Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102
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ecosophia
As we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2023-07-18 05:00 pm (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below or in the comment section of the page linked at the start of this comment.
This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.
Steve T's brother Matt is currently in the hospital after a sudden violent seizure, and his daughter is having extreme panic attacks; they were both in a terrible car accident last fall. Steve asks for prayers for Matt's recovery of health; for the emotional and psychological well-being of the rest of the family, including his wife Megan, his daughter Diana, and his young son Jake; and for the lifting of any spiritual harm afflicting the family.
Oilman2 has survived cancer and is learning to adjust to a rebuilt colon and learning how to walk again; for healing energies, for robust fitness in his new physical circumstances, and for him to remain cancer free.
Tamanous's friend's brother David got in a terrible motorcycle accident and has been diagnosed as a quadriplegic given the resultant spinal damage; for healing and the positive outcomes of upcoming surgeries and rehabilitation, specifically towards him being able to walk and live a normal life once more.
Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. Lp9 gives updates here and most recently here, and says "things are a bit... murky", and the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are still warranted.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
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Date: 2023-07-21 05:47 pm (UTC)Please feel free to edit my phrasing. You might also take a look at the FAQ if you haven't already. The main point if like to stress is that the way to ensure somebody with long term issues remains on the list is to send updates about once a month. Good luck to BP!
The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:01 pm (UTC)I realized early on in the vaccination process that there was a spiritual component to the decisions people were making, and that those choosing not to be vaccinated often seemed to have strong spiritual beliefs that grounded their choice.
For myself though, I framed it as an evidence-based decision, and was not inclined to take the shot because the evidence was clearly not in. As well, psychological factors predisposed me to take a pass on it: Zero faith in authority, and a high level of innate non-conformism, made my initial vaccine 'hesitancy' a natural stance.
Here in British Columbia the hammer started to come down hard in the Fall of ’21, with coercive mandates preventing the unclean from mixing with the clean. By this point the unvaccinated were banned from entering most businesses, travelling on airplanes or trains, holding most jobs, or crossing international borders. I weighed the pros and cons, and thought "Well, OK, I don’t trust it, but this will get really ugly in a lot of ways if I don’t get the shot, and hey… why should I be right this time, when my concerns are usually overblown?" So I scheduled an appointment to get the shot.
Woke up the day of the appointment with immense clarity that I COULD NOT do this thing, no matter what the cost. There was something at stake that went beyond all the pros and cons, risks and rewards. Something absolutely fundamental – It literally felt more fundamental than life and death.
An aphorism from a novel I read decades ago – "Person must not do what person cannot do." – came to mind, and that is how it sat.
I discussed it with my wife, and we both chose not to take the shots. As hard as it got, and as dark as it looked – and in the winter of ’22 the outlook for the unvaccinated here in Canada was very, very, dark – we never hesitated and never wavered. Our choice was made.
I wonder… did some others here have this kind of moment of deep radical clarity at some point in your decision? Or was it different for you, with your choice arising out of either rational analysis or existing spiritual foundations, or a mix of both, with no 'revelation' needed?
Share your story, if you will!
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:51 pm (UTC)From then on I did the opposite of conventional “wisdom”
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Date: 2023-07-18 10:02 pm (UTC)As a rule of thumb, I figure that if I see everybody going one way, I should consider going the other way. Not always the best idea, but it works out in my favor more often than not.
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Date: 2023-07-19 04:31 pm (UTC)At least I don't have to waste my time and energy trusting authority figures and experts anymore. Life does get better when one knows to keep their distance from morally bankrupt thugs.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-22 11:49 pm (UTC)Then, I truly seemed to be the outsider and strange. Now I see how strange "normal" is
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Date: 2023-07-22 02:43 pm (UTC)I used to not have very much TV options growing up and watched tape recorded episodes of Star Trek TNG. There's an episode where basically everyone but Riker gets 'addicted' to this brain washing game (looks a lot like google glasses!) and he ends up 'alone' but still surrounded by all the people. I always found that the scariest thing. The parallels between the initial 'You should try this it's awesome' to 'we're tired of you not complying' to Riker being chased through the ship by all the rest of his former 'friends' trying to get him to try the brain washing game and the way the 'vexination' pressure from Society unfolded was incredible.
I owe that episode's writers a lot of thanks ... I would recommend it for those who watch TV and have 44+ minutes to kill. Stuart Cram
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Date: 2023-07-18 05:59 pm (UTC)When the Covid business began, I didn't think of the prediction. I simply watched what was happening. I don't use mainstream medicine -- I've had too many people I care about killed or hurt by incompetent doctors and toxic medicines -- so I wasn't particularly interested in the vaccine in the first place. It was watching people's brains turn off, watching them forget everything they claimed to believe about the problems with corporate modern medicine, that convinced me that there was something profoundly sick going on, and it wasn't the Covid virus.
Then my wife and I got Covid. We treated it with bed rest and biochemic cell salts; I was back on my feet, feeling fine, in a matter of days. My wife had her usual post-viral syndrome -- her immune system is kind of a mess -- but she got better at the usual pace. We both agreed that we've had colds that were worse, and that there was zero reason to take an inadequately tested experimental vaccine.
It was only later, in the late spring of 2021, that I realized what had happened. I spoke with the same entity and said, "The vaccine was the mistake, right?" She said, "Yes. You paid attention, and avoided it."
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:30 pm (UTC)But something strange happened an inner voice kept pestering me , something a long the lines of what's the big deal just get ,you can travel again and see your family.It happened a few times.
The strange thing is ,I don't have an inner monologue like that ,it didn't come from me and didn't sound right. And shortly after my family piled on the pressure,my sister's ,my parents.
I really hope Gerry vanden Bossche is wrong.
I don't care of he admits it.
My entire family is vaccinated.
I'm becoming more and more worried and the uncertainty is hitting me hard.
I saw a post about astrology the other day ,not my field of expertise. It was something about the north node being 29 degree to Aries , apparently when that last happened we got Chernobyl and lots of other disasters.
Kind regards
Sean
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Date: 2023-07-18 11:10 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:31 am (UTC)I expect Gert may be right, in which case my vaxxed up relatives need to get through a flu that might take them to the hospital-- without going to the hospital. Anyway, this could happen, I mean, they could get a bad flu anytime, even if Gert is wrong.
I take Gert's recommendation to keep antivirals on hand, and also, as ever, I have some supplements and, in the freezer, individual portions of my homemade chicken soup and also, always in my house, fresh lemons. In my personal experience, simple dehydration is what lands many flu victims in the hospital, and this can relatively easily be avoided by drinking lots of chicken broth. And it's best if all that stuff is already in the house, easy to grab and serve.
I don't like canned food, but I keep some canned broth and soups in the pantry, too.
I think with good care, many people will make it through a bad flu just fine. But if they don't have food in the pantry, no good medicines, and they get dehydrated, who knows.
CHICKEN SOUP FLOGGER
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Date: 2023-07-18 11:44 pm (UTC)I mean, you would've probably done better if you pulled the eject lever and didn't get it, but that takes courage, to leap into the unknown, especially if you have a wife and kids and mortgage chewing on you. And it was probably - you also had to be good at managing risk, which most people aren't.
Makes you wonder if on another timeline there was another you who did become a test rabbit. Maybe she wasn't seeing the future so much as seeing all the different stories and how they all played out.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 03:04 am (UTC)let me introduce you to joshua dobbs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Dobbs
yes, he's not tom brady, although he was drafted a couple rounds higher than "the best quarterback ever."
and yet he still made literally millions of dollars being a mostly backup. he majored in aerospace engineering in college, and did an internship with nasa while playing professional football.
yep, there's a burger flipper. prolly made more money as a football player than he would have as a scientist, too.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 03:13 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:21 am (UTC)In answer to the question posted above by Dan Bashaw:
Thank you for sharing your story. It gives me heart. I'm not ready to share mine, however I will say that common sense conclusions about what I was actually observing in reality, my education in human biology, and my intuition all started blaring at me that there something deeply weird about covid policies, and that the injections were a really, really, really bad idea, so bad that I would have given up everything to avoid taking them. I understood from the beginning that the injections, "vaccines," so called, were experimental (EUA) and previously known as gene therapy, and I noticed that those two little facts got buried fast on the Internet-- everyone I knew was blithely assuming that the shots were like previous vaccines, fully FDA approved. Then came the pressure, whew, that crazy intense pressure. Man, I think some people would have vaxxed their living room furniture. That just made it even more obvious to me that the shots were something to avoid at all costs.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 06:48 pm (UTC)At the start of Corona, I was between jobs, and able to spend time following the news. The inconsistencies were unbelievable. I still trusted the government back then, so when the Dutch government started to publish Corona statistics I was shocked. The lies were so clear I could not deny them.
The vaccines came out more than a year later. To its credit, the Dutch government did not recommend them, but merely wrote that "a dose is available". Yet friends and families broke apart. The infrastructure to require it as a condition for work was implemented. Yet the threat never seemed substantial. I'm not very courageous, yet I did not get close to taking the vaccine.
Right now I am not even sure if Covid was a bad thing. It allowed shopkeepers who were being out competed by Amazon a decent excuse (and some subsidy) to close their shop. Needless hours on the road were eliminated by remote work. Questionable holiday flights were reduced, at least for while.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:01 pm (UTC)So upgraded my sailboat for potential offshore escape as I survived being the Unclean second class utterly bewildered that my country could become a totalitarian regime. If it hadn't been for Mr Greer's group it would have been much worse for my mental health. I credit the truckers Freedom Convoy for finally getting the laptop class to back off.
I see everyone in a very different and critical light now. The few I trust and care about, my family Clan and to a certain extent y'all in this group.
Longsword
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Date: 2023-07-18 07:41 pm (UTC)(& dear friends in this lovely place)
I think mine has been not so much an epiphany as discovering, like the growing weight of water, trickle by trickle, filling the reservoir behind a dam what part of me has always known, deep down... Like Gandalf seeking to cross the pass of Caradhras, because he knew, deep down, what lay there...
Mine was a slow burn experience (in the UK). Iffy about three weeks to flatten the curve... but then they don't think like or listen to me anyway...
Lockdowns going on and on and on - most I talk to, seem to be in another world (but, looking back, I did not talk like I do now!)
Bit slow on face masks - I was hard on myself when one of my few non-Covidian friends said 'But I thought you would be exempt.' After a couple of months of wearing a mask, I was exempt from the second our conversation ended.
By the time of the vax. No way!
Never, never, never. I started to gear up to lose my job, drop out of society... and then in late 2021 and early 2022 the tide turned...
JMG. Powerful! Thank you for sharing your response to Danbashaw.
Blessings upon all who share love and truth on this webpage, now and all those these last few distraught years. 'All will be well, and all will be well, and all manner of things shall be well.'
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:48 pm (UTC)We too are in BC. It did look scary for us. I was expecting to be hauled off to jail for not taking the shot but I decided jail looked better than the shots. If the shots were safe and effective, why did the Pharmacy companies insist on immunity from prosecution? We didn't take the shots and the neighbours are trying to pretend nothing ever happened.
Maxine
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:57 pm (UTC)So my reasons are similar to those of the rabbi Chananya, who wrote “31 reasons why I won’t take the vaccine.” Also, though I am not Christian nor engaged in any Abrahamic faith, like you I did notice that people with a serious religious commitment tended to be much more resistant to the propaganda. I take it that this is probably because the vaccine is like a sacrament to the religion of scientism and Holy Progress, and these people already have a religion and want none other foisted upon them.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-vaccine/5740534
Kevin
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:03 pm (UTC)I was in Canada too. Working for a big firm in a big city. I did a lot of work that was periferally connected to big pharma. I knew that people had been trying to make mrna happen for a long time, but that the side effects were too great. I knew phama had zero scruples, but there were guardrails to protect people from the most egregious excesses. With the COVID jabs, all the guardrails came off. The biggest tip-offs were the lack of liability and the lie that the lipid nanoparticles would stay in the arm. (Lnps were designed 10+ years ago to cross the blood brain barrier to deliver drugs to fight brain cancer. They go everywhere. They were designed to.)
Morally, I didn't want to take something that used fetal cells in its development. I also felt like taking them would violate the edict to treat the body like a temple.
In the summer of 2021 I still trusted my fellow citizens. When family and friends got angry with us for holding off, I was confused. When my church said shots were required for employment or volunteering I was heartbroken. When my office said they were required for work, I was shocked.
Then I started hearing a voice in my head saying "Go on, just get it. It will just take a minute and then all these problems will go away. You'll be loved again." I felt betrayed by everyone. Even my own intuition.
My husband reads this blog and read me an entry about someone else hearing voices that were saying the similar things as mine and I didn't feel so alone. Then he read JMG's answer - it might be demons whispering in our ears - and I was surprised. And oddly comforted. Demons sounded better than having my intuition be at odds with my logic and morals.
Thinking beyond the material plane also helped make sense of weird behaviour I was noticing. Friends who had not given their kids any vaccines supported these ones. Family members who wouldn't eat a gmo apple were ok with the shots. People who would tell me terrible things pharma had done and then ask me how I could possibly do any work for them, took the shots.
I started praying for protection. Voices stopped telling me to get the shot. In my mind I heard Tom Petty singing "Don't Back Down" instead.
I felt resolute. I hired an employment lawyer. By phone I told my HR person that I would not get the shot. She said she would send paperwork firing me with cause by the end of day. I said I'd forward it to my lawyer. HR sent an email telling me to keep working from home instead.
I decided to endure being ostracized by friends and family. It was -and is still- hard.
Separate from getting the shots, I felt it was important morally not to use a fake vax pass. I didn't want to support violating the Nuremberg code or discrimination based on disease or medical choices.
Fortunately my husband feels the same. We were able to support each other and protect our child.
Heloise
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:45 am (UTC)Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for standing up against this in the way that you did. I am not ready to share my story, however I will say, I really can imagine how hard this has been for you. And I too felt that it was very important not to use a fake certificate.
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Date: 2023-07-18 08:26 pm (UTC)One of the most confounding things about things about Covid is how my church communities have reacted. Many people who have dedicated their lives to serving God said the shots were a miracle and many were willing to discriminate against anyone who didn't comply. We should love our neighbour and do our part. They've got all the shots, will get more, have boosted their kids.
I would have said their spiritual dedication was greater than mine. But they saw truth and miracles and I saw lies and evil.
Heloise
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Date: 2023-07-19 12:31 am (UTC)So it came as a huge shock to me when my father starting talking about people who didn't get the shot were being selfish. Thankfully, he walked that back a bit when he realized my family and I weren't going to budge, and it hasn't impacted our relationship. But they have still been dutifully getting their boosters, despite my misgivings. At this point, I pray for their health, but if they do not want to listen to my advice, I have come to terms with the fact that they are adults and can make their own decisions.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:34 pm (UTC)Long time reader, first time replying because I I appreciated danbashaw's request. I'm a practitioner of Chinese Medicine here in California. In our herbal pharmacopeia, we have herbal formulas to treat the symptoms of viral illnesses, along with all the common sense protocols like rest, fluids, sunshine, etc. Very late 2019/early 2020, news was coming out of Italy and China of pneumonias, particularly in Italy, where it tended to hit the senior population really hard. I remember most of my colleagues early discussing what formulas you would be able to use and when you could use them according to symptoms.
Then, everything went on high lockdown here in March 2020, and most of my colleagues shut their practices completely. I couldn't really understand why, as we had trained and prepared for this. During the downtime, I used to hike with a colleague who for years had railed against big pharma, banks, all of it. Her attitude flipped overnight! When I asked why they were taking the vaxx, in light of their mistrust of big pharma, all they could say was they were afraid of "long covid". We just couldn't get past the fear. And there was no more discussion anywhere about any remedy other than the vaccine.
For me, I think the switch was flipped in the aftermath of the 2016 US presidential election. The hatred and the vitriol that was spewed toward the winner of that election and the people who voted for the president was chilling to witness. At that point, I felt my "higher self/higher guide" message that this was now the time for me to tread the middle and to work to serve the balance. That I was not to buy into hatred or fear or worst case scenario and this was how I was going to come through the next few years. I got a sense at that time, that the intensity surrounding the aftermath of the election was just the beginning. I think it carried forward to not getting the vax, regardless of the pressures or the threat of job loss, etc. And people did stop talking to me, did refuse service,, etc. But I feel like I got super lucky because even though family members chose to get the vax, no one ever was disrespectful or disparaging. I never lost family over it.
But at that point in 2016 and again in 2020-21, I became really aware of treading a middle ground. Thank you
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 09:59 am (UTC)I wonder if you have found it clinically useful to apply concepts related to Blood Stasis, in particular, to some of the sequela of vaccination?
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 05:19 pm (UTC)I have found it very useful to look at the TCM concept of blood in general, in the aftermath of the vaccine. Not only stasis, but also heat and toxin in the blood. In terms of herbs, I like Xiao Chai Hu Tang, to vent the toxin in the shaoyang and assist the liver. Dang Shen, the blood has also been very helpful. Right now, I'm seeing post covid patients with POTS, so it's been a tough needle to thread between moving and clearing, but also with POTS there is a lot of fatigue and general disregulation of the nervous system.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 06:36 pm (UTC)These are:
1) Aging and Blood Stasis, Yan De-Xin, Blue Poppy Press, 1995
2) Pricking the Vessels, Henry McCann, Singing Dragon, 2014
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:51 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 02:44 am (UTC)I had a very similar experience.
I too found the response to Trump's election to be downright chilling. I have never had a high opinion of Donald Trump - I grew up in New York, so Trump was in the local news and on my radar long before he went national, and I was never a fan - but the way people on the left responded to his election was, imo, far more appalling than The Donald himself ever was.
But it was right around the 2016 election that I started getting divination readings telling me to "find the balance" and promote harmony. And I kept getting those same readings when the whole covid debacle started.
I too have been trying to "tread the middle," not by accommodating authoritarian bullies, but by trying to be understanding of how so many people seemed to be caught in a spell, and by trying to build support and connections with people pushing back against forces of hatred and vitriol. I don't always do a good job, but I try.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:41 pm (UTC)Thankfully, my work, despite being a federal contractor, did not enforce the vaccine mandate. I almost hoped they would try, cause I'd love to see them try to deny a Druid a religious exemption. All the rhetoric seemed designed to thwart Christian religious exemptions. I'm sure their heads would have exploded.
-Trubrujah
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 09:24 pm (UTC)More, I'd been living with my MSNBC-watching parents, and so I'd been exposed to the 24/7 shrieking hysteria that comes pouring out of the TV.
So when the professional news harpies started yammering about the new, perfectly safe mRNA shots, I knew immediately that I would not willingly be vaccinated. Fortunately I live in a conservative rural area, so I never faced the same kind of pressure that others did.
My hat is off to the ones who survived the full brunt of the insanity.
-Cliff
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 09:28 pm (UTC)You know why they put oxygen masks on planes?
- So you can breathe.
Oxygen gets you high.
In a catastrophic emergency,
you take giant panic breaths.
Suddenly you become euphoric, docile.
You accept your fate.
It's all right here.
Emergency water landing at 600 mph.
Blank faces. Calm as Hindu cows.
Something about that comment on airplane safety cards and the nature of propaganda made me very wary of the government efforts at compliance. The illusion of safety. When I saw the first posters around town, I had the same reaction Tyler had to those airplane safety cards. Something did not sit well and told me to avoid this at all costs. When it was about to cost me my position at work, I did consider J&J as a last ditch effort but as fate would have it, nothing could change the course I was on, so I stayed committed to be free of this poison. Couldn't do the same for my spouse. I pray it was placebo.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 09:49 pm (UTC)First, congratulations on your bravery and making it through so far. It was bad in the USA, but from what I have heard, it was completely terrible in Canada. Just the quotes from Justin Trudeau were beyond the pale. I know you aren't asking for it, but someone should recognize what you went through and that you stood firm. Respect.
I didn't get the jab and initially I thought that it was because I don't do doctors at all, for anything. After thinking about it though, I was scared during the pandemic. I washed down groceries and put hand sanitizer in the car and at the door and stayed home. So if I really thought a shot would save my life, I might have done the doctor thing. Maybe...
I think the reason that I didn't get the shot is because all of the sudden I was TOLD I had to get the shot. I was told that I would be fired by my work and that I could not see my first grandchild by my daughter unless I got the shot. I realize now, that was probably it. I was TOLD TO... and so of course I refused.
Maybe it was spiritual, maybe it wasn't. I listen to my intuition, to guides that have told me things in the past. But the people in charge? Nope. I don't remember any moment of clarity. I do remember deep, visceral anger and a sense of betrayal. I mean seriously ... no such thing as natural immunity?! It kept getting more stupid and my anger kept getting deeper. And my determination to not get the shot got stronger every day.
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Date: 2023-07-19 10:18 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 09:49 pm (UTC)(2) Alarm - they're lying. Apparently moderna produced the vaccine in a weekend. (Sure.) But everyone knows it's 98% effective. No reasons or evidence given. Emergency Use Authorisation rushed. No thanks.
(3) Then I knew. Started hearing those beautiful singing voices telling me to "just get the shot". Multiple people told me they had their doubts, but "woke up one morning and thought it'll be ok". Long lines of people filling stadiums getting multiple shots. Preventing my youngest son getting in one of those zyklon-b lines has been one of the hardest and most heartfelt fights of my life.
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Date: 2023-07-20 04:48 pm (UTC)Even creepier was a video I saw of people standing in line to get shots, and someone who had collapsed after their shot being taken out on a stretcher right in front of them, and the people just STAYED IN LINE to get whatever mystery concoction had just felled the person being wheeled by them! I had already decided I was never getting those concoctions, but watching that video was one of the things that made me feel more than ever that people really were somehow ensorcelled.
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Date: 2023-07-18 10:13 pm (UTC)At one point, though, seeing which way the wind was blowing, wife and I talked it over. We decided that if it came down to being excluded from society over non-compliance, then we were prepared to accept that. We can live without schools, shops, utilities, and a lot of other things. We didn't think it would be a one-time deal, either. I don't know if we had the notion of endless boosters at that time, but we were predicting that more and stupider things would be demanded of us if we went along with this one (actually, I made that prediction when the masks started).
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Date: 2023-07-19 12:08 pm (UTC)You write, "we were predicting that more and stupider things would be demanded of us if we went along with this one"
So very right you were. Among the saddest things I've transcribed of late are some testimonies from hardworking front line nurses who took the first 2 shots, then, injured, they did not want more, but in order to keep their job they had to get the booster... No one where they worked helped them. After having complied with two initial jabs, they ended up losing their health, their job, their pension, their savings, and living in abject misery.
I saw it from the start all as some kind of a crazy game, Alice in Wonderland goal posts doing the shimmy & float.
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Date: 2023-07-18 10:52 pm (UTC)I'm naturally cantankerous and have had a lifetime of being the black sheep so I was immediately certain that I would be the last person on the planet to get it when I across the Japanese biodistribution study in alt-news in early 2021. It also became immediately clear that my child's ability to have children - my grandchildren! - were what I was fighting for since it was clear it was impacting ovaries from Day 1.
As she is a minor, I had to get my partner onboard. He was given early access and 98% of his company lined up immediately. At the time, he saw no reason not to get it but I begged him to wait for more information to come to light and he agreed to delay. I had him listen to the Dark Horse podcast with Malone and Kirsch and that sealed the deal for him - no vaccines for him or the kid. He ended up getting fired because of it and for a while it was us against the world.
100% of our family and friends got it, we were kicked out of buildings, called names, uninvited from family gatherings...but every hostility made us stronger in our resolve. Every slight made it more obvious that it was some kind of manipulative, psychological trick that was bringing people down and we just couldn't understand how everyone fell for it.
And in the worst of it, when I saw one of the regular commenters here was on a list getting visits from health officials, I drew the line...if anyone came to our door having our child on a list then I was immediately putting everyone in the car and driving to Florida. We would never give in, we had learned too much of the truth about "$cience" and nothing mattered more than keeping it away from our child.
And then...it all faded away and it's 'the thing we don't talk about'. People we know are constantly sick, have sudden health problems, or just die and we say we're sorry and how can we help. But we never mention the thing. There was that disney song that went crazy with the kids in the last year "We don't talk about Bruno" and I think it was catchy because there is this thing we don't talk about and we all know it, our subconscious was given a way to release the pressure.
There were a few sources of sanity along the path: this blog, of course. I am grateful to our host and all of you for being our only friends in 2021 even if we've never met you and don't know your names. I feel like you all are my people and I hope one day to be able to repay you all for what we learned here from you - it saved us many times over. I have also been doing the SOP daily for about 4 years and I am convinced it kept the mass hypnosis off of me ("safe and effective" my butt). Thanks to JMG for that many more times over. Also, a big God Bless to Catholic schools in our town. They held the line, went 5 days a week, never discriminated, never mandated. I didn't expect that but then again I didn't expect collapse to take this format for us. All in all, grateful for the lessons learned and for staying the course. It was all worth it.
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Date: 2023-07-19 11:19 am (UTC)As an utterly lapse Catholic, I extend to you what was my favorite part of mass.
And peace be with you.
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Date: 2023-07-20 02:33 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 12:12 pm (UTC)"I am grateful to our host and all of you for being our only friends in 2021 even if we've never met you and don't know your names. I feel like you all are my people and I hope one day to be able to repay you all for what we learned here from you - it saved us many times over."
I actually cried when I read that. I would say exactly the same.
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Date: 2023-07-19 12:35 pm (UTC)I'm the regular commentator who got the visits (two of them) to my house from a county official hew in New Jersey. That first visit was a rough day, among the roughest of this whole mess, because it was such a shock (the second time I was at lest emotionally prepared for it). I remember coming to this forum immediately after the incident to share what had happened, and how I was shaking and teary writing that post, dumbfounded by what was going on and feeling very alone.
But the fact that my experience helped convince someone else to resist makes me feel a bit better. We all had different challenges in standing up for our choices, and I'm glad my wretched experience with that horrible county worker - who went out of her way to act so nice and chat me up about the recent hurricane and flooding that had severely impacted out town, before finally making it clear that she was actually there to violate my right to medical privacy and try to bully me - at least produced some good.
I've taken strength from other people's stores, so I'm glad mine helped someone else.
Mauve Erudite Stoat
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Date: 2023-07-21 02:08 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 11:26 pm (UTC)I discovered that, far from this being an anomaly, iatrogenic deaths (deaths caused by the healthcare system) were one of the leading causes of death in the United States. I became a bit skeptical about modern medicine, especially about pharmaceutical companies. Later, but still pre-Covid, I had a few unpleasant and frankly hurtful experiences with representatives of the healthcare industry. To be fair, I also had some that were positive, and I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush, but I became very aware that the healing professions in this country are dysfunctional at best.
As the numbers started coming in and data was compiled about the pandemic, I realized the reaction of the government was massively out of proportion to the statistical risks. I felt that the governments of the world morphed into tyrannies overnight with great coordination. I did not trust anything I was told, especially when the lab leak theory was denounced despite the very real and obvious possibility that the virus came from the Wuhan lab.
When the vaccine was released and deemed safe and effective, even though the studies were almost immediately compromised by vaccinating the control group, I knew that it was yet another lie. The propaganda around all of this was so blatant and obvious that I lost all trust in any government and media sources. I had also read the US Army’s counterinsurgency manual and various government publications that indicated that the government had the capacity to run propaganda operations 24/7 indefinitely. Back in my youth, I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist, so I was aware of programs like Project Mockingbird, which I remain less than certain were ever fully abandoned.
Due to my upbringing, I also have a “get bent” streak about three miles wide when it comes to oppressive authority figures.
All of that left me very unlikely to even consider getting the jab. The final reason, and the only metaphysical one, is an invocation of Barachiel I performed on Halloween in 2021, where I was frankly told that if I wanted to live, I shouldn’t get the vaccine. At that point, I knew I’d die before I got it. No information I’ve seen or events that I’ve experienced since then have made me question that decision.
My mom used to ask me, if all of my friends were jumping off a cliff, would I do it too? Decades later, I discovered the answer is no. She’s five shots in, and luckily she still seems fine.
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Date: 2023-07-18 11:35 pm (UTC)Why did I get two shots? By autumn 2020 I knew three people whose death certificate said they died of COVID, one of whom was my mother. I was 63, without medical insurance (I'm in the US and we don't get Medicare till 65). During spring 2021 I watched quite a few people I knew take the shots and not have trouble with them. I was aware of the counterarguments - I usually read the first page or two of each of these series of posts - but given my age, the lack of medical insurance which meant that getting long COVID could drain our saving, and knowing one of my friends had long COVID and how it affected her, I decided I would go ahead and get the two shots. Call me naive if you like, I'll accept it, but I really hoped that it was the right thing and really would help the situation improve. By that time a fourth person I knew had COVID on his death certificate, so it may have been that having that many people die of it tipped the balance toward accepting the shots. Or maybe I just fell into the mass thoughtform and went along with it without thinking enough about the counterarguments; I'm willing to admit that.
The first shot went fine; nothing more than swelling at the shot site. I was kind of weirded out by the atmosphere at the place where I got the shot, but since the first one went OK, I went ahead and got the second shot.
The second shot went OK at first. But I woke up in the middle of the night feeling quite ill, and not just physically. Something about the second shot was just wrong; nothing I could put in words, but it was there. Fortunately the effects wore off after several hours. But it felt wrong enough that I was completely clear that I would not accept any more shots of this or any other vaccine.
I'm really glad for this forum; I've learned a lot from it which I hope will help me better avoid mass thoughtforms in the future.
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Date: 2023-07-19 01:01 am (UTC)I remember a nighttime conversation in a deserted park with a dear friend whom I would describe as habitually nonconformist. We were both on the fence about the shot and trying to work through the implications together. There was a moment in that discussion when I felt a fierceness and a solidness rise up in me- that I could and would say NO to the pressures that I felt building all around me. My friend witnessed that moment and remarked on it. From there on it was just about finding the courage and the means to follow through with it.
Said friend later took the shot, mostly to stay in with her social group, which is adjacent but distinct from mine. I gave up the approval of almost all my friends and family, ditched the pushy roommates, found a new home and a whole new group of friends and through them underground employment- in short, I made a series of drastic life changes in quick succession, all for the better as it turned out. I am a different person now than I was pre-covid: more capable, self-reliant, emotionally balanced. I was forced to take life into my own hands to a degree I had never done before.
I am a person with strong spiritual convictions. However, it wasn't until the summer of '22, when the vax rollout was in full spate and the social pressure was getting crazy, that I got really serious about a daily spiritual practice. It was in fact a tip from someone in this very forum that got me off my butt about that. Since then I have not missed a single day, and I think my still-intact-sanity is to a large extent a result of this commitment to rely daily on the support of the unseen world.
Many people whose faith and intellect I admired took the shot. That was, and still is, disturbing for me to contemplate. I still haven't wrapped my head around it. I am rebuilding friendships with some of them, gradually, tentatively. I can forgive but I will not forget.
I now think that centralized state power requires, at least to some degree, the centralization of truth. I think it is useful to think of Science as the state religion of our nation and many others. Public Health is and has been for a long time the inquisitional arm of this expanding state church, though many of us have only recently become aware of its role in enforcing doctrinal compliance.
Ivan Illich predicted back in the '70's that growing institutional forces would crystallize around 'Health' and 'Life' as modern sacraments. He was a man of deep Christian faith who also knew quite well what the dark side of religion could look like. I'd love to see his books 'Medical Nemesis' and 'Tools for Conviviality' discussed more broadly in the present context.
Cheers,
Dylan
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Date: 2023-07-19 10:49 am (UTC)And my horror regarding friends and family was not about their decision to take the shot. There seemed at the time to be legitimate reasons to go for it, for some demographics. It was their compliance with the v passports and the totalitarian impulse that really shook me, and still does if I dwell on it too long.
Dylan
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Date: 2023-07-20 02:42 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 01:09 am (UTC)When the vaccine was first being talked about, my thought process was, "eh, I probably don't need it, but I'll wait and see, maybe the risk-benefit will pan out in favor of taking it, let's get a bit more info first." That thought process was, I think, a rational one.
But then, at some point, I realized that no, I wasn't going to "wait and see." At some point I realized that I had a deep, visceral aversion to those shots, and that there was, in fact, no way on earth that I would ever agree to take them, for any reason. I realized that I was, in fact, willing lose all my employment, be ostracized by everyone, and I live in my damn car if needs be, rather than comply.
There wasn't a single moment of clarity, but more like a dawning realization that yes - this is, in fact, the hill I will die on.
My best guess of my own resistance is that it's related to growing up with an abusive parent. What triggered my refusal, I think, was the bone-deep knowledge that when someone in a position of authority pushes you that hard to do something, and when the reasons given why you're supposed to do it keep changing, and when people are being manipulated with fear, and when those in authority are willing to stoke hatred against and encourage persecution of those who do not comply - well, then you know that what you are being told to do is WRONG (or, at the bare minimum, not in your best interest). Because if it was a good thing, they wouldn't have to abuse you that badly.
The whole thing just....stank. There was something deeply noxious about it that set off my alarm bells, and made me recoil in fear and loathing from the whole program.
If there was something supernatural at work, my reaction makes sense. Somehow, I sensed that what was going on was fundamentally wrong - that it was manipulative, abusive, and cruel, or was orchestrated by someone, or some thing, that was manipulative, abusive, and cruel - and that I must avoid it at all cost.
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Date: 2023-07-19 09:09 am (UTC)Thanks for articulating so clearly.
Jed
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Date: 2023-07-19 03:36 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 01:51 am (UTC)I too heard the voice to get the quaxx. I am surprised it tried with me because early on I made it clear that I would rather die than take it and was enthusiastically willing to go there if the quaxx brigade went there first. At that point, I was learned enough from my occult studies to discern the entity behind the voice. It's a nasty little thing, and furthermore, there are several of them. I strongly believe as other commenters have said that it is demonic. Of course I could be wrong, but if I had to put labels on the demons involved, I would guess Paimon and Mammon.
At any rate, I want to thank all of you who stood for freedom of choice even if you got the quaxx. Though if you were pressured to get the quaxx and said NO, I thank you even more because you are the direct reason why the Not-sees in charge were not able to go full Chairman Mao. You have my undying gratitude. May it bless you and bless you by the power of seven.
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Date: 2023-07-19 06:43 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 05:19 am (UTC)Thank you. Not ashamed to say this brought a tear to my eye. It's been rough and sometimes I wonder if I even made any difference. To know I might have...it means a lot.
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Date: 2023-07-19 02:10 am (UTC)I couldn't help feeling like it was a blow back for letting myself get so consumed and involved on a spiritual level. Alternately it could be stress weakened my immune system.
Another time there was an astrology thing that my dad was probably going to be in a serious car accident. I went to my spiritual practice for him. None of this with his knowledge, but my own personal belief system and feeling that this mattered a hell of a lot. Well, he didn't have an accident. Close calls, yes. Accident, no. But I had car issues, a flat tire, and some car related trauma at the same time. It was very frustrating. I felt that perhaps I had taken it on, albeit unintentionally, by interfering. And worth the cost if true, but unsettling all the same, as that was not my intention when trying to protect him. IDK.
I still can't quite sort out the different between "this just happened to me," versus "this happened to me because I felt the need to intervene spiritually for a family member no matter the cost for me." I don't know what's right about these things, but those were the choices I made. I make the best choices I can on my spiritual path, but sometimes it's a hard path.
Re: The Epiphany (ML - A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 02:20 am (UTC)I never thought masks worked as well as authorities claimed, but I understood that people wanted something that they could do to "be safe". I knew that the "plague story" script ended with a savior vaccine, which I fully expected to "work" on paper only - i.e. for the data to be fudged so that the authorities could say it worked and then people could feel "safe" again - even if what really happened was that the virus worked its way through the population and then simmered down as viruses tend to do.
The main risk that I was aware of from a traditional coronavirus vaccine was Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE). However this typically showed up in animal trials pretty early, usually the first time vaccinees were exposed to a slightly mutated virus. Had we been presented with a Chinese-type attenuated-virus vaccine, my plan was to wait at least a year and watch the case reports and local news closely for anything that looked like the beginnings of ADE, then if all looked good I would get it, even if I didn't think I needed it. I'm not actually a particularly contrarian person, and I'll go along with symbolic-but-useless actions if I perceive them to be harmless and not in violation of my values.
For me, the biggest red flag was that the West was - without much thought or discussion - going all-in on purely experimental "vaccine" technologies that engineered our own cells to produce the viral antigen. One of these - oddly the less-favored - had only been used in a handful of African countries in recent years to target Ebola - and the other (mRNA) had no human track record whatsoever. This gave me some serious hesitation, for a several reasons:
1. I've done a fair amount of genetic engineering and "transfecting" cells with genetic material in my time in academia, and it was almost immediately clear to me that this carried a blanket risk of immune dysfunction/dysregulation (toward tolerance or autoimmunity/allergy) that could not possibly be ruled out by anything short of lifelong randomized trials, and for which six-month trials or first-year surveillance data are effectively useless.
2. Seeing public health authorities embrace and endorse these technologies also greatly lessened my respect for them. A wise general in wartime will not give all of his soldiers rail guns or his pilots Avrocars. Similarly a wise chief epidemiologist facing an actual pandemic will rely on time-tested approaches to developing an emergency vaccine and will only test the new technologies against familiar and relatively harmless targets like flu and chickenpox until they have proven themselves worthy and comparably safe.
That was where I was at in winter and spring of 2021, when the shots were first made available. Then came the incredible spike in VAERS reports, the silencing and gaslighting of vaccine victims, the research clearly linking spike protein to clotting and cardiovascular risks, and the "mass formation" mob morality that was clearly not interested in building a clear picture of the risks and benefits of these shots. So I went from "maybe" (in 2020) to "probably not" (in early 2021, seeing only genetic vaccines available) to "definitely not" by the summer of 2021.
Re: The Epiphany (ML - A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 04:20 pm (UTC)It amazed me just how many people turned off simple logical thinking when it came to the vaccine. It seemed immediately clear to me that engineering your own cells to produce spike protein would induce an immune reaction against those same cells. If your heart cells or brain cells or liver cells, etc, are the ones producing spike, well guess what your immune system is gonna do to them?
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Date: 2023-07-19 03:34 am (UTC)In March 2020, my local newspaper (The Age in Melbourne) was pushing the "collective rights" idea. They published an article that argued the individual had no right to say what their rights were, and that it should be left up to a higher authority to decide. The comment sections on the COVID articles were full of people displaying hatred and contempt for the idea of individual freedom. The small number of commenters raising concerns about the lockdowns violating human rights were shouted down. There was one comment that literally said that people complaining about the lockdowns should just shut up and do what the government told them to. I now see that this messaging was paving the way for vaccine mandates.
In April 2020, the Australian media all of a sudden started running hate propaganda against anti vaxxers. At this point I already knew that there had never been a successful vaccine against any corona virus, and I had seen articles stating that it could take years for one to be developed. So I began to wonder what was going on. I could see that the ground was being prepared for something.
In May 2020, the first articles calling for mandatory vaccination appeared. They were nasty and totalitarian, and I found them offensive. And again, if there was no vaccine in sight, why these articles?
In June 2020, after reading yet another article supporting mandatory vaccination, I made the decision that there was no way I would be taking any COVID Vax. My reasoning was this: if you have these authoritarians who say that the individual doesn't deserve to have any rights, and then they say you should be required to take injections whenever the government tells you to, then you should do anything you can NOT to take these injections.
- RL
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Date: 2023-07-21 05:12 am (UTC)- CB
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Date: 2023-07-19 04:35 am (UTC)Was involved in a polio vaccine trial, wife asked me to wait until that was over with, and I agreed.
By summer 2021 the public pressure to take the vax took me aback and caused me to decide I didn't want it. Then later I learned how bad it really was.
So I credit my wife for saving me.
COVID vaxxes are still available you know. You could schedule to get one right now. Funny thing, now that the fight is over and the pressure is off, I am sort of curious how it would affect me. But I'm not interested in the possibility of long term chronic life-altering struggles.
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Date: 2023-07-19 04:52 am (UTC)When the shots came out, I was agnostic. I honestly had no idea how they would turn out. So again, I used the precautionary principle and thought it best to wait and see. That it seemed unacceptable to so many was the first red flag. I learned long ago that when someone pushes the hard sell it's best to just cut losses and walk away from the table.
Then there was not just the hysteria of the whole thing but the blatant lies. I had gone from unsure to not even at gunpoint. When pResident Brandon issued the mandate, I was ready to get fired. I was so relieved when the supreme court ruled against it. It was tough here, but seeing what was happening in Canada was horrifying.
I did not hear voices telling me to get the shot, but I do recall when going past drive up needle fests, I felt both a strange pull along with a feeling of wrongness. That and just the feeling of getting jabbed. There does seem to be more to this than just simple propaganda.
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Date: 2023-07-19 05:03 am (UTC)I further suspected from the get-go that this entire COVID charade had a political and/or hidden agenda. I told my cousin that I felt it had something to do with the upcoming US election. Nothing added up. The idea that planes from China should not be banned because “racism” was utterly ludicrous given that the disease was supposedly ravaging China. It was so patently ridiculous – even for our degenerate political class - that I knew there had to be something else going on. Like most everyone, I initially complied with the lock-downs and the masking. I was suspicious but I had nothing to work with. However, by the summer of 2020, I knew that we were being subjected to some sort of behavioral control experiment. If COVID was truly akin to the Black Death, we’d have all been dead by that point and, quite obviously, that was not the case.
The next red flag came with the announcement of a “vaccine” – in fact, four of them (at least) – all ready to go. I have university degrees in Commerce and Marketing but I am old enough to have received a reasonable science education in high school. As well, my mother had been a nurse. I could not imagine how vaccines could be created, tested and declared ready for use in such a short time. Most vaccine development takes place over a period of 8-12 years – not 8-12 weeks! And given that some of these vaccines used a new delivery system (mRNA), the testing period would have had to be longer. Again, it just did not add up.
I started to do some research online and came across doctors who were warning that these jabs would affect fertility and create auto-immune issues. I have a 26 year-old and I did not want him harmed in any way and we both have auto-immune issues. I told him that we were NOT going to take these jabs. My mistake was thinking that they would be treated like any other vaccination – “your body, your choice, MY BODY, MY CHOICE”. By May, 2021, I realized that something truly demonic was behind all this and I warned my kid that they might force this which, of course, they did. By September, he was told he was going to be fired if he did not get vaxxed. We had a huge fight over it but I would not budge and I told him I didn’t care if we were reduced to eating wallpaper paste. Eventually, he gave in and was let go at the end of October, 2021 although he was rehired in late March, 2022 once the mandates ended in Ontario. That is a whole other story!
Like others here have commented, this nightmare we continue to live through (I think we can all see that it isn’t over yet) has left me disgusted, enraged and suspicious of most everyone and everything. Although I did not “lose” any friends or family over this, I don’t feel the same about most of them. It has left my oldest and best friend in this world with neurological and mobility issues and he recently told me that he knows it was the vaxx (one of the specialists he has seen told him this as well) and that he is full of regret. Another friend has heart issues although he would NEVER admit this was vaxx-related. His choice!
I will never feel the same way about Canada which I no longer recognize. I no longer believe in the promise of the West – it is as corrupt and evil as anything ever to come out of the East. I have lost trust in most people who I see have been changed by all of this. I still believe deep down that I am living in a re-make of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” – although I think demons are responsible rather than aliens. I have been slogging through essays by Rudolf Steiner since last fall. I think he was on to something.
It’s all so unbelievably sad. Now I just wait for the other shoe to drop.
Liam in Toronto
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Date: 2023-07-19 06:45 pm (UTC)In general I am warily optimistic, however, because I do see a small but highly dedicated and growing group of organizations doing excellent work for medical freedom. We are not alone, our ranks are growing. While there have been disappointments, there have been numerous successful lawsuits and also many effective efforts to block anti-freedom legislation and to lobby for pro-freedom legislation. We don't hear about it because of the censorship. Washington DC just dropped its covid jab mandate for school children thanks in large part to heavy pressure from parents and from Children's Health Defense (RFK Jr's organization).
I too think Steiner was onto something. I have long ago concluded that while much can be explained by RFK (his book The Real Anthony Fauci) and by Desmet (mass formation psychosis) and so many others, there are more than human dynamics to this madness, and to these battles for the future of humanity.
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Date: 2023-07-20 10:37 am (UTC)I'd been friends with this person for over 40 years and we'd gone through a lot together, but when covid kicked off he turned into someone I no longer recognised. Initially he became meek, fearful and paranoid, leaving his delivered shopping out in the sun for 24 hours and then wiping it all with bleach. His daily walks, the only time he left the house, were 'wary'. He and his wife turned into hypochondriacs and called paramedics more than once, for issues like wheezing or a cough. That developed into becoming a mask disciple, followed by becoming a vaccine disciple. He started being quite vicious about anyone not following the approved narrative, not realising he was talking about me and my partner who refused to follow orders. I no longer see him as the same person and, given some of his more recent attitudes, have decided to not contact him again.
It does seem that a lot of people were completely consumed by the narrative, to the point that they've turned into someone unrecognisable.
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Date: 2023-07-20 07:02 pm (UTC)A lot of them have tried to "reconnect" with me now that the "pandemic" is "over", and I'm just like, why? Why do you want to "reconnect" with me? By your own judgements, I'm one of those selfish, ignorant, rule-breaking, misinformed, anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists you were vilifying not so long ago. And even if I didn't support Trump, I hang around with people who did, people who you also hate and despise for their "ignorance" and "racism". Why do you want anything to do with ME? I'm not one of you. I used to think we had things in common, but now I know how different we are. Why are you still trying to "reconnect"?!
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Date: 2023-07-19 08:18 am (UTC)So the covid vax was a no brainer, I've been saying no to pushie vaccines for so long now it's habitual. Plus it was so obviously done in bad science I was a bit embarrassed to watch everyone "do the right thing" on a gamble.
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Date: 2023-07-19 10:55 am (UTC)First was the masking rule in the supermarkets that was enforced for everyone except the cashiers. They were sitting behind these plexiglass screens, sure, but if this was an airborn virus, it would simply drift over and behind the barrier, right? As for the masks, if I can sniff the cigarette smoke and the perfume of the people waiting in line with me - six foot distance and all - doesn't that mean that a virus that is as small as these molecules carrying those smells can also get through my mask? Plus the mask doesn't sit airtight over my face, so the virus could get through the gaps.
Yet despite all these insufficient measures, none of the cashiers, nor I, got sick during 2020.
When the vaccine did arrive, I wasn't in one of the priority groups (although I was deemed 'essential', lol, so no hiding in my home for me. That was another thing I noticed, that I didn't get sick although I was forced to come to work). By then I had reverted to my usual attitude of wait and see how others do with the novelty before I commit to trying it, too. I've never been an early adopter of new technology, because I see it as overprized and underdeveloped, and I don't have enough money to buy stuff before the kinks have been worked out. At this point, I had also read statistics of who was primarily affected by severe illness from the virus, and had determined that I was neither old, overweight, or suffering from comorbidities, and that my risk of contracting a severe form of illness was below 1%. I was in no hurry to get vaccinated.
Then news hit that a young woman had died from a sinus vein aneurism which was an averse reaction to, I believe, the Moderna vaccine (it was neither J&J nor the Pfizer stuff). Curiosly, at that time the media didn't yet try to bury admissions of that kind. She had suffered from migraines and so had mistaken the severe headache for another migraine attack. I suffer from migraines, too, so this hit me hard - this could've been me.
But when the authorities began to make wildly differing recommendations who should get that vaccine in response to this incident - no women under 50 years of age; scratch that, no women over 50 years of age; no, only men should get it - I realized that they had no idea what they were doing. They were just trying things - ON US! We were lab rats for a gigantic experiment! And nobody in my social circle agreed with me, which shocked me most of all. It was so obvious, but they were all scared to contract the terrible illness and die from it. Everyone in my workplace got the vaccine except me. My sister, initially hesitant, was persuaded by her fiancé to take it. She also got the booster...
So I was already determined by that point not to get vaccinated. I still had that 'moment of clarity', that felt quite different from all the observation and rational conclusion processes I described above. I work as a vet tech, and one day, as I was walking one of our canine patients, a thought emerged in my mind a propos of nothing: "If I didn't hear about this pandemic in the media all the time, I'd have no idea we're even having one." My observed reality provided NO indication that the country was swept by a wave of a new and deadly illness. People were not dying left and right, services and commerce were shutting down due to governmental decree, not because staff was dying off. It was on that patch of grass behind our practice, in a very quiet moment, that I realized that something was very, very strange about the whole thing.
And then almost all countries around the globe implemented the same measures in lockstep. Reading international news, I realized even their announcements were phrased exactly the same way. That was when 'strange' turned to 'creepy'...
So, I didn't get vaccinated. I couldn't go anywhere because the Unclean were locked out of Christmas markets, cafes, restaurants, cinemas, even shops that weren't supermarkets - I got new winter shoes because ALDI had some on offer, otherwise I would've been out of luck, or forced to order online. I had to shove a test up my nose every day, because my boss was sure that the government would send someone to oversee if we were doing those tests every day (nobody ever showed up, of course - but that's how you get people to comply). At some point, we came this close to a general vaccination mandate, and I got legal insurance because I was determined to fight for my bodily autonomy tooth and nail, but that was the low point where I was terrified that I'd lose my job and wouldn't even be eligible for welfare aid: they had already decreed that if you're unvaccinated and fall ill with covid, you wouldn't get paid for the duration of your illness (which you usually are).
The really scary thing is how they just canceled every legal and constitutional right, dispersed the few, feeble protests, and then went right back to business as normal afterwards - and the wider population just went along with it, both times. I realized that I'm part of a minority that will always be steamrolled, and probably carted off to some camp or other, when totalitarianism ever rears its head again. And it WILL come, because now they learned that they can do it, and 80% of the population will go along with it, and 20% of those will zealously enforce the new regime...
The most depressing thing is that I don't even have any idea where I'd emigrate to if that happens. The whole West flipped like this. The old 'if I won the lottery' game is totally pointless now, because even if I won a million Euros, the US seems to be as bad as Germany, as France, as Ireland, as Iceland, as ... well, not as bad as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, tbh. Those three took the cake.
So I stay and hope for the best. Sometimes I wonder if this is how people in the provinces felt as Rome was beginning to fall. Stay where they are, with barbarians coming across the Wall in regular intervals and raiding the countryside, or move back to the center of the Empire, where the barbarians are far away, but madness is even more rampant?
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Date: 2023-07-19 12:05 pm (UTC)My late brother also had a bad reaction to a yellow-fever vaccine, which may have contributed to his breakdown and eventual suicide. I was not in any sense an 'anti-vaxxer', but I was quite aware that not all vaccines are equal, and vigorously opposed to any form of vaccine-mandates, due to my brother's experience.
What's more, within certain sections of my friendship group, we had been joking about Alex Jones's infamous 'roll up da sleeves!' rant about Bill Gates for years before. I don't really know who or what was behind the vaccines, but it all seemed a bit too... Book of Revelations-y, if you know what I mean...
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Date: 2023-07-20 12:25 pm (UTC)Alex Jones and the "Mark of the Beast" folk were on to something all along...
Who woulda thunk it!?
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Date: 2023-07-19 12:11 pm (UTC)No moments of deep radical clarity for me. More like pieces of a puzzle (of a monster) coming together. At the outset I believed that the pandemic was ‘legit’ and warned relatives in January 2020 to be prepared for one helluva ride. I was glad when the country shut down in March 2020 because I figured that an attempt to ‘flatten the curve’ is worthwhile for the sake of the hospital system in my province (Ontario) which has been literally held together by duct tape and blind faith for the past decade plus. But by May 2020, I felt that something is not right and what miniscule belief I had that those in power cared even a little bit for the populace evaporated. By the time the foxes were fast-tracked to mass production, I was pretty much black-pilled. And then when The Turd changed his tune from “This is Canada: we will never mandate injections” to “Those who are not complying will suffer unimaginable indignities” (I am obviously paraphrasing, but that was the drift) in the course of what seemed to be only a few weeks 2021, that’s when I went full-on “frack you, make me” mode.
Besides being a cantankerous old coot, I am also a person with a deep spiritual life. Besides having over four decades of experience in spiritual practices, I have been performing the sphere of protection (as described by JMG in his books on Druidry) for the past five years. And I do believe that such practices helped to keep me immune from the malevolent forces (both human and non-human in origin) that were at work. And, most importantly, my conscience simply said ‘no’ to the jab. That sealed the deal for me. Even when my employment was in jeopardy in December 2021 due to my medical status, I did not for a second contemplate taking the ‘clot shot’. For most of my life I have felt that a time would come when I would find a hill worth dying on – and suddenly realized that I had found my hill (i.e., bodily autonomy).
Ron M
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 12:15 pm (UTC)One of the things that alerted me to the danger of the vaccines was your “Into the Unknow region” post in December 2020 where you warned that the vaccines had only be tested for a short time and could have unknown side effects that might not become apparent for a long time. That really rang my alarm bell and I made the decision there and then to wait before I made a decision about taking the vaccines. So I want to thank you for that.
I had become very skeptical of the whole lock down tyranny and the way that early treatments like ivermectin and vitamin D where being suppressed. I also have the weakness of being a procrastinator and will always put off what does not need to be done. There were a number of occasions when I started thinking of taking the vaccines in spring 2021, but I decided to leave the decision for another month or so, because I was so lazy. This was a great example of where a weakness becomes a profound strength. So it is possible that I might not have taken the vaccine if I hadn’t read your warning. However, your warning turned that possibility into a certainty.
I was also lucky to be living in England. I am so shocked at the pressure people came under to take the jab in Canada and America. A couple of friends did try some gentle persuasion back in May 2021, but apart from that everyone I knew at work supported my right to bodily autonomy and agreed that I had the right not to take the vaccine and they were all liberals and lefties. In the autumn of 2021 the government did require care workers to take the vaccine and this was later extended to the NHS. Fortunately, they changed their mind when it came to the NHS in the spring of the following year. Thanks to our employment laws other employer were not allowed to mandate vaccines. Things were bad enough in England, but the attitude in this country was like the climate, it did not go to the extremes that happened in Canada, Australia and parts of the US.
So thank you for your warning.
Yours sincerely
Jasmine
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Date: 2023-07-19 02:21 pm (UTC)I was already not in a demographic given to looking for doctor's advice. TCM training gave me a sense of confidence that the body is capable of working through most physical ailments, and the little bit of gentle help from herbs, or from the movement and regulation of qi, can be beneficial when it gets stuck.
I had also begun to pay specific attention to vaccines, the way they are argued for, and the issues their marketers are given to dodging, when I started to research the HPV vaccine a few years prior.
So, while I was probably never going to go looking for a vaccination, given all of the above, I can safely say that a vaccination never came looking for me, either. Neither my husband nor I have had a reason to seek a doctor's advice for many, many years, and we seem to be well enough out of most "loops" whether social or bureaucratic, through which other people found pressure building - whether family or work or local welfare or healthcare services. It just never arose that either of us was ever offered a vaccine, or asked whether we were vaccinated by anyone who cared that we weren't.
But of course, we were aware that there was a circus going on somewhere, we just so happened to have found ourselves already outside of the tent while it was going on.
Neither of us ever encountered any voices either for or against. We made a good team, though, and continue to feel blessed to have had our lucky escape from the general madness.
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Date: 2023-07-19 02:28 pm (UTC)In the dream, I was led to an open field with many others, hands bound behind my back, and made to kneel by a person in military fatigues, standing behind me and holding an odd looking weapon. Although there was no preliminary dialogue, I knew what my choices were. I closed my eyes and said “I do not consent” and waited for the ‘shot’. I woke up knowing that if it came to it in real life, I would indeed take a bullet to the head, rather than submit to whatever coercion/ incarceration/ liquidation might be coming. I watched in horror and disbelief as things unfolded over the next 12 - 24 months (Er...Nuremberg... anyone???). Almost everyone I knew just went along with the herd, enthusiastically, or otherwise.
Thankfully, I was not subject to any overt ‘personal’ discrimination. Being in Western Australia, however, I spent the first 6 months of 2022 unable to work, let alone travel. Fortunately, I had at that time enough savings to sit it out for 12 months (a very rare situation for me to be in). After 6 months, and when the faithful (to THE Science) started not showing up so regularly for work anymore, the tide of institutional madness receded, and I was able to return to the profession I had trained for, and had only just begun working in. Crisis averted for the present, but I was mentally preparing to pack the motorcycle with some light camping gear and head for the bush (lots of it out here to get lost in).
Disclaimer: I am a life-long social misfit and contrarian, who had been involved in alternative agriculture/ health (organic food supply) for many years. I’ve met many people with chronic illnesses, and spoken to and patronised many alternative health practitioners and organic farmers. I had many years prior to that already lost my trust in, and had abandoned, allopathic medicine - except in cases of acute physical trauma – after a series of interventions throughout my infancy, childhood and adolescence. I realised early on that these guys (regular doctors) are mostly just bluff and arrogance, working for big pharma.
This debacle and its concurrent insanity, just validated all of my 'fringe-dweller' preconceptions, beyond any shadow of doubt.
P.S.
A Mid-Western Doctor (on Substack) has been posting a fascinating series of articles regarding the 4th state of water (EZ-liquid crystal) and its relationship to cell biology (CDR). In regards to a possible future direction for the salvaging of the health care ‘industry’, my two-bobs worth is that this is a very promising and important area of alternative western-style medical research, worth preserving.
Tony_A
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 03:28 pm (UTC)in the winter of ’22 the outlook for the unvaccinated here in Canada was very, very, dark
It was. The black shadowy energy was pervasive and palpable, almost smothering at times, unlike anything I ever imagined I could experience.
Thanks for your post. It touches on something that I have been scribbling down, intending for JMG's regular monthly open post, so I'll save it for then.
To answer the question, I don't recall having a singular moment of clarity as you describe, but then again there was the moment where the email went out, to everyone at the hospital, "asking" "who was interested" in the vaccine, and I remember feeling a vague tugging that it wasn't the correct thing to do, to go along with it just because everyone else was.
This nagging persisted until it grew, later in the year, into a door-hammering sledgehammer that I HAD TO HOLD THE LINE, no matter what happened.
I may also say that several times, over the past year or so, I've enjoyed a deep spiritual sense that I somehow "passed" something, the same way you feel when you get an exam grade and you passed.
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Date: 2023-07-20 05:21 pm (UTC)I've had that feeling as well. I'm not sure WHAT test I passed, but it feels like I figured something out and "passed" some sort of test.
This thread feels a little bit like, "you got the right answer - now show your work!", lol
I've noticed is that it does seem like people got to the same place by a variety of different routes.
Those paths seem to include, in no particular order:
1 - Past bad experience with the medical industry that created profound skepticism;
2 - Surviving an abusive relationship and viscerally recognizing abuse and manipulation techniques when one encounters them again;
3 - Having lived in an authoritarian system in the past and knowing what it looks like when you see it forming again (not sure that one has been mentioned here, but writer Tesa Lena falls into this category);
4 - First-hand experience with psy-ops techniques leading to an ability to spot them (or trusting someone with such experience, as someone in this thread mentioned);
5 - Significant medical knowledge combined with sufficient independence of mind that enabled critical analysis of medical claims and advice that didn't add up (several commentators with medical or science backgrounds mentioned this);
6 - Religious or spiritual contact (and/or dreams) that offered warnings, some fairly explicit, as well as experience with "voices" that encouraged compliance but which were sensed to be untrustworthy;
7 - Sheer intuition / gut feelings (possibly related to the above)
8 - A personal history as an outcast or contrarian that caused one to question everything, cooties included (people have said something like 'when I see everyone going one way I take it as a sign to go the other');
9 - Experience with alternative paradigms for health and healing, including being a practitioner of an alternative or non-western medical tradition, that provided a different framework for looking at covid;
10 - Significant understanding of history, sociology, and/or psychology that provided context for the madness (Desmet and his "mass formation" theory probably fall here), and I would also put "archetypes" theory (and Simon Sheridan) here, as a similar intellectual tool that enabled a wider perspective and critical analysis from another angle.
Obviously, many of us fall into more than one category.
My own resistance was probably due first and foremost to #2 (I survived a mother with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and I know deep down what manipulation not in my best interest looks like), coupled with #10 (I have an academic background in history and social science, which gave me context), with some additional contributing factors of #8 (being a black sheep due to opposing the abusive parent), #1 (I've been skeptical of the medical industry ever since a dentist tried to sell me four times as much dental work as I needed when I was 19), a little bit of #5 (I took an infectious diseases class as a science distribution requirement back in college, and retained a bit of info on how respiratory viruses do and don't work, and also listened to what the censored medical experts were saying), a bit of #9 insofar that I know from experience that herbal remedies can and do work, and, finally, #5 and #6 (gut instinct, plus I heard the evil voices, and prayed for help and guidance that I believe I received).
Many paths to the same end, and some of us probably wandered more than one of them.
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Date: 2023-07-20 07:28 pm (UTC)Although I'm open to the idea, I'm not convinced it was an *objective* test (in the sense of it being imposed upon humans at a metaphysical/soul-sorting level) but it certainly can be viewed as a *subjective* test through the lenses of sociology and history.
These sorts of tests sometimes happen on a personal level (did you stop at the scene of the accident or drive on by?) or at a national level (did you rat out your Jewish neighbors to the SS, or did you shelter them?) but this might be the first time such a test of personal ethics and values has occurred at a global scale. Of course the other side sees it as a test too, and we are the ones with F's, but I'm pretty sure that when this is studied in schools a century from now we will be the courageous minority who stood up against dangerous insanity.
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Date: 2023-07-20 09:27 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 04:33 am (UTC)I am used to being a lone voice in the wilderness, and it is immensely reassuring and satisfying to hear everyone's story.
I can count reasons 1, 2, 6, 7, 8 & 9 as absolute givens (indeed, I would suggest many of them feed into one another) prior to the 'event'...and I have read, traveled and interacted with the world enough to have had various degrees of understanding of 3, 4, 5 & 10.
I am still flabbergasted as to how so many people displayed so little resistance to the onslaught of lies, manipulations and stupidities that we were all subject to (Yes, I'm talking to YOU, 5 eyes).
I am however, at present, grateful that despite the horrific damage done so far, the
majority of people I interact with seem to be (mostly) ok, and I'm beginning to think an apocalyptic health outcome is not as likely as I once feared.
The ability of our bodies, and nature in general, to heal themselves, never ceases to amaze me. Hopefully, as nature heals herself, and us, from this imbecilic and utterly Frankensteinien (is that a word?) tinkering with our/ her innermost workings - we won't get caught in the purge.
Tony_A
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 04:05 pm (UTC)What if a lot of it comes down to pattern-recognition skills?
Many people have been abused, or lied to by the medical industry, or encountered some other authoritarian system, or studied history/sociology/political science/psychology, or seen a psy-op before - but not everyone recognizes it when they see it again. In fact, many of us were shocked that people went back for more shots after being injured by the first (or got shots despite past negative experiences with the medical-industrial complex), or dumbfounded that academics couldn't see the sorts of things they'd supposedly studied happening in real life right in front of them, or that people with medical backgrounds couldn't look at the real data and SEE what was there, or surprised by how many artists and "rebels" who claimed to be questioners didn't question when it mattered, or people who claimed to have faith didn't have any when faith was finally truly needed, etc. The fact is, having seen, experienced, and/or learned about something wrong and crazy only helps if you have the pattern recognition skills to spot it again the second time around.
Many people seem to lack the fundamental ability to see a long-standing pattern when it crops up in a new context, and it seems like the people who saw through Cootie-palooza were very often the ones who could say, "I've seen this before in a different context; the details are different, but I recognize the same PATTERN in a different setting."
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Date: 2023-07-22 11:13 am (UTC)I learned that I preferred privacy, the privacy of my own thoughts... and later in life when I was attracted to political activism, I learned to steer clear of those who thought nothing of asking "how is your consciousness raising going?" with the expectation of an equally soul-baring response, without recognising the intrusiveness of such a question.
The "shape" of this sense of the increasing social permissiveness of such privacy intrusions - "have you tested?" "are you vaccinated?" (Why are you asking me about a private health matter?) also came to the fore during this pandemonium.
In all cases the "shape" feels the same. As if a group of people have decided that certain privacy intrusions will be treated as universally permissible, that some kinds of thoughts must be subject to group policing.
I don't know if I've phrased this well, but these types of "shapes" that carry over between disparate groups, often at odds with one another as to goals or motivation, is what I notice.
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Date: 2023-07-22 11:19 pm (UTC)Because being a selfish racist was the only possible reason for not wanting to declare my vax status to anyone who asked…
The parallels are exact but I hadn’t fully connected the dots, thanks for pointing this out.
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Date: 2023-07-22 03:50 pm (UTC)Wisdom is different than intelligence, although the definitions can be hard to nail down. Generally speaking, intelligence seems to be more about things like analytic problem solving, logical thinking, the ability to take in and process new information in an efficient manner, etc., while wisdom is often thought to be more experience-based and to have a more "practical application" component.
I think what we're trying to parse out here is, was there some sort of "pattern-recognition across different contexts" skill that resisters tended to share - something that enabled us to say "no, it's not different this time, this is just the same old abuse/authoritarianism/lying/manipulation that I've seen (or studied) before, and/or this is just the same old flu-like respiratory virus behavior that we've seen before, I looked at the actual data, and it really isn't all that different this time," and to be able to stick to that perspective despite propaganda telling us we were wrong and crazy.
Maybe the ability to stick to your guns and believe your own perceptions when everyone around you is saying something else is also a key factor? Maybe that's part of wisdom? Because ultimately it doesn't matter WHY you thought the covid response was a scam - it could have been any one of the factors I listed, grounded in any combination of intellectual knowledge, instinct, prior personal experience, or faith - but the important thing was that once you perceived it, you stuck to and trusted your own perception, and were able to keep stubbornly sticking to your own perspective in the face of a huge society-wide effort to tell you that you were wrong, and punish you for dissenting? Something about having a stronger internal locus of knowledge/belief rather than a more socially-constructed one?
I don't know. I'm just throwing things out there. We've talked about what made resistors able to resist before, and it's an interesting question.
(FYI, I posted the pattern recognition comment above, as well as the original list of 10 factors that seemed to contribute to resistance to the narrative. I should probably make a habit of signing things...)
Mauve Erudite Stoat
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-22 05:44 pm (UTC)Rudyard Kipling's poem still nails it, after all these years... IMHO.
Sound advice for sons, and for daughters, too!
"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
"If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
"If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!"
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-22 06:48 pm (UTC)According to the MBTI, there are 16 personality types, which are different combinations of preferred cognitive functions. What you described above are people with either introverted intuition (pattern recognition) or introverted feeling (deeply personal value systems) as their dominant function.
The interesting thing about the MBTI is that the types are not equally distributed among the population. Types with dominant extraverted functions occur at a higher percentage than introverts, sensing is more prevalent than intuition, etc. Introverted intuition as the dominant function only turns up in about 3-5% of people, iirc. If you added up the numbers of people who have introverted intuition or introverted feeling as either their most or their second-most preferred function, I suspect you'd come pretty close to the percentage of jab-resisters.
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Date: 2023-07-22 11:22 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 12:42 pm (UTC)I still think there is a connection, especially since so many of the appeals seem to focus on the different dominant functions: "Follow the science!" is such a Te-targeted slogan! "Save grandma! (Your grandma, everybody's grandma)" seems designed to trigger Fe. "Safe and effective (just a vaccination like all the other good vaccinations you had)" is made for Si. "You'll be allowed to travel again"? That's for all the Ne-dominants out there. "It's just a tiny prick" for the Se.
And the Ti, Fi and Ni are the conspiracy nuts, anti-vaxx deplorables. Good thing there are so few of them that we don't have to think up slogans for them, too.
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Date: 2023-07-23 04:28 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 09:22 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 10:04 pm (UTC)The counties ringing San Francisco Bay were the first to have their public health departments "mandate" indoor masking "guidelines" in a coordinated fashion effective March 17, 2020 before the federal government got into that act.
I saw at her home:
- her single story house had a front yard rock garden with mostly all spike-y and drought tolerant plants
- a perfectly clean and freshly washed car in the driveway
(such hypocrisy)
- not a speck of dust or dirt on her driveway or front walkway
(confirmation: a clean freak)
- no windows in front but for narrow black tinted slitty ones and in her entire block her house was the only one not "open" in any way to the street
(she likes to hide from her neighbors, not comfy with transparency)
A half block away I sat in the Gamble Garden under 300+ year old oaks and put my bare feet on the ground. Strange to be the only one there when normally many people are there. I suddenly snarled aloud, "Get a grip people!" but knew instantly it was futile. Too many uneducated idiot sheep were all around me thrilled and excited to "work from home" as they had already started to virtue signal up their whazoos with their Branch Covidian masks and counting heads for their "bubbles" of who would be "in" and who is "out" in their work and social circles.
The first County day of "required" masks indoors at businesses, I went to a local bank. Put on my widest brimmed hat, draped a see-through long silk scarf around it to fall loosely over my nose and mouth like an Edwardian lady's ridiculous hat. Not one peep did I hear from anyone in the bank that my scarf-mask was pointless. I walked out of that bank knowing mass insanity had already happened.
I've never heard any "voices" telling me to get jabbed. Maybe because I don't have a smart phone to transmit the very likely REM dream and other subliminal radio messages I'm pretty sure have been happening covertly for decades in the USA urban areas and overtly via the mass media.
In June 2020 when the madness did not end, had a vivid dream of Spanish men tearing down 5G towers with their bloody hands, and I knew I needed a mental boost to combat the growing insanity. I retreated to music searching out songs that made me profoundly happy. In January 2021, I began writing to try to make sense of the fiasco as a witness. I spent 100's of hours in person, on the telephone, and online with friends trying to convince them not to be jabbed and if forced the many legal ways to avoid it. A mostly futile effort but I still try to help anyone considering not getting more jabs.
When I was ostracized at Christmas 2021 by my entire family in my county for being unjabbed I turned to home gardening to grow more food and herbs while learning as much as I can about cheap old peasant & healer foods as medicine. Made new friends in the music, gardening, and agricultural communities. Befriended my local wild birds and squirrels. For "clarity" now, all I have to do is sit under an old tree and open my heart and mind.
Never had an urge for a millisecond to take a bat flu jab. My County is said to have 84% who got at least one jab. The bad batch research suggests my 73%+ politically "blue" county did not get much or any of the ultra-bad batches. But, I've lost count of the number of county friends and family I know plagued with what they call "long covid."
I've met in person many of the biggest Silly Valley software tech titans and some of the biotech company top executives. Without exception I've found them soulless. Lost boys. Very self-centered like toddlers under age 2. Those under age 50 never got their human body language skills wired up during puberty thanks to spending too much time in those years staring at computer and telephone screens. They can never have enough power, money and attention to be happy. They'd sell their souls to any devil in a heartbeat to immerse and insulate themselves forever in their fake techno-heaven. Right now, the greatest concentration of wealth ever assembled in human history - over $9 trillion in market capitalization - sits between San Francisco and San Jose, California. Those who control that pile pf cash have bought the politicians laws they want.
A tiny bit of local good news. The Stanford University medical PhD president just resigned after being caught faking too much very sloppy science in his published scientific papers. The official investigation had been perking along for more than a year after the student newspaper outed him. Clarity like truth eventually emerges.
W.R.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 12:41 am (UTC)When 'a mall development' in Kitchener, Ontario was putting down roots in downtown Kitchener (decades ago) they needed the space the one hundred year + (and gorgeous) city hall was sitting on. A secret deal was struck with the city fathers. It was going to come down by hook or by crook. A university professor railed against this in the student newspaper and this went........nowwhere. Down it came. And that 'mall development' today? I think bankrupt.....what a waste.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 09:57 am (UTC)This is a fascinating point. I had assumed that neither I nor my husband had heard any "voices" (neither for, nor against) since we are both prosaically "deaf" in other planes other than in dreams or pathworking. But as a data point towards this hypothesis, I only briefly used smartphones, but had given them up as a bad job long before 2020, and my husband has never touched anything "technical" - cellphone, smartphone, credit card, computer screen, washing machine, cars - all of these mysterious technomagics have simply passed him by, unscathed. So, no smartphones in the house.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 10:28 pm (UTC)In the case of my wife and myself, we were massively fortunate to both be recent retirees, me in February 2019 and my wife in February 2020. Both of us being moderately comfortable in our retirement income situation, due in large part not to big investments or lots of savings but rather to having implemented JMG’s powerful suggestion to “Collapse Now And Avoid The Rush” several years prior, we could look at the seemingly-global deranged Coof behavior & policies and mostly just say “meh.” Slipping through the cracks!
Reviewing my photo archive, I can see how my wife and I did numerous workarounds which nourished our sanity and our fundamental humanity. We live in California, which was one of the more-extreme locations in the USA for Coof-Craziness, but of course places like Canada and New Zealand made California look like a return to the laid-back “Hey, Wow man” era of the 1960s.
Being retired, I could view the world through the panicked glances of the checkers at the supermarket, looking at frantic customers buying huge stacks of toilet paper and pre-assembled hamburgers. It was really quite heart-wrenching. I was SO glad I no longer had to work!
My wife and I quickly innovated our way into being out-and-about through using our electric bikes and camping equipment to go on numerous jaunts to parks and school yards, picnicing. We did succumb to the initial panic of wiping down purchased food with cleaning wipes, but when it quickly became obvious the Coof didn’t spread that way we chilled on doing that.
Here’s our first “exercise outing” in March of 2020 (technically, we were under a “stay at home” lockdown but there were exemptions for “exercise”):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4FK8juhiSzYBCgtB9
I have a background oh-so-many-years-ago in biology, so I was following along the numerous discussions about Coof and later the developments & then release of the Gene Therapy. The mainstream narrative made me scratch and shake my head in dismay many times. But the numerous reasoned discussions here in Archdruid Land kept me on a reasonably even keel.
One of my brother’s daughters was getting married in mid-2020, so we drove to Wyoming to attend. Supposedly a stay-at-home order in Cali then, but… bah. During that trip, we noticed the very powerful class divide that Coof accentuated: walk into a high-end mountaineering store and you’d be jumped upon by staff shrilly insisting on tight-fitting masks and liberal dousing of hands in alcohol gel, but walk across the street to a working-class jewelry store and the owner would shrug and say “wear a mask if it makes you feel comfortable, doesn’t bother me either way.” Walking along the trails at Bryce Canyon we noticed that those who were wearing masks were stepping out of Teslas or high-end Audis wearing sweatshirts with Ivy League logos.
We went camping in Lassen National Park with some friends in August of 2020. The mix of hikers and campers was something to behold. Saw and talked to several cheery families where the husband sported a “MAGA” hat or equivalent, all maskless and quite engaging, which dramatically contrasted to the other masked families out on trails GLARING at all & sundry with the obvious message that they viewed every human being as extremely-dangerous mobile biological contaminators which should be rounded up and exterminated (the trails had little signs suggesting mask wearing; masks were required in all park buildings.) Seemed kind of ridiculous to be fearing an airborne respiratory virus infection on breezy sunlit days outdoors!
To vaxx or not to vaxx was not really an issue for us; I could see that both of us being free of any co-morbidities other than being in our 60s were well down on the scale of “oooh, scary, gonna die” from the 🦠.
The ridiculousness of having to tote thirty pages of mostly French-language filled-out forms and reports when we visited my wife’s mother in France in 2021 (she, in her 90s, was recovering from Coof, which allowed us to get a written statement from her physician that, along with my wife’s French passport, allowed us to fly there) and then to have NO ONE look at all the forms except the gate agent in Burbank: well, priceless. And flying trans-Atlantic on a 300-passenger airplane with only about 25 passengers aboard (several were rejected at the boarding area in DFW) was quite a new experience, along with landing at De Gaulle airport to notice we were the only plane moving on the entire airfield at 8 in the morning!
If you could somehow wrangle the system, as we did, and were able to travel internationally, US citizens still needed to get tested to return to the USA. On our trip to England and France in 2022, my wife got a semi-frantic email from the local village pharmacy: she tested positive! But it was a very weak positive, and for some unknown reason they decided it’d be OK if she took a second test. That one came up NEGATIF so we were good to go. We wended back home, and she was as usual kinda jet-lagged and tired, but perhaps more so than prior journeys. On a whim, popped out an antigen test and tested her: POSITIVE! She was pretty sick for a couple of weeks, with an illness unlike any she’d had before, but I stayed un-ill and felt (& tested) fine. Huh, perhaps I’d had the Coof and had been asymptomatic, though there were the couple of days of vertigo I had when we were visiting New Orleans in March 2020. Hmmm.
I finally got Coofed in late November of 2022, after attending a Thanksgiving gathering. Definitely out of action for a week, and slow recovery for another week or so, but nothing remotely life-threatening. And my wife stayed healthy!
Many years prior, I’d been on a high-pressure spaceflight project where they encouraged all team members to get a flu shot at the work infirmary. That season I got sick three times, very uncharacteristic of me, and hauled around a sore arm for many months. My conclusion: these “vaccine” shots aren’t what they’re cracked up to be. I continued to donate blood regularly, so it wasn’t an aversion to being stabbed but rather an assesment that… something was off.
My wife had, even earlier, taken affront at the jab schedule imposed on her son. Her investigations exposed her to writings where, even decades ago, reasonable people were starting to question the whole obsession of the vaxx mania.
Our spiritual practices were and are complimentary to non-conformism, thus with the independence of being retired we were both comfortable in staying jab-free. We give thanks to our respective allies for keeping us equanimous.
Aspies like myself have a bit of an aversion to lying (well, perhaps an incapability of being successful at lying), but a great workaround in that case is that Aspies are oftentimes very literal, so the signs saying “no admittance without vaccination” or “masks must be worn if you’re not vaccinated” were easy to waltz by mask-free: why yes, I have been vaccinated! (And it’s none of your business precisely which vaccine I’m referring to…) 😃
During the whole sad tedious dreary Coof interval, I did develop a new hobby: surreptitiously removing Coof signs. It’s quite amazing to me that you can (discreetely) lean over and peel a “six feet” sticker off the floor and no one will seemingly notice. Taking signs off front doors is also quite doable, again with discretion. Perhaps the same skill set as used by pickpockets?
Kudos to Danbashaw for initiating this thread, and many many thanks to JMG for providing this forum. Reading through the replies so far, I’m overwhelmed with the diversity and power of the testimonies.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:29 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-24 07:39 pm (UTC)So what is that-- TP hoarding and shortages? Not survival. Not necessity. Fear. Of what, exactly? It seems to crystallize, in a simple white roll (why is it white? why do we bleach something that we're going to clean up excrement with? why isn't it kraft brown, wouldn't that be cheaper and less polluting?), every modern fear-- fear of biology, fear of contamination, fear of poverty, fear of nature... one object that represents the weird excess of modern industrial civilization. Take it away, and there's so much that people would be forced to re-think... this is why the TP panic. If there's anything modern western people don't want to examine, it's their lifestyles-- excess, convenience, waste. Give me TP or give me death, right?
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 02:17 am (UTC)love the photo and THIS (above) made my night. :-) Thank you.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 02:30 am (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:04 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:18 pm (UTC)When cooties showed up I was not concerned. I have never had the flu in my life (now mid-50's). None of my immediate family has ever had the flu, including my grandparents who were children during the Spanish Flu. I said that I would like to meet this virus and make friends with it, and I wasn't joking.
So when the shots came out I was not interested in taking one. I mean, why would I? It's all risk and no benefit. And by 2021, it was clear that cooties wasn't anywhere near as deadly as they claimed at first. But then the mandates came out, and it really looked like I would lose my career of 28 years. So, okay, I see the benefit now, sort of.
My very first thought when the shots came out was that there is no way the can claim "safe and effective" with such a new drug. No long-term data at all? Thanks, but come back in a year or two and we'll see. But to MANDATE that everyone take it? It didn't make any sense. Not medically anyway. That really got my hackles up! If it's so good, there should be no reason to mandate it. I became very suspicious and very determined not to take it.
The thought of losing my job was a heavy burden, and I was in a dark place. I vowed to stand my ground, and when they come for me to die in a fire-fight and try to take at least one of them with me. I never actually contemplated suicide, but I think one of the only things that prevented that was the existence of this forum where I could see that I was not alone and I could get information that I trusted. If JMG had refused to discuss it, as he did at first, I don't know what would have happened to me. Certainly nothing good.
Fortunately, I didn't lose my job, and I didn't quit out of fear of losing my job. They still haven't lifted the mandate, they're just "not enforcing it", which is not reassuring, but we take it day by day. If nothing else this has been a very eye-opening and life-changing experience to live through.
-Slink
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:28 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 12:47 am (UTC)Obviously I fired the vet. We decided on hands off, no-drama, let the cat have his last days in peace. In the meantime, I dramatically reduced the thyroid meds and started him on a high protein diet (in spite of diabetes-caused kidney issues). He lived another three fantastic years.
That experience primed me to suspect medical experts a few months later when things went sideways in the human realm.
I kept looking at our county's "dashboard" and scanning the local paper for information which I could use to assess risk and all they would tell us was that x number of women in my age group had been infected and y number had died. There was never info about comorbidities or risk factors - and that just raised red flags for me.
My family did succumb to some of the propaganda. We didn't question masks because our previous years living in Asia had normalized their use and we thought they DID work. To my immense regret, I was unable to convince my two daughters to avoid the injections - both seem to be ok as of this point, and eventually the youngest woke up and is now on the same page I'm on. My husband managed to sidestep Germany's requirements for his work-required travel there and so the two of us remain uninjected.
When IM Doc at Naked Capitalism deconstructed the Pfizer study documents when they were first released, there were too many more red flags waving around - and then when it turned out that the control group was injected, I knew that this was not about "science."
I credit a lot of the information shared here and on the main blog for helping me keep a clear mental field by which to assess all the social and media stupidity and decide not to partake.
I appreciate hearing everyone else's story. I have a small social circle (more like a social dot - I mostly stay home) and didn't experience the full awfulness, so I don't think I had it nearly as hard as many of you. You have my respect.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 06:26 am (UTC)My husband has struggled with diabetes for decades. Under the "care" of Japan's medical system, he was clearly going downhill. I had heard about low-carbohydrate dieting and had good experiences with it, plus a bad experience on the calorie-restricted diet they were trying to get my husband to stick to. At one point, they had him scheduled for renal dialysis, and I had a look at his bloodwork, and his kidneys were fine.
My husband did not go in for the dialysis, but began a fasting and dietary routine that got him out of immediate danger. We later learned that hospitals try to push their patients into dialysis, because they get big subsidies for it.
All along I had been trying to convey information I was learning about alternative modalities from sources overseas, but if he couldn't read about it in Japanese for himself, he wasn't going to understand enough to be able to try it out. To make a long story short, we visited Dr. Mercola's clinic when he still had one and later found a decent doctor in Japan (who has been hounded out since) who could teach my husband to take insulin.
Regarding US doctors, my mother's doctor had her on a drug that was notorious for harming kidneys, though she already had kidney issues. She (the doctor) said, "You're kidneys are not that bad." Well, they are now.
I had no trust in experts' assurances of "safe and effective." And don't get me started on cellphones!
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 04:01 pm (UTC)1. The 'discovery' of the virus happened late in the day on 31 December. This means nothing in and of itself, just that it's a big red flag screaming out 'EXPERIMENT!!'
2. After a grand total of only one (yes, count them: 1 ) casualty, and all other (and non-fatal, mind you) cases all limited to one city, a worldwide pandemic was declared. There was no factual basis for making that claim.
3. Then the race was on for a military exercise to 'rescue' certain individuals from the Wuhan quarantine. So you can stop the spread of the disease? Really??
(At this point, it's '3 strikes, you're out!' but the band played on...)
4. The virus was found to have a gestation period lasting up to 3 weeks - so the length of quarantine was set at 14 days. Yes, that's right: symptoms might not appear until up to 22 days after exposure, so if we don't see any in the first 14, we'll let you go. Help me out here: how does one do good reliable science without the skills of basic arithmetic?
5. Okay, lock the whole country down in quarantine for a couple of weeks if you think that'll help. But do you really have to have every news media in the country announce it again and again and again at 5 minute intervals for months on end? That policy of relentless repetition alone meant the message is pure propaganda.
6. Stock up on toilet paper? Really? If we run out of that stuff, we can use a wet cloth and wash it out after. The general lack of interest in non-perishable food items and basic first-aid supplies was astoundingly absurd.
7. Border patrols were a sham. There was a big holy show of blocking the highways and bridges crossing the interprovincial borders, but a show was all it was. I live in Ontario and work in Quebec, and after the initial panic lockdown (once my employer became listed as an 'essential service') I went back to work. I must have crossed that border no less than 200 times and never once met a patrol because where I cross is not a major highway.
8. People everywhere around me were testing for the virus. A great many tests came back positive, but very few of them ever developed symptoms and NOBODY died. How much of a threat is the disease if you can be infected with it and not even get sick, much less die from it?
9. When the vaccines showed up, vaccinated people were still required to do the mask-and-glove thing. WHY?
This is just a sample of what I noticed that all added up to one inescapable conclusion: there is something blatantly dishonest at work here, so the vaccines should not be trusted. Long before they were even introduced, my wife and I had made up our minds not to accept them. When the local hospital called to schedule our vaccine appointments she told them to go get stuffed, and then promptly hung up the phone. We were never approached about it again.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 06:42 pm (UTC)But it wasn't until I was sitting up at the American Legion, swilling a beer and watching hoops in early March of 2020 that the seriousness of the reaction set in. The crawl came across the screen that the Big 10 basketball tournament was being canceled, and not long after that the crawl said the NCAA tourney March Madness was also being canceled. I couldn't believe that all that money was being flushed down the drain for a common chest cold. As a side note, that was the last night the Legion held their Queen of Hearts contest for over a year.
I was not at all convinced there was an emergency, and certainly not a pandemic. Even early CDC numbers stated a 99.74% survival rate. From that point on I didn't want to give .gov the satisfaction I was going to cooperate. When I was laid off temporarily in April and May of 2020, I went on plenty of motorcycle rides in downstate Illinois and Indiana, in spite of Pritzger's lockdowns.
I had no opinion about Vaxxes, since I don't have any kids, but hadn't had a shot since I was in the military almost 40 years ago. If anything I leaned towards getting them, since years of propaganda had labeled the anti-vaxxers nut cases. However, Denninger was soon on the trail of that, and before they were released he warned of the dangers of MRNA technology. Between the posts here and on Denninger's blog, it was easy to have the technical ammo to "Just Say No" to the Jabs. Unfortunately, most of my friends and relatives got at least one shot, but I was spared most of the pressures that many endured.
Now, I just want a whole lot of accountability.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-20 08:40 pm (UTC)Wasn't a fan of the guy before he got to be top dog, but the rabid and factually fragile reaction of his opposition kept me vigilant on where the smell was coming from.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 01:03 am (UTC)Initially, I was certain that nothing that no new drug, using such a novel technology, could claim safety. On general principle, I don't trust new drugs, and "wait and see" seemed the only wise choice. As the propaganda campaign ramped up to take the shots, I bristled. I long ago traveled and studied in the USSR, so I think that gave me a much better nose for propaganda than many people, and I dug in my heels more, despite not having any real specifics. Listening to Malone and Kirsch on Rogan's podcast was a revelation, as was running across Geert Van den Bossche's early aricles. I had specifics to hang my instincts on now.
I now knew firmly that I could not consent to the pressure. I risked my job at a place under high pressure to vax all staff, and applied for a religious exemption in the fall of 2021. It was granted, which still surprises me, but I did submit some supporting attestations from some members of my Quaker meeting affirming that my objections seemed a genuine "leading" in Quaker-speak. But I was ready to lose my job over it, and this community helped me greatly in staying true to a deep sense of what was right. As I posted here years ago now, I would awake in the middle of the night and notice how many disparate currents in my eccentric life had converged to this single point. I had to say, "No."
I had once instance of a seductive little voice in the middle of the night-- "Oh, just take the shot, it'll be easier, and you won't be harmed." My conscience immediately answered: "NO!" (or perhaps it was my innate stubborness.) Another time, I awoke in the middle of the night and realized what a twisty, conventionally unsuccessful path my life had taken. Another voice jumped in, reassuringly, "Well, you are eccentric. And that's an accomplishment!" I have had some success in maintaining a connection with that entity, whom I believe to be Theotokos (I got her name from someone posting here months ago, and it seems to fit.)
When my Quaker meeting established a "separate but equal" worship policy for the unvaccinated (me!) I ultimately realized that these were not the people I thought I knew, and I have stopped participating. No doubt there is some work for me to do here on forgiveness, but I'm sure that my break is more than just sour grapes. They were not who they claimed when it counted. I've started an association with an esoteric order JMG mentioned here, and on almost all days I do at least a mediation and some prayer. I am exploring unconventional spiritual paths-- independent sacramental movement, polytheism, Rosicrucianism, divination. All of it drives home that I live far too much in my head, but also that the world is filled with magic. What a time to witness, to make some small change in, and simply to be alive.
The people here have been my single biggest support for three years. Thanks to you all.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 07:31 am (UTC)Turned out it wasn't. There was no mass death in countries without China's total information control and as the media fearmongering ramped up the holes in the story became more apparent. By June 2020 I was ignoring most of the control measures and tiptoeing around the madness when I had to.
Then they said a vaccine was coming out. From the get-go it sounded like a dodgy idea because all prior attempts at coronavirus vaccines had killed the animals they were tested on. Then they explained that it was actually a gene therapy shot that would alter your cells so as to make them produce a pathogen. I decided to sit it out for at least six months and see what happened to the people who took it. No point in volunteering to be a guinea pig, right?
Then came the heavy-handed coercion, the collective insanity of governments and media, and a steady stream of reports of mysterious illnesses and deaths, so many that the governments couldn't even do a proper job of covering them up. The decision made itself: never in a million years would I get the shot.
I never heard the voices people talk about and I had the great fortune of working jobs that didn't ask for private medical information. To me it felt like a simple 101-level test of critical thinking. Now the governments and the media are trying to push it all down the memory hole, but I have a feeling that, as they used to say, they may be done with Covid but Covid isn't done with them.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-21 11:23 pm (UTC)The basic formula is: A<BxC If this statement is true, then it is worthwhile to do the thing, because the benefit is greater than the cost. Here, A is the cost of mitigating a risk (in this case, that's mostly the side effects of the shots). B is the risk that you are trying to mitigate (the danger posed by "covid"). C is the degree to which risk B will be reduced by the proposed mitigation strategy. At the time when the experimental gene therapy was becoming available, the cost A was pretty much unknown. The long-term risks were, of course, completely unknown. Even the phony trials had found enough problems to suggest that the short-term risks were not trivial. Effectiveness C was advertised as close to 100%, although a close reading of the trial data suggested it was quite a bit lower than that. The one factor that was pretty well established by that point was the danger of covid B. Based on what I knew at the time, it looked like for an otherwise healthy person under 60 or so the risk was pretty dang close to zero. If factor B in the equation is zero, then it doesn't matter what the other two factors are. There is no scenario where it makes sense to pursue a mitigation strategy because the cost will always be greater than the benefit. In 2020, it still looked like there might be some people for whom risk B was great enough that the formula might resolve to TRUE and thus recommend getting the shot. With what I know now, I'm not convinced that it ever makes sense for anyone. However, if I had been part of a "vulnerable population" I might have gone for it based on what I thought I knew in 2020. I certainly don't fault my parents for their decision to get it.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-22 09:05 am (UTC)The coof itself was the worst kind of flu-like thing I've ever had. It started out mildly enough, but had me down and out of action for six weeks. It was the weirdest thing, symptoms coming and going and moving about, like the faults in a 1970s car from British Leyland... Six weeks of that before I could consider going anywhere outside further than the 15 m distance from the front door to the gate and mailbox by the road, and back, then crash for four hours. I had some friends help with purchasing food, and they left the bags by the gate then I could pick them up there.
While this was going on, I had time to read and research what this was all about, what was going on inside me, as well as finding out what food to eat or not eat, and if any vitamin or mineral supplements as well as other drugs were good or not. Sceptical, I did want to know what I ate, having been aware of the problems with carbohydrates and weight gain for more than 10 years already. So this investigation came naturally to me -- I've always been wanting to find out how everything works, ever since I took apart alarm clocks, speedometers and transistor radios, as a kid. Now I don't have the equipment to actually look at small things like viruses, so I had to be content with second-hand observations and descriptions. Plenty of these; I was not bored.
There were reports of how people who had had the SARS-COV-1 still were immune to that more than 10 years later, and something similar could be expected for this second version. So here was another justification for no jab after the sickness.
And the jab, there were some very interesting articles about how it had been figured out, how the uracil nucleic acid had been replaced by pseudouridine, and the lipid nanoparticles were used to make sure this stuff stayed around long enough to have the cells in the body make the spike proteins. Experimental as could be, and soon the questionable effects started to become known, which the jabbed ones getting sick over and over.
Somehow, a number of friends also had decided, independently of me and each other, that this jabbing activity was not for them. That was a pleasant surprise. But many others have had the jab, most of them now look quite a bit older than their chronological age.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 04:24 am (UTC)The jab was first offered to us in December 2020.
I declined early on, though I did think, at that point, that I would eventually get it. However, when they were first rolled out it was in smaller batches and I felt that there were other HCWs who were in more dire need than I was. I worked casual ER Registration, so my shifts were on a called out basis, not full or even part-time; my contact with patients was already minimal. I decided I'd like the nurses and doctors on the frontline, or people taking care of our elderly, get first dibs before I moseyed on over to get mine.
As well, I wanted to wait and see a little bit -- I'd had bad reactions to flu vaxxes before, and this was new enough I wanted to know more before I just went and got it done. So I'd wait before I rolled up my sleeve.
Or, that was the logical thread going through my head. Underneath, there was a pulling in my gut: a very clear no. Do not do this. This will be the end of you.
The pulling in my gut didn't make sense to the brain that had been trained to accept Western Medicine as infallible, so -- very unlike my usual MO of always trusting my gut -- I did my best to ignore the finality of it and just told myself I was waiting and seeing.
This went on for a while -- we had several small batches arrive over the first half of 2021, and every time I declined, thinking through my logical process, feeling the pull in my gut get stronger each time, still consciously thinking, "Oh, I'll get it eventually, I'm sure I will."
In the meantime, my husband was, as is his love language, sending me links to things online that he found amusing or interesting. A big part of that was the theatre, for lack of a better term, around the jab rollout. All the big shows of "Look, this person is getting jabbed on live TV!" and when you look close there was...no needle. Or the plunger was already down. Or it was administered in such a way as to clearly be not an actual administration. On and on.
He sent me links, and we talked about it, and he kept saying, "I mean, I want to believe it's a good thing but...why all the theatre around it? If it's so great, why are they doing this?"
I didn't have an answer for him.
In May 2021, I started a full-time rotation at our ER Registration.
The hospital I worked at is in a small town -- as of the 2016 census, our stable yearly population was roughly 13K. It swells to about 20K in the summer.
Despite the tiny nature of my town, during my full-time rotation in ER Reg (which ended up being about 6 months), I saw an average of 1 vaxx injury a day.
I don't mean that every time the docs would conclude it was one; I mean, on the whole, I saw at least 1 a day of either an ER front page that concluded post-vaxx injury, or I saw a patient who came in and the first thing they said was "I just got the vaxx and immediately got such and such symptoms." Whether or not it was officially diagnosed as such, I saw enough people coming in stating their thoughts as to the cause -- and you have to trust the patient. (Something medicine has forgotten.)
As I watched this happen, I watched the broader narrative shift and change. It happened so fast as to be unbelievable.
I watched the stories pile up of vax injuries, and saw with growing concern the mounting body of evidence that the jab was interfering with women's menstrual cycles.
My lifelong dream is to have children, and my husband and I were going to start trying once my work morphed into full-time and I got benefits (and he was able to join me in said small town -- we've spent 3 years being partially long-distance). As the evidence for the jab interfering with the reproductive system piled up, I realized to take it would be a huge, risky gamble against my future fertility (something I already had concerns about).
All of these factors compounded, and by June 2021 I realized that the tugging in my gut, that had been yelling, trying to get my attention -- I realized it could not be ignored. If I got the jab, it would be the end of me. I knew it in my bones.
Later, I got confirmation from my main three deities that the jab was bad news, and that they were working to protect me and my loved ones as much as possible.
While I realized my gut feeling was likely a message from my gods, I didn't really glom on to the more spiritual component of the danger of the jab or how effective the propaganda was, not right away -- I interpreted "end of me" to refer to physical realities, like my health or ability to be a mother or my very life, and saw it as making sense that my gods would want me to continue to exist (I am more use to them alive, after all).
As time has gone on, and I've witnessed...things I find unfathomable within the pagan sphere, I realized there has to be something metaphysical going on with the whole thing (thanks in no small part to the forum here and the many good discussions that have opened my eyes to a whole realm of possibilities). Otherwise there's no other way to explain the abrupt about-face I've seen in people I thought I knew who went from being hippy/crunchy/distrust-the-man type pagan polytheists to "you need to get jabbed otherwise the gods will turn their backs on you."
I am still very angry about all this. As recently as last fall, they were preventing unjabbed people from visiting loved ones in hospital. Even if you were married. How I know? My husband almost died last year, with a bilateral pulmonary embolism. We came in to ER just in time. While he was admitted but in ER overflow (something all hospitals have for inpatients), I was able to see him (and care for him in ways the nurses did not have the time/energy to do). Towards the end of his stay, they moved him up to the ward, and for over 24 hours I was not allowed to go see him.
The only thing that stopped me from trying to anyway and making a scene was him begging me not to.
We got through it, and he's okay now -- but I still think about that and am suffused with rage. And I think, may all the people who had a hand in keeping me from my husband's side -- may they know the mercy of Hera.
And I can't say anything else about my feelings, or I'll have the RCMP knocking on my door.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 04:51 pm (UTC)Bingo.
There were numerous reasons why I was inclined to suspicion from the get-go, but when I saw the way the authorities and the media were acting, I knew that the whole vax program was evil.
If you have to bribe, bully, manipulate, lie, pressure, insult, vilify, name-call, threaten, exclude, scapegoat, marginalize, and punish in order to get people to go along with your program, then what that means is that your program is, by definition, a bad thing.
They showed their hand, and it was ugly beyond belief.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 08:40 pm (UTC)FWIW, I find I can get a healthy daily laugh every time I smile broadly at the nervous-Nelly or virtue-signaling masked people I meet hoping to give them courage to take off their masks. So far, l've gotten a handful of strangers spontaneously to pull off their masks immediately which led to nice chats. That daily positivity practice stops me from being angry and gives me hope.
A fellow rebel with a cause,
W.R.
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 09:21 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 09:00 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-23 11:50 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-24 07:26 pm (UTC)I was kind of 'prepped' by the Mexican flu hoax in 2009. Back then there was a lot of panicking created in the media. I have a background in statics and like to dig into things. I live in Europe and saw that in Australia (Southern hemisphere so they had this flu 6 months earlier) *less* people had died from the flu than on average. So I wondered why there was so much ado about nothing. I found then that it was because the WHO had declared it a pandemic. So I wondered why the WHO had declared this relative harmless virus to be a pandemic. I found that it was because they changed the definition in such a way that the yearly flu would always fit that particular definition of pandemic. I then looked into why the WHO would do that. I found my answer when I discovered that the WHO is 90% financed by the pharmaceutical industry. Back then I naively expected the truth to come out some day and the perpetrators punished, but of course such a thing never happened.
Fast forward to 2020. Many things are the same this time, down to the detail of the definition-shanenigans of the WHO (this time they changed the definition of 'vaccine'). Just like last time there is a drive to get as many people vaccinated as possible and the WHO is dutifully saying whatever Big Pharma wants it to say. This time the fear factor was pumped up by a factor 10. I'm not sure what was the cause of that, but as on cue many people suddenly seemed especially fearful and when I questioned them I was shouted down.
This was in March 2020 and things were deteriorating fast. I studied the work of Didier Raoult who published promising results with Hydrochloroquine as early treatment. Considering the fact that the disease was only 2 months old he produced solid work, but he was burned in the media where 'experts' demanded double blind studies with multiple year duration. Completely dishonest critiques in other words.
Although I can understand the first lockdown as we didn't know much about the disease, I saw that the second lockdown in September 2020 was not in any way supported by the data. It became clear that the one and only allowed story was that we had to cower inside in fear until our salvation would come in the form of a vaccine.
When I learned that the vaccine used new and untested technology, I knew that I didn't want it. Especially as it was clear thet I don't fall in the group that is of higher risk. In retrospect I believe that the vax campaign should have stopped immediately when dr Byram Bride came out whith proof that the vax spreads all through the body and doesn't stay in the delta muscle. This introduces immense risk, like when the LNP get into non-regenerating cells like heart cells. When the immune system attacks those cells (as it should), it means permanent loss of heart capacity. And this is just one example of what is wrong. dr Bridle came out with the proof late May 2021 and yet the vax still isn't prohibited.
In August 2021 I happened upon mortality statistics of my country. My intuition immediately told me that something was wrong. I spend an evening looking for and analysing data and saw that the baseline mortality had shifted upward since April 2021. That's when I knew something was seriously wrong with the vax. Not much later I found this forum.
Today mortality in the West seems about 10% higher than before Covid (% wise even more in working age people and less in retired people). Live births are 10% lower than before Covid. The past two years these percentages have been quite stable but it gets ever more difficult to find dependable data as the governments do everything they can to muddle the waters. Most people do not want to talk about what happened or where we are now, and there are several other shoes about to drop that are not Covid related. We live in interesting times as they say...
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-25 07:11 am (UTC)Thanks for sharing your experience! The yearly flu is interesting. It starts at the same time in every part of the Northern hemisphere. That seems incompatible with the theory that it spreads by human contact. What do you make of that?
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:28 pm (UTC)Thanks JMG, thanks forumistas.
This week I feel things getting stormier.
Cetiosaurus
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:30 pm (UTC)Press Release: CDC and NIH Policies During Pandemic Had No Proven Benefit to Public Health, Finds Report
National Association of Scholars
NY July 18, 2023
https://www.nas.org/blogs/press_release/cdc-and-nih-policies-during-pandemic-had-no-proven-benefit-to-public-health-finds-report
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 06:51 pm (UTC)"In April, 2023, Certified Nurse Midwife (CNM) Kathie Breault was indicted in the Eastern States District Federal Court for “Conspiracy to Defraud the United States” for giving vaccination cards to people who did not receive Covid-19 vaccinations. Her defense is that the vaccinations were ineffective and harmful, and to administer them would violate the Hippocratic oath of health professionals (First do no harm). Her legal battle against a dishonest and vindictive federal government will require lawyer’s fees that exceed her ability to pay — a reminder that “the process is the punishment.”
Kathie has also been accused of “professional misconduct” by the New York State Licensing Board for prescribing Ivermectin via telehealth visits in July 2021. Many other medical practitioners across the United States have been similarly persecuted and some have lost their licenses to practice. Kathie has been under investigation by New York’s Office of Professional Discipline since March 2022. No decision has been reached as of May 2023."
A link to any interested in contributing to Katyh's legal defense fund: https://www.givesendgo.com/GANF9
Excess deaths in US have dropped
Date: 2023-07-18 07:10 pm (UTC)https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~USA
No matter to what you attribute the excess deaths, I think that's good news. Hopefully the effects of the novel virus/untested vax/whatever malevolent influence are finally waning.
--Ms. Krieger
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:46 pm (UTC)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/18/more-than-28000-convicted-of-covid-rule-breaches-in-england-and-wales
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:58 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 11:19 pm (UTC)Would you mind explaining the difference between these?
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-19 06:24 pm (UTC)I have no idea what Canada's problem is, though.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-19 10:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-20 03:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-22 12:11 pm (UTC)There may be some very dark things happening under the surface of Canadian society, and the nation may be starting to experience the blowback. The unanswered questions around the conviction of suspected serial killer Robert Pickton, and the rather alarming number of disappearing indigenous women, do make me wonder about what has been happening behind the scenes.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-19 12:02 pm (UTC)medicare
Date: 2023-07-20 06:34 am (UTC)I find not being part of a PPO or HMO ( yet on Medicare) very liberating, I don't have to be referred ny anyone, when I wanted to get help for my allergies, I just picked out a local ENT doctor office, make an appointment. When I broke my toe a few months ago, again, I just call one of many local orthopedic specialists and go. No waiting weeks, no referrals.....
Re: medicare
Date: 2023-07-24 12:15 am (UTC)The Inquisition Continues!
Date: 2023-07-19 12:27 pm (UTC)May these paragons of the medical profession be ultimately vindicated!
Freedom! Liberté! Justice!
Ron M
Re: The Inquisition Continues!
Date: 2023-07-19 08:22 pm (UTC)Delighted to hear that the kerazy peeps couldn't disqualify Dr. Peter McCullough. Ha!
Re: The Inquisition Continues!
Date: 2023-07-20 02:23 am (UTC)Ron M
Re: The Inquisition Continues!
Date: 2023-07-21 01:39 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-19 08:57 pm (UTC)Now, with cows. Scrub, rinse, repeat!
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/vaccination-for-bovine-coronavirus-launched/
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-20 08:29 am (UTC)More gene therapy at work?
Date: 2023-07-20 09:09 am (UTC)https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/veterinary/summaries-opinion/bovilis-nasalgen-c
Wonder what "stimulating the gene expression for receptors and cytokines" actually means!?
More gene therapy at work?
Re: More gene therapy at work?
Date: 2023-07-21 01:58 am (UTC)'stimulating the gene expression for receptors and cytokines...'
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-23 12:28 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-23 03:24 am (UTC)I've got a tiny beef herd and the few regular customers I have really keep me afloat. Have never discussed the coof with any of them, but even in this area overloaded with narrative believers, I know we agree on raising meat humanely rather than "efficiently."
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-23 09:36 am (UTC)natto
Date: 2023-07-19 10:44 pm (UTC)Re: natto
Date: 2023-07-20 02:34 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-19 11:21 pm (UTC)"Wonder Drug: The Secret History of Thalidomide in America and its Hidden Victims" https://www.jennifervanderbes.com/wonder-drug
Here are some of the blurbs:
"A first-rate medical thriller." -Patrick Radden Keefe
"A deeply researched and chilling must read." - Publishers Weekly, Starred
"Novelistic...riveting... A significant work." - Kirkus, Starred
"Fascinating and compassionate." - PEOPLE Magazine
"Narrative non-fiction at its most compelling." - Margot Lee Shetterly
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 01:56 am (UTC)vaxxine-domide
Vax-domide
Weather Change
Date: 2023-07-19 11:45 pm (UTC)Seems like the sky had something to say to pfizer
Re: Weather Change
Date: 2023-07-20 03:42 am (UTC)Re: Weather Change
Date: 2023-07-20 05:57 am (UTC)I think this is more like an Omen than a god punishment. Since the whole thing is really distributed around US and around the World.
It certainly is a Tower card for the narrative.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-20 02:23 am (UTC)Later I wondered why the owner behind enough plastic panels to qualify as a Yoko Ono exhibition seemingly now disliked me.
Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-20 04:01 am (UTC)We started off discussing the efficacy of the COVID jab and now it's evolved into a broad consensus of no efficacy only harm, a psyop and/or conspiracy with malign intent behind it all, plus suspicion of most vaxxes and Pharma in general. That's called progress folks! :-)
(Or maybe that's just my own biases coming out).
Also interesting that JMG wrote about the voice that warned him in advance. I sometimes wonder how we ended up on a farm in the middle of nowhere after a life spent in cities, then come lockdowns were restricted to 'only' 50,000 sq kms of country and beaches in our local Government area.
The stupid plastic screens have disappeared here recently. Even the brainless, social distancing floor stickers have been mostly scraped off.
Oh well, they have to clear headspace for Ukraine, the climate emergency, trans rights and whatever the latest woke delusions are.
Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 01:51 am (UTC)Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 03:40 pm (UTC)I actually clicked through to the article, and read it. The "healthy" child in question was obese, and, according to the text - but not the headline - of the article, probably had un-diagnosed diabetes, because he died when his blood sugar spiraled out of control and they couldn't get it fixed before it killed him. At best, he died of un-diagnosed metabolic disorder probably bought on by obesity, and exacerbated by a virus that wouldn't have killed a healthy anybody.
But the headline said "Healthy Child". Madness.
Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 04:56 pm (UTC)Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 08:13 pm (UTC)Or that respiratory viruses have always killed people who were already old and/or sick - and where by "killed" I mean "hastened the inevitable." The flu "kills" many such people every year.
At some point, we decided to ignore the difference between "virus slightly hastened the end of life like they've always done" and "virus struck down a healthy person like a car accident or bolt of lightening."
Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 10:23 pm (UTC)Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 09:40 am (UTC)Re: Your Government Loves You
Date: 2023-07-21 06:09 pm (UTC)I"ve got to believe whoever put this article together was amoral. And possessed of a very dark sense of humour.
The types that believe nothing but profit by believing nothing.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-20 09:09 am (UTC)And all this not once or twice, but week after week, month after month, against the most intense indoctrination program ever rolled out.
It dazzles one to even think about it: school closures, church closures, business closures, indoctrination of children, death threats, restriction of movement, forceful confinement to the house, threats of not even being able to buy food, people explicitly calling for the removal of the freedom fighters from society by force. Main stream media, high profile public figures preaching hate and division.
Police brutality, arrests, complete alignment of all main stream media with the oppressors, compliance by many religious figures and churches and cultural establishments, severe censorship on all media channels. In several countries, the military was deployed against the peaceful population. No notion of when it would all end.
Yet many, many people stood up, signed petitions, wrote politicians, spoke out, protested, went to the streets, collected money to fight the oppression tooth and nail, took the perpetrators to court, despite the costs. Many people have united, new media outlets have founded, groups came together to discuss what to do, time and time again. An enormous feat.
Those are the heroes of humanity, they actually rose up when history called. Many did, even though the politicians are trying to hide it. Let us not forget their strength, their courage and their sacrifices.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 01:36 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-20 12:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 07:49 am (UTC)The 'raptured' are still alive and kicking, but we've all now basically parted ways.
Time for me to grow up.
Spend my last decade or two with some different peeps.
The Ninth Mouse
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 08:11 am (UTC)I'm not the crusading 'left brain' warrior I used to be - I'm turning/turned into something different.
Something more like I was back when I was a delinquent anarchist.
Coming full circle.
But more dangerous :)
The Ninth Mouse
Astrological Angle
Date: 2023-07-20 03:05 pm (UTC)Abusive parent
Narcissism in the work place
Voice in the head that was not my conscience
There was also the Astronomy/Astrology angle.
According to what I had been reading in 2019, ancient manuscripts supported this idea of a new planetary configuration which would bring “we the people” to a deeper understanding, moving us significantly along the path of evolution. I was even using the term “reset” innocently back in 2019, because it hadn’t been compromised yet.
After all that’s happened, I still believe…
Thank you all for being there…
-waterrabbit
Re: Astrological Angle
Date: 2023-07-21 01:39 am (UTC)Today I am just returned from three weeks in the US. For the first time, I visited with and even stayed with some of the folks who found my analysis of the Event distressing or crazy. These folk run the gamut from:
"there are things we cannot talk about" as a condition of meeting.
"other close friends agree with you and that is hurtful to me as I cannot accept them any more than I can accept you."
"your comments have some merit, how much I cannot say, but I am keeping an open mind"
"whatever, dude"
As others have noted, we did not experience the intensity of the psy-op here in Japan. I did not really appreciate the absolute mind heart and soul wrenching pressure those of you in FIVE EYES nations endured. I can only humbly salute those who have come through this Event with soul and sanity intact, whether you remained faithful to insight or for whatever reason took the jab and have come through mindful. Surviving an epidemic of madness is far more difficult than a mere virus.
We should be under no doubt however that the occupying power is just that and far from walking away is watching the timing for their next play in the game of control, withering, and reduction of humanity to a unit in service to their goals.
Going forward, we have learned life lessons not to be forgotten For many of us, the Event was the moment where we learned. For others it was the moment we recalled and then exercised a long-standing practice or autonomy.
Never forget. Keep your knowledge bright. thanks to all.
Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 02:28 am (UTC)Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 05:14 am (UTC)I am not talented in astrological analysis whatsoever, but given my sign's predilection for getting at the underside of a subject, rejection of th jab by a majority is not particularly surprising.
Brave Leo in the van. Sometimes bravery comes at a cost.
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 07:37 am (UTC)Who'd have thought there'd be such a difference?
The Ninth Mouse
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 04:49 pm (UTC)Also, as a Sun in Leo, it seems I'm a 30%-er.
Still, I have to wonder why Leo features at the top of the conformance list, all the same.
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 06:00 pm (UTC)Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 11:06 pm (UTC)Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 06:10 pm (UTC)Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 06:20 pm (UTC)It does look like fire signs in general are at the top of the list.
Another thing, this survey is in Salt Lake City, Utah. Fairly high Mormon population. I think their take rate was lower than average.
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 06:31 pm (UTC)I'm not a Scorpio, but I have Pluto conjunct my ascendant, and Uranus in the first house. I'd be much more interested in people's Uranus placement than in their Sun sign, tbh.
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 08:15 pm (UTC)Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-21 06:05 pm (UTC)It was in the vein of those online news articles 'What Does The Brady Bunch Look Like Now' or 'Should You Marry a Binge Eater' type of blah...
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-22 09:18 am (UTC)Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-22 01:05 pm (UTC)-waterrabbit
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-23 07:07 am (UTC)A Water Rabbit, too.
W.R.
Re: Astrology and the Jab
Date: 2023-07-23 03:40 pm (UTC)Leo is associated with luxuries and crowd-pleasing, so of course they'd be more likely to take it.
Aquarius, though Leo's polar opposite and associated with iconoclasm, is also associated with science and technology and would be more likely to take it on that basis.
Aries and Sagittarius, as fire signs, would be more likely to accept the risk. Kind of surprising, since these are probably the most "I do what I want" signs, but they also are associated with not wanting to be chained down, and would be likely to have gotten it simply for the sake of getting their privileges back.
Scorpio, of course, is associated with deep investigation and wanting to get down to the bottom of things; they're the most likely to have been skeptical from the beginning. Virgo is going to want the data first. Capricorns tend conservative and would be more likely to distrust it on the basis of it being largely untested technology. Moreover, those three signs don't have as much aversion to self-sacrifice as some of the others (this is also likely why Pisces is fourth-lowest).
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 03:22 am (UTC)Earlier this evening I attended a talk where the topic was the latest assaults on our freedoms and well-being being orchestrated by the Government of Canada and its minions. People living in other nations should also take note – this could be happening where you live!
Did you know that there is a bill (Bill C-47) currently before Parliament that would greatly increase the number and cost of the regulations that currently control the sale of Natural Health Products (NHP’s) in Canada? This bill would reclassify NHP’s as “synthetic chemical drugs”. It would effectively make the sale of vitamins and other supplements uneconomical in Canada and force health food stores, herbalists and naturopaths to discontinue the sale of such products. It would effectively put them out of business. This would make allopathic medicine with its dangerous pharmaceuticals and vaccines the only game in town.
Did you know that these proposed regulations contained in Bill C-47 are NOT coming from elected officials? Rather, these proposals are coming from UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS at Health Canada!
I have argued in the past that it will never be enough to expose the politicians. The majority of these outrageous attacks on the people of Canada are coming from the bureaucrats in this country. There is a reason they are called “Mandarins” in Canada!
Klaus Schwab and his WEF have long boasted that they have 80% of Canada’s bureaucracy onside with their plans. I wouldn’t doubt that this travesty is that boast in action.
If you want to register your disapproval, you can contact the following:
Stephen Lucas, Deputy Minister, Health Canada
Email: Stephen.lucas@hc-sc.gc.ca
Natalie Page, Director General, Natural and Non-Prescription Health Product Directorate
Email: natalie.page@hc-sc.gc.ca
The second topic of the night was “15-Minute Cities”.
Did you know that Toronto is currently being divided up into districts that will facilitate the implementation of this plan – the goal of which is TOTAL CONTROL?
If you look around you can see that roadways have been narrowed. There are now signs in many wards indicating the distance in kilometers and time to other destinations throughout the city. It is all being accomplished by stealth because they know it is unpopular. The implementation is piecemeal and covert at this point but it continues nonetheless. They don’t care what you think!
I’ll say it yet again: they will not stop until they are made to stop.
Stay vigilant!
Liam in Toronto
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 10:20 pm (UTC)Yes, the 15-minute cities horror-show is a creeping menace in Toronto and so many other cities across the nation. Given their apathy, I suspect that by the time most people wake up to the reality it will be either (a) virtually upon them or (b) already a fait accompli (like a python that slips its coils around a sleeping animal; by the time it starts to squeeze and the animal wakes up, there is no escape). But like any complex system there are weaknesses – and there are those who know about them and have been posting videos aplenty about many cheap and easy ways of ‘putting a spanner into the works’ / ‘pouring sand into the gears’. Besides, as evil and powerful as they are, the elites (parasites) are arrogant, stupid, and live in a world of make-believe where abstractions and public relations are more ‘real’ than concrete reality (case in point: Ukraine/Russia). Well, reality is going to hit them like a 2x4 square between the eyes! All the same, things look grim in the short-term.
Honk! Honk!
Ron M
Youngest Case of Alzheimer's ever
Date: 2023-07-21 05:52 pm (UTC)In China a 19 year old has been diagnosed with the youngest case of Alzheimer's disease ever reported. Mysteriously, he lacks gene malfunction normally associated with young cases of Alzheimer's. Apparently symptoms began 2 years ago. Hmmm... What unusual new factor could have entered his life around that time...
Re: Youngest Case of Alzheimer's ever
Date: 2023-07-21 10:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-21 07:13 pm (UTC)https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/in-n-out-burger-chain-to-ban-employees-in-5-states-from-wearing-masks-memo-reveals/
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Date: 2023-07-21 10:53 pm (UTC)