Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102

[ecosophia]

As we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[danbashaw]

I realized early on in the vaccination process that there was a spiritual component to the decisions people were making, and that those choosing not to be vaccinated often seemed to have strong spiritual beliefs that grounded their choice.

For myself though, I framed it as an evidence-based decision, and was not inclined to take the shot because the evidence was clearly not in. As well, psychological factors predisposed me to take a pass on it: Zero faith in authority, and a high level of innate non-conformism, made my initial vaccine 'hesitancy' a natural stance.

Here in British Columbia the hammer started to come down hard in the Fall of ’21, with coercive mandates preventing the unclean from mixing with the clean. By this point the unvaccinated were banned from entering most businesses, travelling on airplanes or trains, holding most jobs, or crossing international borders. I weighed the pros and cons, and thought "Well, OK, I don’t trust it, but this will get really ugly in a lot of ways if I don’t get the shot, and hey… why should I be right this time, when my concerns are usually overblown?" So I scheduled an appointment to get the shot.

Woke up the day of the appointment with immense clarity that I COULD NOT do this thing, no matter what the cost. There was something at stake that went beyond all the pros and cons, risks and rewards. Something absolutely fundamental – It literally felt more fundamental than life and death.

An aphorism from a novel I read decades ago – "Person must not do what person cannot do." – came to mind, and that is how it sat.

I discussed it with my wife, and we both chose not to take the shots. As hard as it got, and as dark as it looked – and in the winter of ’22 the outlook for the unvaccinated here in Canada was very, very, dark – we never hesitated and never wavered. Our choice was made.

I wonder… did some others here have this kind of moment of deep radical clarity at some point in your decision? Or was it different for you, with your choice arising out of either rational analysis or existing spiritual foundations, or a mix of both, with no 'revelation' needed?

Share your story, if you will!

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[(Anonymous)]

Seeing how everyone went mad for a little bit I was like like “what the holy hopscotch?!”

From then on I did the opposite of conventional “wisdom”

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[ecosophia]

Early in 2019, during one of my magical practices, I had an entity I've found I can trust tell me that in the not too distant future I would have the chance to make the worst mistake of my life. She didn't specify what the mistake was; she said that if I paid attention, I'd have no trouble figuring out what it was, and avoiding it. I wondered whether it would be a bad career choice, and filed it away for future reference.

When the Covid business began, I didn't think of the prediction. I simply watched what was happening. I don't use mainstream medicine -- I've had too many people I care about killed or hurt by incompetent doctors and toxic medicines -- so I wasn't particularly interested in the vaccine in the first place. It was watching people's brains turn off, watching them forget everything they claimed to believe about the problems with corporate modern medicine, that convinced me that there was something profoundly sick going on, and it wasn't the Covid virus.

Then my wife and I got Covid. We treated it with bed rest and biochemic cell salts; I was back on my feet, feeling fine, in a matter of days. My wife had her usual post-viral syndrome -- her immune system is kind of a mess -- but she got better at the usual pace. We both agreed that we've had colds that were worse, and that there was zero reason to take an inadequately tested experimental vaccine.

It was only later, in the late spring of 2021, that I realized what had happened. I spoke with the same entity and said, "The vaccine was the mistake, right?" She said, "Yes. You paid attention, and avoided it."

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[thinking_turtle]

At the start of Corona, I was between jobs, and able to spend time following the news. The inconsistencies were unbelievable. I still trusted the government back then, so when the Dutch government started to publish Corona statistics I was shocked. The lies were so clear I could not deny them.

The vaccines came out more than a year later. To its credit, the Dutch government did not recommend them, but merely wrote that "a dose is available". Yet friends and families broke apart. The infrastructure to require it as a condition for work was implemented. Yet the threat never seemed substantial. I'm not very courageous, yet I did not get close to taking the vaccine.

Right now I am not even sure if Covid was a bad thing. It allowed shopkeepers who were being out competed by Amazon a decent excuse (and some subsidy) to close their shop. Needless hours on the road were eliminated by remote work. Questionable holiday flights were reduced, at least for while.

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[(Anonymous)]

Back in March 2020 I cancelled a 4 month bike camp of Europe as the world went nuts. By the fall of 2020 my gut feeling that getting foxed was a bad idea. Combined, with a comparable to you, dislike of authority made it Rock solid. Comrade Horgan, gruppenfuerer Bonny Henry and our Dear Leader....
So upgraded my sailboat for potential offshore escape as I survived being the Unclean second class utterly bewildered that my country could become a totalitarian regime. If it hadn't been for Mr Greer's group it would have been much worse for my mental health. I credit the truckers Freedom Convoy for finally getting the laptop class to back off.
I see everyone in a very different and critical light now. The few I trust and care about, my family Clan and to a certain extent y'all in this group.
Longsword

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[nightwatchwaits]

Danbashaw
(& dear friends in this lovely place)

I think mine has been not so much an epiphany as discovering, like the growing weight of water, trickle by trickle, filling the reservoir behind a dam what part of me has always known, deep down... Like Gandalf seeking to cross the pass of Caradhras, because he knew, deep down, what lay there...

Mine was a slow burn experience (in the UK). Iffy about three weeks to flatten the curve... but then they don't think like or listen to me anyway...

Lockdowns going on and on and on - most I talk to, seem to be in another world (but, looking back, I did not talk like I do now!)

Bit slow on face masks - I was hard on myself when one of my few non-Covidian friends said 'But I thought you would be exempt.' After a couple of months of wearing a mask, I was exempt from the second our conversation ended.

By the time of the vax. No way!
Never, never, never. I started to gear up to lose my job, drop out of society... and then in late 2021 and early 2022 the tide turned...

JMG. Powerful! Thank you for sharing your response to Danbashaw.

Blessings upon all who share love and truth on this webpage, now and all those these last few distraught years. 'All will be well, and all will be well, and all manner of things shall be well.'

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[(Anonymous)]

Hi Dan,
We too are in BC. It did look scary for us. I was expecting to be hauled off to jail for not taking the shot but I decided jail looked better than the shots. If the shots were safe and effective, why did the Pharmacy companies insist on immunity from prosecution? We didn't take the shots and the neighbours are trying to pretend nothing ever happened.
Maxine

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[(Anonymous)]

I too saw my decision as evidence-based. The irrationality exhibited by people I had assumed to be reasonable was deeply disturbing. But what really confirmed me in my choice was when the blatant evil became manifest: the coercion, otherizing, medical apartheid and hate propaganda are together the most revolting phenomenon I’ve ever witnessed, far worse than anything I had ever dreamt I would live to see.

So my reasons are similar to those of the rabbi Chananya, who wrote “31 reasons why I won’t take the vaccine.” Also, though I am not Christian nor engaged in any Abrahamic faith, like you I did notice that people with a serious religious commitment tended to be much more resistant to the propaganda. I take it that this is probably because the vaccine is like a sacrament to the religion of scientism and Holy Progress, and these people already have a religion and want none other foisted upon them.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-vaccine/5740534

Kevin

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[(Anonymous)]

For me it was a combination of logic, morals, and spirit.

I was in Canada too. Working for a big firm in a big city. I did a lot of work that was periferally connected to big pharma. I knew that people had been trying to make mrna happen for a long time, but that the side effects were too great. I knew phama had zero scruples, but there were guardrails to protect people from the most egregious excesses. With the COVID jabs, all the guardrails came off. The biggest tip-offs were the lack of liability and the lie that the lipid nanoparticles would stay in the arm. (Lnps were designed 10+ years ago to cross the blood brain barrier to deliver drugs to fight brain cancer. They go everywhere. They were designed to.)

Morally, I didn't want to take something that used fetal cells in its development. I also felt like taking them would violate the edict to treat the body like a temple.

In the summer of 2021 I still trusted my fellow citizens. When family and friends got angry with us for holding off, I was confused. When my church said shots were required for employment or volunteering I was heartbroken. When my office said they were required for work, I was shocked.

Then I started hearing a voice in my head saying "Go on, just get it. It will just take a minute and then all these problems will go away. You'll be loved again." I felt betrayed by everyone. Even my own intuition.

My husband reads this blog and read me an entry about someone else hearing voices that were saying the similar things as mine and I didn't feel so alone. Then he read JMG's answer - it might be demons whispering in our ears - and I was surprised. And oddly comforted. Demons sounded better than having my intuition be at odds with my logic and morals.

Thinking beyond the material plane also helped make sense of weird behaviour I was noticing. Friends who had not given their kids any vaccines supported these ones. Family members who wouldn't eat a gmo apple were ok with the shots. People who would tell me terrible things pharma had done and then ask me how I could possibly do any work for them, took the shots.

I started praying for protection. Voices stopped telling me to get the shot. In my mind I heard Tom Petty singing "Don't Back Down" instead.

I felt resolute. I hired an employment lawyer. By phone I told my HR person that I would not get the shot. She said she would send paperwork firing me with cause by the end of day. I said I'd forward it to my lawyer. HR sent an email telling me to keep working from home instead.

I decided to endure being ostracized by friends and family. It was -and is still- hard.

Separate from getting the shots, I felt it was important morally not to use a fake vax pass. I didn't want to support violating the Nuremberg code or discrimination based on disease or medical choices.

Fortunately my husband feels the same. We were able to support each other and protect our child.

Heloise

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[(Anonymous)]

As a counterpoint, many people I believe have strong spiritual beliefs went all in on the shots.

One of the most confounding things about things about Covid is how my church communities have reacted. Many people who have dedicated their lives to serving God said the shots were a miracle and many were willing to discriminate against anyone who didn't comply. We should love our neighbour and do our part. They've got all the shots, will get more, have boosted their kids.

I would have said their spiritual dedication was greater than mine. But they saw truth and miracles and I saw lies and evil.

Heloise

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[(Anonymous)]

Hello to all,
Long time reader, first time replying because I I appreciated danbashaw's request. I'm a practitioner of Chinese Medicine here in California. In our herbal pharmacopeia, we have herbal formulas to treat the symptoms of viral illnesses, along with all the common sense protocols like rest, fluids, sunshine, etc. Very late 2019/early 2020, news was coming out of Italy and China of pneumonias, particularly in Italy, where it tended to hit the senior population really hard. I remember most of my colleagues early discussing what formulas you would be able to use and when you could use them according to symptoms.
Then, everything went on high lockdown here in March 2020, and most of my colleagues shut their practices completely. I couldn't really understand why, as we had trained and prepared for this. During the downtime, I used to hike with a colleague who for years had railed against big pharma, banks, all of it. Her attitude flipped overnight! When I asked why they were taking the vaxx, in light of their mistrust of big pharma, all they could say was they were afraid of "long covid". We just couldn't get past the fear. And there was no more discussion anywhere about any remedy other than the vaccine.
For me, I think the switch was flipped in the aftermath of the 2016 US presidential election. The hatred and the vitriol that was spewed toward the winner of that election and the people who voted for the president was chilling to witness. At that point, I felt my "higher self/higher guide" message that this was now the time for me to tread the middle and to work to serve the balance. That I was not to buy into hatred or fear or worst case scenario and this was how I was going to come through the next few years. I got a sense at that time, that the intensity surrounding the aftermath of the election was just the beginning. I think it carried forward to not getting the vax, regardless of the pressures or the threat of job loss, etc. And people did stop talking to me, did refuse service,, etc. But I feel like I got super lucky because even though family members chose to get the vax, no one ever was disrespectful or disparaging. I never lost family over it.
But at that point in 2016 and again in 2020-21, I became really aware of treading a middle ground. Thank you

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[(Anonymous)]

My own choice was almost entirely rational analysis. My wife is a nurse who works in cancer research, and we discussed it quite a bit and agreed that we wouldn't take the vaccine for at least a year to see what happened; as there was no way that it was adequately tested and we were both young enough that we weren't in the danger age bracket of having a bad Covid reaction. After a year of watching the madness unfold, along with reading this this forum and seeing many of the other comments, just cemented our decision was the right one.

Thankfully, my work, despite being a federal contractor, did not enforce the vaccine mandate. I almost hoped they would try, cause I'd love to see them try to deny a Druid a religious exemption. All the rhetoric seemed designed to thwart Christian religious exemptions. I'm sure their heads would have exploded.

-Trubrujah

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[(Anonymous)]

By 2021 I was already profoundly skeptical of mainstream medicine and new technology in general, as well as the underlying culture.

More, I'd been living with my MSNBC-watching parents, and so I'd been exposed to the 24/7 shrieking hysteria that comes pouring out of the TV.

So when the professional news harpies started yammering about the new, perfectly safe mRNA shots, I knew immediately that I would not willingly be vaccinated. Fortunately I live in a conservative rural area, so I never faced the same kind of pressure that others did.

My hat is off to the ones who survived the full brunt of the insanity.

-Cliff

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[(Anonymous)]

As much as I would want to say it was a deep spirituality that kept me away from the medical experiment, the real driving force was a pop culture reference.

You know why they put oxygen masks on planes?

- So you can breathe.

Oxygen gets you high.
In a catastrophic emergency,
you take giant panic breaths.
Suddenly you become euphoric, docile.
You accept your fate.
It's all right here.
Emergency water landing at 600 mph.
Blank faces. Calm as Hindu cows.

Something about that comment on airplane safety cards and the nature of propaganda made me very wary of the government efforts at compliance. The illusion of safety. When I saw the first posters around town, I had the same reaction Tyler had to those airplane safety cards. Something did not sit well and told me to avoid this at all costs. When it was about to cost me my position at work, I did consider J&J as a last ditch effort but as fate would have it, nothing could change the course I was on, so I stayed committed to be free of this poison. Couldn't do the same for my spouse. I pray it was placebo.

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[(Anonymous)]

danbashaw,
First, congratulations on your bravery and making it through so far. It was bad in the USA, but from what I have heard, it was completely terrible in Canada. Just the quotes from Justin Trudeau were beyond the pale. I know you aren't asking for it, but someone should recognize what you went through and that you stood firm. Respect.
I didn't get the jab and initially I thought that it was because I don't do doctors at all, for anything. After thinking about it though, I was scared during the pandemic. I washed down groceries and put hand sanitizer in the car and at the door and stayed home. So if I really thought a shot would save my life, I might have done the doctor thing. Maybe...
I think the reason that I didn't get the shot is because all of the sudden I was TOLD I had to get the shot. I was told that I would be fired by my work and that I could not see my first grandchild by my daughter unless I got the shot. I realize now, that was probably it. I was TOLD TO... and so of course I refused.
Maybe it was spiritual, maybe it wasn't. I listen to my intuition, to guides that have told me things in the past. But the people in charge? Nope. I don't remember any moment of clarity. I do remember deep, visceral anger and a sense of betrayal. I mean seriously ... no such thing as natural immunity?! It kept getting more stupid and my anger kept getting deeper. And my determination to not get the shot got stronger every day.

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[revert2mean]

Reasons: (1) Logical. There's never been a vaccine against a respiratory pathogen. The flu shot is a joke, and seems to cause the flu although the medical profession denies that. You need mucosal immunity, which can't be injected.

(2) Alarm - they're lying. Apparently moderna produced the vaccine in a weekend. (Sure.) But everyone knows it's 98% effective. No reasons or evidence given. Emergency Use Authorisation rushed. No thanks.

(3) Then I knew. Started hearing those beautiful singing voices telling me to "just get the shot". Multiple people told me they had their doubts, but "woke up one morning and thought it'll be ok". Long lines of people filling stadiums getting multiple shots. Preventing my youngest son getting in one of those zyklon-b lines has been one of the hardest and most heartfelt fights of my life.

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[weilong]

Fortunately for me, it was never quite that dark here. Japan relied on the usual mechanisms of social pressure to push the experimental gene therapy.

At one point, though, seeing which way the wind was blowing, wife and I talked it over. We decided that if it came down to being excluded from society over non-compliance, then we were prepared to accept that. We can live without schools, shops, utilities, and a lot of other things. We didn't think it would be a one-time deal, either. I don't know if we had the notion of endless boosters at that time, but we were predicting that more and stupider things would be demanded of us if we went along with this one (actually, I made that prediction when the masks started).

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm naturally cantankerous and have had a lifetime of being the black sheep so I was immediately certain that I would be the last person on the planet to get it when I across the Japanese biodistribution study in alt-news in early 2021. It also became immediately clear that my child's ability to have children - my grandchildren! - were what I was fighting for since it was clear it was impacting ovaries from Day 1.

As she is a minor, I had to get my partner onboard. He was given early access and 98% of his company lined up immediately. At the time, he saw no reason not to get it but I begged him to wait for more information to come to light and he agreed to delay. I had him listen to the Dark Horse podcast with Malone and Kirsch and that sealed the deal for him - no vaccines for him or the kid. He ended up getting fired because of it and for a while it was us against the world.

100% of our family and friends got it, we were kicked out of buildings, called names, uninvited from family gatherings...but every hostility made us stronger in our resolve. Every slight made it more obvious that it was some kind of manipulative, psychological trick that was bringing people down and we just couldn't understand how everyone fell for it.

And in the worst of it, when I saw one of the regular commenters here was on a list getting visits from health officials, I drew the line...if anyone came to our door having our child on a list then I was immediately putting everyone in the car and driving to Florida. We would never give in, we had learned too much of the truth about "$cience" and nothing mattered more than keeping it away from our child.

And then...it all faded away and it's 'the thing we don't talk about'. People we know are constantly sick, have sudden health problems, or just die and we say we're sorry and how can we help. But we never mention the thing. There was that disney song that went crazy with the kids in the last year "We don't talk about Bruno" and I think it was catchy because there is this thing we don't talk about and we all know it, our subconscious was given a way to release the pressure.

There were a few sources of sanity along the path: this blog, of course. I am grateful to our host and all of you for being our only friends in 2021 even if we've never met you and don't know your names. I feel like you all are my people and I hope one day to be able to repay you all for what we learned here from you - it saved us many times over. I have also been doing the SOP daily for about 4 years and I am convinced it kept the mass hypnosis off of me ("safe and effective" my butt). Thanks to JMG for that many more times over. Also, a big God Bless to Catholic schools in our town. They held the line, went 5 days a week, never discriminated, never mandated. I didn't expect that but then again I didn't expect collapse to take this format for us. All in all, grateful for the lessons learned and for staying the course. It was all worth it.

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[ari_ormstunga]

Back in 2014, which seems impossibly long ago now, someone close to me died from side effects from his medication. He was seen on a regular basis by a team of doctors and various specialists, none of whom realized that he was being poisoned by his “medicine” until it was too late. Although I was not, strictly speaking, a healthcare professional, I was one of the people responsible for his well-being.

I discovered that, far from this being an anomaly, iatrogenic deaths (deaths caused by the healthcare system) were one of the leading causes of death in the United States. I became a bit skeptical about modern medicine, especially about pharmaceutical companies. Later, but still pre-Covid, I had a few unpleasant and frankly hurtful experiences with representatives of the healthcare industry. To be fair, I also had some that were positive, and I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush, but I became very aware that the healing professions in this country are dysfunctional at best.

As the numbers started coming in and data was compiled about the pandemic, I realized the reaction of the government was massively out of proportion to the statistical risks. I felt that the governments of the world morphed into tyrannies overnight with great coordination. I did not trust anything I was told, especially when the lab leak theory was denounced despite the very real and obvious possibility that the virus came from the Wuhan lab.

When the vaccine was released and deemed safe and effective, even though the studies were almost immediately compromised by vaccinating the control group, I knew that it was yet another lie. The propaganda around all of this was so blatant and obvious that I lost all trust in any government and media sources. I had also read the US Army’s counterinsurgency manual and various government publications that indicated that the government had the capacity to run propaganda operations 24/7 indefinitely. Back in my youth, I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist, so I was aware of programs like Project Mockingbird, which I remain less than certain were ever fully abandoned.

Due to my upbringing, I also have a “get bent” streak about three miles wide when it comes to oppressive authority figures.

All of that left me very unlikely to even consider getting the jab. The final reason, and the only metaphysical one, is an invocation of Barachiel I performed on Halloween in 2021, where I was frankly told that if I wanted to live, I shouldn’t get the vaccine. At that point, I knew I’d die before I got it. No information I’ve seen or events that I’ve experienced since then have made me question that decision.

My mom used to ask me, if all of my friends were jumping off a cliff, would I do it too? Decades later, I discovered the answer is no. She’s five shots in, and luckily she still seems fine.

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[slclaire]

I had the moment of deep radical clarity after I received the second shot in May 2021.

Why did I get two shots? By autumn 2020 I knew three people whose death certificate said they died of COVID, one of whom was my mother. I was 63, without medical insurance (I'm in the US and we don't get Medicare till 65). During spring 2021 I watched quite a few people I knew take the shots and not have trouble with them. I was aware of the counterarguments - I usually read the first page or two of each of these series of posts - but given my age, the lack of medical insurance which meant that getting long COVID could drain our saving, and knowing one of my friends had long COVID and how it affected her, I decided I would go ahead and get the two shots. Call me naive if you like, I'll accept it, but I really hoped that it was the right thing and really would help the situation improve. By that time a fourth person I knew had COVID on his death certificate, so it may have been that having that many people die of it tipped the balance toward accepting the shots. Or maybe I just fell into the mass thoughtform and went along with it without thinking enough about the counterarguments; I'm willing to admit that.

The first shot went fine; nothing more than swelling at the shot site. I was kind of weirded out by the atmosphere at the place where I got the shot, but since the first one went OK, I went ahead and got the second shot.

The second shot went OK at first. But I woke up in the middle of the night feeling quite ill, and not just physically. Something about the second shot was just wrong; nothing I could put in words, but it was there. Fortunately the effects wore off after several hours. But it felt wrong enough that I was completely clear that I would not accept any more shots of this or any other vaccine.

I'm really glad for this forum; I've learned a lot from it which I hope will help me better avoid mass thoughtforms in the future.

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[(Anonymous)]

Hello Danbashaw, what a good question, and thank you for your thoughtful personal account. I am in Ontario, where we lagged behind BC and Quebec in the totalitarian drive, but not by much.

I remember a nighttime conversation in a deserted park with a dear friend whom I would describe as habitually nonconformist. We were both on the fence about the shot and trying to work through the implications together. There was a moment in that discussion when I felt a fierceness and a solidness rise up in me- that I could and would say NO to the pressures that I felt building all around me. My friend witnessed that moment and remarked on it. From there on it was just about finding the courage and the means to follow through with it.

Said friend later took the shot, mostly to stay in with her social group, which is adjacent but distinct from mine. I gave up the approval of almost all my friends and family, ditched the pushy roommates, found a new home and a whole new group of friends and through them underground employment- in short, I made a series of drastic life changes in quick succession, all for the better as it turned out. I am a different person now than I was pre-covid: more capable, self-reliant, emotionally balanced. I was forced to take life into my own hands to a degree I had never done before.

I am a person with strong spiritual convictions. However, it wasn't until the summer of '22, when the vax rollout was in full spate and the social pressure was getting crazy, that I got really serious about a daily spiritual practice. It was in fact a tip from someone in this very forum that got me off my butt about that. Since then I have not missed a single day, and I think my still-intact-sanity is to a large extent a result of this commitment to rely daily on the support of the unseen world.

Many people whose faith and intellect I admired took the shot. That was, and still is, disturbing for me to contemplate. I still haven't wrapped my head around it. I am rebuilding friendships with some of them, gradually, tentatively. I can forgive but I will not forget.

I now think that centralized state power requires, at least to some degree, the centralization of truth. I think it is useful to think of Science as the state religion of our nation and many others. Public Health is and has been for a long time the inquisitional arm of this expanding state church, though many of us have only recently become aware of its role in enforcing doctrinal compliance.

Ivan Illich predicted back in the '70's that growing institutional forces would crystallize around 'Health' and 'Life' as modern sacraments. He was a man of deep Christian faith who also knew quite well what the dark side of religion could look like. I'd love to see his books 'Medical Nemesis' and 'Tools for Conviviality' discussed more broadly in the present context.

Cheers,
Dylan

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, more or less.

When the vaccine was first being talked about, my thought process was, "eh, I probably don't need it, but I'll wait and see, maybe the risk-benefit will pan out in favor of taking it, let's get a bit more info first." That thought process was, I think, a rational one.

But then, at some point, I realized that no, I wasn't going to "wait and see." At some point I realized that I had a deep, visceral aversion to those shots, and that there was, in fact, no way on earth that I would ever agree to take them, for any reason. I realized that I was, in fact, willing lose all my employment, be ostracized by everyone, and I live in my damn car if needs be, rather than comply.

There wasn't a single moment of clarity, but more like a dawning realization that yes - this is, in fact, the hill I will die on.

My best guess of my own resistance is that it's related to growing up with an abusive parent. What triggered my refusal, I think, was the bone-deep knowledge that when someone in a position of authority pushes you that hard to do something, and when the reasons given why you're supposed to do it keep changing, and when people are being manipulated with fear, and when those in authority are willing to stoke hatred against and encourage persecution of those who do not comply - well, then you know that what you are being told to do is WRONG (or, at the bare minimum, not in your best interest). Because if it was a good thing, they wouldn't have to abuse you that badly.

The whole thing just....stank. There was something deeply noxious about it that set off my alarm bells, and made me recoil in fear and loathing from the whole program.

If there was something supernatural at work, my reaction makes sense. Somehow, I sensed that what was going on was fundamentally wrong - that it was manipulative, abusive, and cruel, or was orchestrated by someone, or some thing, that was manipulative, abusive, and cruel - and that I must avoid it at all cost.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[(Anonymous)]

My two brothers and dad work at a place that was going to try to require the shot. It was looking pretty stark for a while, even though the employees (blue collar non management types that is!) were all set against it and many threatened to quit if pressed over it. Management of course was "shocked." Anyway, one of my brothers decided to do it, because better him than others with weaker immune systems. He regretted it later quite a lot and felt lied to about it. My other brother went online to make an appointment because he figured he had to just give in and get it over with if he wanted to keep his job - it was looking that bad - and he said he started to shake and just had to close the site, he knew he couldn't do it. And he didn't. My dad said he didn't want it but would if it was that or lose his job. I said please, please don't do it, and talked about the long term side effects we might not know about. I didn't think at the time that anyone was going to be dropping dead from it, but I had heard enough to be super wary of the downstream effects. Anyway he didn't end up having to take it either, legal things shifted enough that the company decided to back off, I think. I don't know the exact details. I'm very glad my dad didn't take it because his health was fragile. I wish the brother who had taken it hadn't, though. I really wish he hadn't, but he's always believed in the narrative about vaccination and he's also on antidepressants which seem to dull his mind in some ways (just my personal impression plus previous experience myself in my 20s with severely harmful antidepressants). I'm at a point where I'm pretty anti medication in general, especially for depression or being shot into my arm. I hope he will stay strong and get healthier, I always thought he was the healthiest and strongest of my siblings and me. Ironically my mother was super against vaccination by the time they came along, and delayed and put off as many vaccinations as possible as long as possible for them, because I'd taken the brunt of vaccination at a young age, and had some health issues related to it.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[kimberlysteele]

I started realizing there was something fishy when two weeks to flatten the curve became two months. At that point, I started refusing to wear a mask and re-opened my commercial space. I used to have a music lesson studio that ended up having to close down because of the fear instilled in my clients, about half of which never came back. By early 2021, I started a Facebook group called Speakeasy Illinois that helped people find mask free places to shop, eat, take lessons/go to school, repairs, dentistry, doctors. Once the quaxx mandates began, several members of my group helped people get exemptions and of course all the while we patronized freedom-respecting establishments and services.

I too heard the voice to get the quaxx. I am surprised it tried with me because early on I made it clear that I would rather die than take it and was enthusiastically willing to go there if the quaxx brigade went there first. At that point, I was learned enough from my occult studies to discern the entity behind the voice. It's a nasty little thing, and furthermore, there are several of them. I strongly believe as other commenters have said that it is demonic. Of course I could be wrong, but if I had to put labels on the demons involved, I would guess Paimon and Mammon.

At any rate, I want to thank all of you who stood for freedom of choice even if you got the quaxx. Though if you were pressured to get the quaxx and said NO, I thank you even more because you are the direct reason why the Not-sees in charge were not able to go full Chairman Mao. You have my undying gratitude. May it bless you and bless you by the power of seven.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[(Anonymous)]

Related to my comment above (re: my brothers and dad), I was very distressed about the sword of damoclese over their heads about health and employment. I admit I went to spiritual war about it. I can't share details. But anyways they did survive, they did keep their jobs, and two of them didn't take the needle. But as soon as that was over, and they got to survive & keep their jobs, I got severely sick, the sickest I have ever been, with Covid, and felt like I was going to die. I got through it but it took me a very long time to recover.

I couldn't help feeling like it was a blow back for letting myself get so consumed and involved on a spiritual level. Alternately it could be stress weakened my immune system.

Another time there was an astrology thing that my dad was probably going to be in a serious car accident. I went to my spiritual practice for him. None of this with his knowledge, but my own personal belief system and feeling that this mattered a hell of a lot. Well, he didn't have an accident. Close calls, yes. Accident, no. But I had car issues, a flat tire, and some car related trauma at the same time. It was very frustrating. I felt that perhaps I had taken it on, albeit unintentionally, by interfering. And worth the cost if true, but unsettling all the same, as that was not my intention when trying to protect him. IDK.

I still can't quite sort out the different between "this just happened to me," versus "this happened to me because I felt the need to intervene spiritually for a family member no matter the cost for me." I don't know what's right about these things, but those were the choices I made. I make the best choices I can on my spiritual path, but sometimes it's a hard path.