Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 79

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Looking Back on Covid

[dendroica]

To me the most logical explanation for this sort of thing is simply that viruses can be present in some people for long periods without causing illness or contagion.

Some viruses are well known for their ability to go "dormant" and reappear later in life, but I would guess that most viruses can do this to some extent in certain people or in certain circumstances. There are billions of cells and billions of viruses, and all it takes is for some virus somewhere to get interrupted in its replication cycle such that it persists infinitely within a living cell.

If this is true, then no amount of testing or quarantine will ever guarantee that someone is entirely virus-free.

Re: Looking Back on Covid

[weilong]

That's certainly a possibility. In that scenario, the next question that needs to be asked is: If these viruses can be present without causing harm for long periods of time, what causes them to do so all of a sudden? I.e., there must be some other factor or combination of factors that combines with the viruses to cause harm.

Re: Looking Back on Covid

[dendroica]

(I meant to write "indefinitely" rather than "infinitely".)

My guess would be that our ancestors described certain illnesses as "colds" because they noticed that people often got sick with them following a chill (which physiologically would be a drop in body temperature).

Given that hyperthermia (fever) is supportive of the immune response, it's reasonable to assume that hypothermia, even mild and transient, would be immunosuppressive and may allow dormant or inactive viruses that are already present to multiply and cause illness.

(I finally got covid last year two days after an alternating hot spring soak/cold plunge that I'm sure was messing with my body temperature...)