ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153

We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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From: (Anonymous)

From social media to mainstream media, I see more and more comments about how lots of people are sick right now:

https://www.scotsman.com/health/why-everyone-is-so-sick-right-now-as-covid-19-figures-published-weekly-again-by-scotlands-health-watchdog-4690971
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-14/why-is-everyone-getting-sick-behind-the-global-rise-in-rsv-flu-measles
https://nitter.poast.org/_/status/1810074272729330151
https://old.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/1durqbc/anyone_else_got_this_flu/

The Bloomberg piece is perhaps most indicative of what's going on:

"...data collected from more than 60 organizations and public health agencies shows that 44 countries and territories have reported at least one infectious disease resurgence that’s at least ten times worse than the pre-pandemic baseline. Whooping cough, or pertussis, cases have climbed by 45 times in China in the first four months compared with last year."

It's not just covid, it's pretty much anything that makes humans sick, and it's not just in the vexxed part of the population, as my own experience shows, as well as others commenting on the X thread. I'm not sure I buy the shedding idea, as I've seen no real research in that direction, so if we make the assumption that shedding isn't the cause, then does anyone have any thoughts as to just what the heck is going on? I could understand if this were a side effect of the gene shots, given everything that's wrong with them, but as the wave of sickness is affecting the unshotted too, it's not that.

I have seen 2 theories; the gene shots have caused the vexxed to respond to covid with the IgG4 antibody response, i.e. their immune systems are tolerating the virus rather than fighting it, and they are thus all spike protein factories, causing many covid infections. Equally this could be true of people that have had covid 3 or more times, that the disease itself is causing this IgG4 response. However, neither of these explanations make sense in light of the fact that it's not just a surge in covid happening right now, it's a surge in disease generally. It appears as if people's immune systems are not working properly, but I'm not aware of research showing that covid is damaging people's immune systems in general. Have I just missed that research? I'm curious to hear what people think is causing this surge in so many different diseases, and how we might respond (protect ourselves) from that.

From:

ecosophia

I think I can propose a hypothesis that can explain what you're seeing: immune system damage from vaccines causing a broad general decline in population immunity, aka herd immunity. Wikipedia has a decent article on the basic concept:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Like most accounts of population immunity, this one focuses on the effect of vaccinations and/or naturally acquired immunity on specific organisms. Think about the implications more generally, though. Under most circumstances, one of the core challenges faced by transmissible pathogens is simply a matter of getting to vulnerable people -- at each step in the chain of transmission, they have to deal with somebody else's immune system, and if most people in society have immune systems in decent condition, that's a difficult wall for them to climb.

Now consider what happens when more than half of the population has taken a pharmaceutical that disables their immune systems. All of a sudden that wall falls flat. When a pathogen leaps to some new person, odds are it's someone whose immune system won't react, so the pathogen has no trouble at all establishing itself in a new host, reproducing freely, and leaping from there. Even if the person's symptoms remain subclinical -- and with their immune system partly disabled, this is likely -- they'll be shedding bouncing baby pathogens wherever they go. So those of us with healthy immune systems have to deal with a drastic increase in pathogen load in our environments, and thus we get sick more often.

Meanwhile those whose immune systems have been damaged are also getting sick -- though they may be much sicker than they appear, since so much of what we consider "illness" is in fact immune response. If there is in fact a general decrease in immune function due to the vaccines, and this is permitting a wide range of opportunistic organisms to flourish to one degree or another in the vaccinated, a great many people could be seriously -- even fatally -- ill without showing symptoms other than tiredness, confusion, and malaise.

All this brings to mind a hideous comparison. One of the things that makes Yersinia pestis, the organism that causes bubonic plague, so deadly is that it can suppress the human inflammation response. Different strains of Y. pestis vary in their ability to do this. I read an article years back -- unfortunately I have been unable to find it again just now -- arguing that the strain that caused the Black Death of 1345-1349 was very, very good at this, so people didn't feel ill until very late in the course of the disease; this permitted them to spread the plague freely and then suddenly drop dead.

It might be worth considering some similar mechanism as a potential cause of the sudden deaths among vaccinated people that are continuing at present, long after the spike proteins should have run their course...