Essene Healing Open Post

[ecosophia]

Longtime reader and commenter Tunesmyth, who coordinates the Ecosophia Prayer List, had a useful suggestion over on this week's open post on my main blog: 

"Over in the thread on the prayer list where this discussion first came up, there have now been two MOE practitioners who have piped in with somewhat different perspectives about what is desired or needful regarding bringing healer and those needing healing together via the internet. I am certainly happy to play a part in making something happen, perhaps integrating or linked with the current prayer list in some way. But I think there first needs to a bit more of a conversation between those who are planning to do this work about what they would like to see happening, exactly, when it comes to making a site, and/or possibly adjusting the “healing” section of the Ecosophia prayer list.

"JMG, might I suggest that you might start a new MOE thread on the Dreamwidth site in order to facilitate a discussion within the full MOE practitioner community about this?"

That strikes me as a very good idea. So -- let's have that conversation. Those of you who want to practice Essene healing online, what do you need to direct healings and blessings toward people who need it? Those of you who need healing, what level of contact are you comfortable having? What other issues might need to be addressed?  Have at it.
 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I wouldn't even try without a picture & a name. It's difficult for me to make the connection without them.

-Josh

[tunesmyth]

Josh, have you tried yet? You never know, you might end up surprising yourself.

[open_space]

Glad to see this taking shape!

I haven't really tried otherwise but if I can form an image of the person and the area to which direct healing I feel it works best for me as I feel it establishes better rapport.

That said, as alternatives to people that, understandably, don't want to share photos to people they don't know I propose full names or a picture of the name handwritten.

A useful note is that I tried sending energy to the anonymous users that replied to my query and the sensation I got is that the energy gut flow into me but wouldn't go past my left arm at all, as if my right hand wasn't connected to anything to close the circuit, so at least for one, it doesn't work with completely anonymous.

If someone is willing to try with a username, I will try and report back.

[tunesmyth]

This sounds like a good experiment. You already know my real name, so I hope someone else you don't know will offer you a username, instead. :-)

[(Anonymous)]

As a healer I would need the person or pets first name, and
an outline of the issue. I would like their approximate age and gender and where they are in the world. Gold standard would include a photo.
Maybe the most important thing is some sort of follow up. So new healers like myself can get some sort of validation of their abilities.
Also I believe people working together at the same moment on the same recipient works many time better, if it can be organised, so maybe groups of 8 people or more in regions would be optimum.
Cealin

[open_space]

For pictures I suggest forming a Healing Hands Council that would administer a Proton mail account. They have good security and anonymity practices.

Happy to hear from other MOE practicioners

[guillem66]

Happy to know from the perspective of other MOE practicioners. So far, i've not done healing to people at the other side of the net, and so my experience goes in other directions.

[temporaryreality]

Something I’ve been (not so successfully) feeling my way around, or figuring out how to reconcile, is the MOE’s teaching that the Divine healing power is a) all-present/knowing/loving etc; b) that it’s also somehow “directable” or needs my intermediation; and c) that knowing the reason for the prayer/healing request is necessary.

With the latter, I wonder if the request gets in the way (for me, at least). Because I’ve inserted desires into what then becomes a request for a specific outcome rather than for Divine Will to be made manifest, it feels like too much “me”.

Obviously people want to be (or have their loved ones be) blessed, protected, and healed, but I find I eventually got overwhelmed by the list of requests and all the details and had to step back and work only with the names to allow my still rather undeveloped “sending of Divine energy” to not get bogged down.

I’m not sure if this is exactly what you’re bringing up here, but if it’s not too far off, I’d like to hear your and other commenters take on this.

[tunesmyth]

I of course don't hold any of the ultimate answers to these questions; but at the very least I can share the worldview I've developed regarding the relationship between deity and humans via prayer, with the hope that you might gain something from it toward your own understanding of the MOE work.

Divinity can be all-present, all-knowing, and all-loving* and still be directable (or at least petitionable), and having good reasons for prayer is important. Think of parents who are wise, loving, and fully involved in their children's development without being controlling. They want their child to build independence and strength of character, and so they focus on giving their child the best environment in which to learn and grow, rather than just giving them the easiest life possible. This means, generally, a hands off approach. Of course, if the child ever asks the parents for help, they will consider it-- but they might not always actually choose to give any. It depends on several factors, including:

(1) What level of communication the child has managed to develop
(2) Whether the child is really trying their best even before parental intervention comes into play
(3) The outcome they feel is best at the end of the day, balancing the child's wishes or needs with those of other children

For instance, if the child has moved out on their own and suddenly calls asking for extra funds, the parents are going to want to know some more details before sending cash. Even if they already heard the details from someone else, they want to hear their child's version in their own words. Why is it necessary in this case? What steps is the child taking to deal with the situation already on their own? Etc.

Likewise, with prayer (and I presume with MOE work), the gods are not magical candy dispensers. Rather, they are timeless forces of perfection upholding the universe. They won't get involved without an invitation anymore than a grade schooler's parents get involved with every small disagreement on the playground. While they are aware that such things happen, they won't directly get involved in such events unless the child or a teacher comes to them and asks for some involvement. So it is, I believe, with the gods.

When you make a request for a specific outcome, yes, it's expressing your idea rather than "Divine Will". But just as a parent is delighted-- in the right circumstances-- when their child comes to them for help with a problem at school, so, I believe, the gods are fine with us asking for particular outcomes (as long as we are not *demanding* them). In both cases, depending on the details, the higher authority may sometimes judge that it is better not to get involved; but sometimes they will be delighted to help out when asked, and see it as an opportunity for teaching, bonding, and growth.

Anyway, that's my simple perspective, and I hope it helps you in some small way!
____________
*(though not all deities necessarily share all of those qualities!)

[(Anonymous)]

I've struggled with the same issues, Temporary Reality, and settled on calling on the Divine to send blessing, healing, and protection to a small handful of names toward the top of the list. There are so many people, pets, and situations that it can be truly overwhelming for me.

I claim no skill at this, just an honest attempt and trust in the Divine to do what needs to be done.

Perhaps there's a personality component to this? No one size fits all approach? When I trained for my Reiki I and II attunements, there was talk of spirit animals who would help you direct Reiki to where it needs to go, but honestly that made no sense at all to me. Anyway, some people seem to love it. Different strokes and all that.

I have a hard enough time figuring out what's for dinner, never mind directing the Unseen to work on the issues of someone else, who may also be unclear on what, exactly, they truly need. That's the beauty of the MOE as I perceive it. The Divine knows what's what. So I ask respectfully, and walk away.

Valerie (OtterGirl)

[guillem66]

for me, a lot of the healing comes from awareness. Until we realize that something is ill, we cannot act to take care.

In the same way, the divine energy needs our intentionality to flow.

But remember that we are also part of divinity.
We are acting like C-Lynfocites, detecting the places where healing is needed and sending a signal so the required energy can get there.

About your personal intentions, i think that any intention that asks to heal something is wide and balanced enough to allow for the greater wisdom of the Gods to come through.

[tunesmyth]

Thank you, JMG, for providing a central place to bring conversation together!

My own understanding of the conversation as it has progressed thus far:

--We've definitely established that Healing Hands is sufficiently close to prayer that anyone who has requested general prayers for healing qualifies as having given consent enough to be sent Healing Hands.

--Ottergirl brings us the perfectly reasonable point that there is a big difference between approaching the act of Healing Hands as "prayer" vs approaching it as "treatment" (with a direct two-way communication between healer and recipient assessing progressing).

--Open Space seems to suggest that in his experience, Healing Hands is more effective when approached with a treatment modality, with knowledge by the recipient of when the deed is performed. (I'd like to hear data from others about this.)

--Whether or not this is true in practice for everyone, it seems clear from what JMG has written that Healing Hands is still an effective and worthwhile technique when performed "merely" as prayer; and furthermore, that provided that no advanced MOE techniques are used in conjunction with it, normal HH will not interfere with other forms of healing and energy work, and can be performed safely and effectively even without the recipient's conscious knowledge.

So perhaps through the course of this conversation, the consensus may form that it would be good to have a system whereby sick people could arrange for appointed times where they receive HH; or perhaps not. Either way, I think it's worth making crystal clear that anyone on the Ecosophia Prayer List under the "Health" subheading qualifies as having given consent for Healing Hands. Regardless of how far you've progressed in your MOE studies, any of you can freely offer HH to those people at any time you like.

Anonymized healing hands

[jpc_w]

When you brought up your prayer circle idea, I asked my patron deity if I could perform healing hands based on "whomever in [tunesmyth's] list has the greatest need". It was deemed acceptable, so I perform one as part of my practice, after I have dealt with my own issues and of those in my family circle.

Performatively, the healing hands operate slower than normal, but otherwise feel the same.

[tunesmyth]

JMG, forgive me as I haven't read all of the MOE materials yet, but-- am I correct in my understanding that, as MOE work is a form of spiritual healing which accesses the world through the Spiritual plane, then it is not tethered to the material world through the direct experience of time, and that (in theory, at least) it shouldn't matter if other people perform it at the same time as you, or if the patient is aware of the fact at the time you perform it?

Is it possible that people who report better results through synchronized temporal practices that they are actually pushing through part of the healing via their own energies (individual or group as the case may be), rather than or in addition to those coming from the divine realms?

[ecosophia]

That's a good question which would have to be settled through careful observation and experiment. My guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that Essene healing accesses forces from the spiritual plane but expresses them through the planes on which human beings live and act, since we're involved in the healing process! Thus its relationship to the linear time of the material plane is a complex matter, and following traditional guidelines and personal experience is probably a better idea than trying to make it conform to potentially arbitrary theories.

Ow

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, can anyone take a crack at my black eye? (Long story.). I’d appreciate it, it’s awfully sore.

—Princess Cutekitten

Re: Ow

[open_space]

Healing energy en route! Auch...

[(Anonymous)]

My two cents, for what they are worth:

Personally, I am happy to do Healing Hands for some people on the list, as time permits - sometimes I get to it, sometimes I don‘t. I wouldn‘t want to have to commit to doing a certain healings for a fixed set of people, as I simply can‘t promise that right now.

For similar reasons, I am not willing to commit to any definite timeslot or session time.

I‘ve found that I don‘t need a „real“ firstname, photo or such. Any form of handle seems to do, as long as there is something (anything really) for me to focus on (this can be a nickname, initials, „Random-usernames aunt B.“, or similar). The divine seems to know whom I‘m targeting.

Finally, I want to point out that scheduling „healing“ sessions might not go over well in certain jurisdictions, where „healing“ is restricted to qualified professionals. As long as this is a prayer list, and people „pray“ for other people (in whichever way they see fit, and we have established that the Healing Hands are a form of prayer), that will probably be above board, legally - especially in this form of group setting. Once somebody starts scheduling one-on-one healing sessions, that‘s a different kind of beast and could potentially lead to legal problems.

Milkyway

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that any form of handle is enough for me

[(Anonymous)]

I forgot to add…

tunesmyth, and also jmg: Thanks a lot for going to all that trouble to help some random strangers! :-)

Milkyway

[tunesmyth]

Thank you as well! Also: not strangers, entirely. It may be a loosely knit community, but it's still helping the people in a community that I feel close to.

[yuccaglauca]

Although I can use the MOE healing hands alone, I generally prefer to combine it with the related Dolmen Arch healing circuit technique. (Discussed here.)

So, do you think that's sufficiently close to "MOE healing hands" to count if someone asks for that, or should that count as something different?

In the case of Nichole Cardillo that Tunesmyth mentioned, for example, I did the MOE Healing Hands alone.

Alternate arrangements...

[hearthculture]

Thank you, JMG, for cordoning off this space and kicking off this discussion.

To address the issues present in practicing spiritual healing semi-anonymously arranged through the internet, I have thought of two possible experimental arrangements:

1. Perhaps the power of this healing can be channeled to and through other healers. Imagine that there is a forum where prayer/healing requests are made with varying levels of anonymity. There is a separate more private and vetted forum for MOE practitioners to gather and share, and those healers share more about themselves (at least a first name, region, and blurry photo.) For requests that are completely anonymous, those healers who do not experience hindrance from anonymity can make direct connection to the requestor at an arranged time that is posted in the healer forum (preferably at least a day in advance.) Other healers can choose to join in by either connecting anonymously to the requestor - or they can direct their energy to the healer that scheduled the session (who is not anonymous,) asking that their contribution be added to the primary practitioners intentions.

2. One of my favorite quotes is "The hardest of all is learning to be a well of affection, and not a fountain; to show them we love them not when we feel like it, but when they do."-Nan Fairbrother
In this spirit, perhaps the MOE energy and egregore can create a well of healing for those seeking healing anonymously. In the same sense that the golden section fellowship practitioners create a temple, perhaps we can create a ritual for establishing a well of healing, we could have one rituals for the initiated to fully access this well and add to it, and another basic ritual to connect with and draw from the well. Then on a prayer request forum, anyone who posts completely anonymously will receive an auto response with info on how to draw from the well (with MOE practitioners still able to send healing directly if so compelled.) I've found that healing is far more potent when the requestor has some participation and investment (even as small as stillness or directed time/attention.) A simple and quick Drawing-from-the-MOE-Well ritual would also fulfill this purpose.

I envision the adding to the well ritual as needing cleansed space and some other elements to maintain the purity of intention and purpose before healing hands and/or breath are. The drawing ritual could be simpler, perhaps a standardized affirmation of healing intent followed by a blessing-sit where the person would bless items/plant/animals/humans in their immediate space to attain alignment with the flow of blessing, and then an activation statement and action to begin drawing on the well.

-Logistically, I like the second idea better than the first. ;) Though, I can see elements of the first idea being useful - having a private practitioner forum and an open request form/forum.

Thanks to everyone for their commitment to this work and the discussion so far. <3

Re: Alternate arrangements...

[tunesmyth]

Hearthculture, I was just going through the comments one more time-- and I'm glad I did, I missed yours the first time around!

It might be possible to arrange for both possibilities without too much trouble. The second idea sounds very promising; I'd love to hear JMG's take on whether this is worth experimenting with; I'll ping him below, as I'm not sure how closely he is following the discussion.

Well

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if anyone wants to take a shot at my years old fatigue issues and nervous system issues, please do.

(To deal with these issues, I was initiated into reiki 2 earlier this year, so I am treating myself a lot with reiki currently, and I'm currently going through a pretty painful physical/energetic and emotional detox from it). Im curious if Essenes is something else.

Highly grateful if anyone decides to take it up (and do let me know).

Best
Daedalus

Re: Well

[open_space]

Casted a divination to see if it was a good idea for me to send some and I got that doing it was reckless and with the risk of making things go upside down. I suggest you wait...

[(Anonymous)]

In my Healing Hands practice I find that even sending healing to an anonymous requester feels like something is happening. I get a distinct sense of the energy flowing to a specific place and accumulating around a human figure before rushing in and doing what needs to be done.

Sometimes I get the sense that healing needs to be sent somewhere and I activate the healing hands and ask my deity to send the energy where it needs to go. I will pray something like "Somewhere out there is a person crying out for this kind of healing. Please make sure this energy gets to them." And I find that feels very effective as well.

Really all I need is the consent of the person.

I have been working though Tunesmyth's prayer list on days when I have more time to dedicate and I am very grateful for the chance to practice.

Breanna

[open_space]

Interesting about your experience about the anonymous user I got a very clear sense of energy pooling in my and resisting to go somewhere.

How did you phrase your intention?

Meeting Notes for this Open Post

[tunesmyth]

Okay, as comments seem to have slowed to a crawl, I'll do my duty as the official unelected Secretary to the as-yet unformed Council Of Modern Essenes, I'll take a moment to read back the notes of the meeting thus far. If I mischaracterize anyone's positions, do please correct me!

Team 1: PICTURE AND NAME ARE IMPORTANT FOR DISTANCE HEALING

1. Josh says he wouldn't even try a picture and name.

2. Cealin wants to know first name, approximate age, gender, and location, and prefers a photo. He'd also like to be able to follow up. He'd also like to be able arrange many people to be able to heal at the same time on someone.

3. Open_space splits the difference, maintaining that picture and real name are basically unimportant for general healing, but preferable for more serious or specific issues.

I have a question for Josh, Cealin, and anybody else who says that they feel they can't successfully send healing energy at a distance without a name and/or photo: Have you tried it? If so, what was your experience? (And if you haven't, perhaps you might try a small experiment before setting your mind against it.)

Also, Cealin's notion of arranging group healing sessions for special cases is worth trying out, I think, and I hope there will be some formal experiments in that direction if we soon organize a proper internet Order of Essenes group.

Team 2: EVEN JUST A HANDLE IS ENOUGH TO SEND HEALING

1. Open_space reports he was able to successfully send healing energy equally well with my name and picture, as he was with my handle. It's also noteworthy that he couldn't successfully get the energy to flow out of him when the one requesting healing remained completely anonymous.

2. Valerie also reports being able to send Healing Hands just as well to handles as to names (at least on her end).

3. Likeise jpc_w (at least on his end).

4. Likewise Milkyway (at least on their end).

5. It's true in each of these cases that we're not getting the perspective of the person being healed (or at least the healers haven't reported on it here); but it's worth noting that after handle-only Princess Cutekitten asked for healing in this very open post, two people reported that they sent healing (one of whom said it was their first experience sending to a "stranger" and it felt just like a one-on-one healing), and Princess Cutekitten reported great improvement the very next day.

There is one further "team", though it only has one person:

Team 3: COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS IS EVEN FINE

1. Breanna feels she is just as easily able to send Healing Hands to completely anonymous people for whom there isn't even a handle.

2. (But open_space has not shared this experience, and asked for more details; at the time at which I send this, Breanna has yet to reply.)

Finally: What should we do about creating an organized online MOE group, at which to pool requests, try out and share data with experiments, and keep communication lines open?

1. Open_space suggests forming a Healing Hands Council that would administer a Proton mail account, because of Proton's good security and anonymity practices.

2. Sarad suggests opening a MOE forum on the OSA website. Another anonymous (Kyle?) also offers to facilitate a permanent discussion space when they get back from their vacation.

As nobody else besides Sarad/Kyle(?) have offered or suggested other forum venues, may I put forward the motion that we take them up on the offer for now? If for some reason the facilities or atmosphere there seems insufficient, we could always make different arrangements later on, if necessary. Once regular meeting place is established for geographically diverse MOE practitioners who wish to stay in touch, I'm sure that the other notions we've talked about (an official shared mail account, various experiments) will follow quickly.

All in favor, say "aye"!

Re: Meeting Notes for this Open Post

[(Anonymous)]

I just wanted to clarify that with „handle“, I meant anything I can focus on.

If this is just a post/comment by an anonymous person, then I‘ll focus on the person who posted it.

So I‘m in camp 3.

If it works the same, better or worse, for a completely anonymous recipient, I can‘t tell at this point - but it doesn‘t make a difference to me (and it doesn‘t seem to have an influence on how well the energy is flowing or not), and I trust that the divine will be able to make the connection even if I can‘t.

Thus an anonymous comment will do. The „handle“ is purely for me to have something to spell out and focus on, I can easily create that from the content of the request (like „for the person who had the such-and-such surgery recently“).

Milkyway

Unanswered Questions

[tunesmyth]

Here is a collection of as-yet unanswered questions from this Open Post that seem worth getting answers to.

From Open Space: JMG, on the last Ecosophia Open Post you mentioned about "the advanced essene healing techniques" when talking about Tunesmyth's daughter. Are those available for the higher grades you've made public?

Also to JMG, from me: does Hearthculture's second idea of creating up a stored place of healing energy for those who need it to draw on seem workable? Or is it unnecessary, as MOE practitioners draw on and channel divine energy to begin with, and not their own? And even if it is workable, would it be liable to abuse by corrupt parties?

From Open_space: Breanna, how did you word your intention or otherwise make things work when you successfully were able to send Healing Hands energy to completely anonymous recipients?

From me: Apologies, I haven't read far into the MOE curriculum. Are there any advanced techniques that have been appeared up to this point beyond regular Healing Hands, for which you feel consent, beyond regular consent for healing prayer, is desirable?

Re: Unanswered Questions

[tunesmyth]

The last question was meant for all MOE practitioners, not JMG in particular.

[open_space]

Wondering if anybody else get's their heart vortex very active after their healing sessions. I just performed seven, as I do every day, including Tunesmyth and Lady Cutekitten and my heart center feels very active! Every time I perform a healing session I feel so much better, so I can confirm, healing other people also seems to help heal oneself.

[tunesmyth]

I don't do the MOE general practices (though I would certainly like to, if I can ever figure out a way to clear a little more free time in my life), but I wonder if I've experienced the same effects as you speak of, merely with my experimentation with the MOE's Heart SOP.

Final words, for now

[tunesmyth]

I've been in touch with sarad by private message; it sounds like a separate MOE forum is in the works, and more news may be coming toward the end of the month. I, she, or somebody will update JMG when the new forum is ready and we can take it from there.

Once the MOE members have sussed out how and how much they want to do any healing for Ecosophia community members beyond basic Healing Hands to petitioners on the prayer list, I will certainly feature that news as part of my weekly advertisements for the prayer list at the very least.