Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 174

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Schools Can Force-Vaccinate Children Against Parents’ Wishes, State Supreme Court Rules

https://slaynews.com/news/court-rules-schools-force-vaccinate-children-against-parents-wishes/

[(Anonymous)]

Forced vaccination is a form of violence. State-sanctioned violences were reserved for extreme situations, but if it is made common, I wonder whether the public mood also get more violent as a reaction.

[(Anonymous)]

'Significant' numbers of undiagnosed HIV and Hepatitis found in Midlands hospitals

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2024-12-01/opt-out-testing-finds-significant-levels-of-hiv-and-hepatitis-in-the-midlands

[(Anonymous)]

‘End in sight’ to talks on pandemic treaty, says WHO chief

https://insiderpaper.com/end-in-sight-to-talks-on-pandemic-treaty-says-who-chief/

[(Anonymous)]

"Jay Bhattacharya, Trump’s Pick to Head the NIH, Is a Eugenicist Charlatan"

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/12/jay-bhattacharya-trumps-pick-to-head-the-nih-is-a-eugenicist-charlatan.html

This is precious from our supercilious friends at nakedcapitalism. Lambert, the sidekick of the blog host, is a complete hack, who supported everything from masks to forced vaccination and still wants people to wear N95 masks. (why not N100 plastic bags over head? :) ).

Interestingly, in the comment section, he got politely slapped by biochem professor KLG but was too dull to realize it. KLG wrote -

"But something left out of most of the commentary regarding SARS-CoV-2 is that scientists have known (or should have known) that durable immunity to coronaviruses has been elusive for more than 70 years, since the first avian bronchitis virus was described. ABV is a coronavirus and from what I have been able to learn (others certainly know a lot more than I do) the poultry industry (sic) has yet to develop an effective vaccine for it. There is no good reason to expect something different for a human coronavirus."


Basically KLG told Lambert that his article was based on a false premise that vaxxes would work.

Keystone Light is decent

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for posting this. I appreciated Naked Capitalism since the 2008 days so I tolerated their hardline old-time religion Branch Covidian freakshow tendencies. But I'm done with them now. Covid wrecked the intellects of Yves and Lambert.

[(Anonymous)]

The House COVID Committee has released its final report after a 2-year investigation.

MAJOR FINDINGS:
- The NIH funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab.
- The Constitution can't be suspended in times of crisis.
- COVID emerging from a lab leak is "not a conspiracy theory."
- EcoHealth and Dr. Peter Daszak should "never again" receive taxpayer funds.
- Public health officials have lost the trust of the people.
- Trump's Operation Warp Speed was a success.
- The COVID response was "rampant" with fraud, waste and abuse.
- "The prescription cannot be worse than the disease," lockdowns had horrific consequences.

https://nitter.poast.org/EricLDaugh/status/1863653926203019384#m

AFTER ACTION REVIEW OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC:
The Lessons Learned and a Path Forward

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT.pdf

[(Anonymous)]

If the vaccines have killed more people than covid, why was Operation Warp Speed deemed a "success"?

domain issues

[(Anonymous)]

Link to marketing wank that argues by authority the case that most drug research is fatally flawed due to multiple factors in study design and competence with statistics.

I lived this professionally- learned these numbers as a result of investing in this area.

Background material.


https://www.statsols.com/articles/why-do-phase-iii-clinical-trials-fail

On Medical Liberty

[(Anonymous)]

"The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. Each is the proper guardian of his own health, whether bodily, or mental and spiritual. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest." -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

Saw this straight away as I start reading some of the background material as mentioned on the other blog.

Eagle Fang Warrior 5000

Fermented foods

[(Anonymous)]

iridescent scintillating elver - following up about sauerkraut from last thread. I just made my first sauerkraut too so I’ll find out how it went soon. As to your question, I’m not sure, I just followed the recipe. Perhaps others have advice as to what to do if not enough liquid. The recipe i have says mix one cabbage, 1 tbs caraway seeds , 1 tablespoon sea salt, 4 tbs whey or add additional 1 tbs salt, pound until juices come the surface. Mix and put into quart sized mason jar and pound until juices come to the top. I didn’t need to add extra liquid. Best of luck with your experimenting!
Tamar

Re: Fermented foods

[(Anonymous)]

Actually small correction - mix cabbage, caraway, salt and whey (or more salt) in bowl and pound for 10 minutes, then put into quart sized mason jar and pound until juices come to the surface.
-t

[tamanous2020]

https://oversight.house.gov/release/final-report-covid-select-concludes-2-year-investigation-issues-500-page-final-report-on-lessons-learned-and-the-path-forward/

The house oversight committee just released it's final Covid Report. While I haven't read the full thing, you'll find that the summary showcases many of the same opinions as this forum.

[(Anonymous)]

It is amazing to see. I profoundly disagree about the "vaccines saved lives" part. But in all, wow. It's a sea-change.

NZ admits mandate failure

[(Anonymous)]

Official NZ royal commission admits failure of the mandates, and the huge debt levels incurred by covid.
https://www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz/

It also states that those opposed to the vaccine had valid and entirely reasonable points, and never should have been treated the way they were.

That's just the first phase, the second phase, run by different commissioners is supposed to look into the medical components in much greater detail.

Incidentally,this current royal commission was set up by the outgoing government,and has heavily criticised them. The second round is setup by the new government.

It's interesting how something of normal service over it all, with even official inquiries able to look into it

[(Anonymous)]

What? I didn't even know companies could legally drop money into congressmen... I am sure there might be reasons for that, but it seems plain corruption to me...

[scotlyn]

I've always thought it would be a good idea to require politicians appearing at public functions to display their sponsors' logos on their clothing, like footballers. It would allow people to keep their likely priorities in full view, when listening to the words they pronounce.

[eddieosh]

I see the select subcommittee report is out. Will take some time to digest the 500+ pages.
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT.pdf

Letting go, moving on

[(Anonymous)]

I have been thinking recently about the idea of emotions needing to flow, to be released rather than bottled up.

For the last couple of years, up until recently, I was working full-time at a physically demanding job. I liked that it kept me busy and tired me out too much to feel all the feelings about the pandemic that seemed too huge to handle. That worked for a time, but then the feelings started just popping up in the middle of the night when I was trying to sleep. And then I became physically and emotionally ill from lack of sleep and from carrying that emotional burden around, so much so that it became necessary to quit my job and take some time to just rest and reorient.

I started reading David R. Hawkins' book 'Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender'. He says the solution is deceptively simple: when you feel an unpleasant emotion, relax, feel it fully, let it flow through you and out of you. Resisting it only makes it stronger.

This post by Midwestern Doctor advocates much the same attitude:
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/emotional-health-in-the-age-of-disconnection

And this fits well with the approach used in the Octagon Society exercises promoted by our host.

Has anyone else benefited from these writings, or from this general approach to emotions? I just wanted to share what is starting to make sense to me, and to hear of others' successes.

Dylan

Re: Letting go, moving on

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Dylan,
Yes, I very much have benefited from this approach of making contact with emotions, seeing what their message is, feeling them and then moving on. I have also had to take time off as a result of a backlog of unprocessed emotions. You might also like "The Body Keeps The Score" by Bessel van der Kolk and "The Body Bears the Burden" by Robert Scaer.

[walt_f]

I'm probably the 20th commenter to post this, but just in case, copied from the end of the previous thread:

Issued December 4 (tomorrow?!), the Final Report of the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic Committee on Oversight and Accountability, U.S. House of Representatives.

"During a time of intense partisanship, the Select Subcommittee had bipartisan consensus across multiple topics.

1) The possibility that COVID-19 emerged because of a laboratory or research related accident is not a conspiracy theory.

2) EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. and Dr. Peter Daszak should never again receive U.S. taxpayer dollars.

3) Scientific messaging must be clear and concise, backed by evidentiary support, and come from trusted messengers, such as frontline doctors treating patients.

4) Public health officials must work to regain America's trust; Americans want to be educated, not indoctrinated..."

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT.pdf

[(Anonymous)]

Re: "Public health officials must work to regain America's trust; Americans want to be educated, not indoctrinated..."

I don't know about anybody else, but this US citizen wouldn't want any "education" from the health authorities for another million years, thank you very much.

Only $9M in 24 years?

[fredsmith11]

I always thought ol' Joe had a better eye for the $ than a measly $270K a year from Pharma.

He'd be pulling at least 10x that out of Ukraine.

Re: Only $9M in 24 years?

[(Anonymous)]

That is joe’s official income. If you like to make an unofficial donation, please contact Hunter. Make sure to backdate your check to anytime between 2014-2024 to avoid criminal investigation.

Database details...

[(Anonymous)]

I googled the headline from the meme - looks to be 6 years old (!). The latest numbers are worse (surprise, surprise)

Harris, Kamala (D) $9,513,598
Biden, Joe (D) $9,098,143
Obama, Barack (D) $6,021,813
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $4,601,173
Romney, Mitt (R-UT) $3,356,587

From: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?code=H04&cycle=All&ind=H04&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U

Re: Database details...

[(Anonymous)]

That would irk scuzzball Joe to no end I'm sure. Kamala worth more to the Injection Masters than he his glorious self.

Ecosophia Prayer List

[tunesmyth]

Hey all, it's been a while for me to drop in on the Covid open threads. I hope everyone is doing well as can be.

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At this link is the full list of all of the requests for prayer that have recently appeared at ecosophia.net and ecosophia.dreamwidth.org, as well as in the comments of the prayer list posts. Please feel free to add any or all of the requests to your own prayers.

If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below and/or in the comments at the current prayer list post.

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This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.

May Jennifer, whose pregnancy has entered its third trimester, have a safe and healthy pregnancy, may the delivery go smoothly, and may her baby be born healthy and blessed.

May Quin's father Bob in Austin, whose aortic stent procedure went smoothly, heal quickly from the procedure, and may his health improve over the long term as a result.

May Charlie the cat, who has been extremely sick and vomiting but whose owners can't afford an expensive vet visit, be blessed, protected, and healed.

May Scotlyn's friend Fiona, who has been in hospital since early October with what is a diagnosis of ovarian cancer, be blessed and healed, and encouraged in ways that help her to maintain a positive mental and spiritual outlook.

May Annette have a successful resolution for her kidney stones, and a safe and easy surgery to remove the big one blocking her left kidney.

May Peter Evans in California, who has been diagnosed with colon cancer, be completely healed with ease, and make a rapid and total recovery.

May baby Gigi, who may be suffering from side effects of medication prescribed during pregnancy, be healed, strengthened and blessed. May her big brother Francis also be blessed and remain in excellent health.

May May Jennifer and Josiah, their daughter Joanna, and their unborn daughter be protected from all harmful and malicious influences, and may any connection to malign entities or hostile thought forms or projections be broken and their influence banished.

May Ram, who is facing major challenges both legal and emotional with a divorce and child custody dispute, be blessed with the clarity of thought, positive energy, and the inner strength to continue to improve the situation.

May FJay peacefully birth a healthy baby at home with her loved ones. May her postpartum period be restful and full of love and support. May her older child feel surrounded by her love as he adapts to life as a big brother and may her marriage be strengthened during this time.

May all living things who have suffered as a consequence of Hurricanes Helene and Milton be blessed, comforted, and healed.

May Giulia (Julia) in the Eastern suburbs of Cleveland Ohio be healed of recurring seizures and paralysis of her left side and other neurological problems associated with a cyst on the right side of her brain and with surgery to treat it.

May Corey Benton, whose throat tumor has grown around an artery and won't be treated surgically, be healed of throat cancer.

May Kyle's friend Amanda, who though in her early thirties is undergoing various difficult treatments for brain cancer, make a full recovery; and may her body and spirit heal with grace.

Lp9's hometown, East Palestine, Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people, animals and all living beings in and around East Palestine, and to improve the natural environment there to the benefit of all.

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Re: Ecosophia Prayer List

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you Tunesmyth. This is time consuming and valuable work. Thank you for your time and care.

[(Anonymous)]

BREAKING: United Healthcare CEO Fatally Shot in Chest Outside Hotel in Midtown Manhattan

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/breaking-united-healthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-chest-outside/

someone with a healthcare grudge maybe..?

[stubborn_ass]

I saw the video on twitter. Obviously a hit with a silencer and he made sure the job was 'completed'.

I have not advocated for violence against the system, as it still has enough obvious power that it would just make an example of any dissident. It's much more effective to push back quietly and unobstrusively out in the shadows, information exchanged face to face, so that useful modes of circumventing the lockdown restrictions and such can be shared, but not sent via social media/messenging platforms that are monitored and then the loopholes are quickly closed down.

However years ago, I remember reading the short story by Cory Doctorow - recommended on the main blog or the old archdruid one quite a few years ago... where an aggrieved father whose daughter was denied critical care due to a medical insurer decision subsequently died. At first lots of venting via online forums, finding huge support among others who have or were experiencing the same... at some point, he took it upon himself to go after the responsible medical insurer company official(s), knowing that he would either be killed or captured for sure. One incident alone - the effetes can still pretend to be safe in the bubbles. When more fathers decided to sacrifice themselves, panic starts to percolate among the C-level ranksof the big pharma/medical industry. We've had decades of egregious behavior from them with no real punishment except for minor slaps on wrists. Of course they sneer down on us plebs. End point of the story, in order to stop more copycat 'incident', the rule of law is finally applied to big pharma/medical insurers. So big fairy tale, or possible path out that is developing? Definitely bears watching.

[(Anonymous)]

a meme someone made..

https://xcancel.com/LibertyCappy/status/1864273444499488903#m

[(Anonymous)]

AMAZING NEWS.

Citizen journalism and grassroots activism works, when we have a free speech platform.

After days of massive engagement around the fact that Norway's two biggest milk producers have been covertly putting milk from cows given BOVAER into their normal products, and stating they intend to give this to ALL cows, Q dairies backed down today!

They are ENDING ALL USE OF METHANE INHIBITORS IN FEED!

This was achieved without Norwegian mainstream media reporting one word on this. They were too busy reporting on orange man being bad, war being good, and climate being in crisis.

Now it's time for all Norwegians who are not asleep to BOYCOTT TINE, who as late as yesterday doubled down and said they would put BOVAER in ALL FEED within a couple of years.

Big shoutout to independent media espenteigen and documentno who listened to the loud voice of the people, and reported well on it!

https://xcancel.com/hodlonaut/status/1864267990792860148#m

[scotlyn]

You can see the data sheet for Bovaer(r) 10 on page 4 at this link -https://www.fda.gov/media/178913/download

What fascinates me is that it is practically a "[NO] DATA SHEET"...

And I quote:
Data supporting effectiveness has been evaluated when fed for no more than 105 days. Methane gas emissions were measured for individual animals. Data ***were not evaluated*** at the herd, farm, or larger scale. Data ***were not evaluated*** for other gas emissions. Milk production, feed efficiency, and milk solids ***have not been evaluated***.

Caution: Do not feed undiluted. For use in feed for lactating dairy cows only. Not for use in dry dairy cows, bulls, replacement heifers or bulls, growing cattle, or other ruminant species because ***safety and effectiveness have not been evaluated*** in these animals.
End Quote.

*** *** emphasis marks added by me.

It seems the "data supporting effectiveness [and safey]" presented to the FDA was scant to the point of vanishing!

[borealbear]

Huh, I'm kind of embarrassed I somehow managed to miss this. Then again, I don't read Document.no and don't agree with much of their other politics, but good on them for keeping on top of this if true. I usually don't buy too many Tine products anyway, but I'll keep this in mind.

[(Anonymous)]

Over 300 pages of evidence from the CDC show that vaccines cause autism
Recently, I received a treasure trove of documents from a source inside the CDC showing they've known for over 20 years that Wakefield was right: vaccines cause autism.

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/over-300-pages-of-evidence-from-the

[(Anonymous)]

HERE WE GO! Vaccine researcher Peter Hotez says multiple viruses will be unleashed on America the day after Trump takes office

“We have some big picture stuff coming down the pike starting on January 21st.”

https://x.com/breaking911/status/1864402215806361719

now how would he know all that..?

[(Anonymous)]

Is it just me, or does he have partial facial paralysis? The left side of his mouth doesn't seem to move much. Wasn't that a noted side effect of the magic juice?

[(Anonymous)]

ON MONDAY November 25 an international group of politicians, leading medical and other professionals, supported by Professor Francis Boyle, author of the US ‘Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorist Act of 1989’, wrote to the heads of state of ten European countries, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Greenland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom, calling for a suspension of modified mRNA vaccines citing serious health concerns.

As the newly formed North Group they sent the letter as a ‘notice of extreme concern’ regarding excessive levels of residual DNA identified in Australian vaccine samples that confirmed similar findings from France, Germany, Canada, and the USA. Their notice warned that the introduction of foreign DNA into cells via lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) may damage human DNA leading to genomic instability, cancer and other extremely serious conditions.

https://www.northgroup.info/pdfs/NORTH_Group_Letter-2024-11-25.pdf

not a peep from the lamestream of course. i have fun these days by deliberately visiting rags like the guardian from URLs like the above one, just to let them know their censorship efforts are failing.

speaking of censorship, i don't think any of us knew quite how bad things have become...this is a joe rogan interview of mike benz detailing that, long but interesting, especially regarding covid psyops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJhQpvlkLA

Vitamin C

[(Anonymous)]

In proof that the medical establishment and media really have a memory of about 10 seconds...

Headline on fox news "Pancreatic cancer patient survival doubled with high dose of common vitamin, study finds
High-dose vitamin C added to chemo could benefit cancer patients, researcher says"

Which reminded me of Linus Pauling always being made fun of by experts in medicine. But there was at least an article in the NYTs... in 1976.

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/30/archives/pauling-study-suggests-vitamin-c-prolongs-lives-of-cancer-patients.html