Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 79
Feb. 7th, 2023 12:15 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Time to spend more time on inner work
Date: 2023-02-07 06:19 pm (UTC)I have rarely commented, but have read most of the entries since these started 79 weeks ago. They have been a great help to me through lonely and anxious times.
While excellent, I find this forum takes a fair amount of time to read and I now sense I need to redirect that time towards doing inner work. I feel it important to say thank you for all involved this last year and a half or so.
I will continue to pray for all those on Tunesmith's weekly prayer lists and JMG posts and maybe new books.
With love and the greatest of prayers for all your journeys ahead.
Nightwatchwaits
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Date: 2023-02-07 07:31 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/OV_Matter/status/1622183105233821698
https://www.pmcpa.org.uk/cases/completed-cases/auth35911221-a-complaint-on-behalf-of-usforthem-v-pfizer/#:~:text=COMPLAINANT%20v%20PFIZER
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Date: 2023-02-07 07:50 pm (UTC)Last year on February 3 my 15 year old grand daughter came down with Covid. It was severe enough it put her in bed for two days. The next day, February 4, my son came down with Covid, and it put him in bed for more days.
The Covid did not affect my wife and I so quickly, and we thought we had escaped. But on February 13 my wife came down with Covid, and it put her in bed for 3 or 4 days. And finally on February 20, I came down with Covid, it more or less made me feel as bad as the average cold. It did not put me in bed, I did not feel like being in bed, and except for the annoyance of not being 100% did not interfere with my life.
I note here that all of us were living together in less than 700 square foot apartment, with one bathroom. It was impossible not to come in contact with the infected persons. I assume my daughter and son came in contact first as they were going out on a daily basis, and my wife and I, avoiding Covid were not.
It took roughly ten days for my wife to come down with the Covid, after the Covid first appeared in my granddaughter. It took seventeen days for me to come down with the Covid after the Covid first appeared in my grand daughter. I imagine in all of these cases we were infected for at least a few days, perhaps even a week to ten days before we showed symptoms. I personally did not show any symptoms for 17 days after becoming aware of my first contact.
This suggests to me that any quarantine, in order to be effective would have had to be for at least 20 days, and a thirty day quarantine seems more likely to be necessary, if quarantines can be effective at all. Most people flying into a country and testing positive had to quarantine for about 10 days, in the countries I am aware of. It appears to me ten days would not be sufficient to stop or even hinder the spread.
I am living in Spain. My son’s wife died 7 years ago. Therefore my son and his daughter were visiting us alone. They stayed for months because I was ill, and my son thought I was dying. I had an ongoing hip infection for about 11 months that I could not eradicate with antibiotics. But strangely, since I was obviously immune compromised, the Covid did not particularly bother me. It seems different types of infections prefer one person over another.
I should also mention my grand daughter completely bounced back from the infection in two or three days. She couldn’t stand being confined. I used to take her out at night for walks, because her father couldn’t go anywhere with her, and she was probably still contagious.
It took my wife about 10 days to return to about 70% after being infected. It also took my son about ten days to get to 70%. I never was worse than 70%, but it took about ten days for me to get back to what was 100% for me at that time.
None of us were or are vaccinated.
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Date: 2023-02-07 11:39 pm (UTC)The Chinese lockdowns, the toughest in the world, have proven definitively that quarantine does not work for this virus.
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Date: 2023-02-07 08:46 pm (UTC)As a computer programmer of over 35 years, my intensive research into these mRNA vaccines has led me to view the matter in similar terms -- but with a programmer's perspective that suggests potential caveats.
https://twitter.com/threadreaderapp/status/1410457894307442688
Re: programmer's perspective
Date: 2023-02-07 11:49 pm (UTC)"The human immune system – our "native" environment – routinely passes "instruction sets" to cells in order to address a detected event, such as an "invader" of exogenous origin. We have come to understand a lot of what goes on in this respect, BUT NOT ALL."
"These mRNA vaccines reflect a partial understanding of how to induce certain reactions in our cells – but we are not yet certain that the "instruction set" we are introducing is accounting for ALL of the parameters expected."
"Nor is there logic embedded in these artificially introduced instruction sets to detect and react to "error conditions" because of our failure to account for all of the expected parameters."
"Thus, just as a junior programmer, working to modify a long-existing program, lacks the understanding to account for all the expected instructions and potential error conditions, he is apt to achieve a primary objective while inadvertently causing unforeseen complications."
That's a good way of looking at it...
Primary objective: produce antibodies against spike protein
Tested: thoroughly Verdict: success
Secondary objective: protect against covid infection and death
Tested: insufficient Verdict: possible short-term success, known medium-term failure, probable long-term harm (i.e. negative efficacy)
Unforeseen complications: myocarditis, infertility, autoimmunity, impaired immunity, sudden death, etc. etc.
Tested: little to none Verdict: failure
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Date: 2023-02-07 08:57 pm (UTC)There never was a cardiac tsunami from COVID.
Dr. Anish Koka
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Date: 2023-02-07 09:34 pm (UTC)First, I'd like to draw a line under the AI thread at this point. It's strayed very, very far from the subject of this open post, which is (ahem) Covid and the world's various (mostly dysfunctional) responses to it.
Second, once again we're getting a flurry of people either ignoring or challenging point #2 in the post, and trying to drag the conversation over into conspiracy-culture territory. There are thousands of sites online where that sort of thing can be freely discussed; I don't think it's too much to ask that this one site focus on different conversations.
Thanks for abiding by the quirky house rules in this online space!
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Date: 2023-02-07 09:43 pm (UTC)It's things like the covid phenomenon that convince me that the answer to Fermat's Paradox is inevitable self destruction. Humanity is a toddler lost in a factory
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Date: 2023-02-09 12:08 pm (UTC)I suppose the virus is a symbol itself, of what I'm not quite sure.
I think most hoomans have the sense to leave well enough alone, it's a small minority that's causing most of the problems, IMHO.
Another datapoint from Mercola
Date: 2023-02-07 10:01 pm (UTC)Headline is "More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab" but that's to Dec 2021, so presumably at least double that by now.
At this stage I'm accustomed to seeing different figures from different people. I'm fairly sure Mercola himself has put out other articles to this one with different data on COVID jab deaths and injuries and the figures in this particular article look low-ish to me.
Anyway, it's enough for me to know the jabs are toxic and potentially deadly and you're playing a game of Russian roulette if you take them. The nasty issue going forward is that the mRNA tech is percolating into many (most?) other vaxxes. Doesn't effect me though, because I don't intend to take any jabs of any type in the time I have left.
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021
Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed
Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot
51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event
In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
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Were COVID-19 an infection with an extremely high mortality rate, perhaps high rates of death from a vaccine would be acceptable. But COVID-19 has an exceptionally low mortality rate, on par with or lower than influenza, hence the risk associated with the COVID jabs ought to be equally low.
The global cost of life from these vaccines is on the order of 10 to 12 million people. ~ Steve Kirsch [Comment: Steve's nos always look high, but UN data shows global excess deaths of ~25M in 2020-2022, so who knows?]
As it stands, the risks of the shots are very high, while Pfizer's own trial data, with more than 40,000 participants, show they offer no benefit in terms of your risk of hospitalization and/or death. The absolute risk reduction is so minute as to be inconsequential.
Data Points -- Who is demanding vaxes now...and no failing allowed!
Date: 2023-02-07 10:45 pm (UTC)Also, I just heard from a government source that the word "failure" is no longer allowed. You can't fail in the government apparently; you can only "defer success."
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Date: 2023-02-08 05:07 am (UTC)To the tune of Rock & Roll by Led Zeppelin:
Fly the AV technician in
Gonna repair AV equipment
Gotta get one gotta get one gotta get one
Who been fully vaxxed
Been a long time been a long time been a long long long lonely time
since any local worked here
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Date: 2023-02-08 05:00 am (UTC)The Mengeles gang rides at midnight.
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Date: 2023-02-08 12:06 am (UTC)One of our friends is an avid poker player. When the plague thingy started, the two poker groups he played with shut down. Later, one restarted but only for the vexed. Just this week, he was phoned by a poker group that is starting in the Community Hall. They invited him to join and then asked if he was vexed. He said, "No." and the person said he could not attend.
We all thought this a bit strange as all persons can now use the Community Hall and it is pretty widely understood that the vexes don't stop people from catching and spreading the 19.
So, we are starting a vex-free poker group. Our little island is still pretty seriously divided with the vexed on one side trying to keep the vex-free people out. But they must know this is irrational. Very odd behaviour even for Denman.
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Date: 2023-02-08 04:11 am (UTC)Crazy, crazy, crazy to have a V_---d' only poker players club. Or badminton club. Or gardening club.
That is some seriously didactic behaviour for a small community.
'The good people.'
Sheesh.
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Date: 2023-02-08 07:40 am (UTC)Can anybody see how this might prove wrong?
--Lunar Apprentice
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Date: 2023-02-08 12:09 am (UTC)https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/83376.html
He recently made a video mea culpa saying that he had "lost" and the unvaxxed had "won" because he claims to have sustained an MRNA vax injury. Even more recently, he has been caught hinting that his mea culpa was a prank. Moral of the story: don't believe anything said by Scott Adams.
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Date: 2023-02-08 03:59 am (UTC)I think he could have ridden that Dilbert comic strip creator-fame to a solid B-list status
if he'd seen things more clearly and been braver.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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Date: 2023-02-08 12:22 am (UTC)Robin Koerner at Brownstone had some excellent arguments why the unvaxxinated got it right. Adams' response, at least in one of his tweets was vague and sarcastic. So, can anybody tell me what Adams is up to?
https://brownstone.org/articles/how-the-unvaccinated-got-it-right/
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Date: 2023-02-08 04:18 am (UTC)Every now and then, the MSM will run an article that appeals to the "other side". For example, the Guardian will run some article questioning the vaccines. All the people vaccine sceptics will immediately post the article on their social media with something like "see, even the Guardian admits it!" Meanwhile, regular Guardian readers will be outraged and will post on their social media complaining about how the Guardian is going to the dogs. Put it all together and the Guardian gets a nice bump in their advertising revenue for a few days.
Adams got a similarly nice bump in his social media reach and boosted his brand by posting a message many people want to hear "I was wrong. You were right".
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Date: 2023-02-08 01:11 am (UTC)At several points in these Tuesday threads I've shared a bit about my experience in NYC as an educator who was terminated from my longtime career in the city public schools for noncompliance with the vaccine mandate. It's been a while, but it seems like a good time to update, for any who are interested.
The news as of yesterday is that the city is finally ending its mandate for city employees and contractors. All currently pending exemption requests will be granted; new employees will not be required to provide proof of vaccination; and unvaccinated parents will again be able to enter their childrens' schools. These were the last major vaccine restrictions still in place.
The city admits no wrongdoing; the announcement is celebratory and insists that the mandate can be dropped now because it was such a dramatic success. Mayor Adams again tries to work the weird rhetoric about how city workers "stepped up" to get the city through the pandemic, praising those who cared for the sick, cleaned the streets, and kept the schools open, then going on to make clear that the "stepping up" he really wants to praise is the stepping up to get vaccinated when the city demanded it. He refers to this as a "sacrifice" that good New Yorkers made to keep the public safe. Of course many of the city workers he's praising for "stepping up" stayed home until the vaccines became available; and many of us who did work all the way through got suspended or fired once the mandates were imposed.
Interesting that this announcement comes two days before a new federal lawsuit which is set to name Adams personally, but I think it was already a matter of time anyway.
For me, this comes just after finally landing a much-needed new job. For fifteen months I was unemployed (and technically unemployable within the city itself for most of that time, due to a city-imposed mandate for private employers which was only rolled back in autumn). I applied to high-paid consulting jobs and jobs stocking shelves and everything in between. We got by on savings and whatever odd jobs I could find. Finally I was able to take advantage of the federal mandate being suspended and have been working as a carrier for the USPS for about a month.
Yesterday's news means I can now apply for a job in the schools again if I choose. My attitude is very much no-thanks after all I've experienced over the last few years, though financial issues may make me at least consider it eventually; our savings is gone and I'll be earning less than half what I did with the DOE, with considerably longer hours and weeks. On the other hand early indications are that my seniority and salary step would not be honored if I was hired again by the city; I'd be starting back where I started fourteen years ago. So there may be very little to tempt me to rejoin the mess I left.
I am very relieved that I'll be allowed in to school buildings again; my kids were in a charter school that quietly ignored that rule, at least for me, but when I took my son to open-houses for high schools he might want to attend I had to wait outside. It's hard to describe how humiliating and infuriating that was.
As I've said throughout this period, we should expect things to continue to change rapidly. I can't know how well or how long this new job will work out, or what other opportunities may appear or disappear, but I'm grateful to finally be working again, and to still have my health and integrity this far into the Covid years in New York.
Jonathan.
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Date: 2023-02-08 04:25 am (UTC)Thanks for the update. I'm glad things seem to be working out for you.
Believe it or not, I've been wondering about you and your situation. As I recall, you live in Brooklyn, and are sort of tied to NYC due to caring for an elderly relative and the fact that your wife being a life-long resident of the city and doesn't want to leave. Your story stayed with me, because mine is not too different; I'm originally from Queens, and although my parents are dead, I'm currently stuck in New Jersey because my husband is from here and he has responsibilities for elderly relatives. NJ was never as bad as NYC with the covid crapola, but it wasn't great, either. It's not that easy to "just move" out of the covidian states when you have family responsibilities keeping you there. I wondered how you were holding up a few bridges away, in the belly of the beast.
Which is a long way of saying, I did remember your story and I have been wondering how you're doing. Best wishes to you from NJ, from a former New Yorker.
Mauve Erudite Stoat
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Date: 2023-02-08 01:22 am (UTC)Last line of the ad: "Only 3% of Canadians are up to date with their vaccinations." 😁
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Date: 2023-02-08 04:27 am (UTC)I dont even know what up to date would be now, 6?
Up to date = 5
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Date: 2023-02-08 01:30 am (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/218888.html?thread=39128584#cmt39128584
In the description of the YT video, the remote viewer, Edward Riordan, writes: "I had a strange sensation enter my awareness on the morning of November 9, 2017. The feeling could only be described as a low level rumbling type of sensation hitting my awareness. The feeling was so strange I decided to remote view the origin of this strange sensation."
I'd like to ask, did anyone sense that low level rumbling type of sensation, either before or during covid? Or more recently?
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Date: 2023-02-08 04:05 am (UTC)The best way I can describe it is that I felt like I was hit by a small earthquake - like something suddenly shoved or jolted me sideways while I was sitting on the couch. I promptly asked family members "Did you feel that? Like a small earthquake just now?" but they had no idea what I was talking about. I checked on line, and there was no seismic activity reported for my area. When I asked about it on Magic Monday, JMG said he had no idea what it might be, but someone else posted that he'd had the exact same experience, up to and including asking others if they had felt it, getting a negative answer, and looking on line for reports of seismic activity but coming up negative. I believe that person's experience had been within a few days of my first one, if I remember correctly, but I'm located on the east coast of the US, and the person who responded was somewhere in Europe, so were were nowhere near each other. After the first time, it happened maybe 3-4 more times, always when I was in a sort of relaxed state. I have no health problems that would explain the weird, disorienting sensation of being "shoved" by an invisible force, and it had never happened before and seems to have stopped, at least for now.
Not quite the same as a rumbling, but it was weird. I still don't know what to make of it.
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Date: 2023-02-08 01:44 am (UTC)https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-king-county-covid-19-paxlovid-coronavirus-vaccine-mandate-dow-constantine-bruce-marrell-public-health-jeff-duchin
Nothing regarding the fact that barely anyone has gotten the latest booster shot compared to previous vaccination efforts or the fact that if they had mandated boosters they would have had a huge worker exodus. The state already backed down from that ( they had wanted to impose it) last year.
The state however as of this post still has not budged on their vaccine mandate.
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Date: 2023-02-08 04:47 am (UTC)Updated US Cooties Shots Statistics
Date: 2023-02-08 02:52 am (UTC)The CDC is no longer posting the plain-vanilla booster numbers on their main injections website, so I dug into their database and extracted the stats for "first booster" and "second booster" as well.
My calculations from these are added into the table below.
My sources:
[1] CDC's main injection stats page,
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-onedose-pop-5yr
[2] CDC's injection stats database page,
https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/COVID-19-Vaccination-Demographics-in-the-United-St/km4m-vcsb
[3] Statista, population of age groups in the US,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/
The numbers below are all calculated from the numbers provided by CDC and Statista, for example "if 269,064,626 people have 1 or more shots, and they are 81% of the US population, then US population is 332,178,551."
Total US Population: 332,178,551
Age Brackets, Total Populations:
[1]
Under 5 y.o : 19,824,921
5 - 12 y.o. : 28,909,586
12-18 y.o. : 25,310,381
18-65 y.o. : 196,338,401
50-65 y.o. : 63,710,000 [3]
Over 65 y.o.: 61,795,262
One or more shots, number who got it, % of that age bracket:
[1]
Under 5 y.o : 2,002,272 10.1%
5 - 12 y.o. : 11,395,826 39.4%
12-18 y.o. : 18,183,558 71.8%
18-65 y.o. : 178,777,471 91.1%
Over 65 y.o.: 58,705,499 95%
Two or more shots, number who got it, % of that age bracket:
[1]
Under 5 y.o : 1,034,769 5.2%
5 - 12 y.o. : 9,362,207 32.4%
12-18 y.o. : 15,576,312 61.5%
18-65 y.o. : 152,136,880 77.5%
Over 65 y.o. : 51,608,947 94.2%
First Plain-Vanilla Booster, number who got it, % of that age bracket:
[2]
US total : 116,969,756
Under 5 y.o.: 0 0%
5 - 11 y.o. : 2,158,041 7.5%
12-17 y.o. : 5,036,462 19.9%
18-64 y.o. : 71,843,407 36.6%
65 and up : 37,931,844 61.4%
Second Plain-Vanilla Booster, number who got it, % of that age bracket:
[2]
US total : 35,683,603
Under 5 y.o.: 0 0%
5 - 11 y.o. : 0 0%
12-17 y.o. : 0 0%
18-49 y.o. : 0 0%
50-64 y.o. : 13,188,180 20.7% *
65 and up : 22,495,423 36.4%
* Used [2] and [3]
Bivalent booster, number who got it, % of that age bracket:
[1]
Under 5 y.o : 43,794 0.2%
5 - 12 y.o. : 1,137,656 4 %
12-18 y.o. : 1,745,192 6.9%
18-65 y.o. : 26,906,506 13.7%
Over 65 y.o. : 22,171,705 40.5%
Comments:
Evidently, 2nd plain-vanilla boosters were only available to those 50 and over.
Thankfully.
There are up to 35,683,603 people in the US with *five* cooties shots in them.
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36.4% of people over 65
As many as 20.7% of people age 50-64
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Date: 2023-02-08 06:25 am (UTC)— Christophe
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Date: 2023-02-08 03:12 am (UTC)I leave any personal thoughts about the background ideas of these vaccines, and why it was pushed so hard on the world. 'They' got into about half the world's population, and we shall all see... The point is - there is something very different with Covid. I haven't put an completed thought about this. I will say, however, in my teenage years, I had the chance to talk quite a bit with an grandmother of her tales of the family (like an oral tradition covering over two hundred years), of its travels from Nantucket to Indiana, and even the remembered words of ancestors. It was very interesting, and I have an outlook I think few are graced to have. One of the things we talked about was the Spanish flu of 1918-1919. She had it, and said she never felt worse. The point is - Spanish flu was terrible, it traveled four times around the world. But, I didn't hear from her the level of fear that was created as with Covid. Why the fear? I will leave that alone.
The one thing I am quite certain of was we still had than tradition of family caring for sick family members, and in my case a family that still had an tradition of herbal home treatment. We are not the people we were in this now twilight of this civilization.
Sometime - soon, I promise to be more than just anon..
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Date: 2023-02-08 03:30 am (UTC)Thank you, JMG, thank you so very much.
And thank you also to all who post and read here.
Cetiosaurus
Grammys
Date: 2023-02-08 03:44 am (UTC)"Brought to you by Pfizer"
It looks like we have officially entered the torment phase of the demonic hypothesis.
Re: Grammys
Date: 2023-02-08 06:08 am (UTC)Here's a gem from Tatsuya Ishida today
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