Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66
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So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2022-11-08 07:09 pm (UTC)I hope everybody who feels so inclined will put a prayer out there that whoever wins and whatever happens, sanity will prevail.
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Date: 2022-11-08 07:33 pm (UTC)- that is so boosted, boosted beyond belief
- go boost yourself
- he really boosted them, right in the arm
Boost!
Date: 2022-11-08 10:31 pm (UTC)My high school had a "booster club" that organized fundraisers for athletics.
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Date: 2022-11-08 08:26 pm (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/205767.html?thread=36225735#cmt36225735
Secondly an update. The Oil Lady is now at home, and it turns out that she refused the "blood patch procedure", and this for an interesting reason. She had a visit yesterday morning from a new anaesthesiologist, who she had not met before. This doctor confessed that the same thing (cerebrospinal fluid leak following a botched epidural) had happened to her. When the Oil Lady asked whether the doctor had accepted the blood patch procedure, the doctor said, "no, I took the conservative treatment route, and rested at home. It took three weeks, but the leak eventually sealed up." Armed with this advice, my friend decided to go home. She is now on bedrest, with good help (she has three older children, too). But still with the headache, and the leak has not resolved yet.
So, the prayer request still stands, but the situation has altered. In many ways for the better, as she is in her own home. Even though sticking to the task of resting may be more challenging there.
Anyway, all prayers are welcome. As she has herself confirmed to me.
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Date: 2022-11-08 08:34 pm (UTC)https://www.oilystuffblog.com/single-post/seven-sisters-1994-1
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Date: 2022-11-09 08:52 pm (UTC)open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-11-08 08:38 pm (UTC)The following links contains the archives (.epub and html, and for Vol. 2 text too)
Volume 1 (everything before 1st March 2022)
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Date: 2022-11-08 08:52 pm (UTC)Excerpt:
"There's a debate in philosophy about whether science produces real knowledge--perhaps to the surprise of many scientists! The predictive power of scientific theories would seem to suggest that they are offering accurate descriptions of the world. Yet theories do change over time- scientists used to be confident about the existence of "ether". Will the unobservable entities and best-explanations we posit today stand the test of time?
What about the amyloid hypothesis? In 2006 [a researcher] discovered an unknown polymer AB*56,which when isolated and injected into the brains of mice, caused Alzheimer's-like symptoms...And since then, many millions--perhaps billions--of dollars have been spent developing anti-AB therapies, with little to no success. Now, a 6-month investigation led by Science magazine has found that the 2006 study may contain fabricated results.
If true, the findings would cast doubt on 16 years of research- consider that more than 2300 papers cite the original study.
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Do scientists, on the whole, put too much stock in the findings of individual papers and the peer review process?
...Regardless of any fabrication, other researchers have struggled to reproduce [the] results, so should the paper have been ctied 2300 times? What proportion of researchers cast a truly skeptical eye over the findings?"
Page 9 is their regular contributor Victoria Samanidou's article "Academic Integrity Volume 3: An Indecent Proposal" -- a great series overall -- taking aim at pay-to-publish journal editors. She suggests to revisit the Committee of Publication Ethics [COPE] guidelines, and speak out (send her a letter) about the new schemes you see.
An anonymous letter writer to her last column says he sees "abusive" reviewers:
"Abusive reviewers may become aware (by early citation, arXiv, word of mouth) that a "target" paper or researcher is under review, and then write to the journal's editor demanding to be made a reviewer.
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When decision letters for contributed papers are sent, it's common practice to send all reviews to all reviewers...
Scathing anonymous reviews will damage the paper's authors in the eyes of the other unnamed reviewers...
Reviewers in the first round are often asked to review the revision...a reviewer may [then] stridently attack another reviewer's first review, and...damn the work of third parties by name.
I've also seen reviewers attacking papers of students of professors with whom they've had a disagreement, even if these students are publishing independently.
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Abusive reviewers are also authors, and such authors have been known to add a few sentences to the typesetters proof of accepted papers."
I thought all that was very topical.
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Date: 2022-11-08 10:45 pm (UTC)The estimate is that 70% of published research findings cannot be replicated. In other words, crap.
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IM Doc
November 2, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Regarding the article above about questioning the tactics of the current Dem effort in the midterms.
I would point you to this article as well –
https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-suburban-women-swing-toward-backing-republicans-for-congress
White suburban women, in the blue areas – have apparently been polled recently as going from a D+18 group just weeks ago – to a R+15 group now – a 33 point difference. There are articles all over the place today in the MSM stating that this is simply impossible. The denial is breathless – bordering on frantic.
I would venture that those denial articles are being written by reporters who are looking at shining screens all day and not out on the beat with the voters. It is very difficult to tell what is going on in the world from a screen. This is one of the major faults of our society.
They should be out talking to ministers, Chamber of Commerce people and primary care providers like me. They may have a more clear picture than what is had by lampooning these articles amongst their friends on Twitter.
These articles are all blaming the economy. I am certain that is playing some role. But I have also noticed something unique starting in mid-October.
I live in a very blue area. I have many young mothers and grandmas, Rachel MSNBC viewers all, in my practice. And something started to happen a few weeks ago then that has only been accelerating – 3 times already this AM.
This is a composite sketch of the interaction…….
Patient – IM Doc, are you having your kids vaccinated with the COVID shots?
IM Doc – No Ma’am – not even remotely enough evidence for a risk/benefit ratio to even consider doing so.
Patient – I agree. My children/grandchildren will not be vaccinated…..Do you agree with the CDC vote to put them on the vaccine schedule for kids? So and so politician on the news the other night stated if the CDC put them on the schedule they will have to be taken to go to school. I do not think they are that helpful for my kid. They certainly did not stop all of us adults from having Omicron twice this year already.
IM Doc – I most certainly do not agree – again – there is nowhere near enough evidence to do so. Many of us are concerned that experimental vaccines do not belong on that list at all. Polio, MMR, all the others absolutely. But the COVID vaccines have not near enough evidence for that placement.
Patient – I agree. And thank you for being honest. Do you think that “public official 1″ is going to now mandate this for my kids/grandkids to go to school” – I will assume they are – they have mindlessly done every other stupid thing the CDC has recommended the past 2 years…..If they do so – I will not vote for the Dems at all. I am sick and tired of this.
This is happening over and over and over again. And I mean over and over.
Add that to the large number of working class and minority families in my practice that have historically been Dem voters who themselves or friends or families were absolutely screwed by the vaccine mandates – again, I remind everyone a mandate for a product that was non-sterilizing and does not stop transmission – and we are starting to have some real problems for the Dems.
When you are a physician in a small town – sometimes you hear things from patients that they tell you out of their stress or frustration. Like the local official just yesterday tasked with counting the early votes who told me – “this is going to be a shocker.”
Who knew that the October Surprise this year was the 15-0 CDC vote, Dem donors all, to place these vaccines on the kiddy schedule and get the mandate ball rolling all over the country? They say that is not the case – but after people watching their local officials bend to the will of the CDC over the past 3 years, I do not blame the people for thinking this way at all. There is also clearly a gnawing realization among my patients that games are being played. With their kid’s lives. Patterns matter. And unless a forceful hard no is coming from the governor, the lingering doubt will continue.
Suburban moms and grandmas put up with a lot of stuff – but you start screwing with their kids health and lives without coherent reasoning – and there will be hell to pay.
The vaccine mandates from last year, I continue to firmly believe, are going to be one of the greatest political self-owns in American history. This kid vaccine schedule thing and, more importantly, the profound and completely unanswered confusion it is causing, may be right up there as well.
Dem politicians – if you are reading this you may do yourselves a lot of favor by speaking out now. This is really and truly happening. It appears to be dramatically affecting one of your core constituencies in blue America.
And Dem politicians of the future – before you get into bed with one of the worst corporations in American history, that has been found guilty of fraud and charged billions of dollars in the past, you should keep the shellacking you are about to undergo in mind. Blind following of these kind of entities usually does not end well.
And my own professional leaders better start paying attention as well. The wrath is now pointed at the politicians. That will soon be pointed right at this profession. The first and most important thing is to be honest at all times.
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Date: 2022-11-08 10:34 pm (UTC)First, a warning: drinking Fizzy drinks, Low-quality fruit juices (added sugar, no pulp), Cordials, or Energy drinks may cause blood clots.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/the-simpsons-and-rick-and-morty-producer-j-michael-mendel-dead-at-54/ar-AA13NWYw
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tiffany-tycoon-dies-after-falling-from-cruise-ship-while-on-holiday-with-boyfriend/ar-AA13QCQu
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/adam-zimmer-s-death-details-revealed-docs-say-coach-had-bruising-or-blood-pooling-around-his-eye/ar-AA13S3Hy
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/former-kenzo-dior-executive-fran%C3%A7ois-baufum%C3%A9-dies-at-77/ar-AA13Qk0R
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/oscar-tony-nominated-writer-director-douglas-mcgrath-dies/ar-AA13QjQY
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/music/hurricane-g-dead-tributes-flood-in-for-nyc-rapper-gloria-rodriguez/ar-AA13OSOi
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/artifacts-rapper-tame-one-dead-at-52/ar-AA13QcN9
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/mimi-parker-drummer-and-vocalist-of-indie-rock-band-low-dies-at-55/ar-AA13OtHb
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Date: 2022-11-08 10:46 pm (UTC)IM Doc
November 8, 2022 at 3:33 pm
About the Dr. Leonardi article about T-cell dysfunction in COVID.
The article that Lambert has referenced is something I think we should all read and contemplate. The article is written for all to understand. It is not full of jargon and medicalese.
The basic hypothesis being put forth is that COVID is exhausting our immune systems, particularly the T-cells, which are the “ace in the hole” for any immune action against a virus.
I have heard this line of thinking debated in academic conferences for the past 2 years many times. I think it is becoming clear ( an in now way a consensus ) that this line of thinking is absolutely plausible.
Right up front, this type of situation is already found in other human viral infections, most notably dengue fever, the defining pattern of which is that the second and subsequent infections are much worse, often lethal, than the first. Years of research have realized that a large component of this problem has to do with an exhausted immune system.
Secondly, one could posit if this was really the case that eventually, the communal immune system would be so wiped out that fighting other infectious agents, both group and individually, may be a problem. Look around you. I have never seen so much RSV in my life. And now the flu is coming right up behind. Lots and lots of non-COVID illness. And especially the RSV – this has never been this pathogenic an infection in my career until the past few months.
I ask very tough questions in conferences. Someone has to.
If I were in a conference with Dr. Leonardi, I would have the following ready to go……
“It is crystal clear in my practice, and in the chatter I hear from docs all around me, that the vaccinated patients are mainly the ones we are seeing quite literally over and over again. I have many that are now on infection #4 or 5. Again, this is clearly much more common in the vaccinated. Indeed, we now have studies coming in from everywhere that the VE ( vaccine effectiveness) often goes negative in many age groups and demographics only after a few weeks/months….the most recent is the Qatari study from NEJM just days ago. IOW, the vaccinated are very quickly becoming much more likely to be vaccinated. This is certainly obvious to me looking at my practice. If this is so, Dr. Leonardi, are you aware of the vaccines mitigating this effect on frequent infections? If not, is this not putting the vaccinated in more damage given your model?”
That to me is the elephant in the room…..and I am hearing it being discussed nowhere. Unfortunately, I am starting to see in the multiply infected a significant propensity toward frequent other infections, shingles, severe fatigue, and lack of desire for exercise.
There is so much we need to know – now. We need those who are unafraid to ask hard questions. But as was pointed out to me just a few weeks ago by one of my elder professors – critical thinking has been quashed. We simply cannot tolerate misinformation. Those who engage in it are the evildoers – just look at the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-attention.html
There really will need to be a day of accountability for all of this. Meanwhile, there are those of us out on the fruited plain, who have practices literally full of these kinds of patients. With all kinds of questions.
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shinola
November 8, 2022 at 4:21 pm
“IOW, the vaccinated are very quickly becoming much more likely to be vaccinated.”
Huh…?
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November 8, 2022 at 4:30 pm
Sorry – it should read – IOW, the vaccinated are very quickly becoming more likely to be infected
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Date: 2022-11-09 05:02 pm (UTC)Here is what I wrote. I guess I was more pointed in my criticism than IM Doc:
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I am puzzled by Leonardi. I can't quite figure him out. He lists himself as a Kavli Fellow on his twitter bio, but not that he is pursuing MPH degree, as the linked article mentions. I can't find anything in his twitter feed on Kavli. Kavli appears to dabble in concern over 'Science and Society', but the science Kavli support are well outside his area of expertise. I would say he provides half-truths.
He goes on about repeated infection depleting T-cells, but avoids any consideration of what the multiple pharmaceutical interventions recommended per year might be doing, that keep reintroducing the original spike into the body. The press routinely ignores this as well. Given how novel all of this is, I think it is intellectually dishonest not to consider the rampant application of novel pharmaceuticals, which possesses some of same novel proteins as the infection, as potenially causing problems as well.
I often think of this piece from November, 2020, that while a Moderna puff piece, gave a reason why Moderna moved into vaccines:
"...In animal studies, the ideal dose of their leading mRNA therapy was triggering dangerous immune reactions — the kind for which Karikó had improvised a major workaround under some conditions — but a lower dose had proved too weak to show any benefits.
Moderna had to pivot. If repeated doses of mRNA were too toxic to test in human beings, the company would have to rely on something that takes only one or two injections to show an effect. Gradually, biotech’s self-proclaimed disruptor became a vaccines company, putting its experimental drugs on the back burner and talking up the potential of a field long considered a loss-leader by the drug industry."
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/
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From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2022-11-10 05:12 pm (UTC) - ExpandNovember Eclipse and Blood Moon
Date: 2022-11-08 10:55 pm (UTC)During the time I gradually cast an I Ching using coin method. Result: 30. Li / The Clinging, Fire, one of the double hexagrams. It seemed a very appropriate reading for the moment. Changing lines were 2 and 3 which give very contradictory indications:
Yellow light. Supreme good fortune.
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In the light of the setting sun,
Men either beat the pot and sing
Or loudly bewail the approach of old age.
Misfortune.
The resulting hexagram is 38. K'uei / Opposition and I cite the notes from Wilhem's translation:
THE JUDGMENT
OPPOSITION. In small matters, good fortune.
When people live in opposition and estrangement they cannot carry out a great undertaking in common; their points of view diverge too widely. In such circumstances one should above all not proceed brusquely, for that would only increase the existing opposition; instead, one should limit oneself to producing gradual effects in small matters. Here success can still be expected, because the situation is such that the opposition does not preclude all agreement. In general, opposition appears as an obstruction, but when it represents polarity within a comprehensive whole, it has also its useful and important functions. The oppositions of heaven and earth, spirit and nature, man and woman, when reconciled, bring about the creation and reproduction of life. In the world of visible things, the principle of opposites makes possible the differentiation by categories through which order is brought into the world.
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Any other insights or observations from the eclipse as an indication of the time ahead?
Or is it bosh?
Re: November Eclipse and Blood Moon
Date: 2022-11-09 06:41 am (UTC)In ‘24 we need to win decisively and incontestably. Otherwise I seriously think we could be looking at a one party state featuring Stalinism 2.0, complete with holodomor. I don’t think we want that.
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Date: 2022-11-08 11:12 pm (UTC)It looks like the only relief to be found was in two religions - the Amish and the Rosicrucians. I didn't hear what happened with those who asked for exemption as Druids. Am I missing any others?
If I wanted to create another option, what does it take to found a religion in the US? It looks like to keep the government off of me, I need to formally be a part of one that is against vaccination, digitally stamping me, and whatever other crazy scheme they come up with next from the book of Revelation.
Would love any history of starting a religion or advice or tips. Probably should have started on this earlier, but here we are.
That gives me ideas
Date: 2022-11-09 04:14 am (UTC)For some years I participated in the activities of a group of neo-Hellenic pagans. But that movement is too fragmented and lacks the necessary clout to help with exemptions from despotic bureaucratic policies. Also, to my profound disappointment, the membership have all converted to Branch Covidianism.
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Date: 2022-11-08 11:25 pm (UTC)I just learned that there are places in the UK who have local recorders of history at the village/parish level. People in each place are free to do it as they wish, capturing the present moment. It sounds so lovely!
I've been thinking of all that has occurred and feel like now with the election it could be the time to gather some our recollections from our local experiences, before they are lost to time. (Obviously keep our identity to our level of comfort.)
Looking to see if there is interest in submissions, and if there is enough for 60 pages or more, I'd be willing to put them together into a book we could have for ourselves.
Copied and pasted the local recorder info below in case you are interested.
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Local Recorders Scheme
The Suffolk Local History Council administers a Local Recorders Scheme throughout Suffolk. We maintain a network of people in the county to ensure the survival of valuable material for future local historians by:
Seeing that the present is adequately recorded at local level, and
Being on the look-out for items of historical interest which might be overlooked or lost for ever.
To do this Recorders are asked to note significant happenings in their area, especially the changes going on around them, and also to be on the look-out for older records and to record reminiscences of their area in the past.
Recorders are asked to send in a short report at the end of each calendar year, giving an account of activities in their community and the changes that have taken place. The reports are kept with the parish records in the nearest branch of the Suffolk Record Offices. When Recorders resign, the material they have collected is deposited for safe keeping with the Record Office in the name of the Suffolk Local History Council.
The SLHC provides new Recorders with a Recorders Pack containing guide-lines on various aspects of the job, and are encouraged to become members of the SLHC. Recorders also receive two Newsletters a year, and have the opportunity of attending an annual Recorders Day in April. The Honorary Recorders’ Secretary can be contacted by email (recorders@slhc.org.uk) and would be happy to hear from anyone requesting further information, or interested in becoming a Recorder or Assistant Recorder where a vacancy exists.
https://slhc.org.uk/recorders/
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Date: 2022-11-09 10:56 am (UTC)There is a long tradition of keeping records in Britain, probably going further back than the Venerable Bede's 'Ecclesiastical History of the English People', finished around the year 731. Local history societies are very popular here I have several books of stories and anecdote collections from various periods and they all provide fascinating pictures of what was happening at the time. There is one in particular I return to - 'The Living Village, a picture of rural life drawn from village scrap books' by Paul Jennings. It was first published in 1968 and shows the sometimes dramatic change of country life at the end of the 1960s.
When it was demolished, another, much smaller, book of memories was made about the primary school where my grandfather was headmaster for many years. In that, we found lovely stories about him that he'd never told us, but now the family have a record of them. In one, because of his dislike of corporal punishment, if he found two boys fighting he'd bring them into the playground, put adult boxing gloves on them and then summon the school to watch them try and slug it out. Of course, being small boys, they couldn't and everyone ended up laughing, including the fighting boys.
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Date: 2022-11-08 11:56 pm (UTC)November 8, 2022 at 5:44 pm
I believe your points are very well taken.
When we are talking about the USA, our entire data collection system is just a total mess. I am not sure it can be ever reliably used for anything about COVID.
For example, much has been made in the past few months about USA having some of the highest mortality rates there are in the world from COVID. That is true….but is that truly a COVID issue or an adjacent problem? The vast majority of my own patients who have had a very negative outcome have been folks who have been overweight, out of control diabetics, gravely ill in some other way, or immunocompromised. The first two by far and away the problems. Is COVID killing a higher percentage of Americans because of how we have handled it specifically, or is it killing more Americans because there are 10 fast food joints at every intersection? Or is it multifactorial in ways we have not even imagined?
The issue is this is very very difficult to tease out. As you say, there is a universe of confounding variables and issues.
And the death rate is just one of the issues.
But I was trained to see what is going on before my eyes, to process it with whatever data I had available and to immediately begin working with my patients on what I am seeing. This is ESPECIALLY SO in an emergency when little is known. Unfortunately, our federal health officials have done everything possible to squelch this approach. As anyone who has been reading my comments for the past 3 years can tell you – I have repeatedly stated – LOSE WEIGHT, EAT LESS SUGAR, GET THE A1C DOWN, EXERCISE, GET OUT IN THE SUN, HUG YOUR KIDS. For it is people who do those things who really seem to have better COVID outcomes before my very own eyes. And I have doubled down on this with my own cohort. And have had many many people listen and get much healthier.
Unfortunately, these things have not ever been a priority of our federal health officials – and for that I am profoundly disappointed.
And again, this is just one example.
Do not even get me started, for example, on the definition of “vaccinated” or “unvaccinated”. Talk about confounding and misdirection
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-09 01:59 pm (UTC)My anec-data is similar. A nurse I spoke to in 2020 said that all of the people who died of covid in her hospital were obese and almost all diabetic. Another retired nurse said that the doctor she used to work with had reported something similar - very obese patients were having the worst outcomes.
All of the people I knew first- or second-hand who died "of covid" were elderly and co-morbid, not obese and diabetic, but then I don't know that many obese diabetics.
I remember a news article with the headline saying something like "Healthy Child Dies of COVID" - but then, if you actually read the article, it turned out that the child was obviously obese in the photo, and that the article acknowledged that he had undiagnosed diabetes and that they couldn't get his blood sugar under control.
I have yet to hear our fear-mongering public health experts(tm) say a word about this, though.
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Date: 2022-11-08 11:59 pm (UTC)Layoffs This Month (% of Workers):
1. Twitter: 50%
2. Cameo: 25%
3. Robinhood: 23%
4. Intel: 20%
5. Snapchat: 20%
6. Coinbase: 18%
7. Opendoor: 18%
8. Stripe: 14%
9. Lyft: 13%
10. Shopify: 10%
11. Meta: “Thousands”
12. Apple: Hiring Freeze
13. Amazon: Hiring Freeze
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Date: 2022-11-09 01:19 am (UTC)i wasn't being defensive about my emotionalism, i just didn't want to be the ...what's the word?... the designated "Emotional One." designated. transactional analysis worked for me most when i was confused and overtaken by emotions, and one of the things i remembered was that i was the designated train wreck. that was my role, my shtick.
so i didn't want that to me MY area, and implied in that is that all others are the RATIONAL or yes---blocked or disconnected people. rational. ha!
and while we're re-evaluating our assumptions, beliefs, and habits, i'm saying we're ALL a little bit country and we're ALL a little bit rock n' roll, ya dig?
from there, i - we all- see how EMOTIONAL you actually are-- full of LOVE and connection you are. maybe it wanted to be leaky messy frizzy, but we're all products of this society at this time. we're all cheated by the unfettered soul myth or fantasy.
someone insinuated that you'd re-channeled re-directed all that emotion into other areas. yes! exactly.
and as far as men being repressed or whatever you said, i'm confused and will seem unclear here because i thought that about men too, along with a ton of other things, that turned out to be wrong. especially now in the era of Sheridan's and Violet Cabra's "Devouring Mother."
you're not ALLOWED your deepest romantic (in all ways) expressions. so y'all tend to tip really way and take a lot of things on the chin, but are comfortable doing the sweetest things on the low, while us women (and men who act like us) are publicly yelling about how GREAT and GOOD and LOVING we are. (liberals now)
when you tilt your head a certain way, you see just how DEEP and profoundly expansive men's love can be. i'm not gonna do the habitual "balancing out" by trashing men after that statement. notice it's expected, though. no free compliments to men. they might start feeling themselves.
good!
anyhow, that's what i see of men and of YOU here. i don't have to KNOW you any further.
that said:
i HEAR you that YOU FEEL DISCONNECTED EMOTIONALLY.
good. that's something you can mess with just like Murmuration is, in order to get over that feeling.
and like St. Catherine Alexandria, you're opening yourself up to new possibilities for expression or reactions within YOURSELF, and i find this all exciting and inevitable.
i hope i'm making sense. i've been "writing" a response for a couple of days. like with St. Catherine Alexandria, i have nothing to "tell" you, only PROMPT YOU.
i'm saying you come from sensitives (your ma) and ARE one. you love the birds you can scale the tedious data and bring it to us who don't understand or find it all so tedious.
now that the world as it was is ending, you can push into new ways of no longer being disconnected now that you notice it and find it uncomfortable. i stammer because i'm still re-arranging my old assumptions about myself in this world. they sneak up on me, you know?
but the world is different now, and in the upside downness of everything, i'm the rational one compared to these emotional freakouts of the so-called rational normals.
i'm not really saying anything here. i'm stammering in type. but i don't want you to defend yourself or shake off this conversation. i wanna pick up on you feeling disconnected emotionally because you are important here to all this and men always take it on the chin. no more!
so cut yourself slack for being emotionally disconnected. even as "emotional" as i seem, it's self-indulgent because IT'S HERE. this is all performance even as it's real.
it fits with what you also said about trying to have an eco meet up that devolved into wanting to talk about more IDEAS and how to get them out there.
that's like WRITING and talking about WRITING for me. where's the DOING???
so little DOING. that's why i wanna do a craft fair or some REASON to meet up instead of just blabbing about "what to DO?"
I was talking about this with James. same here in SF. we used to meet up locally and grow relationships.
we're all socially retarded... ANXIOUS. that's the bedrock of all THIS and WHY THIS: we're all anxious.
i'm almost done re-reading Mattias Desmet's book, and am now more confused than EVER. because i didn't realize how much the world had changed and so many were on anxiety meds. i had NO IDEA.
i remember going to costco awhile back and the woman at the register suddenly looked like she'd been punctured and the air had been let out. i gasped and asked, "ARE YOU OKAY???"
she smiled through half lidded eyes and said, "my meds just kicked in."
how can anyone NOT be emotionally detached in this world? you've done amazingly well to have stayed as connected as you HAVE. see what i mean about coming out ahead of where you thought you were?
i've no answers. i'm new here, too.
i just see things a little differently than most people and hope that there's something you can use in this to cut yourself some slack as you do struggle to find creative ways to be more emotionally connected.
see, you might be surprised to find that you're waaaay more able to be connected than most of these folks walking the earth right now because you're also alive in your writings here.
maybe this is all mashed potato nothing but i just didn't want you to be blown off. you men tend to blow your own needs off. i've said before that men now remind me of timid women in the '70s before all those feminist consciousness raising groups. back when feminism was about MEN being emancipated from the shtick, too.
you all came out short in all this. so i just didn't want you to excuse yourself so fast after all you've given here.
thank you for YOUR service!
xxxxx
erika
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Date: 2022-11-09 02:03 am (UTC)These people still cling to the belief that if only everyone wore a mask everything would be fine. Is there some sort of magic effect of the masks that creates a hold over certain people to believe that masks will solve all the worlds problems?
Re: Masks
Date: 2022-11-09 03:01 am (UTC)I usually try to caveat, maybe in a perfect world where everyone is given N95s, was properly fitted, and changed them as needed. But nope, they just ignore any studies, our own outcomes, and repeat the lines "masks reduce spread".
Was just suspended from a subreddit today for trying to explain and was told to stop spreading misinformation...many comments said that in fact so lots of time to go until people let go of this one if ever.
Today I was walking outside on a nice trail in a creek near my home, a women walked by wearing a mask...it's so confusing.
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From:The Great Denial
Date: 2022-11-09 01:48 pm (UTC)Notable for it's absence was any reference to The Plague, the response to it and the mandates. Equally notable was the repetitive instance the the American People are tired of investigations.
I expect that the chart intrepreted by JMG over at Subscribe Star will prove to be spot on, bad for those in power but improvements will be hindered if I recall. It seems most likely the denial and obfuscation will continue to increase with scant hope of any resolution soon.
I can only hope that the energy and resources required to maintain this illusion will leave open a window of escape allowing some to slink away from the cascade of consequences. Godspeed to all.
Gawain
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Date: 2022-11-09 03:46 pm (UTC)He seemed quite committed to alarmed consternation.
His wife, I assume after numerous shots, went blind.
Granted she was very old (officially old!) with previous medical conditions. And yet....
I mean, I don't know.
Kyle Sandilands' Get Vaxxed Baby, 2021
Date: 2022-11-09 02:40 pm (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNbmUYF_xNo
Kyle Sandilands, "Get Vaxxed Baby" 2021
TRANSCRIPT [PARTIAL]
Get vaxxed baby
oh oh oh oh oh!
Alright stop! Vaccinate and listen!
We are back with a brand new injection
Someone grabbed a hold of you tightly
Rolled up your sleeves whether daily or nightly
Will this ever stop? Yo, we don't know
But stuck in lockdown really blows
Too many people think vaxx is a scandal
Take two shots and covid's handled
Pfizer or AstraZeneca
Hmmm what rhymes with AstraZenca?
Oh yeah America
One of a hundred places you could travel to
So just relax
Lay down your tinfoil hats and just get vaxxed
So we can go back to the old ways
Shaking hands kissing strangers all day
Get vaxxed baby
That's right
Get vaxxed baby
What are you waiting for, it's there!
Get vaxxed baby
You want to sit at home your whole life unvaccinated, mmm mmm
Go get in the vaccination line today
Get vaxxed baby
1:00
[END OF SONG]
angry and scared about election results
Date: 2022-11-09 05:52 pm (UTC)I have a two year-old. As of now, Minnesota has a philosophical exemption for all vaccines. Democrats introduced a bill last session to remove that (a a al California and New York). I fear Minnesota will follow the Big Pharma dictates and remove this exemption. My partner and I want to be careful and selective about how and if we vaccinate.
I fear for my child's health and for my autonomy/medical freedom as a parent. I would strongly prefer not to move or homeschool (for reasons I won't go into here), but may have to consider those things.
I am independent politically, but was hoping Dems would get a smackdown due to their Covid and other overreaches but it doesn't seem like that happened.
I am wondering if there's anything I can do to maintain this medical freedom/philosophical exemption in my state.
Re: angry and scared about election results
Date: 2022-11-09 06:19 pm (UTC)I'm not sure if MN has a quorum requirement that would make that effective, but it could work.
I'm a bit surprised by the lack of a red wave. I do think that the red team *could have* had their wave if they had a) universally accepted the outcome of the 2020 election, b) distanced themselves from Trump, and c) not chosen an election year to reverse Roe v. Wade. But...what can I say - both parties tend to shoot themselves in the foot when they are ahead.
I spent the first 23 years of my life in Minnesota and most of my family is there - here's hoping it doesn't join the more extreme blue team insanity.
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Date: 2022-11-09 06:03 pm (UTC)IVAN VILIBOR SINĆIĆ
Member of European Parliament (Croatia)
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/197935/IVAN%20VILIBOR_SINCIC/home
Complete press conference December 8, 2021
5 MEPS RESPOND TO URSULA VON DER LEYEN'S TOTALITARIAN MANDATORY VACCINATION
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IVAN VILIBOR SINĆIĆ: Thank you dear colleagues, thank you for attending this press conference. In the beginning I will reply to the President of the Commission Ursula von der Leyen, who called for a debate on mandatory vaccination. The answer is simple. No, you cannot mandate these medical products. And why you cannot mandate these medical products? Because data and science have shown us that these products are far, far, very far away from what was promised.
I will repeat it over and over again. On 25th of February, here in Brussels, in European Parliament, there was a committee and seven directors, CEOs from major pharmaceutical companies from Moderna and AstraZeneca, to Pfizer and Novavax, were there, and we as MEPs had arrived to ask them questions about their medical products, and they said it had extreme efficiency, 90-95%, all those high percentages. And nine months later, what do we see in the data? What science and statistics shows us? It shows us that the efficiency is far, far less than it was promised. This is the benefit. The efficiency is the benefit. And there are also costs to the benefit. What are the costs? The costs are of course side effects. Every product has its side effects.
What does the science ell us about side effects? That there are more reported side effects, adverse reactions, to these covid vaccines than all the other vaccines combined in several decades.
We have products of questionable quality and this is why you cannot mandate them. You cannot mandate them.
And when it comes to freedom more and more I feel that our constitutional rights and our human rights have been kidnapped. And that we have to pay ransom every six months, one year, we have to pay ransom to get our freedoms back. This is simply unacceptable. Our rights are unalienable, that means that no kidnapper can take them from us. It's as simple as that. And we accept nothing else.
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I will make short report on Croatia and Slovenia. As you know, as I said on the previous conference, at the beginning of November Croatian government decided that public sector must have digital
green certificates implemented. As soon as this measure was started, started to get implemented, huge resistance was offered on all levels and it still is there and it continues to rise.
So now, it will be tomorrow in Croatian Parliament there will be a debate on a law that will make fines for all those who do not implement the digi-c in their institution, in their organization. So the Croatian government goes further with this repression, with this unconstitutional situation. And of course if von der Leyen tells them, implement mandatory vaccination of course they will do it. They have always done whatever Brussels tell them, no matter how illogical it was.
So Ms. von der Leyen said that digi-c's were a huge success, while this huge success was declared unconstitutional by the Constitutional Court of Slovenia just a few days ago.
The Constitutional Court of Slovenia, and I have to emphasize this because as my colleagues said, there's a lot of censorship, and information spread, informations like this spread very slowly, so I will make a special address on this here.
So the Constitutional Court of Slovenia made a decision, made a ruling, that the decision made by the government, which was by the way suspended a few days ago. The decision made by the government of Slovenia that only the vaccinated and people who have recovered can come to their job, to their workplace, that this decision by the government is unconstitutional.
So it's a huge victory for constitutional rights all over Europe. And this is one of the many court rulings on different levels, constitutional [?], supreme courts, etcetera. And we need much more rulings like this.
So this is a clear confirmation that the laws are still in power, human rights are still in power, but you have to fight, you have to submit a lawsuit, and you have to fight on this legal front, on activist front, on scientific front. And this what we are doing, we will continue to do. Thank you.
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