I had the pleasure today of spending two and a half hours in a Zoom conversation with Nick Land, post-postmodernist philosopher and occultist, the man who bridges the gap between Situationism and sorcery. Land, for those who haven't followed him, was the leading figure in CCRU, the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit, which started out as an academic project at Warwick University, England, and promptly went zooming out into the far reaches, pursuing a splintered vision of reality which out-Cyberpunked the Cyberpunk movement in science fiction while simultaneously blending in great dollops of post-Marxist political economy, avant-garde philosophy, weird fiction, and occultism. These days Land's writings are extremely popular among Silicon Valley tech bros and the more abstruse end of the Chaos magic scene.
It would be hard to find two serious occult thinkers these days whose ideas have less in common than Land and me. Fortunately both of us have the massively unfashionable habit of being able to disagree without being a jerk about it, so we had a fine lively discussion that covered a great deal of ground, and we'll be doing another podcast conversation as soon as it's mutually convenient. Kudos to James Ellis of the Hermitix podcast, who got the ball rolling, and Michael Downs and Bryce Nance of The Dangerous Maybe podcast for making it happen. You can take it in on Youtube
here.
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ecosophia
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Date: 2026-03-15 05:54 am (UTC)Many people think that the kind of occultist oppression might come from the Candace crowd, but certainly banning the other branches of Christianity makes the Zionist Evangelist also a more likely candidate, or it can be a runaway where this is just the first salvo where each of the religions ban each other...
https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/pete-hegseths-pastor-wants-to-ban
As an example what make ISIS stand out about the Islamic is that it considers the other Muslims as fair game. That kind of phenomenon may get amplified.
The Zionist Evangelist, dispensionalists are also more ideologically close together than Candace followers.
Well I'll be damned
Date: 2026-03-15 02:41 pm (UTC)Need to go out and purchase some alcohol first.
Re: Well I'll be damned
Date: 2026-03-15 04:27 pm (UTC)Re: Well I'll be damned
Date: 2026-03-17 04:27 pm (UTC)In case other readers find this kind of thing interesting
Date: 2026-03-15 03:28 pm (UTC)https://podcasts.happyscribe.com/the-tucker-carlson-show/the-occult-kabbalah-the-antichrist-s-newest-manifestation-and-how-to-avoid-the-mark-of-the-beast
Since I haven't listened yet, this is not in any ways an endorsement.
Re: In case other readers find this kind of thing interesting
Date: 2026-03-15 04:32 pm (UTC)Re: In case other readers find this kind of thing interesting
Date: 2026-03-15 09:04 pm (UTC)Re: In case other readers find this kind of thing interesting
Date: 2026-03-16 07:46 pm (UTC)It would be absolutely wild for you to do a pod cast with him.
( i can just image you two talking about that time the dude cane to magic mondays asking for your advice because he thought he might have sold his soul to the devil. )
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Date: 2026-03-15 04:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-15 06:36 pm (UTC)So given my experience, personally I don't dismiss there maybe a shady aspect to any of these organisations.
The shady part was in the oral tradition, and it included just a part of these organisations, the books and curses were clean.
Are there all the masonic lodges bad or corrupted or the tantric cults, hardly. These things must be proven for people to crack down on these organisations. People are innocent until proven guilty, organizations need to follow laws.
Similar with Kabbalah there can be a nefarious aspect of it, there is Qliphoth after all, and sometimes secrecy is tempting for some people, we are human after all, and these aspirants have their own faults that maybe amplified or not. This may explain were the word cabal comes from, thing might have happened in the past. Cabal as in mafia.
So if you plan to become crude and violent make sure you know how it ends down the road when you meet other crude and violent people. This is internet and thing get picked up and people cited. There is raspberry gem principle on this comments too.
Just imagine that you become crude and violent with someone that has someone that had a love one damaged by a specific organization. And you both generalize.
I think US is getting two sides pretty fast, I just hope it will not go kinetic.
I follow JMG online from the Peak Oil movement, that movement had a kernel of truth to it. One of the worst scenario in that movement was a blocking of strait of Hormuz, now that it happened people are into a weird mental lull this could bring a dangerous scenario, not apocalyptic, but a small down-step on the staircase of catabolic collapse.
Having witnessed a riot in Romania as a early teenager I can say that best approach is minding your business. Too fearful you get chased, too aggressive you get challenged.
This reminds me of a discussion I had with the late Georg Feurstein over the email, about a article of his where he praised some aspect of tantra and after I presented him some aspect of this tantric sect victims how he realized the pitfalls of some of these neo-tantric groups even if their theory was pretty neat.
Since I kind of standing in a kind of dangerous middle where I can clearly see two sides. I am thinking of retiring from the conversation. I was in a kind of in a bubble anyway when commenting here.
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Date: 2026-03-15 06:41 pm (UTC)I am meaning of ecosophia overall. My English writing has become worse and worse since I don't use it that much now.
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Date: 2026-03-15 08:50 pm (UTC)Correct me if Iâm wrong, since I have only read a handful of his essays, but isnât Nick Land a âaccelerationistâ? Someone who thinks that we should encourage collapse rather than stop it, though i may be thinking of someone else called nick.
J.L.Mc12
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Date: 2026-03-15 11:16 pm (UTC)http://www.ccru.net/swarm1/1_melt.htm
I think he's wrong. Not just a little bit wrong -- utterly, disastrously wrong. He has the same take on my views. The fact remains that he's an interesting cat and the two of us are perfectly able to have a conversation focusing on places where our disagreements aren't total.
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Date: 2026-03-16 02:17 am (UTC)J.L.Mc12
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Date: 2026-03-16 04:02 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-16 04:08 pm (UTC)I read a couple of the late Mark Fisher's books last year. He was a member of the CCRU as well, but his influence has been felt largely in music criticism which was in part why I read him, but also in politics. Your conversation with Land is pretty interesting, an hour into it. Sadie Plant, author of The Most Radical Gesture: The Situationist International in a Postmodernist Age was also involved in the CCRU. Interesting group of people, even as you said, you don't agree. I didn't agree with a lot of the points Fisher was making even as I share some of his taste in music... but it gave me a thrust block and lots of writing ideas.
-JPM
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Date: 2026-03-17 05:34 pm (UTC)Retroactively Haunted by Hauntology
Date: 2026-03-17 06:12 pm (UTC)I think you are right about grappling with nucking futty ideas from intelligent interesting people. After listening to your talk with Land and company yesterday, I was combing through the CCRU archives. I was struck by how some of the occult oriented writing reminded me of Michael Bertiaux, but different. I wouldn't be surprised if Bertiaux was an influence on some of that material... the way they talk about Lovecraft, Lemuria, etc. reminds me of that, but also too of Grant and his Typhonian stuff, who was also the big booster of Bertiaux. Since they were in England it wouldn't surprise me if that strain of occult tradition was an influence.
JPM
Best end times sign ever!
Date: 2026-03-15 09:41 pm (UTC)Re: Best end times sign ever!
Date: 2026-03-15 11:22 pm (UTC)Start a podcast
Date: 2026-03-15 10:53 pm (UTC)Re: Start a podcast
Date: 2026-03-15 11:24 pm (UTC)Re: Start a podcast
Date: 2026-03-16 12:26 am (UTC)Re: Start a podcast
Date: 2026-03-16 11:32 pm (UTC)In the words of Admiral Ackbar: "It's a trap".
Being a guest is one thing, but hosting your own is another. Keep writing and just have pleasant conversations with other people on their dime.
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Date: 2026-03-15 11:05 pm (UTC)I am going to say something which I don't in any way want it to be taken the wrong way, because it applies to ALL of us in different spheres of life.
I think it's possible you are somewhat naive? or perhaps uninformed about what is going on in internet land about the 'Occult' aaargh!
Huge swathes of the public, and in this case more so the right leaning side see that word as equal to all the evil that happens in this world.
I have seen it steadily increase over the last 5 or 6 years, as well as a lagging increase in people talking about decline and or collapse that would have NEVER considered it only a few years prior.
Lumped into that category is of course the Freemasons, Jesuits and Cabala. No explanation is really given about exactly why and because of what I learned from your forums JMG, I can see that they usually don't know the first thing about any of them.
But the fact is the seeds have been sown, and are sprouting in the brains of a lot of angry people.
One of the latest is Professor Jiang and his predictive history who is blowing up the internet right now, due to his predictions for the war on Iran.
I have been listening to him for about a year or more already so I was already familiar with his thesis. Back then, his timeline for some events was a little different, but over all pretty much the same.
Anyway, one of his talks includes those above three groups - yes I know Cabala isn't a group, but that's just a detail - it's going into the minds of a lot of people. A scapegoat[s]! Yeh!
He has got a lot correct, but to me so much was obvious anyway, being the geopolitics junkie and listener of Chris Brennan's astrology podcast for many years now.
I actually think he may be a CCP agent provocateur. Some of the things he says about China, which is not a lot, and are not necessarily accurate, lead me to believe he has been give permission to say them.
Re Orange Julius, I am not surprised we are where we are, I consider him one more puppet for the special interests that actually set policy in the US. They have just given him a bit longer leash due to his temperament. Anyway, thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.
I would also suggest for those who don't mind video to check out Brian Berletic at his The New Atlas channel where he lays out in meticulous detail, 'Continuity of Agenda'. I've watched hime for a number of years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFEQCEOZbnI&t=6s
Day 15: Yes, the US DOES Have a Plan - Spanning Decades with Implications Far Beyond Iran
And of course to throw a giant spanner in the works is of course Rolo Slavsky / Rurik Skywalker / Christwalker - he keeps changing his moniker, who believes everything is fake!
I cam to him via a poster here.
And Armstrong economics and his Pi cycles. I'll stop here!
Regards,
Helen in Oz where we are possibly days or weeks away from fuel rationing.
Not surprised as we are down to two refineries and import about 90%.
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Date: 2026-03-15 11:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-16 03:03 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-17 05:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-15 11:50 pm (UTC)The other week I asked about the Ingress chart and the Military in the sixth house / Jupiter in Cancer - I think I have that right.
Could that perhaps indicate an expansion in military activity, ie 'boots on the ground"? Are there any other aspects in the chart that would indicate whether this would be successful or not?
Assuming that that's what it could mean of course.
I suppose you are well aware of the Astrological timing to Iran and the fall of Mohammad Mosaddegh, The Shah install and fall and the revolution leading to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini to now and the latest turmoil of leadership?
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Date: 2026-03-16 01:38 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-16 05:08 am (UTC)I hope I'm not being a pest, I just came across this X account, here's a link to a recent post.
I think it jives with your recent thesis as to what Trump's strategy is - or his handlers' anyway.
We the plebs really are just pawns on the chessboard...
He believes back channel negotiations where everyone gets to save some face are underway and his estimated timeframe of a conclusion is about 30 days.
https://xcancel.com/EvanWritesOnX/status/2032914469941080218#m
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Date: 2026-03-17 05:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-16 01:18 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-16 01:37 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-16 02:49 am (UTC)I'm looking forward to this one. Nick makes the right kind of wrong people foam at the mouth, but I've always found him pleasant enough a speaker and he always makes me think.
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Date: 2026-03-16 02:55 am (UTC)https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/philosopherszone/move-fast-break-everything-nick-land-and-accelerationism/106341136
J.L.Mc12
Acceleration Point
Date: 2026-03-16 02:32 pm (UTC)I will be curious to listen!
Wow
Date: 2026-03-16 04:28 pm (UTC)Just finished this. I followed Land's old blog on and off years ago. Found it cool that his son actually follows you and sides with your take more than his own father haha, and Land has actually engaged with your work quite a bit as well, which shows in this conversation.
Re: Wow
Date: 2026-03-17 05:39 pm (UTC)Nick Land
Date: 2026-03-17 04:01 pm (UTC)As chance would have it, I know Nick Land a little. We have met in person several times over the past 20 off years, and I know his wife and especially his brother in law very well. Last time I saw him we had a very long conversation (maybe a couple hours) about your work, primarily about your thoughts on catabolic collapse and the ongoing decline you've been pointing out for years. It was several years ago now (pre Covid I am fairly sure) and I don't remember the specifics as all I was trying to do was just relay information I had taken in from you, but it was amusing to me and probably the most I've ever spoken to him.
I haven't read much of Nick's writing as I was never sure what to make of it, I found it both quite confusing and I got a general vibe off the ideas I didn't like (I'm perhaps a bit of a boring Christian when you get down to it), but he's obviously always been interesting. As a side note, he once borrowed a Rosicrucian book on Lumeria off my dad!
Looking forward to listening to this discussion later!
Thanks,
Johnny
Re: Nick Land
Date: 2026-03-17 05:44 pm (UTC)Re: Nick Land
Date: 2026-03-17 06:05 pm (UTC)Just one of the basic AMORC publications. I'm assuming his brother in law saw it at my parents' apartment when we were hanging out, because I didn't know of it before the request came in to borrow it. My friend was reading Carlos Castaneda around then, and my dad had a huge collection of his books, so I might have shown them to him at some point, and he might have noticed the Lumeria book in there.
I have no idea if he found anything of value in it, but there may be traces, as you say!
Thanks,
Johnny
Re: Nick Land
Date: 2026-03-17 06:46 pm (UTC)When you mentioned avant-garde science fiction I wanted to ask, was "Report of Probability A" by Brian Aldiss one of the novels you read by chance? I had a very strange experience with it, I found it honestly an awful read (I think Aldiss himself described it as an "anti-novel"), I remember thinking, when I was done it, that it felt like somebody had smashed my brain in with a hammer, but I must admit it has permamnently stayed with me.
The premise of the novel was that they had found a portal to another universe, and the book was a series of reports about it that some upper management type was reading over, but, because this was a universe that seemed just like Earth, but was not, no detail could be taken for granted, and so these reports would just describe out simple everyday things as if they weren't obvious. In terms of plot, literally next to nothing happens, it's just reams of pointless details that require effort to piece together, just to arrive at "oh yes, this is a table they are describing". What it did for me was illustrate just how much we take all of this for granted, and that an attempt to be strictly "scientific" or properly detached when trying to understand the world, or whatever, just isn't possible, or even the least bit desireable.
I don't think I would have come to that had I not thought about it in this way for howeever many days it took me to read the thing, so I do recommend it to people. Also it has one of the biggest laughs I've ever encountered in a book, had me laughing out lound on the bus.
Thanks,
Johnny
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Date: 2026-03-18 11:45 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2026-03-18 12:37 pm (UTC)Conversation
Date: 2026-03-19 08:46 pm (UTC)This was really terrific, I hope you two do this again too. I loved how you two would get each other going, I thought this was very interesting. Particularly enjoyed the way you siggested a synthesis of your visions, an increasingly sophisticated technological world that was increasingly detached from the regular economy and real world.
Also, as you pointed out, amazing to see how both you and Nick were able to discuss things without anything degenerating into even an argument. I really liked how he would table topics as being unproductive without disrespecting your postition, just recognizing that your viewpoints were different in a way that wasn't resolvable in the shortterm, and so would be time wasted in this opportunity. It's obvious that however much he disagrees with you, he has tremendous respect for you, and wants to be able to benefit from it. A lot to be learned here, really.
Also as a follower of yours I thought you got into interesting territories, maybe partially because Nick's frame of reference is different from others I've heard talk to you, but also he's so well read himself. It is great to see you on camera too! It was reminding me of when I first learned about you and it was common to see videos of you online.
Thanks,
Johnny
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Date: 2026-03-19 09:26 pm (UTC)