Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 4
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1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:00 pm (UTC)With that last in mind, I'd be very interested in what the biomedically informed among us think about two articles from medical journals that were cited in Karl Denninger's blog: this one and this one. Both seem to show that the spike protein being used by the vaccines can cause, all by itself, very serious health problems. Is that also your read on them?
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)Certainly a very large number of vaccine-associated injuries and deaths have been ignored, and boosters will only exacerbate this, but given that spike expression is (hopefully) transient I still view immunological risks (e.g. ADE, OAS) as a greater concern than direct spike protein biotoxicity.
If exposure to spike protein on its own causes major long-term effects then nearly everyone, whether vaccinated or infected or both, will likely be affected.
Certainly, in light of this knowledge, vaccines *not* based on an active form of spike protein would be preferable.
Mark L
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)This could easily turn into quite a vicious feedback loop: the more insane and draconian the policies the chattering classes push for protection from Covid, the more support will go to the PPC; and the better it looks like they're doing, the more terrified the chattering classes will become, and so the more draconian the policies they'll call for.
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:13 pm (UTC)Karma
Date: 2021-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)Gawain
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:23 pm (UTC)Re: Resisting Mask and Other Mandates
Date: 2021-08-31 07:15 pm (UTC)That's a good indication they are not thinking with their heads but reacting mindlessly.
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:23 pm (UTC)As far as I can tell we are not seeing evidence of ADE at a population scale at this time, and the net effect of the vaccines remains rather strongly protective against Covid-19 (albeit more against severe illness than against infection). Excess deaths now appearing in some countries may be attributable to adverse vaccine reactions or simply to the manifold stresses inherent in this time.
Unexpectedly rapid declines in immunity probably increase the overall risk of ADE, and frequent boosters increase the risk of Original Antigenic Sin (OAS), in which the immune system continues to produce the original antibodies rather than updating them upon exposure to variants or closely-related viruses. Any situation in which the primary immune defense – neutralizing antibodies – becomes compromised increases the odds of later enhanced disease.
SARS-CoV2 may be poised to completely evade vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies upon acquisition of very few additional mutations (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.22.457114v1), which could easily lead to vaccine-enhanced disease either through facilitating antibodies (ADE) or through OAS (with the risk here being greatly enhanced by our choice to use a single viral protein in vaccination). Furthermore, there is some level of antibody cross-reactivity between SARS-CoV2 and the four endemic human coronaviruses that cause colds, and it is possible that the goal of keeping SARS-CoV2 antibody titers high through repeated vaccination or vaccination-after-infection could have unanticipated and possibly ADE-like effects on the behavior of these viruses. It’s worth watching the medical literature for more case reports like this one: “Seasonal coronavirus pneumonia after SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccine: new frenemies?” (https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab421/6355378?)
Covid-19 infections have been rising and falling on a cycle with a period of ~130 days in the United States, and at this point I would bet on that pattern continuing more than on the consistently failed projections of epidemiological modeling. If that proceeds, then I would expect that the Delta wave is currently at its peak (falling in some states, still rising in others) and that we will see falling infection rates over the next 1-2 months. If that happens, then I would anticipate that the first stage of the coming crisis will be more social than medical in nature, with an escalating conflict between ratcheting vaccine mandates and those unwilling to accept the shots. This alone could easily lead to a shortage of health care workers and supply chain disruptions. When the next wave of Covid-19 begins – likely later in autumn – it is entirely possible that we could see more severe illness in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people due to ADE/OAS, and/or a wave of life-threatening colds primarily affecting vaccinated people. Such an outcome remains purely hypothetical, but from my perspective the likelihood seems to be increasing rather than decreasing as time passes and more evidence comes in.
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:27 pm (UTC)If you want to know what is going to happen near you, US numbers on aggregate are not very useful: Look at what is happening in your state (and the patterns in the last year as seasonality matters). I would look more carefully at hospitalizations than cases (the definition of case is complicated).
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Date: 2021-09-01 03:05 am (UTC)Looks like AY.4 is the new kid on the block, steppin' up and taking over.
It turns out to be a new flavor of Delta, and is AKA B.1.617.2.4.
(https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/new-delta-mutation-ay4-dominant-in-karnataka-scientists-1024341.html)
- Cicada Grove
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:45 pm (UTC)But I hope you're not banning discussion of the role conspiracy has played in creating the landscape in which this is unfolding.
Regulatory capture and tech censorship both appear to contribute critically, and I don't see how either could operate without parties conspiring.
Thank you-
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Date: 2021-08-31 06:56 pm (UTC)My husband (vaxxed) today heard from a coworker who, though vaccinated, recently had a miserable case of COVID--supposedly much, much worse than the flu. The coworker is in his 40s and not overweight. Unfortunately, this means that while the workplace vaccination campaigns might be cooling down just a bit (for remote workers), my husband is now getting very worried because he believes that the vaccine will help me survive COVID even if it doesn't stop me from getting it. So there is an admission that it doesn't stop infection, but still the social pressure is really ramping up.
I imagine the start of school and rising case numbers among the vaccinated will ratchet up the pressure for others as well.
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Date: 2021-09-01 12:50 am (UTC)“Oh breakthrough infections prove it’s not working.”
“Well you should still get it. Because it’s definitely working because they are saying it’s lessening the severity.”
“That’s not how vaccines are supposed to work.”
“You should still get it.”
“Why? To what point and purpose?
“Take a vaccine with horrible side effects for a disease that your not worried about.”
Why?
Because back to normal because safety!
But the breakthrough infections prove it doesn’t work so no safety!
But the disease becoming much less lethal equals safety. Ordinary viral evolution.
I’m in the interesting position of straddling two worlds.
Working class? Not worried.
Middle class? Terrified or pretending to be so in order to get to stay home. Especially liberals/leftists.
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:24 pm (UTC)Our kitty transitioned this last Sunday. We will be going to the local orphanage (SSHS) after my chemo is over to see if a kitty would like to come home with us. My question is: does anyone know if cats are known carriers of covid. We are unvaxed.
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Date: 2021-08-31 09:19 pm (UTC)Cats, Like Dogs
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:25 pm (UTC)I left the USA before the second Iraq War, and now may seem like a crazy time to come back but....
New Zealand is moving toward complete totalitarianism at breakneck speed. Recent quotes from the Prime Minster:
"We are your one source of truth."
"Do not talk to your neighbors."
We are limited to going outside within three miles of our house. We cannot travel anywhere. We cannot go in the ocean. We cannot walk in the forest. We cannot go to playgrounds, skate parks, cannot mountain bike, cannot open our businesses or enter any business other than a supermarket or gas station. We must wear a mask inside any indoor business or immediate face arrest. Businesses allowed to open must ensure that everyone scans before entering or face an immediate 1000 dollar fine. Scan ins on our homes have been mentioned (I'm not kidding). Police are actively wandering around to "educate" people. And now they are floating, and with this government floating means preparing, mandatory vaccination for the ENTIRE population. Before the lockdowns, articles like the one below came out, telling us the lockdowns would be needed eventually. The below is a warning:
Keep in mind that the South Island where I live has had zero, that is no, cases of Covid 19 for over a year and a half. Yet we've been locked down again for two weeks this time around, with at least one more to go, and the signs (see below) are ominous. I don't want to get stuck here as Australians have effectively been locked inside Australia for a year and a half.....
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300396262/covid19-what-are-the-limits-of-dissent-as-nation-vaccinates-and-prepares-to-open-up
I've owned an sports performance center for 13 years now. I have no debt, just two dogs, and whatever equipment I want to try and bring over. I've also got a house here that I can sell, and post graduate degrees in English and Education, and background in teaching. I'm in good health and don't mind physical labor. I'd like recommendations from anyone about where I might consider landing. I'm from Oregon originally, but I have no desire to return there based on what I see happening. I've been thinking Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire...Idaho if I returned to the West. I'm looking for a place to weather the storm that I think we all know is coming. I thought that place would be New Zealand, but I'm concerned about what I'm seeing and hearing. I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances, so that should factor into state recommendations.
Thank you!
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Date: 2021-08-31 08:20 pm (UTC)I currently live in Rhode Island, where the attitude toward the vaccines -- publicly proclaimed by local and state officials -- is "we really think you should get it, and we want to make sure that everyone who wants it can get it." If you go to work for the public schools here they'll want you to be vaccinated, but otherwise? Not so much. There are also plenty of jobs at the moment.
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:26 pm (UTC)https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement
The interesting question for me (living in Poland at the moment) is why so low? Not that I'm complaining. We have had several days in the last 2 weeks with no reported covid related deaths. New cases bounce around between 100-200 per day.
In the news however there is constant banging of the 4th wave drum. I hope they are wrong. I am not 'vaccinated' and don't plan to be. I live in a small village and am happy to spend my time working outside on my property. No neighbours closer than 500m.
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:28 pm (UTC)Does Dr Robert Malone that we should look up in November?
Vaccine numbers around the world
Date: 2021-08-31 07:32 pm (UTC)Re: Vaccine numbers around the world
Date: 2021-08-31 10:55 pm (UTC)39.5% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
5.29 billion doses have been administered globally
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:35 pm (UTC)Thanks
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Date: 2021-08-31 09:18 pm (UTC)1. I get lots of sunlight, and when there's not sunlight, I supplement with vit D (doesn't have the extra etheric benefits of sunlight, but there is a high correspondance between vit D deficiency and upper respiratory infections)
2. I take medicinal mushrooms as tinctures and powders, especially reishi, chaga and red belted polypore. There are many others.
3. I take other herbs like astragalus, ashwaganda and tulsi routinely
4. I take herbs like raw garlic, boneset, spilanthes and Echinacea when I feel something disturbing my immune system.
5. I also get as much sleep as I feel I need, and eat healthy food including lots of leafy greens.
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Date: 2021-08-31 07:50 pm (UTC)https://gab.com/groups/49159
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Date: 2021-08-31 08:01 pm (UTC)Is there a change likely.
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Date: 2021-09-01 01:21 am (UTC)Getting used to this v. capitulating
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Date: 2021-08-31 08:27 pm (UTC)https://scitechdaily.com/inescapable-covid-19-antibody-discovery-neutralizes-all-known-sars-cov-2-strains/
Seems like antibody treatments are progressing, which (I like to hope, maybe, maybe) could lessen the push for vaccines. Unfortunately these sorts of things are likely to be very unevenly distributed, but so long as the managerial class has access maybe they'll calm down a bit?
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Date: 2021-09-01 02:57 pm (UTC)https://www.ksl.com/article/50220584/covid-19-treatment-study-shows-encouraging-signs-as-utah-reports-2k-weekend-cases
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Date: 2021-08-31 08:59 pm (UTC)I noticed that one of the subreddits that's cancelling themselves is r/startrek, and several other Star Trek related subs too. I can't say I'm surprised, it's just more evidence that religion of Progress is heavily intertwined with the COVID drama.
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Date: 2021-08-31 09:10 pm (UTC)Why mandate mass vaccination and continued vaccination? Most people (according to the local statistics I have found, and talking with family, neighbours, etc.) are doubly vaxxed and happy to take a 3rd. Why do they need 100%?
It's hard not to be suspicious because what comes to mind is the scenario in which policy makers have had to make a lot of fast decisions and have just metaphorically turned around and realized, "Fudge. If anything we told people to do turns out to have negative consequences, my career if not more is over." Negative consequences such as looming ADE.
Think about it - under what scenarios would 100% vaccination or expulsion from society be required? If a bad case of ADE were on the horizon, what could politicians and vaccine companies do to protect themselves? Absolutely ensure that everyone who began vaccination continues to be vaccinated every 6 months with some sort of booster shot that is designed to outrun the mutations of the virus.
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Date: 2021-08-31 09:40 pm (UTC)https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/
They have protocols for treatment that include ivermectin:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/
And they will send you a prescription for Ivermectin. Even if you don't have Covid, although they prioritize the active Covid cases over the preppers. They do charge for the service.
Notes: CVS, Rite Aid, and several other pharmacies are refusing to fill the prescriptions. You might have to call around to get find one willing to fill it.
I'm reluctant to put this in, but since it has appeared in the comments previously, feed stores sell Ivermectin meant for livestock. If you decide to go down this road pay attention to the dose. It is body weight dependent and should be in the micrograms of drug to kilograms of body weight (mcg/kg). People have overdosed by doing this wrong.
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Date: 2021-09-01 12:54 am (UTC)Just wanted to mention that I live in MA and have had no trouble with CVS filling my IVM scripts. I fill them for myself and for my mom. No issues whatsoever. Once or twice I've received partial fills while waiting for them to get more in stock, but I have not been hassled in any way. Hope it stays that way. Got our scripts through a telehealth doc mentioned on the FLCCC.net list. If you do not want to take IVM prophylactically, you still may wish to get a script filled in the event you have symptoms.
FLCCC.net also has other good reccos for Vits D and C, zinc, quercetin etc.
Hope everyone stays well.
getting ivermectin outside USA
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Date: 2021-08-31 09:47 pm (UTC)The picture at the top of this post hit home hard. For reasons that aren't worth going into in detail, I hit a low point today and broke down and cried, alone at home (my partner was at work), on and off for much of the day. I'm not usually like this, but I hit a low point and got overwhelmed with frustration, fear, loneliness, anger, and sadness.
I know all things pass, and this will too (one way or another). I've been doing a daily banishing ritual, and praying, and I try to avoid mainstream media as much as I can. But sometimes I still feel very alone in my rejection of the official narrative, and the gaslighting starts to get to me (I literally just hung up on a robo-call wanting to talk to me about "covid vaccine resources").
Reading this blog, and having a place to ask questions and discuss this matter rationally really has helped a great deal.
Don't worry - I will pull myself together, accept what I cannot change, and continue to try and focus on the positive and do the best I can. But today was a bad day, and I identified with that poor guy in the photo (yes I know it's staged, but it captured my mood).
Thanks again to you all, and especially JMG for all the work he puts into hosting.
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Date: 2021-08-31 11:53 pm (UTC)I'm depressed and worried of where this is taking us to
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Date: 2021-08-31 10:36 pm (UTC)