Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153
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ecosophia
We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2024-07-09 03:52 pm (UTC)https://www.scotsman.com/health/why-everyone-is-so-sick-right-now-as-covid-19-figures-published-weekly-again-by-scotlands-health-watchdog-4690971
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-14/why-is-everyone-getting-sick-behind-the-global-rise-in-rsv-flu-measles
https://nitter.poast.org/_/status/1810074272729330151
https://old.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/1durqbc/anyone_else_got_this_flu/
The Bloomberg piece is perhaps most indicative of what's going on:
"...data collected from more than 60 organizations and public health agencies shows that 44 countries and territories have reported at least one infectious disease resurgence that’s at least ten times worse than the pre-pandemic baseline. Whooping cough, or pertussis, cases have climbed by 45 times in China in the first four months compared with last year."
It's not just covid, it's pretty much anything that makes humans sick, and it's not just in the vexxed part of the population, as my own experience shows, as well as others commenting on the X thread. I'm not sure I buy the shedding idea, as I've seen no real research in that direction, so if we make the assumption that shedding isn't the cause, then does anyone have any thoughts as to just what the heck is going on? I could understand if this were a side effect of the gene shots, given everything that's wrong with them, but as the wave of sickness is affecting the unshotted too, it's not that.
I have seen 2 theories; the gene shots have caused the vexxed to respond to covid with the IgG4 antibody response, i.e. their immune systems are tolerating the virus rather than fighting it, and they are thus all spike protein factories, causing many covid infections. Equally this could be true of people that have had covid 3 or more times, that the disease itself is causing this IgG4 response. However, neither of these explanations make sense in light of the fact that it's not just a surge in covid happening right now, it's a surge in disease generally. It appears as if people's immune systems are not working properly, but I'm not aware of research showing that covid is damaging people's immune systems in general. Have I just missed that research? I'm curious to hear what people think is causing this surge in so many different diseases, and how we might respond (protect ourselves) from that.
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Date: 2024-07-09 04:00 pm (UTC)Server question follow up
Date: 2024-07-09 04:02 pm (UTC)OP here:
Just wanted to update you (without posting on the now-expired Magic Monday thread)
Ecosophia.net is now pulling up normally for me.
(I am located in Arkansas, in case that happens to be pertinent after the fact)
Thank you for checking in with your internet person!
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Date: 2024-07-09 05:40 pm (UTC)Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 06:07 pm (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
Like most accounts of population immunity, this one focuses on the effect of vaccinations and/or naturally acquired immunity on specific organisms. Think about the implications more generally, though. Under most circumstances, one of the core challenges faced by transmissible pathogens is simply a matter of getting to vulnerable people -- at each step in the chain of transmission, they have to deal with somebody else's immune system, and if most people in society have immune systems in decent condition, that's a difficult wall for them to climb.
Now consider what happens when more than half of the population has taken a pharmaceutical that disables their immune systems. All of a sudden that wall falls flat. When a pathogen leaps to some new person, odds are it's someone whose immune system won't react, so the pathogen has no trouble at all establishing itself in a new host, reproducing freely, and leaping from there. Even if the person's symptoms remain subclinical -- and with their immune system partly disabled, this is likely -- they'll be shedding bouncing baby pathogens wherever they go. So those of us with healthy immune systems have to deal with a drastic increase in pathogen load in our environments, and thus we get sick more often.
Meanwhile those whose immune systems have been damaged are also getting sick -- though they may be much sicker than they appear, since so much of what we consider "illness" is in fact immune response. If there is in fact a general decrease in immune function due to the vaccines, and this is permitting a wide range of opportunistic organisms to flourish to one degree or another in the vaccinated, a great many people could be seriously -- even fatally -- ill without showing symptoms other than tiredness, confusion, and malaise.
All this brings to mind a hideous comparison. One of the things that makes Yersinia pestis, the organism that causes bubonic plague, so deadly is that it can suppress the human inflammation response. Different strains of Y. pestis vary in their ability to do this. I read an article years back -- unfortunately I have been unable to find it again just now -- arguing that the strain that caused the Black Death of 1345-1349 was very, very good at this, so people didn't feel ill until very late in the course of the disease; this permitted them to spread the plague freely and then suddenly drop dead.
It might be worth considering some similar mechanism as a potential cause of the sudden deaths among vaccinated people that are continuing at present, long after the spike proteins should have run their course...
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Date: 2024-07-09 06:16 pm (UTC)https://www.patreon.com/posts/mars-uranus-2024-107767498?utm_campaign=free_member_new_post&utm_source=post_link&utm_id=3d941603-9200-43f0-9872-3284c93f7e98&utm_medium=email
In synchromisticism Algol is associated with Medusa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q-emXrJVhY
And someone imolated himself during Trump process besides it....
Strange associations...
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Date: 2024-07-09 06:26 pm (UTC)I've suspected that besides the pathogenic shedding JMG describes below, there is also an etheric "shedding" --we take up on the people around us all the time just as we breath each others air. You don't need to be inoculated to pick up the diseases that spread and proliferate in an immunocompromised herd.. I'll put it very crassly, but if people around you are sweaty and haven't taken a shower, the space you share with them will also smell, even if you just took a shower.
Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 06:38 pm (UTC)I guess all we can do about such a situation is to do whatever we can to help our own immune systems fight off the ever-increasing waves of pathogens. I have read that a few different mushrooms are good here, probably most researched being turkey tails (trametes versicolor), such that it's even part of some cancer therapies in Asia, intended to support people whose immune systems have been damaged by chemotherapy. Reishi is supposed to be good here, too. claire-58 has some good posts on this topic, too:
https://claire-58.dreamwidth.org/5889.html
May the gods help us if this immune system damage theory is what is really going on. I'd imagine these waves of sickness would look more exponential than linear, and trying to imagine how that future is going to look...
Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 06:48 pm (UTC)Thank you.
The bit about the plague is truly frightening though. Yikes!
Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 07:17 pm (UTC)One way or another, my working guess at this point -- and it's one I'm implementing in my own life -- is that the best things any of us can do for ourselves is to boost our own general health and our immune systems specifically, and consider getting a little less exposure to crowds, where the swamp of pathogens is likely to be worst. Claire-58's posts are good solid resources for this.
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Date: 2024-07-09 07:20 pm (UTC)I wonder. Does anyone have access to the exact time and date of the first report of the first known case of Covid in Wuhan? It might be possible to erect and interpret a chart for that, and use it as -- in effect -- the natal chart of the entire Covid business. It would then be possible to compare that chart to other charts, like the Mars-Uranus-Algol conjunction, to see if they make aspects to the original chart.
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Date: 2024-07-09 07:30 pm (UTC)Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 07:45 pm (UTC)Despite my hanging around on obscure blogs such as this, I guess you could call me magic-curious, rather than magic-practicing, but I confess that what's been going on lately has got me thinking that I'll do anything to protect the health of my family, which makes me think of the oft-mentioned here sphere of protection. Would I be right in assuming that such a practice could help protect the health of my family, as well as - I guess, our spiritual wellbeing? With apologies as maybe this belongs on the MM thread.
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Date: 2024-07-09 07:54 pm (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_2019#1_December
But on 11 February 2020, the WHO named the disease COVID-19. And on 11 March 2020 WHO declared COVID a pandemic.
WHO headquarters are located in Geneva, Switzerland.
I think all dates are important, IMHO 11 February and 11 March 2020 are more important to the BOVID craze than the real disease behind...
C19 timeline
Date: 2024-07-09 07:58 pm (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic
Not at all sure whether Wikipedia is the best arbiter of anything, but an article in the Wall Street Journal (behind a paywall) that they reference indicates the first case was "on or about November 17, 2019". Guess you could just pick noon on the 17th and see what happens if it's not super time consuming to construct the chart and do a cursory analysis to see if anything jumps out at you.
MJ from MA
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Date: 2024-07-09 08:09 pm (UTC)"Unconfirmed reports of early cases
A September 2020 review noted the hypothetical possibility that the COVID-19 infection had already spread to Europe in 2019 by presumptive evidences including pneumonia case numbers and radiology in France and Italy in November and December. However, a subsequent retrospective surveillance report determined there was no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 circulation in Rome (Italy) during this period.
Some medical and environmental analyses in Italy, France, and the US found results which suggested the virus was circulating prior to December 2019 by several weeks. A WHO report states: "the study findings were not confirmed, methods used were not standardized, and serological assays may suffer from non-specific signals". It urges further investigation of these potential early events."
So that all seems a bit questionable; patient zero, according to wiki's timeline again, was December 1:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_2019#1_December
Despite the possibility that the disease was circulating before this, December 1 seems a reasonable date to me to cast a chart for, as the disease was early on referred to as the "WuFlu", so I think to say it had at least its symbolic, and possibly actual, beginning in Wuhan on Dec 1 2019 seems, um, reasonable.
Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 08:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-07-09 08:42 pm (UTC)中国政府决定隐藏这些文件。
Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 08:48 pm (UTC)And it doesn't explain increased prevalence of a bunch of other bugs. Part of that may be just a statistical artifact of counting the waves (perhaps more than ever before) but not the troughs. (Are any diseases lower in any countries now than in the average of the 2010s? Were there any incidents in 2010 in which any bug in any country had a case count exceeding 10 times the baseline, and how many?) But another part may still be the lingering effects of all that social distancing. Organizations and people didn't go back to normal behavior for two, sometimes three years after lockdowns ended. That's a long time to go without being exposed to a rhinovirus, or an adenovirus, or influenza, or whatever, and the better a job you did, deliberately or by happenstance, of avoiding any viral exposures whatsoever, the more likely it is that you'll be guaranteed an illness when you finally do get exposed. Most of those pathogens were reduced to a very low level by the shutdowns and may have taken a while to build back up so that everyone's seeing them again. I've seen no reason to presume that the jabs should impair response to bugs other than covid.*
*To a greater extent than conventional vaccines do. There is some evidence that getting flu shots slightly increases your risk of getting a non-flu respiratory illness in the following season.
Regarding persistent elevation in sudden deaths, here I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Autoimmune myocarditis is an inflammatory condition, and I don't know of any other condition whereby lack of inflammation would cause sudden death. If sudden death were found to be more common in vaxxed people who haven't been vaxxed recently, a more likely explanation is myocardial scarring, from prior cardiac damage, leading over time to the development of ventricular fibrillation. This isn't a common outcome of such scarring, but then, it isn't EVERYONE dropping dead, either. But, there are still people getting booster number 8 or whatever it is, hard to believe as the better-informed may find that. Enough to account for the remaining elevation in sudden deaths relative to 2019? Dunno.
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Date: 2024-07-09 08:53 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2024-07-09 08:56 pm (UTC)Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 08:57 pm (UTC)(1) Normally healthy people being around sick people will increase the odds of the healthy catching the illness. I think this is basically John's point. If you've raised children you've likely experienced this, in spades. At least I have. Infants get ill almost continually as their immune systems are undeveloped. Parents are naturally around the infants and the parents tend to catch many more, and more bizarre, illnesses than they would otherwise.
(2) The governments of the world, and the media supposedly charged with sharing quality facts, demonstrated a remarkable inability to collect good data, much less to question and analyze it, throughout the Covid period. Why should we presume they've "magically" regained their ability to collect and analyze data now? Didn't Briben's recent unveil demonstrate fairly convincingly that the medical and journalistic endeavors are still brain dead with regard to these basics?
So, all we can do is try to go forward with personal experience, and stories, and stories of stories, since Covid "mysteriously" affected the ability of "scientists" and "journalists" to think competently.
I'm not saying your personal experience isn't valid, but it doesn't provide enough data -- in particular -- to separate the illness rate of the Vexed from the Unvexed. So, healthy people may, indeed, also be experiencing more illness ... but maybe not at the same rates, nor degree of severity, as the Vexed.
(3) Depression lowers immune response, quite significantly. We live in depressing times. Indeed, factoring in that the inflation rate has unambiguously been way above the supposed "growth of GDP" since, at least 2020, we are actually in a prolonged, and rather bad, economic Recession.
Indeed, I think it would clearly be in what people 100 years ago would clearly recognize and label as an Economic DEPRESSION. How nice that our Government and their apparatchiks have made it impossible to ever again have an Economic Depression, by "disappearing" the definition of the term. Just go ahead and try to find a clear definition and distinction, to see what I mean.
-gnat
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Date: 2024-07-09 08:57 pm (UTC)Re: Population Immunity
Date: 2024-07-09 09:02 pm (UTC)I'm entirely willing to see this hypothesis disproved, but please do try to address what I'm actually saying!
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Date: 2024-07-09 09:11 pm (UTC)That was the Fort Detrick source theory... That it first went in US undetected as the vape illness, glass lung and a lot of deaths in nursing homes, in June, July, August 2019, but most of the news were scrapped.
The theory started from this report from August 2019 by the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html