Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102
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ecosophia
As we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
ADE, The Next Generation
Date: 2023-07-18 04:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:00 pm (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below or in the comment section of the page linked at the start of this comment.
This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.
Steve T's brother Matt is currently in the hospital after a sudden violent seizure, and his daughter is having extreme panic attacks; they were both in a terrible car accident last fall. Steve asks for prayers for Matt's recovery of health; for the emotional and psychological well-being of the rest of the family, including his wife Megan, his daughter Diana, and his young son Jake; and for the lifting of any spiritual harm afflicting the family.
Oilman2 has survived cancer and is learning to adjust to a rebuilt colon and learning how to walk again; for healing energies, for robust fitness in his new physical circumstances, and for him to remain cancer free.
Tamanous's friend's brother David got in a terrible motorcycle accident and has been diagnosed as a quadriplegic given the resultant spinal damage; for healing and the positive outcomes of upcoming surgeries and rehabilitation, specifically towards him being able to walk and live a normal life once more.
Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. Lp9 gives updates here and most recently here, and says "things are a bit... murky", and the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are still warranted.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:01 pm (UTC)I realized early on in the vaccination process that there was a spiritual component to the decisions people were making, and that those choosing not to be vaccinated often seemed to have strong spiritual beliefs that grounded their choice.
For myself though, I framed it as an evidence-based decision, and was not inclined to take the shot because the evidence was clearly not in. As well, psychological factors predisposed me to take a pass on it: Zero faith in authority, and a high level of innate non-conformism, made my initial vaccine 'hesitancy' a natural stance.
Here in British Columbia the hammer started to come down hard in the Fall of ’21, with coercive mandates preventing the unclean from mixing with the clean. By this point the unvaccinated were banned from entering most businesses, travelling on airplanes or trains, holding most jobs, or crossing international borders. I weighed the pros and cons, and thought "Well, OK, I don’t trust it, but this will get really ugly in a lot of ways if I don’t get the shot, and hey… why should I be right this time, when my concerns are usually overblown?" So I scheduled an appointment to get the shot.
Woke up the day of the appointment with immense clarity that I COULD NOT do this thing, no matter what the cost. There was something at stake that went beyond all the pros and cons, risks and rewards. Something absolutely fundamental – It literally felt more fundamental than life and death.
An aphorism from a novel I read decades ago – "Person must not do what person cannot do." – came to mind, and that is how it sat.
I discussed it with my wife, and we both chose not to take the shots. As hard as it got, and as dark as it looked – and in the winter of ’22 the outlook for the unvaccinated here in Canada was very, very, dark – we never hesitated and never wavered. Our choice was made.
I wonder… did some others here have this kind of moment of deep radical clarity at some point in your decision? Or was it different for you, with your choice arising out of either rational analysis or existing spiritual foundations, or a mix of both, with no 'revelation' needed?
Share your story, if you will!
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:28 pm (UTC)Thanks JMG, thanks forumistas.
This week I feel things getting stormier.
Cetiosaurus
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:30 pm (UTC)Press Release: CDC and NIH Policies During Pandemic Had No Proven Benefit to Public Health, Finds Report
National Association of Scholars
NY July 18, 2023
https://www.nas.org/blogs/press_release/cdc-and-nih-policies-during-pandemic-had-no-proven-benefit-to-public-health-finds-report
Re: ADE, The Next Generation
Date: 2023-07-18 05:45 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:51 pm (UTC)From then on I did the opposite of conventional “wisdom”
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 05:59 pm (UTC)When the Covid business began, I didn't think of the prediction. I simply watched what was happening. I don't use mainstream medicine -- I've had too many people I care about killed or hurt by incompetent doctors and toxic medicines -- so I wasn't particularly interested in the vaccine in the first place. It was watching people's brains turn off, watching them forget everything they claimed to believe about the problems with corporate modern medicine, that convinced me that there was something profoundly sick going on, and it wasn't the Covid virus.
Then my wife and I got Covid. We treated it with bed rest and biochemic cell salts; I was back on my feet, feeling fine, in a matter of days. My wife had her usual post-viral syndrome -- her immune system is kind of a mess -- but she got better at the usual pace. We both agreed that we've had colds that were worse, and that there was zero reason to take an inadequately tested experimental vaccine.
It was only later, in the late spring of 2021, that I realized what had happened. I spoke with the same entity and said, "The vaccine was the mistake, right?" She said, "Yes. You paid attention, and avoided it."
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 06:48 pm (UTC)At the start of Corona, I was between jobs, and able to spend time following the news. The inconsistencies were unbelievable. I still trusted the government back then, so when the Dutch government started to publish Corona statistics I was shocked. The lies were so clear I could not deny them.
The vaccines came out more than a year later. To its credit, the Dutch government did not recommend them, but merely wrote that "a dose is available". Yet friends and families broke apart. The infrastructure to require it as a condition for work was implemented. Yet the threat never seemed substantial. I'm not very courageous, yet I did not get close to taking the vaccine.
Right now I am not even sure if Covid was a bad thing. It allowed shopkeepers who were being out competed by Amazon a decent excuse (and some subsidy) to close their shop. Needless hours on the road were eliminated by remote work. Questionable holiday flights were reduced, at least for while.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 06:51 pm (UTC)"In April, 2023, Certified Nurse Midwife (CNM) Kathie Breault was indicted in the Eastern States District Federal Court for “Conspiracy to Defraud the United States” for giving vaccination cards to people who did not receive Covid-19 vaccinations. Her defense is that the vaccinations were ineffective and harmful, and to administer them would violate the Hippocratic oath of health professionals (First do no harm). Her legal battle against a dishonest and vindictive federal government will require lawyer’s fees that exceed her ability to pay — a reminder that “the process is the punishment.”
Kathie has also been accused of “professional misconduct” by the New York State Licensing Board for prescribing Ivermectin via telehealth visits in July 2021. Many other medical practitioners across the United States have been similarly persecuted and some have lost their licenses to practice. Kathie has been under investigation by New York’s Office of Professional Discipline since March 2022. No decision has been reached as of May 2023."
A link to any interested in contributing to Katyh's legal defense fund: https://www.givesendgo.com/GANF9
Re: ADE, The Next Generation
Date: 2023-07-18 06:52 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:01 pm (UTC)So upgraded my sailboat for potential offshore escape as I survived being the Unclean second class utterly bewildered that my country could become a totalitarian regime. If it hadn't been for Mr Greer's group it would have been much worse for my mental health. I credit the truckers Freedom Convoy for finally getting the laptop class to back off.
I see everyone in a very different and critical light now. The few I trust and care about, my family Clan and to a certain extent y'all in this group.
Longsword
Excess deaths in US have dropped
Date: 2023-07-18 07:10 pm (UTC)https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~USA
No matter to what you attribute the excess deaths, I think that's good news. Hopefully the effects of the novel virus/untested vax/whatever malevolent influence are finally waning.
--Ms. Krieger
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:30 pm (UTC)But something strange happened an inner voice kept pestering me , something a long the lines of what's the big deal just get ,you can travel again and see your family.It happened a few times.
The strange thing is ,I don't have an inner monologue like that ,it didn't come from me and didn't sound right. And shortly after my family piled on the pressure,my sister's ,my parents.
I really hope Gerry vanden Bossche is wrong.
I don't care of he admits it.
My entire family is vaccinated.
I'm becoming more and more worried and the uncertainty is hitting me hard.
I saw a post about astrology the other day ,not my field of expertise. It was something about the north node being 29 degree to Aries , apparently when that last happened we got Chernobyl and lots of other disasters.
Kind regards
Sean
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:41 pm (UTC)(& dear friends in this lovely place)
I think mine has been not so much an epiphany as discovering, like the growing weight of water, trickle by trickle, filling the reservoir behind a dam what part of me has always known, deep down... Like Gandalf seeking to cross the pass of Caradhras, because he knew, deep down, what lay there...
Mine was a slow burn experience (in the UK). Iffy about three weeks to flatten the curve... but then they don't think like or listen to me anyway...
Lockdowns going on and on and on - most I talk to, seem to be in another world (but, looking back, I did not talk like I do now!)
Bit slow on face masks - I was hard on myself when one of my few non-Covidian friends said 'But I thought you would be exempt.' After a couple of months of wearing a mask, I was exempt from the second our conversation ended.
By the time of the vax. No way!
Never, never, never. I started to gear up to lose my job, drop out of society... and then in late 2021 and early 2022 the tide turned...
JMG. Powerful! Thank you for sharing your response to Danbashaw.
Blessings upon all who share love and truth on this webpage, now and all those these last few distraught years. 'All will be well, and all will be well, and all manner of things shall be well.'
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:46 pm (UTC)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/18/more-than-28000-convicted-of-covid-rule-breaches-in-england-and-wales
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:48 pm (UTC)We too are in BC. It did look scary for us. I was expecting to be hauled off to jail for not taking the shot but I decided jail looked better than the shots. If the shots were safe and effective, why did the Pharmacy companies insist on immunity from prosecution? We didn't take the shots and the neighbours are trying to pretend nothing ever happened.
Maxine
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:57 pm (UTC)So my reasons are similar to those of the rabbi Chananya, who wrote “31 reasons why I won’t take the vaccine.” Also, though I am not Christian nor engaged in any Abrahamic faith, like you I did notice that people with a serious religious commitment tended to be much more resistant to the propaganda. I take it that this is probably because the vaccine is like a sacrament to the religion of scientism and Holy Progress, and these people already have a religion and want none other foisted upon them.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-vaccine/5740534
Kevin
(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-18 07:58 pm (UTC)Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:03 pm (UTC)I was in Canada too. Working for a big firm in a big city. I did a lot of work that was periferally connected to big pharma. I knew that people had been trying to make mrna happen for a long time, but that the side effects were too great. I knew phama had zero scruples, but there were guardrails to protect people from the most egregious excesses. With the COVID jabs, all the guardrails came off. The biggest tip-offs were the lack of liability and the lie that the lipid nanoparticles would stay in the arm. (Lnps were designed 10+ years ago to cross the blood brain barrier to deliver drugs to fight brain cancer. They go everywhere. They were designed to.)
Morally, I didn't want to take something that used fetal cells in its development. I also felt like taking them would violate the edict to treat the body like a temple.
In the summer of 2021 I still trusted my fellow citizens. When family and friends got angry with us for holding off, I was confused. When my church said shots were required for employment or volunteering I was heartbroken. When my office said they were required for work, I was shocked.
Then I started hearing a voice in my head saying "Go on, just get it. It will just take a minute and then all these problems will go away. You'll be loved again." I felt betrayed by everyone. Even my own intuition.
My husband reads this blog and read me an entry about someone else hearing voices that were saying the similar things as mine and I didn't feel so alone. Then he read JMG's answer - it might be demons whispering in our ears - and I was surprised. And oddly comforted. Demons sounded better than having my intuition be at odds with my logic and morals.
Thinking beyond the material plane also helped make sense of weird behaviour I was noticing. Friends who had not given their kids any vaccines supported these ones. Family members who wouldn't eat a gmo apple were ok with the shots. People who would tell me terrible things pharma had done and then ask me how I could possibly do any work for them, took the shots.
I started praying for protection. Voices stopped telling me to get the shot. In my mind I heard Tom Petty singing "Don't Back Down" instead.
I felt resolute. I hired an employment lawyer. By phone I told my HR person that I would not get the shot. She said she would send paperwork firing me with cause by the end of day. I said I'd forward it to my lawyer. HR sent an email telling me to keep working from home instead.
I decided to endure being ostracized by friends and family. It was -and is still- hard.
Separate from getting the shots, I felt it was important morally not to use a fake vax pass. I didn't want to support violating the Nuremberg code or discrimination based on disease or medical choices.
Fortunately my husband feels the same. We were able to support each other and protect our child.
Heloise
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:26 pm (UTC)One of the most confounding things about things about Covid is how my church communities have reacted. Many people who have dedicated their lives to serving God said the shots were a miracle and many were willing to discriminate against anyone who didn't comply. We should love our neighbour and do our part. They've got all the shots, will get more, have boosted their kids.
I would have said their spiritual dedication was greater than mine. But they saw truth and miracles and I saw lies and evil.
Heloise
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:34 pm (UTC)Long time reader, first time replying because I I appreciated danbashaw's request. I'm a practitioner of Chinese Medicine here in California. In our herbal pharmacopeia, we have herbal formulas to treat the symptoms of viral illnesses, along with all the common sense protocols like rest, fluids, sunshine, etc. Very late 2019/early 2020, news was coming out of Italy and China of pneumonias, particularly in Italy, where it tended to hit the senior population really hard. I remember most of my colleagues early discussing what formulas you would be able to use and when you could use them according to symptoms.
Then, everything went on high lockdown here in March 2020, and most of my colleagues shut their practices completely. I couldn't really understand why, as we had trained and prepared for this. During the downtime, I used to hike with a colleague who for years had railed against big pharma, banks, all of it. Her attitude flipped overnight! When I asked why they were taking the vaxx, in light of their mistrust of big pharma, all they could say was they were afraid of "long covid". We just couldn't get past the fear. And there was no more discussion anywhere about any remedy other than the vaccine.
For me, I think the switch was flipped in the aftermath of the 2016 US presidential election. The hatred and the vitriol that was spewed toward the winner of that election and the people who voted for the president was chilling to witness. At that point, I felt my "higher self/higher guide" message that this was now the time for me to tread the middle and to work to serve the balance. That I was not to buy into hatred or fear or worst case scenario and this was how I was going to come through the next few years. I got a sense at that time, that the intensity surrounding the aftermath of the election was just the beginning. I think it carried forward to not getting the vax, regardless of the pressures or the threat of job loss, etc. And people did stop talking to me, did refuse service,, etc. But I feel like I got super lucky because even though family members chose to get the vax, no one ever was disrespectful or disparaging. I never lost family over it.
But at that point in 2016 and again in 2020-21, I became really aware of treading a middle ground. Thank you
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 08:41 pm (UTC)Thankfully, my work, despite being a federal contractor, did not enforce the vaccine mandate. I almost hoped they would try, cause I'd love to see them try to deny a Druid a religious exemption. All the rhetoric seemed designed to thwart Christian religious exemptions. I'm sure their heads would have exploded.
-Trubrujah
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 09:24 pm (UTC)More, I'd been living with my MSNBC-watching parents, and so I'd been exposed to the 24/7 shrieking hysteria that comes pouring out of the TV.
So when the professional news harpies started yammering about the new, perfectly safe mRNA shots, I knew immediately that I would not willingly be vaccinated. Fortunately I live in a conservative rural area, so I never faced the same kind of pressure that others did.
My hat is off to the ones who survived the full brunt of the insanity.
-Cliff
Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)
Date: 2023-07-18 09:28 pm (UTC)You know why they put oxygen masks on planes?
- So you can breathe.
Oxygen gets you high.
In a catastrophic emergency,
you take giant panic breaths.
Suddenly you become euphoric, docile.
You accept your fate.
It's all right here.
Emergency water landing at 600 mph.
Blank faces. Calm as Hindu cows.
Something about that comment on airplane safety cards and the nature of propaganda made me very wary of the government efforts at compliance. The illusion of safety. When I saw the first posters around town, I had the same reaction Tyler had to those airplane safety cards. Something did not sit well and told me to avoid this at all costs. When it was about to cost me my position at work, I did consider J&J as a last ditch effort but as fate would have it, nothing could change the course I was on, so I stayed committed to be free of this poison. Couldn't do the same for my spouse. I pray it was placebo.