Magic Monday
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The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. I'm currently tracing my Martinist lineage. That's rendered complex by the Martinist tradition that one does not name one's initiator, so we'll have to go back through less evasive routes. Last week's honoree, René Chambellant, became head of the Eglise Gnostique Universelle on the death of his teacher and consecrator, Constant Chevillon, whom I'm honoring this week. Martinist, Rosicrucian, Freemason, and Gnostic bishop, Chevillon was born in 1880, showed remarkable intellectual gifts in youth, but went to work in the banking industry while devoting his free time to occult and spiritual pursuits. He wrote seven books and many essays about Gnostic theology and practice, and his integrity and spiritual qualities won the respect not only of his fellow Gnostics but of Catholics and nonreligious people. In 1944, he and other leading citizens of Lyon were taken hostage by the Nazis in revenge for activities of the Resistance, and shot to death. He is considered a saint and martyr by most modern Gnostic churches; the day of his martyrdom, March 22, is his feast day.
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Robert Ogilvie Crombie
Date: 2023-06-19 04:08 am (UTC)Espero que estejam todos bem e saudáveis!
Recentemente me deparei com os textos de uma figura interessante, poderosa e inspiradora: Robert Ogilvie Crombie. Que pessoa maravilhosa!
Tem mais alguém com os presentes dele?
E há alguma maneira de desenvolver esses dons e conversar com entidades na natureza?
Obrigado!
Re: Robert Ogilvie Crombie
Date: 2023-06-19 04:18 am (UTC)Yes, Robert Ogilvie Crombie -- ROC, as his friends called him -- was a remarkable figure! I never had the chance to meet him but I've spoken with several people who worked with him. There are other people who have the same abilities he had, but the ones I know aren't public about their interactions with nature spirits. They -- and ROC, too, to judge by what I know of him -- would encourage you to develop those abilities yourself. Any system of esoteric training that involves the development of inner perception will give you those capacities, if you give it the daily work it requires.
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From:The Trouble with Authenticity and the DA Solar Plexus Exercise Seven Rays of Light
Date: 2023-06-19 04:12 am (UTC)To those who observe it, a very happy Fathers' Day!
To Share: I've had some thoughts on the question of authenticity versus validity brewing for awhile now, and reading a book review of a biography on Augustus of all things finally gave me the key I needed to bring them together. Drawing plenty on our host's post on the topic, of course, I hope I break some new ground on just why authenticity seems so shiny and important to folks looking into alternative spirituality: https://jpowellrussell.com/#the_trouble_with_authenticity
To Ask: In the Dolmen Arch version of the Solar Plexus exercise, it says to visualize "seven rays of light," one for each cantref. Does it matter what direction these rays go? Should they align with the compass points, with parts of the body, or is this something to experiment with?
As always, thanks very much to JMG and everyone else here for all that you do.
To any who will have them, I put forth my blessings and best wishes,
Jeff
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Date: 2023-06-19 04:33 am (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below if before Midnight on Tuesday; or in the comments of the weekly prayer list post.
This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.
It's a boy! Hippie Viking and his wife are the parents of a new baby; for blessings on the child according to his nature and the nature of the deity prayed to; and for good health for both mother and child. (Original request here)
Tanamous's friend's brother David got in a terrible motorcycle accident and has been diagnosed as a quadriplegic given the resultant spinal damage; for healing and the positive outcomes of upcoming surgeries and rehabilitation, specifically towards him being able to walk and live a normal life once more.
Nicole's (shewhoholdstension) 41 year brother Robert died suddenly in bed on May 15th; for a smooth and blessed journey on the other side. Robert was a single dad and he leaves behind three children: Hannah, Zack, and Jordyn; that they and Nicole be blessed and protected, and find what comfort they can during this very difficult time. (Update here.)
Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. (Lp9 gives updates here and most recently here, and says "things are a bit... murky"), and the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are still warranted.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
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Date: 2023-06-19 04:36 am (UTC)Forgive me if I've said this before, but I think this is part of the Asatru Folk Assembly's success. They focus totally on their own organization and the gods they worship.
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Date: 2023-06-19 04:39 am (UTC)Asatru Folk Assembly
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From:Astral Light
Date: 2023-06-19 04:38 am (UTC)Could you expound a bit on the definition of Astral Light and if it could be compared to “prana”in Yogic systems?
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Date: 2023-06-19 04:55 am (UTC)Re: Bodies
Date: 2023-06-19 05:10 am (UTC)In the system I use, human beings have three bodies -- material, etheric, and astral -- and are evolving the fourth, which belongs to the mental plane. These are all bodies, and they do not belong to soul or spirit. The spirit consists of the seed forms of the bodies we haven't evolved yet -- the spiritual and causal bodies we'll evolve in the far future -- gathered around the Divine Spark. The soul is something else again: it's the collected experience of all our previous lives, all the way back to the beginning, which serves as a template for the spirit when it creates the bodies it will indwell in each new incarnation.
Follow-up questions energy vampire
Date: 2023-06-19 05:19 am (UTC)A couple of weeks ago you gave me some excellent advice about dealing with an energy vampire:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/235714.html?thread=41419970#cmt41419970
As soon as I added the red bag (to the daily SOP and Judson exercise), my physical issues got considerably better within a day. Thank you very much for this!!
That has brought up a few more questions:
1. My (homemade) explanation is this: The physical issues were related to the kidneys. I know that in the Chinese system, the life force is seen as being related to the kidneys.
When I decided to severe ties once and for all, the energy vampire felt that and „clung“ to me even more than before, drawing too much life force for my kidneys to handle, hence the physical problems. And when I added the red bag, that interrupted the flow and helped with the issues.
Does this sound like a plausible explanation, or am I completely off the mark?
(I‘m not asking about medical advice, but about the occult perspective on things.)
2. Could the red bags, or something similar, also be used to protect the space within a house or flat, and everybody within it? E.g. by putting one into each outer corner, or at the „center“?
3. Somebody close to me would like to wear a red bag during this time, too, but is prone to fumbling on the nail until the cloth is pierced and the bag is losing salt.
Is there anything else you could recommend instead of a nail in a protective amulet? (If that matters, it‘s a teenager - although I presume people with toddlers might have the same question… :D ).
4. Finally, just wanted to say that all of this, especially the physical issues showing up and going away in such sharp timely coincidence, have been a bit of a shock - I hadn‘t realised that some people could draw quite as much energy from others (and I‘m fairly sure this person isn‘t even doing it consciously). Is this a common thing?
Thank you very much for your help!
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Date: 2023-06-19 06:31 am (UTC)2) Yes, very much so. I've done this, in fact.
3) It needs to be something sharp-pointed and made of iron to get the same effect. If that's not an option, you may need to look up other protective amulets -- my book on natural magic covers the ground, possibly in too much detail.
4) Yes, unfortunately.
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From:Encounter with the shadow, or something else?
Date: 2023-06-19 05:29 am (UTC)However, I got my revelation. It was the opposite, a battle of spiritual and intrusive thoughts which had me realise that no, I'm not that good, and as a human, I'm well capable of evil. It shattered me, sent me to bed for a couple of weeks shaking, and although I most certainly did not behave badly, I now realise a lot of what Jung and others have said about the shadow, the dweller, and various other little human demons. Encountering them, and trying to integrate them is harrowing.
I can see why people sometimes can't walk or function after these experiences. I certainly couldn't.
Three years on I'm far wiser, and interestingly, those types of people that would once waste my time or abuse me now don't even try, or have largely left my life.
It's got me thinking that something of the secret of the Great Arcanum, that 'terrible' secret is in it, it seems to be when humans have to move beyond the binary of morality, and that's terrifying? Am I on the right track here with this thinking?
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Date: 2023-06-19 05:33 am (UTC)I had sort of a multi-part question over the last couple of weeks, and the
feedback from JMG and a few others on those has been pretty interesting.
I want to thank JMG and all the other responders for their replies to those
ponderous and possibly cumbersome questions! ;^)
Today, I'd like to put forth the final part of that conglomerate, so I'll
have a lot of stuff for discursive meditation, so to speak.
Postulate:
At the end of a physical incarnation the "persona" (insert traditional name),
is withdrawn from the "physical/etheric" (insert Your traditional names),
and through the so-called "second death" is integrated into the "soul/higher
self, lower genius, et al) so to speak.
N.B.
According to Dion Fortune sometimes etheric "vampirism" is practiced in order
to forestall the inevitable "second death". This is usually a big 'bummer' for
everybody. Once discovered though it's curable enough, if a trifle messy.
Time seriously passes*..., on the inner and outer planes, various and sundry
marvelous conditions culminate to resolve many things, or not.
Eventually, the "soul / higher self" feels conditions are right, and is drawn
toward the dense physical again. Unless, that was the final incarnation needed
to "graduate", and stay on the inner levels. So far, so good...
Which leads to the "summum arcanum" of this whole question, for "me"!
This also has possible "mystical" as well as "magical" ramifications.
Once the "Individuality" is freed from the "necessity" to incarnate, can it be
in actuality "Individual", though of course connected to, and a part of
"ALL THAT IS"? Will there come a time when it's dissolution into ALL THAT IS,
is inevitable? That is in contrast to the mystic's voluntary "Union with God".
When will everyone in this life wave attain the summum? I haven't particpated
in the "Cosmic Doctrine" discussions, hope to though. I'm aware JMG has high
regard for her production of that work. I've studied just about All her work,
while we are all "products of our time" to some extent, she's pretty remarkable.
Unless you're "Mina Mathers"! Thanks JMG for the link to that PhD dissertation!
I'm not asking to have this stuff answered, just garner some thoughts.
Why would anyone want to understand stuff like this? Seems Mighty Strange.
We all likely get intuitive insights from time to time as we practice.
Does anyone practice the "Bornless (Headless) Invocation" on a regular basis?
Or, for that matter even once? That's one you gotta work up to, whew! Inflame!
That's it, no more "dumb questions" from me!
* Ala, Douglas Adams: "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency".
* A Great Book! ;^)
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Date: 2023-06-19 06:37 am (UTC)1) The idea that the self finally dissolves into the Divine is a belief of some mystical traditions, but it's not supported even by most mystics. It's more a matter of realizing that you've been a part of All That Is all along; you don't stop being an individual, you realize what "being an individual" doesn't keep you from being part of the All.
2) Everyone in this life wave will achieve the summum bonum when they get there. There's no fixed time frame. You have all the time there is; have fun.
3) I dunno, I suppose some of us are just curious. ;-)
4) Good heavens, yes. I've done it weekly at certain times in my life for years at a stretch. I know other occultists who do it several times a week. It's potent stuff, but well within the reach of anyone who's learned to do serious ritual work.
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Date: 2023-06-19 06:50 am (UTC)A few Magic Mondays ago, or on the Open Post, someone mentioned the possibility thatconjunctions between Saturn and Neptune indicate the end of empires. There were Saturn-Neptune conjuntions in 1809 and in the 1840s. The first may have something to do with the fall of Napoleon, which happened in the years ahead (but the timeframe isn't exact). But for the Saturn-Neptune conjuntion in the 1840s I dont't know a falling empire.
Secondly, I can assert that "The Wisdom and Way of Astrology" from Goswami Kriyananda is a good, solid introduction into traditional natal astrology, and well organized.
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Date: 2023-06-19 07:23 pm (UTC)There's also Mexico to bear in mind. While the official Mexican "Empire" was short-lasting at least in name, in the 1840s Mexico lost a decent amount of its land to the United States, which arguably qualifies as an end-of-empire.
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From:Top of the day
Date: 2023-06-19 07:39 am (UTC)JMG, had a couple of related questions.
1) Last couple of weeks I suddenly felt like the answers I was getting in horary were wrong, and I ended up not listening to them, and it went well. In fact, I haven't been using divination at all since, on the vague sensation that I shouldn't be using divination for now/I don't trust the answers I was seeing.
Is this some sort of weird test? Do you have any idea what's going on / why it would stop working suddenly?
(This has happened at the same time some of the biggest changes are happening in my life, and I had some major spiritual experiences including reiki 2 initiation.)
I'm not sure what's going on but the answers were completely sketchy sounding and I ended up going with my own intuition and it worked.
2) Do you think fear affects divination? I realised that often in the past I have had some ambient fear associated with my particular questions; this fear has to do with painful experiences in my past but it wells up when I think something similar may happen.
I dislike this because I think that fear causes more superstitious behavior, lapses of logic due to the way fear causes the mind to highlight non-important properties of whatever is being examined etc, and thus I want to not experience fear, or have it affected my divination, or my behavior.
Any advice on how to integrate fear is welcome.
(It doesn't debilitate me, I have a strong will and I force my will over the fear, but I want to integrate the fear so that there isn't so much a nervous system overhang in my day to day.)
Re: Top of the day
Date: 2023-06-19 07:53 pm (UTC)2) Any strong emotion will mess with your divinatory abilities. That's why it's often best to get a reading from somebody else when the subject is one about which you have personal feelings. As for integrating it, usually that's an issue because of unresolved childhood experiences; the Order of Spiritual Alchemy work (available here: https://octagonsociety.org/preliminary-lessons/ ) is one good way to deal with those.
Age factor
Date: 2023-06-19 08:23 am (UTC)Thanks !
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Date: 2023-06-19 09:00 am (UTC)Re: On Gurus
Date: 2023-06-19 06:44 pm (UTC)Fair warning: I haven't read the piece yet, and he's coming at this from a materialist Buddhist standpoint, but he's a careful thinker and reasonable person who takes the concept of "Meaning" very seriously, so maybe this can be helpful.
Cheers,
Jeff
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Date: 2023-06-19 10:22 am (UTC)The drugstore I use periodically sends coupons to use to get photos/enlargements printed for free (or incredibly cheap). I have been getting occult/alchemical (out-of-copyright) prints made (to eventually frame with refurbished thrift-store frames). Does anyone have any out-of-copyright artists who have occult/alchemical/occult-adjacent paintings that they like? Or a specific drawing/painting? Thanks for any recommendations.
Murky Befuddled Mermaid
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From:A curious experience
Date: 2023-06-19 10:47 am (UTC)Last week I asked whether it was possible to pray for dead people we have never met.
Your answer was thoughtful as usual when you said: "Sure, but you'd want to figure out why you want to do that."
Allow me to explain why I asked that.
A few weeks ago, in my country, a father in law who had assasinated his daughter in law barely 9 years old at that time was handed a very heavy prison sentence (40 years). It was a terrible tragedy but at least justice was done. The press covered the trial and a picture of the girl with her face blurred was published.
I read the article and as any normally endowed human being I was sad for the unfortunate girl but relieved that justice was done.
However within hours of reading the article I felt a very deep sense of profound sorrow and sadness which moved me to the point of tears.
I am a man of 58 with a normal and stable emotional life with wonderful kids and wife. I never cry. Terrible murders like that are not common in my country but are no longer rare, alas. In previous cases I was not moved to the point of tears.
This time was different. At first I put it down to the fact that the victim reminded me of my youngest daughter who is alive and well!
But I was not entirely convinced and I pondered on why I was so distressed with a gut wrenching feeling that I was staring at some abysmal but banal evil.
As a practioner and student of LRM of several years, I wondered if some memories of my past lives were not breaking the surface there? Or is it something different or am I delusional?
Now I am not going to go into knots over this episode, I noticed that the emotional charge has gone done with time though I still feel sad at times.
I am quite aware that there is the danger of creating false memories there, so this is why I won't do anything to boost this experience.
Anyway, your views are deeply appreciated and thank you for your time, energy and expertise.
Regards from a far away land.
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Date: 2023-06-19 10:56 am (UTC)I have begun a (perhaps indefinite) period of celibacy. Circumstances in my life permit and support the decision at this time. I would like to learn more about proactively channelling the sexual energy otherwise dissipated through masturbation into more constructive applications in my life. Are there any practices, exercises, or references you could recommend?
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Date: 2023-06-19 08:26 pm (UTC)https://archive.org/details/rosicrucianmanua00plum/mode/2up
This seems to work better for most people than the more famous exercise introduced by Dion Fortune in her book The Problem of Purity, which is also out of copyright:
https://archive.org/details/b29814777
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Date: 2023-06-19 11:24 am (UTC)For those who wonder what HOGD means, the list of Ecosophia abbreviations is available! Now updated with BOL and DF.
Last week I finished The Witch of Criswell. The book can be held in one hand and the cover is stiff enough to read while lying in bed. The pages are thin but not so much that the text shining through becomes troublesome. I loved the division in chapters of roughly 10 pages. That's the amount I can read in about half an hour. That made it easy to read a chapter before bed. I noted with some wonder that Ariel can read two books in a single day.
I enjoyed the recognizable aspects of high school in the story. Each chapter had many things to meditate on, and the plot kept me curious about the next chapter. My mind rejected the traffic accident as overly dramatic and unlikely.
The finishing paragraphs were fun! I've been working on reducing my mobile phone use and wish I could copy Ariel's solution. Highly recommended, and I'm looking forward to the next installment!
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Date: 2023-06-19 12:38 pm (UTC)I finally got my Earth Pipe installed at one corner of my vegetable garden that puts it roughly in the center of my gardening space. JMG, I know you had one for your garden in Maryland, how long was it after you installed it before you could see it's effect on the plants growing there? Also, did you notice how far the effect spread out from the earth pipe to the surrounding area?
Thanks much.
P.S. If anyone else has installed an Earth Pipe in their garden, I would live to hear from you as well.
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Date: 2023-06-19 06:53 pm (UTC)Thanks,
JH
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Date: 2023-06-19 12:48 pm (UTC)I've recently got back into more focused occult study and practice after a long break and have found that I have developed a noticeable aversion to meat (especially eating it). The aversion isn't intense - I can handle it, eat it if needs be, etc. But there is a definite subtle pushback against consuming it. I've sat on this for a couple of weeks and checked other physical markers and everything is fine. So I was wondering if you'd ever heard of such an overlap between occult practice and aversion to eating meat?
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From:Cosmic Doctrine
Date: 2023-06-19 12:55 pm (UTC)I’m continuing my progress through your excellent commentary on the Cosmic Doctrine and have reached chapter 22. The CD makes it clear that each swarm cannot progress up to the next plane until it is free. But I’m a little unclear how this applies to human death/reincarnation. When we die we leave our material bodies, but do we not cross over to the lower Astral plane as we do so? How does that work in Fortunes metaphor as we yo yo between the two planes over many lifetimes. Also, is it not likely that more than one swarm end up occupying each plane? It seems to me unlikely that we have to endlessly wait until every single member of our swarm is ready to move to the next plane.
Kind regards Averagejoe
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Date: 2023-06-19 09:57 pm (UTC)Geomancy shield chart question
Date: 2023-06-19 01:23 pm (UTC)I hope you are well,
I find myself interpreting a geomancy chart I have a strong emotional investment in.
I asked the geomantic oracles:
“Would you say it is a good idea to get my blue belt?”
1M Tristwych
2M Merch
3M Fordd
4M El’w
1D cyswyllt
2D bendith Fawr
3D cyswyllt
4D Fordd
1N Colled
2N Colled
3N el’w
4N carchar
RW pobl
LW Bendith Fach
J bendith fach
I have a strong attachment to my Jiu Jitsu gym and want to at least get my blue belt, but ever since I departed for a time and returned I’ve had injuries that have prevented me making much progress. I also feel a lot of imposter syndrome. “Everyone else here is so cool! I wish I could be as cool and good at this as them!” Despite the fact that everyone has been nothing but friendly and supportive. (Aside from a brief period where I was asked not to roll when I shared I did not have them cvd vaccine) I enjoy the practice, but I also feel a lot of self imposed emotional pressure to be “good enough” by showing up as much as I possibly can.
At first glance I interpret this chart to mean I’m simply going with the flow, and getting the blue belt would be a minor if temporary blessing. Two bendith fach as left witness and judge being a weak yes.
But with the bardic grade geomantic input, two bendith fach and one pobl have a much darker interpretation. “disputes and illnesses, fevers, discords, envy, madness, and the loss of the thing asked about; it is unfortunate in questions concerning illness.”
Do you think the above interpretation suggested for multiple occurrences of bendith fach is applicable in this chart? (I’d like to believe it’s not but don’t want to delude myself) Do you have any insights for me?
I also cast one more chart with the question “would you say it is a good idea to not get my blue belt?” RW llosgworn y thraig J carchar LW Pen Y Thraig. Which I interpreted as a difficult ending makes space for a new beginning. I can post more details on that one if you feel it’s applicable.
Thank you so much for your time and wisdom!
-WindMan
Re: Geomancy shield chart question
Date: 2023-06-19 10:03 pm (UTC)As for the double Bendith Fach, that reflects your own tangled feelings on the subject; you're feeling discord over this, and envy of the people who you think are doing better than you are. Don't let that slide into madness...
Re: Geomancy shield chart question
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2023-06-19 10:34 pm (UTC) - Expand(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-19 02:06 pm (UTC)I guess my question is how long does a sacred site stay sacred if it's no longer in use and nobody remembers what was done there? Is there karmic blowback if you know the site may have been important at one time but go ahead and build your hardware store anyway? Or is the controversy in France all just a tempest in an etheric teapot, especially given that nobody knows if the removed stones were really part of the Carnac complex or just something that somebody erected at a later time for non-sacred purposes?
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Date: 2023-06-19 10:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2023-06-19 10:58 pm (UTC) - ExpandCarnac and earthquake
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