Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 4

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

On the more esoteric side of things, I wondered if we could discuss the nature of whatever appears to be behind/guiding the coronavirus, and affecting divinations regarding it?

Several possibilities for what I will refer to as The Entity spring to mind for me:

1. An unusually powerful demon, who has found a way to reach as many people as possible for possession vectors, facilitated through the vaccines and the media.

2. A god of some description, for reasons of its own. (Possibly a known god, possibly a new one)

3. The planet Pluto, in its last hurrah as it fades into obscurity.

4. The Earth itself, seeking to reduce our numbers now that we have fulfilled our duty of bringing enough CO2 into the atmosphere to stop the earth from entering a permanent freezing cycle.

5. A 'hive mind' of the virus itself.

6. An egregore created by humans due to us effectively wishing for a virus to reduce the population or get rid of 'undesirables' (via outgrouping, hexing and media portrayals of zombie viruses, etc)

7. Any combination of the above.

Any thoughts from anyone else?

Re: The Entity

[ecosophia]

I'm working on a specific hypothesis, which is different from any of these; I'll post something on the subject once I've firmed things up.

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

When do you think your hypothesis will be ready to be posted?

Re: The Entity

[upstateny]

I look forward to reading this. Thank you. Have wondered the same things myself.

Re: The Entity

[booklover1973]

I have since quite a while ago come to the conclusion that the way the pandemic plays out without much difference regardless of the measures taken, and the way the vaccies have or don't have adverse side effects depending on person and country point to there being a strong malefic component of the pandemic on some non-material plane (lower astral plane, demonic (submaterial) plane or something else).

Re: The Entity

[ecosophia]

Okay, I've had time to do the necessary study, and I have a speculative hypothesis about what's driving the coronavirus business on the metaphysical level.

I began with the intrusive voices that people have been reporting, trying to talk people into getting the vaccine. They're sly, they're able to project emotions as well as words, but they seem to be limited to trying to talk people into consenting. Of the various kinds of spirits out there, that's most typical of demons.

The heated, confused, unreasoning mood that has seized so many people just now, especially those who have gotten vaccinated, is also typically demonic. So is the combination of moral and intellectual collapse -- the fact that the ACLU is now claiming that forcing people to receive an experimental drug against their will is a pro-civil rights measure is a classic example. That kind of crazed non sequitur in defense of evil is the kind of thing you get from people under demonic influence. The question is how and why demons have gotten access to so many minds. Here again, I have a hypothesis.

The last decade and a half has seen a remarkable moral collapse in the Neopagan scene. People who used to insist on "an it harm none" and who insisted that the worship of demons has no place in Paganism are now promoting evil magic and demonolatry. That was already widespread before 2016, but in the wake of the 2016 election it's become all but universal in the Neopagan mainstream (though, thank the gods, not in Druidry, Heathenry, and the better grade of occultism). A lot of very grubby old manuals of demon summoning are back in circulation, and people are using them.

My suspicion is that in very late 2016 or very early 2017, right after Trump's election, a significant number of people sold their souls. I don't mean this as a metaphor. I'm suggesting that they used rituals to summon demons to help them stop Trump, and got the age-old response: Serve me and I will give you what you ask. What they asked, from context, was for Trump to be forced out of the White House; for the Democrats to regain control of both houses of Congress; and for "white privilege" to be destroyed -- I suspect this exact phrase was used. That's why so many of the rituals of the Magic Resistance called on demons by their traditional names (and why the promoters of those rituals got so brittle and evasive when that was brought up), and why so many things have gone crazy and weird since then.

If this is true, it's actually good news in a sense. The thing to keep in mind is that demons are clever and malicious but hopelessly unoriginal, and their actions are also subject to sharp restrictions imposed by the divine powers of the cosmos. Once the demons get as many people ensnared in their trap as they reasonably can, their efforts will shift to tormenting those victims with misery and despair; the breakdown of the mainstream coronavirus narrative, I think, marks the point at which they've begun to wind up the first half of their activities and pile into the second. Those of us who didn't fall for it will be of little interest once that shift is mostly complete; I expect to see the corporate media shift accordingly from demanding vaccine mandates to spreading the first unwelcome news that something is very, very wrong with the vaccines.

The second point to keep in mind is that there's traditionally a term of seven years to the benefits you get from selling your soul. If I'm right about when it happened, sometime in late 2023 or very early 2024, what happened to Doctor Faustus in Marlowe's play will be happening to the people responsible, at which point the whole thing will wind up. Keep in mind also that one of the consistent habits of demons is that they keep their promises to the letter, but give their dupes what the dupes ask for, not what they want. So they got Trump out of office, but many of his policies remain in place, and they got control of Congress, by so narrow a margin that their agenda remains stymied.

As for "white privilege," it's not the working class people that elite liberals love to hate who actually have that combination of light skin and privilege -- it's the elite liberals themselves. If something happens to them -- for example, if a large share of them are killed or incapacitated by a vaccine they all rushed out to take -- why, to a demon, that would count as destroying white privilege...

I want to stress finally that this is just a hypothesis, and a speculative one at that. I don't have firm evidence for it. All I can say is that it would explain the facts as I know them.

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

"So is the combination of moral and intellectual collapse -- the fact that the ACLU is now claiming that forcing people to receive an experimental drug against their will is a pro-civil rights measure is a classic example."

Or the way that so many people are shrieking that it's a violation of bodily autonomy to allow people not to get vaccinated...

Re: The Entity

[mollari]

This would also explain at least two other points:

a) Why so many people seem to have such a strong sense that it's better to die than to take the vaccines. If they are demonic, then taking them would have metaphysical effects (of course, the severity would depend on circumstances, but anyone who's not being physically held down has consented on some level).

b) Why of all developed nations Japan and South Korea (the only ones without a white majority) have the lowest vaccination rates.

Re: The Entity

[mollari]

Depending on exactly who was involved and how it was worded, this could also explain why Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are being hit so hard, and why Israel and the UK have such incredibly high vaccination rates. Given that one of the core elements of the anti-Trump rhetoric from the beginning was that he was compromised by Russia, I could see an argument for a lot of them asking the demons to help with "eliminating foreign interference with American politics". Given that Canada, Australia, the UK, New Zealand, and Israel all extensively lobby Washington and have lots of mechanisms for manipulating American politics, they affect US domestic politics much more than Russia does. Converting them into failed states unable to interfere with American politics because they're too busy trying to get law and order back at home would be keeping the letter of that promise...

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

a) Do you have a sense of the timeline for when we should expect the mainstream media to start talking about problems with the vaccines? Also, how sudden of a shift are you expecting?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

"The second point to keep in mind is that there's traditionally a term of seven years to the benefits you get from selling your soul. If I'm right about when it happened, sometime in late 2023 or very early 2024, what happened to Doctor Faustus in Marlowe's play will be happening to the people responsible, at which point the whole thing will wind up. Keep in mind also that one of the consistent habits of demons is that they keep their promises to the letter, but give their dupes what the dupes ask for, not what they want. So they got Trump out of office, but many of his policies remain in place, and they got control of Congress, by so narrow a margin that their agenda remains stymied."

Also, in all likelihood the deal never said that Trump needs to stay out of office. Which could make the 2024 election a very interesting one...

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

a) I wonder if they asked for Trump to be impeached, and that helps explain why his impeachment was so surreal.

b) In order to generate this kind of turmoil, who would need to have sold their souls? Or if enough ordinary people do it, would it be enough?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

Well this will certainly make a fascinating addendum to The King in Orange. What is sad is how unoriginal this is. As someone who apparently had a previous unfortunate experience in this realm, when I say sad I really mean it. I feel like I just crawled my way back to the surface, and seeing so many otherwise intelligent people willingly fling themselves into the tar pit is just awful.

Before this theory I just thought it was a typical mass psychosis and they were going to recycle like normal. Actually from the perspective of a population bottleneck it makes a sort of grim logic. There will be fewer chances for 9 billion human souls to evolve over the coming millennia, and the cabin stewardess just asked if anyone on the overbooked flight wants to volunteer their seats and wait for the next plane.

Re: The Entity

[high_speed_low_drag]

I would be absolutely fascinated to read more about this hypothesis! This raises many, many questions that I won't burden you with here, but I would love to hear more.

This would explain why my wife and I have had such repulsion to the vaccines from the very beginning while many we know have had such inexplicable, emotionally charged insistence on the necessity.

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

If this is the case, do you have any advise on protecting ourselves and our loved ones from a threat of this nature?

Any particular natural magic, banishings, or specific prayers that are most helpful/effective?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

A very interesting hypothesis.

This would be consistent with:
- My own divinations for the time scale. I expect 2022 and 2023 to be very unstable, and some very unexpected things to happen. In 2024, I sense some very, very dark energies, but different from the current ones, and quite suddenly massive improvements from 2025 on wards. The dark energies I'm getting for 2024 may very well be the backlash of the dark magic, that you are describing.
- My own divinations consistently tell me not to get up in the "fight", but to keep calm and reasonable, keep being respectful to all human souls, and as loving and forgive full as I possibly can. Each time when I find myself caught up with anger in my mind over the injustices and madness, I keep getting the message that that is not the path, that I should not indulge this, but keep trying to spread light, even in the face of injustices. What I know about demons is that fighting just makes them stronger, and entangles one into their webs, but that focusing on light and compassion are the best tools against them.
- The sheer madness of it all, that I keep being amazed by. Even if this virus was much more dangerous than it clearly is, then still that would not justify these lockdowns, injustices, vaccine mandates, the inflicted mental health problems, etc.
- My own scrying that keeps revealing that what we are in now, is that what many people right now really, really want, is to hate other people. If it hadn’t been for the virus, it would have been a war, or something else, that would have provided an excuse to hate fellow humans.

However, this is a very USA eccentric explanation, and does not really account for the fact that literally the whole world is caught up in this drama. In many countries, human rights are violated, possibly never to be restored. Yes, the USA has many allies, but surely, the people of, say Vietnam or Indonesia haven’t been holding magical rituals to get rid of Trump, or white privilege or American politics?
The Roman Catholic church also seems to have fully bought into the main stream narrative. If there are demonic/ magical forces at play, I would expect them to know how to handle that, or at least be resilient to them. You have written about how the Roman Catholic church had gotten caught up in a magical war regarding Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and although I do not doubt that the pagans may have been able to engage in some magic that was much too strong for them to handle, for the Roman Catholic church to be overpowered by such forces is quite another thing. (Regardless of their moral failings)
If the Roman Catholic church is somehow under the spell of demonic influence, however, would that explain why so many people in the more fringe parts of the internet keep insisting that there are vast networks of pedophiles to be uncovered now? Although I do not believe these stories of underground tunnels and satanic child abuse taking place, the stories keep popping up. Might that be some echo, some shadow of the real abuses that have actually been committed by priests and bishops?

If there is such a magical/ demonic presence behind this all, I suppose we could see regional differences in its presentation, either virus deaths or responses to the situation. And magical protection measures should actually make a difference. Are there countries that we would expect to be more resistant to such a spell, based on culture, national rituals, religion?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

"...their efforts will shift to tormenting those victims with misery and despair."
"...what happened to Doctor Faustus in Marlowe's play will be happening to the people responsible..."

A question about how this would work, traditionally. The "people responsible," who face Faustus' fate, would be those who summoned and bargained with the demons. What about those who didn't participate in those rituals and sell their souls but did consent to taking the vaccine, i.e. the majority of those vaccinated? Just collatoral in the demons' mechanism to "destroy white privilege"? Or, as it sounds like from this hypothesis, has their consenting to be vaccinated somehow implicated them in this deal? Have they too unwittingly consented to sell their souls? Or, is it that the vaccine, in addition to being the demons' mechanism for "destroying white privilege" and thereby collecting their promised souls, also serves to just create a whole lot of additional misery for those who take it, upon which demons can feed? Or am I missing something?

And, "...at which point the whole thing will wind up."

"The whole thing" being the craziness around the virus, I assume? Clearly the virus is here to stay, though it won't be so disruptive once the craziness passes. And the long-term health risks of the vaccine, whatever they turn out to be, are baked in for those who've had it.

Sorry for all the questions, I realize none of this is known yet. I'm just trying to grasp what this scenario would imply.

And thanks for sharing this. Much to think and pray on. I'd taken to calling the White House's chief medical advisor Dr. Fausti...that seems less cute now.

J.

Re: The Entity

[inavalon]

I’ve meditated on this and would like to expand on your hypothesis.

Demonic possession is clearly playing a significant part in this. Then again, it is a PAN-demic.

I think the great god Pan, at the very least, is involved.

However, I suggest that Pluto, the god of the underworld, the unconscious, the driving force of evolution, is the secret lord and instigator of this particular moment of madness in Earth’s history.

If you assign the quality of “overblown hype” to Pluto, consider our ongoing overreaction to the pandemic, and our obsessive attention to it, using primarily the internet -- clearly a magical spell that has been cast upon us using the mechanism of technology controlled by powerful (ahem) plutocrats. They have called up these demons that have us in their grip, and we have invited them in.

Like a motorist slowing to a crawl on the highway to gawk at a bloody car crash, I cannot look away from my screen. We endlessly discuss it, from all angles. We form up camps of opposing viewpoints, demonizing and scapegoating each other.

What larger forces are being served?

The virus is a swarm that is also intelligent. It is a force interacting with the human swarm using the “building blocks of life:” DNA, RNA, the chemical codes and processes that manifest as biological life.

Which human biological systems does this virus seem to attack and weaken? At first it was described as a respiratory syndrome, and increasingly it is understood to be a vascular illness. Breath and blood. Lungs and, significantly from a symbolic perspective, the heart.

Pluto is considered to rule destruction and creation, transformation, and evolution. His domain is the underworld, the source of minerals, stone, mud, blood…the building blocks of this material world. Richard Tarnas (Cosmos and Psyche) describes Pluto as "...an expression of titanic evolutionary power, depth and intensity." He also notes that “due to the hidden (subterranean, occult, underworld) nature of Pluto's influence, it is usually not accessible to conscious awareness at the time, but only in retrospect. Archetypally, all the planets seem to act dynamically and multidimensionally, evolving in portent and meaning with the participation (conscious or unconscious) of the observer.”

Jung, in the course of years-long wrestling with his inner daemon, pleaded:

“Stop provoking human frenzy, so that man rages against himself.”

It answered:

“That is why I separate you and put you opposite one another so that you will recognize each other.

Oh man, don’t forget your divine weapon, your wit.

You, the weakling, were given a dread venomous sting with which you could also lame gods.” ~Jung, The Black Books

Our “wit” is our intelligence. Breath and heart. The word, the verb, the active principle, is love.

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

Also yes an aquaintance who is typically reticent came at me the other day with a kind of intense assertiveness asking me if I was vacinnated and it really caught me unaware.

There is a large theory that a lot of this has been planned, maybe not well, and for years there has been vaccine neutral literature being removed from spaces and libraries. There are also strong links to many who benefit from it and the cohesion across countries does point to something centrally orchestrated. Maybe it is a matter of layers. A lot of it doesn't make sense unless there is an agenda.

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

What do demons get out of harassing and attacking us like this?

Re: The Entity

[mollari]

I just had a very creepy thought: if the Magic Resistance was in fact being driven by demonic forces, then I wonder if they intentionally drafted the workings for particular forms of blowback to occur, and so the fact the rituals are so poorly designed is a feature, not a bug from the perspective of the beings who created them...

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

If this is what happened, does it hold any metaphysical implications for the people who took the vaccines?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

"Once the demons get as many people ensnared in their trap as they reasonably can, their efforts will shift to tormenting those victims with misery and despair; the breakdown of the mainstream coronavirus narrative, I think, marks the point at which they've begun to wind up the first half of their activities and pile into the second. Those of us who didn't fall for it will be of little interest once that shift is mostly complete; I expect to see the corporate media shift accordingly from demanding vaccine mandates to spreading the first unwelcome news that something is very, very wrong with the vaccines."

Does this mean that those of us who chose not to get vaccinated can expect things to go back to something more normal sometime fairly soon?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

"My suspicion is that in very late 2016 or very early 2017, right after Trump's election, a significant number of people sold their souls. I don't mean this as a metaphor. I'm suggesting that they used rituals to summon demons to help them stop Trump, and got the age-old response: Serve me and I will give you what you ask. What they asked, from context, was for Trump to be forced out of the White House; for the Democrats to regain control of both houses of Congress; and for "white privilege" to be destroyed -- I suspect this exact phrase was used. That's why so many of the rituals of the Magic Resistance called on demons by their traditional names (and why the promoters of those rituals got so brittle and evasive when that was brought up), and why so many things have gone crazy and weird since then."

I have two questions on this:

1) When you say a "significant number", ballpark figure what are you saying? Hundreds, thousands, gods forbid more?

2) Once the Magic Resistance got going, how much do people need to know about what they're doing to sell their souls? Could it be done by repeatedly participating in Magic Resistance rituals?

Re: The Entity

[(Anonymous)]

Hello JMG

China has a large proportion of vaccinated people, but a very low infection rate. How does your hypothesis account for that?

SMJ