaps I would add: "Something caused that correlation, so why not take a peek behind the kimono, eh?"
or perhaps "Why not assume it's the vex until proven otherwise?"
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 09:21 pm (UTC)Listening to them chant "correlation does not imply causality" like a mantra makes it seem like they're trying to condition us to believe "correlation disproves causality". Wake up!
--Lunar Apprentice
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-11 09:43 am (UTC)The many possible interactions of correlation and non-correlation, causation and non-causation, and the need to pursue (and rule out or fail to rule out) ALL of them is lost on many people who can recite the mantra.
For example, it is also true (especially when looking for small effects in large samples) that "non-correlation does not prove non-causation". This is especially worth understanding when reading papers that are making a claim based entirely on the presence or absence of "statistical significance" (the Evidence Based Medicine way of talking about correlations and whether they can be assumed to be causative or not).
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-13 12:02 am (UTC)If a strong correlation shows up unexpectedly, causal or not, there is something missing in your model, cocked up in your calculations, or holey in your hypothesis.
If you don’t seek the cause of the correlation you are not doing science, you are practicing faith rites or idol worship. Scientists do NOT beg the question; they question everything. Especially, themselves.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 02:50 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 06:06 pm (UTC)The beauty here is that it tolerably often gets the other person to look into the research, and more than one person has said after doing that and seeing how flimsy the research is in various topics, more than one person has eventually changed their mind.
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 09:24 pm (UTC)You're advocating for people to take a novel drug? Go proof to me that it's safe - and good luck finding the data to support that!"
;-)
Milkyway
PS: I'm kinda sick of being wrongfully forced into the defensive, in case you couldn't tell... ;-)
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-11 11:25 am (UTC)The *marketee* of a product should never have to made an argument for not "buying". They are always and ever free to simply not buy.
It falls always and ever on the *marketer* to make a sufficiently persuasive case to result in a sale.
At least, so people who believe in "free markets" keep telling me... ;)
Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-13 05:45 pm (UTC)Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
Date: 2022-12-10 02:50 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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Date: 2022-12-10 05:48 pm (UTC)Re: The Club of Raving Lunatics
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