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bad newsThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I agree with your assessment here. The caveat with spike biotoxicity is that it is also a feature of SARS-CoV2 infection, and some analyses of clotting disorders, myocarditis, etc. have found a higher incidence associated with infection compared to vaccination.

Certainly a very large number of vaccine-associated injuries and deaths have been ignored, and boosters will only exacerbate this, but given that spike expression is (hopefully) transient I still view immunological risks (e.g. ADE, OAS) as a greater concern than direct spike protein biotoxicity.

If exposure to spike protein on its own causes major long-term effects then nearly everyone, whether vaccinated or infected or both, will likely be affected.

Certainly, in light of this knowledge, vaccines *not* based on an active form of spike protein would be preferable.

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Date: 2021-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mollari
I've realized all of us in Canada should expect to see a great deal of spectacularly self defeating policies implemented between now and our election. If the Covid-19 panic is being driven by the collapse of the established narratives (especially progress), as seems likely to me, then the specter of the PPC emerging as a major political force is going to increase that stress, and so increase the fear of Covid. Given that there are polls giving them double digit support in Ontario, Alberta, and BC, I think they are likely to emerge as a major force after this election.

This could easily turn into quite a vicious feedback loop: the more insane and draconian the policies the chattering classes push for protection from Covid, the more support will go to the PPC; and the better it looks like they're doing, the more terrified the chattering classes will become, and so the more draconian the policies they'll call for.

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Date: 2021-08-31 07:13 pm (UTC)
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Do you happen to have links to the polls showing the PPC with double-digit support? Thank you!

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Date: 2021-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)
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I think it was fairly early on in this series that the question of effects on karma came up. My recent experience points to a resounding no, at least for little old ladies who took the jab for god and country and because they were frightened. We lost my mother last Monday. She had taken the moderna product about 5 months earlier. Sparing the details, I was able to commune with Mom after she slipped into coma on Saturday. Her spirit, sans personality, clearly and powerfully conveyed great love, contentment and joy. There is much that I will probably write about those hours but for now I wanted to share my understanding that there do not appear to be any negative spiritual consequences to taking the moderna jab.
Gawain

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Gawain, I offer my condolences for your loss but am glad for both your sakes that you connected and that joy and love were so clearly communicated to you.

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Date: 2021-08-31 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kimberlysteele
Yesterday on Monday August 30, the Illinois's governor put out a new statewide mask mandate. Long story short is that people are ignoring it this time around. I have been to the veterinarian, a couple of restaurants, and several stores since Monday and not once have I been asked to cover my bare face. At IKEA it was 70% masks, at nearby Bass Pro it was more like 10% with several employees not wearing them. I live near Chicago, so it's fairly woke. As many of you know, I run a 4000 member group called Speakeasy Illinois devoted to resisting tyranny in a peaceful, positive fashion. People are sick of the masks. As the mask narrative erodes, so does the vaccine narrative.

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From: [personal profile] open_space
I've seen a similar thing here in Mexico. There is a stop light system to measure the amount of infection per city. My city is currently in yellow when it should be red according to the doctors I know, I don't mind at all but I find it interesting the narrative being turn upside down. I actually have taken more care of myself because it is still a disease, a not particularly lethal one, but one I wash my hands for when I get home. If they think it's the doom harbinger disease, and now it's spreading faster than before, following their narrative shouldn't they be more scared now?

That's a good indication they are not thinking with their heads but reacting mindlessly.

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Situation assessment

Date: 2021-08-31 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
To my mind, the most significant revelation in the past week was the scientific confirmation of the long-suspected truth that natural immunity is both far stronger (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full) and more durable (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1.full) than vaccine-induced immunity – at least when considering the Pfizer product after a period of six months. This has led to a growing push for booster shots as early as five months after the first injection, and has also led to some cracks appearing in the “everyone must get injected” narrative.


As far as I can tell we are not seeing evidence of ADE at a population scale at this time, and the net effect of the vaccines remains rather strongly protective against Covid-19 (albeit more against severe illness than against infection). Excess deaths now appearing in some countries may be attributable to adverse vaccine reactions or simply to the manifold stresses inherent in this time.


Unexpectedly rapid declines in immunity probably increase the overall risk of ADE, and frequent boosters increase the risk of Original Antigenic Sin (OAS), in which the immune system continues to produce the original antibodies rather than updating them upon exposure to variants or closely-related viruses. Any situation in which the primary immune defense – neutralizing antibodies – becomes compromised increases the odds of later enhanced disease.


SARS-CoV2 may be poised to completely evade vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies upon acquisition of very few additional mutations (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.22.457114v1), which could easily lead to vaccine-enhanced disease either through facilitating antibodies (ADE) or through OAS (with the risk here being greatly enhanced by our choice to use a single viral protein in vaccination). Furthermore, there is some level of antibody cross-reactivity between SARS-CoV2 and the four endemic human coronaviruses that cause colds, and it is possible that the goal of keeping SARS-CoV2 antibody titers high through repeated vaccination or vaccination-after-infection could have unanticipated and possibly ADE-like effects on the behavior of these viruses. It’s worth watching the medical literature for more case reports like this one: “Seasonal coronavirus pneumonia after SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccine: new frenemies?” (https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab421/6355378?)


Covid-19 infections have been rising and falling on a cycle with a period of ~130 days in the United States, and at this point I would bet on that pattern continuing more than on the consistently failed projections of epidemiological modeling. If that proceeds, then I would expect that the Delta wave is currently at its peak (falling in some states, still rising in others) and that we will see falling infection rates over the next 1-2 months. If that happens, then I would anticipate that the first stage of the coming crisis will be more social than medical in nature, with an escalating conflict between ratcheting vaccine mandates and those unwilling to accept the shots. This alone could easily lead to a shortage of health care workers and supply chain disruptions. When the next wave of Covid-19 begins – likely later in autumn – it is entirely possible that we could see more severe illness in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people due to ADE/OAS, and/or a wave of life-threatening colds primarily affecting vaccinated people. Such an outcome remains purely hypothetical, but from my perspective the likelihood seems to be increasing rather than decreasing as time passes and more evidence comes in.

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From: [personal profile] ahriman
As someone that was heavily involved in doing epidemiological modeling: I endorse this message ;)

If you want to know what is going to happen near you, US numbers on aggregate are not very useful: Look at what is happening in your state (and the patterns in the last year as seasonality matters). I would look more carefully at hospitalizations than cases (the definition of case is complicated).

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Tracking variant prevalence

Date: 2021-08-31 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is a useful site for tracking SARS-CoV2 variant prevalence around the US and the world.

https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=USA

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Date: 2021-09-01 03:05 am (UTC)
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Awesome site.

Looks like AY.4 is the new kid on the block, steppin' up and taking over.

It turns out to be a new flavor of Delta, and is AKA B.1.617.2.4.
(https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/new-delta-mutation-ay4-dominant-in-karnataka-scientists-1024341.html)

- Cicada Grove

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Date: 2021-08-31 06:35 pm (UTC)
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I wanted to share this article, as it's one of the more valuable things I've read this whole pandemic. Stephen Buhner, the herbalist and writer, is dying (not of Covid) and these are some of his reflections.

https://www.stephenharrodbuhner.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/covidgrief2.pdf

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Date: 2021-09-01 11:47 am (UTC)
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To my surprise, this essay turned out to be one of the wisest things I have read in the last decade or so. It's not just about grief and the current plague, but about the intricacies of being a human. I particularly appreciate his awareness of just how multiplex the thing we call "Self" actually is.

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Date: 2021-08-31 06:45 pm (UTC)
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I understanding banning discussion of an evil genius plot to create and deploy Covid as a means to...whatever.

But I hope you're not banning discussion of the role conspiracy has played in creating the landscape in which this is unfolding.

Regulatory capture and tech censorship both appear to contribute critically, and I don't see how either could operate without parties conspiring.

Thank you-

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I think this is a really good point. If you try through any major search engine to find anything impartial it's pretty much impossible.

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Date: 2021-08-31 06:56 pm (UTC)
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An on-the-ground update from the mid-Atlantic. With the return of in-person public schooling, I am finding that workplaces which planned on going back to in-person work are now hedging a bit and pushing the return date until later and later in the fall as there is concern that children with families will infect others.

My husband (vaxxed) today heard from a coworker who, though vaccinated, recently had a miserable case of COVID--supposedly much, much worse than the flu. The coworker is in his 40s and not overweight. Unfortunately, this means that while the workplace vaccination campaigns might be cooling down just a bit (for remote workers), my husband is now getting very worried because he believes that the vaccine will help me survive COVID even if it doesn't stop me from getting it. So there is an admission that it doesn't stop infection, but still the social pressure is really ramping up.

I imagine the start of school and rising case numbers among the vaccinated will ratchet up the pressure for others as well.

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Date: 2021-09-01 12:50 am (UTC)
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This has been the bizarre part for me.
“Oh breakthrough infections prove it’s not working.”
“Well you should still get it. Because it’s definitely working because they are saying it’s lessening the severity.”
“That’s not how vaccines are supposed to work.”
“You should still get it.”
“Why? To what point and purpose?

“Take a vaccine with horrible side effects for a disease that your not worried about.”

Why?
Because back to normal because safety!
But the breakthrough infections prove it doesn’t work so no safety!
But the disease becoming much less lethal equals safety. Ordinary viral evolution.
I’m in the interesting position of straddling two worlds.
Working class? Not worried.
Middle class? Terrified or pretending to be so in order to get to stay home. Especially liberals/leftists.

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Date: 2021-08-31 07:24 pm (UTC)
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Nobel Commentariat,
Our kitty transitioned this last Sunday. We will be going to the local orphanage (SSHS) after my chemo is over to see if a kitty would like to come home with us. My question is: does anyone know if cats are known carriers of covid. We are unvaxed.

Punky Little Kid

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Date: 2021-08-31 09:19 pm (UTC)
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My sympathy for your loss! Cats can be infected with covid, but it is believed that they are not good at spreading it, since the virus isn't nearly so well adapted to them. If you're immunocompromised you might avoid a lot of head bumping for the first couple of weeks your new kitty comes home, especially if she or anyone at the shelter seems at all snuffly, and wash after petting her before you touch your face.

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Looking to leave New Zealand

Date: 2021-08-31 07:25 pm (UTC)
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I posted this in the previous Covid thread last night, not realizing that a new one was coming up this morning. If our host finds it redundant, he can delete either of the posts. Thank you to those who have already responded.

I left the USA before the second Iraq War, and now may seem like a crazy time to come back but....

New Zealand is moving toward complete totalitarianism at breakneck speed. Recent quotes from the Prime Minster:

"We are your one source of truth."
"Do not talk to your neighbors."

We are limited to going outside within three miles of our house. We cannot travel anywhere. We cannot go in the ocean. We cannot walk in the forest. We cannot go to playgrounds, skate parks, cannot mountain bike, cannot open our businesses or enter any business other than a supermarket or gas station. We must wear a mask inside any indoor business or immediate face arrest. Businesses allowed to open must ensure that everyone scans before entering or face an immediate 1000 dollar fine. Scan ins on our homes have been mentioned (I'm not kidding). Police are actively wandering around to "educate" people. And now they are floating, and with this government floating means preparing, mandatory vaccination for the ENTIRE population. Before the lockdowns, articles like the one below came out, telling us the lockdowns would be needed eventually. The below is a warning:

Keep in mind that the South Island where I live has had zero, that is no, cases of Covid 19 for over a year and a half. Yet we've been locked down again for two weeks this time around, with at least one more to go, and the signs (see below) are ominous. I don't want to get stuck here as Australians have effectively been locked inside Australia for a year and a half.....


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300396262/covid19-what-are-the-limits-of-dissent-as-nation-vaccinates-and-prepares-to-open-up

I've owned an sports performance center for 13 years now. I have no debt, just two dogs, and whatever equipment I want to try and bring over. I've also got a house here that I can sell, and post graduate degrees in English and Education, and background in teaching. I'm in good health and don't mind physical labor. I'd like recommendations from anyone about where I might consider landing. I'm from Oregon originally, but I have no desire to return there based on what I see happening. I've been thinking Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire...Idaho if I returned to the West. I'm looking for a place to weather the storm that I think we all know is coming. I thought that place would be New Zealand, but I'm concerned about what I'm seeing and hearing. I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances, so that should factor into state recommendations.

Thank you!

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Date: 2021-08-31 07:26 pm (UTC)
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Nice map from ECDC (European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention) here:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement
The interesting question for me (living in Poland at the moment) is why so low? Not that I'm complaining. We have had several days in the last 2 weeks with no reported covid related deaths. New cases bounce around between 100-200 per day.

In the news however there is constant banging of the 4th wave drum. I hope they are wrong. I am not 'vaccinated' and don't plan to be. I live in a small village and am happy to spend my time working outside on my property. No neighbours closer than 500m.

Re: Eastern Europe Situation

Date: 2021-09-01 12:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Didn't most of Eastern Europe have a really big wave in late winter/early spring this year? I know Czechia and Hungary have some of the highest cumulative death rates in the world. My guess would be that you have a high level of population immunity relative to other parts of the world, but sometimes the virus just seems to do its own thing.

Mark L

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Date: 2021-08-31 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1432773748688658442

Does Dr Robert Malone that we should look up in November?

Vaccine numbers around the world

Date: 2021-08-31 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Does anyone have figures about how many people worldwide and also by country have gotten vaccinated?

Re: Vaccine numbers around the world

Date: 2021-08-31 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

39.5% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
5.29 billion doses have been administered globally

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Boosting immune system

Date: 2021-08-31 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What are the best ways to boost the immune system? They say having a good health immune system is the best way to deal with Covid and I also assume ADE. So just wondering what everyone’s ideas about this are?

Thanks

Re: Boosting immune system

Date: 2021-08-31 09:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gullindagan
This is not health advice, but personally, for myself

1. I get lots of sunlight, and when there's not sunlight, I supplement with vit D (doesn't have the extra etheric benefits of sunlight, but there is a high correspondance between vit D deficiency and upper respiratory infections)

2. I take medicinal mushrooms as tinctures and powders, especially reishi, chaga and red belted polypore. There are many others.

3. I take other herbs like astragalus, ashwaganda and tulsi routinely

4. I take herbs like raw garlic, boneset, spilanthes and Echinacea when I feel something disturbing my immune system.

5. I also get as much sleep as I feel I need, and eat healthy food including lots of leafy greens.

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Date: 2021-08-31 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tamanous2020
Just to make the ecosophian community aware, here's the Gab open job positions board for non vaccinated individuals:

https://gab.com/groups/49159

Tamanous

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Date: 2021-08-31 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] planetpriya
So, the main thing I really want to know is - is there an end in sight. I found myself hoping that the vaccine would be proved either useless or harmful and then I realised I don't really want that because obviously the harm but I wondered what else could stop the pressure and labelling I know people in both camps and really it is not two camps it is a wide spectrum of question and also just comformity. Many of those who I know who have done it don't seem to really understand the mechanisms of how it will work in the longer term.

Is there a change likely.

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Date: 2021-09-01 01:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Regardless of the biology involved, a story line which is clearly useful to power has come into existence. Having lived through the last 20 years that unspooled from the 911/wmd storyline, the reverberations of which have not ended but only intensified over time, I can easily see this also being a "war" that doesn't end.

Getting used to this v. capitulating

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In the end?

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Parts 7 and 8 of the IM Doc thread are up on my blog. All of December's have been posted and the two posts added today complete all of January 2021. Just click on my username to get there. Comments/discussion of all IM Doc-related posts is being rerouted to this thread.
From: (Anonymous)
The link in IM Doc's post that starts "It is the same molecule" has a broken link to the EVMS paper. Investigation on archive.org shows that the document was renamed/rerouted to "Marik_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf" and recommended visiting the FLCCC, and was eventually removed entirely.

Treatments Other than Vaccines

Date: 2021-08-31 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bit of good news for those who choose to avoid the vaccine, but are worried about a serious case of COVID:

https://scitechdaily.com/inescapable-covid-19-antibody-discovery-neutralizes-all-known-sars-cov-2-strains/

Seems like antibody treatments are progressing, which (I like to hope, maybe, maybe) could lessen the push for vaccines. Unfortunately these sorts of things are likely to be very unevenly distributed, but so long as the managerial class has access maybe they'll calm down a bit?

Re: Treatments Other than Vaccines

Date: 2021-09-01 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kayr
This story was aired on a local TV station not too long ago. While my circle of personal acquaintances isn't large, I do know one person who contracted COVID about 3 or 4 months after being vaccinated (I don't know which one, but it was a double dose one) and she was treated with monoclonal antibodies about three or four days after testing positive and she recovered quickly and seemingly with out ill effects from either the treatment or COVID.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50220584/covid-19-treatment-study-shows-encouraging-signs-as-utah-reports-2k-weekend-cases

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Date: 2021-08-31 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kashtan
The situation on Reddit right now is amusing. There's u sub r/nonewnormal that's been around for over a year that's for skeptics of the COVID response. It got enough attention that Reddit quarantined it a couple of weeks ago. Quarantining a sub puts some restrictions on it but doesn't really change it too much. Meanwhile, there's been more and more pressure from other subreddits to ban r/nonewnormal, all this acting as free publicity that's brought more people to r/nonewnormal. Now, a bizarre turn of events has a number of other subreddits, I think it's over a hundred at this point, going private as a "protest" and say they won't be public again until Reddit bans r/nonewnormal. In effect, they're cancelling themselves. So far at least, reddit hasn't caved and r/nonewnormal is still there, albeit quarantined.

I noticed that one of the subreddits that's cancelling themselves is r/startrek, and several other Star Trek related subs too. I can't say I'm surprised, it's just more evidence that religion of Progress is heavily intertwined with the COVID drama.

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Date: 2021-08-31 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] youngelephant
Heh this is a funny story. I'm glad I'm mostly off reddit.

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Date: 2021-08-31 09:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
I thought this was funny and has some good points and also a good way of tracking what the perspective is from another side:

https://videopress.com/v/p8r7ebpy?fbclid=IwAR0QxovRu1JdwTdsBOHBbxn9qx59fFbbAIwx5YGfU1s43Er96NIVFHmPA_E

100% vaccination is creepy

Date: 2021-08-31 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
New rules about unvaxxed people not being allowed to attend indoor gatherings doesn't make sense to me for this reason: previously, if a mixture of mainly vaxxed and some unvaxxed folks got together for, say, a concert, and a Covid outbreak ensued, everyone could blame the unvaxxed. Now though, if any Covid outbreaks occur from within the gated & entirely vaxxed population, what will the government say to defend their position that "vaccination is the best way to protect us"?

Why mandate mass vaccination and continued vaccination? Most people (according to the local statistics I have found, and talking with family, neighbours, etc.) are doubly vaxxed and happy to take a 3rd. Why do they need 100%?

It's hard not to be suspicious because what comes to mind is the scenario in which policy makers have had to make a lot of fast decisions and have just metaphorically turned around and realized, "Fudge. If anything we told people to do turns out to have negative consequences, my career if not more is over." Negative consequences such as looming ADE.

Think about it - under what scenarios would 100% vaccination or expulsion from society be required? If a bad case of ADE were on the horizon, what could politicians and vaccine companies do to protect themselves? Absolutely ensure that everyone who began vaccination continues to be vaccinated every 6 months with some sort of booster shot that is designed to outrun the mutations of the virus.

Re: 100% vaccination is creepy

Date: 2021-08-31 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's also a lot easier to argue it's just an unusually lethal strain of Covid-19 if there's no control group....

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Ivermectin

Date: 2021-08-31 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] team10tim
If anyone wants to get an Ivermectin prescription the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, FLCCC, will put you in touch with a doctor willing to give you one.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/

They have protocols for treatment that include ivermectin:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

And they will send you a prescription for Ivermectin. Even if you don't have Covid, although they prioritize the active Covid cases over the preppers. They do charge for the service.

Notes: CVS, Rite Aid, and several other pharmacies are refusing to fill the prescriptions. You might have to call around to get find one willing to fill it.

I'm reluctant to put this in, but since it has appeared in the comments previously, feed stores sell Ivermectin meant for livestock. If you decide to go down this road pay attention to the dose. It is body weight dependent and should be in the micrograms of drug to kilograms of body weight (mcg/kg). People have overdosed by doing this wrong.

Re: Ivermectin

Date: 2021-09-01 12:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi--
Just wanted to mention that I live in MA and have had no trouble with CVS filling my IVM scripts. I fill them for myself and for my mom. No issues whatsoever. Once or twice I've received partial fills while waiting for them to get more in stock, but I have not been hassled in any way. Hope it stays that way. Got our scripts through a telehealth doc mentioned on the FLCCC.net list. If you do not want to take IVM prophylactically, you still may wish to get a script filled in the event you have symptoms.

FLCCC.net also has other good reccos for Vits D and C, zinc, quercetin etc.

Hope everyone stays well.

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Date: 2021-08-31 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm posting just to thank JMG for hosting these forums, and the commentariat for all of their insights and information.

The picture at the top of this post hit home hard. For reasons that aren't worth going into in detail, I hit a low point today and broke down and cried, alone at home (my partner was at work), on and off for much of the day. I'm not usually like this, but I hit a low point and got overwhelmed with frustration, fear, loneliness, anger, and sadness.

I know all things pass, and this will too (one way or another). I've been doing a daily banishing ritual, and praying, and I try to avoid mainstream media as much as I can. But sometimes I still feel very alone in my rejection of the official narrative, and the gaslighting starts to get to me (I literally just hung up on a robo-call wanting to talk to me about "covid vaccine resources").

Reading this blog, and having a place to ask questions and discuss this matter rationally really has helped a great deal.

Don't worry - I will pull myself together, accept what I cannot change, and continue to try and focus on the positive and do the best I can. But today was a bad day, and I identified with that poor guy in the photo (yes I know it's staged, but it captured my mood).

Thanks again to you all, and especially JMG for all the work he puts into hosting.

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Date: 2021-08-31 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You are not alone. There are more of us than them. Their power is based on lies and the people who bought into those lies are in serious trouble. Personally I am trying to emotionally prepare myself for when the levee breaks and all that bottled up resentment comes pouring out. It's going to get ugly.

I'm depressed and worried of where this is taking us to

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Date: 2021-08-31 10:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lp9
Just received an update from the district. All high school athletes here will be required to vaccinate starting with the winter sports season. They are also negotiating with the teachers' union to require vaccination for all teachers and staff as well (eliminating the testing option for those who choose to be unvaccinated).
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