Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 4
Aug. 31st, 2021 01:43 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-05 08:34 am (UTC)I respect you highly for your work as a spiritual leader, as well as an occult researcher and historian. While it would be very interesting (terrifying?) to accept this theory as plausible and see it play out, I simply cannot do so. To speak of a ephemeral, mutating, ill-defined evil brought into the world by unscrupulous idiots smacks too much of both absolving those (common man, not magical resistance) who are reacting unconscionably and enforcing conformity "They were spellbound, they had no control of what they did," and at the same time dismissing those who think differently as having broadly corrupted mental faculties.
We may already be in the midst of a massive psychotic break as Silvano Arieti describes them; those folks who cannot stand to be in their own head but are unable to engage in their common forms of escapism are fleeing the company of their Jungian shadow and latching onto the common narrative dispensed by their TV, supported not by rational thinking but rather by the fact that the few social contacts they have left were also offered that lifeline of psychotic insight, creating a web of consistency. Those who are comfortable in their own craniums, be they practiced meditators or just introverts, weren't feeling the same pressure until the recent arrival of government laws and employer mandates, but be wary that a counter-delusion may come ready to sweep away those folks critical of the past years' policies if they haven't rigidly established convictions to anchor them. The bandwagonning on this thread alone should be enough to give pause.
I have no intention of dismissing or disengaging (demonizing?) those who see the world differently than I, and I doubt that is your purpose here as well, but without clearly defining the demonic influence referenced there is a risk of any perceived slight or distressing thing or person or unmentionable being attributed to this phenomena. Furthermore, once the imp is out of the bag, how does one go about stuffing it back in? How can someone prove that the masses aren't under widespread demonic influence, would you suggest that we just wait the 4 years and hope the MR shuts up in the interim?
To my mind, all of this can be explained by a fear>isolation>fear death spiral, along with multitude vested interests in all angles working to keep the cycle going, profit motive and a pliant populous are just two that come to mind, all around very ugly - and very human - interactions.
Regardless, I had to throw my dissenting opinion in to break surface tension. I will be among the first to pick up A Voluntary Plague when it comes out, and I hope sincerely that you are prepared to guide your readership carefully along this tightrope.
Addie Ilios
PS: 2014 BBC article about isolation
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140514-how-extreme-isolation-warps-minds
Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-05 04:55 pm (UTC)Jung wrote a lot about the power that archetypes, once activated, have over the masses. We are witnessing that power at this moment in human history. This is the collective human shadow that is being met, much to our distress. An eventual rebirth is coming. The seeds are there in the darkness, awaiting the sun.
"It's been a long time coming,
Going to be a long time gone.
But you know, the darkest hour,
is always just before the dawn."
Crosby Stills & Nash, Long Time Coming
Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-05 06:25 pm (UTC)Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-05 06:40 pm (UTC)I tend toward the OP in doubting this hypothesis. Yet these are very weird times and obviously something has gone very wrong, and while I am not going to claim to understand all the ways in which that has happened, I think it clearly bleeds into the spiritual level in some manner or another. My tendency is to think it's more about the complete breakdown of our modern worldview and the myth of progress, all at a time when so many of us are under incredible stress and disruption.
All that said, I won't completely rule this out, even though it doesn't feel right to me. As you note, we shall see. I certainly hope you are wrong, as you do yourself!
I did have a question, though, and I hope this does not come across rudely. Your hypothesis seems to violate rule #2 of these Covid posts to a T--with possibly the major exception that you may keep rule #2 restricted to human actions, and thus the actions of demons fall outside its purview. That is part of what surprises me about this hypothesis, as well, is that it seems to counter so many of your oft-stated views about the nature of the world. You even write that in these posts, "What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades." This hypothesis seems to veer sharply away from that statement, though I suppose it could be seen as demons simply making use of that arrogance, incompetence, and corruption for their own use. But again, it feels odd to see you hypothesizing that there's some vastly powerful hand behind all this, pulling so many strings and in incredible control of not just our country but much of the world, when that seems so at odd with your otherwise consistent statements that such ideas spring more from our desire that someone be in control rather than the universe ultimately being largely disinterested in our well being.
Is this just a matter of you seeing demons as capable of the kind of vast control and conspiracy that humans are not or am I misreading this in some way?
Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-05 06:51 pm (UTC)Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-06 12:00 am (UTC)I have seen (and had before) that you put this forward as merely speculation, and yet without putting forth conditions for falsification I am concerned that others who might hold you in high esteem are ready to run with it. "Unpleasant neighbor/family member/dog must be under sway as I, despite not living in their minds, cannot fathom their actions and reactions."
Criterium for falsification could greatly control such hysteria, but your post included no such controls, and as such may be mentally and psychically dangerous.
Furthermore, I personally do not grasp the necessity of including demonic influence if they are just working through human foibles. It looks superfluous at best, and risky at worst. Does discerning the presence of an overarching demonic influence serve any purpose at all, that could be worth entrenching the us-v-them narrative? What aspects of the insanity cannot be explained in the material sphere?
For anyone else who'd like to free up some more time for thought, I heard Antony Flew and John Frame know some gardeners...
Addie Ilios
PS: To answer another poster, no, I am not sympathetic to the opening argument as presented; however I have had -zero- interaction with MR or daemonolatry and am barely stumbling through searches at the moment. Mr. Greer indicated he had many notes, and when the full research is presented I am eager to look over and cross reference and reconsider in light of new evidence.
Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-06 10:35 pm (UTC)With a situation this bad, what difference does it make if occultists are looking for evidence and testing hypotheses of corresponding phenomena on the invisible realms? It's not like there is a wizard militia ready to deploy around the world with magic wands and kalashnikovs on a zombie/demon slaying inquisition.
If anything the message here is and has always been "collapse now and avoid the rush"
Re: NonEntity
Date: 2021-09-11 12:51 pm (UTC)I have wondered who or what can define such an archetype for the capture of the world. I am insufficiently educated in these matters to speculate, but surely there is some embodiment of the modern fascination with technology and continual growth that can cast the web clouding minds.