Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 66

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.     

Comments

[scotlyn]

First a thank you to those who replied to my prayer request post on magic monday, and also to those who prayed anyway, without replying. Thank you to Milkyway, Miow, Violet Cabra, Fra Lupo, St CathAlexandria, and, of course JMG.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/205767.html?thread=36225735#cmt36225735

Secondly an update. The Oil Lady is now at home, and it turns out that she refused the "blood patch procedure", and this for an interesting reason. She had a visit yesterday morning from a new anaesthesiologist, who she had not met before. This doctor confessed that the same thing (cerebrospinal fluid leak following a botched epidural) had happened to her. When the Oil Lady asked whether the doctor had accepted the blood patch procedure, the doctor said, "no, I took the conservative treatment route, and rested at home. It took three weeks, but the leak eventually sealed up." Armed with this advice, my friend decided to go home. She is now on bedrest, with good help (she has three older children, too). But still with the headache, and the leak has not resolved yet.

So, the prayer request still stands, but the situation has altered. In many ways for the better, as she is in her own home. Even though sticking to the task of resting may be more challenging there.

Anyway, all prayers are welcome. As she has herself confirmed to me.

[ecosophia]

More positive energy en route. Her choice seems very sensible to me.

[scotlyn]

Thank you, JMG, for this, and also for the general hosting and moderating of these gatherings. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Prayers for a swift and complete recovery for Oil Lady.

Ron M

[scotlyn]

Thank you so much!

[stcathalexandria]

When we did Bradley birthing classes for our first one, we were giving a business size card with questions to ask medical professionals when they recommend a treatment/intervention -

1. What would you do if you were in my situation?
2. If I do X treatment, what additional outcomes should I be aware of?
3. Would you recommend this intervention for your wife/husband/sister brother?

It sounds like she got the doctor to give her #1. I've never had to ask all three of a doctor to get the full story, but any one of them gets the conversation rolling in a productive direction if asked in a friendly, open way.

More prayers incoming for her and her family!

[scotlyn]

Yes, that sounds a useful way to bring a person's "life knowledge" into the conversation, along with their "book knowledge".

Personally, I think the fact that doctors are human, complete with a unique lived personal history, is such a bonus. I cannot but wonder at those who fancy that an AI could do the job better (or at least more "evidence-based"). ;)

Thank you for your prayers.

[(Anonymous)]

RE. the Oil Lady: I've had two patients who had the blood patch (to treat CSF leak caused by spinal surgery), and both enjoyed dramatic relief from severe headaches without complications. Full disclosure: I've never performed/ordered/advised blood patches, so I haven't acquainted myself with their risks.

If I had a headache from a CSF leak, I would get clarity from the surgeon as to the risks arising from the blood patch versus the risks of complications, or failure to close, from not getting it, and if/when there might be a decision point to throw in the towel and get the procedure. Headaches from CSF leaks are disabling.

BTW, there are even risks (grave ones!) from bed-rest: A former patient of mine was deathly afraid of getting surgery to correct, among other things, a critically narrow spinal canal in her neck, itself secondary to a condition causing her disabling pain. Her pain became so exquisitely sensitive to activity and even movement, that she lay in bed immobile for days. This dense immobility lead to the development of blood clots in her legs (DVT or deep venous thrombosis), which broke off and entered circulation going to her lungs (pulmonary embolism), very nearly killing her. She decided to go for the surgery after all, but had to wait months for the clots to clear up on blood thinners.

--Lunar Apprentice

[scotlyn]

Thank you Lunar Apprentice,
I will be passing on all responses, including yours, which contains much useful information. As the situation develops, one way or another, there will be decisions for her to continue to make. My best, as always!

[(Anonymous)]

Scotlyn, here's a suggestion for Oil Lady that helped me in a similar situation. The advice was given by a Nurse Practitioner. I had intrathecal chemo treatments which are given by injections into the spine so that the drug circulates in the CSF. The first round left me much like your friend and there was mention of a blood patch. It was suggested that I go home and find some way to keep pressure on the injection site as much as possible. The site was in my lower spine and I was spending a lot of time on the couch; I stuck a pillow in the small of my back so that I could feel pressure against the area. I also kept a pillow under my back while in bed. I recovered in about a week. It made sense to me, much like applying pressure to a wound.

A bit of serendipity: found a way relieve the headaches, as pain killers had no effect. Sitting on the couch with my pillow in place, I'd lay over to on my left side keeping my feet and legs in front of me as if sitting upright. Kind of like a sitting side bend. Generally blessed sleep would ensue for at least and hour or three. Bending to the right helped but was less effective. My thoughts and empathy are with her.

[scotlyn]

Thank you. I will pass on this, and all comments on this thread, to her, and I'm sure she will appreciate the information different people are sending to her in here!

[kimberlysteele]

I will sing some prayers to the gods for her.

[scotlyn]

Thank you, Kimberly. Your lovely voice will travel far, I'm certain of it!

[(Anonymous)]

Good juju en route!

Murmuration

[scotlyn]

Thank you Murmuration!

[ecosophia]

Scotlyn, thanks for the edit. That's a workable way to flag a comment that ended up rescreened, and until Dreamwidth fixes its software, something like that's helpful.

[scotlyn]

No worries, and thank you. I realise it may have been a timing thing, too. I may have come and refreshed my screen just as you were mid-screening a new bunch. Still, I know it's just a thing, and will do the same if I see it happen again. :)

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

Scotlyin, I'll add the Oil Lady to my morning prayers. Congratulations to her on a so-far successful birth!