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Essene logoLongtime reader and commenter Tunesmyth, who coordinates the Ecosophia Prayer List, had a useful suggestion over on this week's open post on my main blog: 

"Over in the thread on the prayer list where this discussion first came up, there have now been two MOE practitioners who have piped in with somewhat different perspectives about what is desired or needful regarding bringing healer and those needing healing together via the internet. I am certainly happy to play a part in making something happen, perhaps integrating or linked with the current prayer list in some way. But I think there first needs to a bit more of a conversation between those who are planning to do this work about what they would like to see happening, exactly, when it comes to making a site, and/or possibly adjusting the “healing” section of the Ecosophia prayer list.

"JMG, might I suggest that you might start a new MOE thread on the Dreamwidth site in order to facilitate a discussion within the full MOE practitioner community about this?"

That strikes me as a very good idea. So -- let's have that conversation. Those of you who want to practice Essene healing online, what do you need to direct healings and blessings toward people who need it? Those of you who need healing, what level of contact are you comfortable having? What other issues might need to be addressed?  Have at it.
 



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Date: 2023-04-30 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Something I’ve been (not so successfully) feeling my way around, or figuring out how to reconcile, is the MOE’s teaching that the Divine healing power is a) all-present/knowing/loving etc; b) that it’s also somehow “directable” or needs my intermediation; and c) that knowing the reason for the prayer/healing request is necessary.

With the latter, I wonder if the request gets in the way (for me, at least). Because I’ve inserted desires into what then becomes a request for a specific outcome rather than for Divine Will to be made manifest, it feels like too much “me”.

Obviously people want to be (or have their loved ones be) blessed, protected, and healed, but I find I eventually got overwhelmed by the list of requests and all the details and had to step back and work only with the names to allow my still rather undeveloped “sending of Divine energy” to not get bogged down.

I’m not sure if this is exactly what you’re bringing up here, but if it’s not too far off, I’d like to hear your and other commenters take on this.

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Date: 2023-04-30 03:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
I of course don't hold any of the ultimate answers to these questions; but at the very least I can share the worldview I've developed regarding the relationship between deity and humans via prayer, with the hope that you might gain something from it toward your own understanding of the MOE work.

Divinity can be all-present, all-knowing, and all-loving* and still be directable (or at least petitionable), and having good reasons for prayer is important. Think of parents who are wise, loving, and fully involved in their children's development without being controlling. They want their child to build independence and strength of character, and so they focus on giving their child the best environment in which to learn and grow, rather than just giving them the easiest life possible. This means, generally, a hands off approach. Of course, if the child ever asks the parents for help, they will consider it-- but they might not always actually choose to give any. It depends on several factors, including:

(1) What level of communication the child has managed to develop
(2) Whether the child is really trying their best even before parental intervention comes into play
(3) The outcome they feel is best at the end of the day, balancing the child's wishes or needs with those of other children

For instance, if the child has moved out on their own and suddenly calls asking for extra funds, the parents are going to want to know some more details before sending cash. Even if they already heard the details from someone else, they want to hear their child's version in their own words. Why is it necessary in this case? What steps is the child taking to deal with the situation already on their own? Etc.

Likewise, with prayer (and I presume with MOE work), the gods are not magical candy dispensers. Rather, they are timeless forces of perfection upholding the universe. They won't get involved without an invitation anymore than a grade schooler's parents get involved with every small disagreement on the playground. While they are aware that such things happen, they won't directly get involved in such events unless the child or a teacher comes to them and asks for some involvement. So it is, I believe, with the gods.

When you make a request for a specific outcome, yes, it's expressing your idea rather than "Divine Will". But just as a parent is delighted-- in the right circumstances-- when their child comes to them for help with a problem at school, so, I believe, the gods are fine with us asking for particular outcomes (as long as we are not *demanding* them). In both cases, depending on the details, the higher authority may sometimes judge that it is better not to get involved; but sometimes they will be delighted to help out when asked, and see it as an opportunity for teaching, bonding, and growth.

Anyway, that's my simple perspective, and I hope it helps you in some small way!
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*(though not all deities necessarily share all of those qualities!)

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Date: 2023-05-02 03:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
It does help, thank you!

your message and the several others that used expanded the metaphorical language around prayer and requests made of deities were helpful - I tend(ed) to take things rather literally, without remembering that analogies could be useful here. Since I don't have a conscious relationship with any particular deity, it's all been rather abstract - thanks for grounding this for me.

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Date: 2023-04-30 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've struggled with the same issues, Temporary Reality, and settled on calling on the Divine to send blessing, healing, and protection to a small handful of names toward the top of the list. There are so many people, pets, and situations that it can be truly overwhelming for me.

I claim no skill at this, just an honest attempt and trust in the Divine to do what needs to be done.

Perhaps there's a personality component to this? No one size fits all approach? When I trained for my Reiki I and II attunements, there was talk of spirit animals who would help you direct Reiki to where it needs to go, but honestly that made no sense at all to me. Anyway, some people seem to love it. Different strokes and all that.

I have a hard enough time figuring out what's for dinner, never mind directing the Unseen to work on the issues of someone else, who may also be unclear on what, exactly, they truly need. That's the beauty of the MOE as I perceive it. The Divine knows what's what. So I ask respectfully, and walk away.

Valerie (OtterGirl)

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Date: 2023-04-30 05:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
Valerie, I completely understand your feelings. There are an awful lot of entries on the prayer list, and even if there were no prayer list, there are an awful lot of people in our own lives! So much of life is learning how to focus on what we decide matters to us. As far as the prayer list goes, that's why I offer my "editor's picks" before the list proper begins. Speaking of that--

CALLING ALL MOE HEALERS

Nichole Cardillo has a cancerous tumor in her duodenum (in her small intestine) and she's going into surgery on May 1st (that's *tomorrow*) to try to remove it. She desires a successful surgery that completely removes the cancer and a full return to health afterward. Please feel free to send Healing Hands her way at any point before, during, and after the surgery.

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Date: 2023-04-30 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes! Long live the Editor’s Picks. That is indeed much appreciated. 🙏

Valerie

PS: Nice transition to a call for prayer! 😁

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Date: 2023-05-01 01:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space

Healing energy en route

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Date: 2023-05-01 01:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Will do, Tunesmith.

Ron M

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Date: 2023-05-01 02:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
Thank you so much to all who sent prayers and spiritual healing to Nichole!

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Date: 2023-05-02 02:44 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Healing sent!

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Date: 2023-05-03 03:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
Thank you!

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Date: 2023-05-02 03:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Thanks Valerie, it's nice to read of someone else's similar experience (and I'm right there with you on the eternal dilemma of figuring out dinner :) ).

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Date: 2023-05-02 04:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space

"The Divine knows what's what. So I ask respectfully, and walk away."

Seems to be the case for me too. I sent energy to a friend of mine that has hyperthyroidism, without directing it there, I just said "what she needs the most" and she replied that she felt a pleasant tingle where the thyroid is supposed to be.

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Date: 2023-04-30 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] guillem66
for me, a lot of the healing comes from awareness. Until we realize that something is ill, we cannot act to take care.

In the same way, the divine energy needs our intentionality to flow.

But remember that we are also part of divinity.
We are acting like C-Lynfocites, detecting the places where healing is needed and sending a signal so the required energy can get there.

About your personal intentions, i think that any intention that asks to heal something is wide and balanced enough to allow for the greater wisdom of the Gods to come through.

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Date: 2023-04-30 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is a wonderful analogy. It never occurred to me to think in terms of immune response.

Thanks for expanding my perspective! 🙏

Valerie

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Date: 2023-05-01 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
Yes, I quite like this analogy as well. It is good to remind ourselves that we are ever connected to divinity, and it's through our intentions, choices, and actions that in fact we participate in the divine order.

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Date: 2023-05-02 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Thanks guillem66 - this is a very helpful analogy.
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