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alone in winterThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   
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(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello all:

Last weeks the issue with dreams had been going hard over here. Last week there were the issue of the nature of the ‘problem’, be it demonic or divine.

I didn’t participate before in this issue, but I’ve also had a dream, but that was weeks before the Hypothesis by JMG was published. Las week comments on the possible nature of the issue made me re-think about that.

So, it’s gonna be long, and my english is poor, so if you are not interested or think this is pointless, forget about this.

My dream started as a walk by the countryside with my wife, daughter and a little dog we had that passed away by 2016. We were on my father’s patch of land (that I currently own but I can’t take care of), when I was hanging from a branch of an orange tree a little creature, like a bat, but bigger, although I knew somehow that it was really young, a baby, but it was ‘übernatural’ (that was the word, in german although I’m spanish… but learning german).

Then, on the way back home we came the same way, but the creature had been transformed. Now, under the same tree there were a nest of wood, with two black creatures and a little dog.

The black creatures looked like a calaverig dog. And the little dog was turned back to me, watching me with happy eyes, but with some sadness too.

Then, some knowledge appeared into my mind: those creadures were demonic, ‘bad animals from the unterworld’ that were feeding from the little dog alive (hence his suffering). They were feeding from alive creatures, they were already breeding, rising an army of such creatures.

They had a power: they erase the will of any creature within a range (that was growing, they were still young and ‘powerless’) and supplant it by their own will. That is what they had done to that little dog, that came to see them to be their food (and happy to be what he – them wanted, despite the obvious suffering and pain).

The army they were breeding soon will devour a big bunch of humans turning human will into those creatures will. A ‘mass casualty event’.

Then, I raised two questions: who/whom let them in – unanswered, and for how long – months to years.

Then suddenly, one of the creatures turned its ugly head to us. Our little dog run away from us, then we went after her, while going away as fast as possible from those creatures. I realised that they range was growing and we were close to it.

Soon, I loose my wife and my daughter from sight, but finally I found the little dog. Then I went after my daughter.

When I was close to her, a man appeared in the opposite direction, to the creatures, searching for a dog.

I begin to advise him that that was a one way ticket, straight to death.

Then, my wife made me know that better if I shut up, that man could be already in the creatures hands, and that may raise their awarenes about us. So better pick our daughter and run home ASAP. She was also on the way, but the man may be lost: there is absolutely nothing we can do about.

Then, I felt safe, all of us, and I wake up. But I had lots of anger at what will happen to humankind. It was pretty clear that this would be really nasty, and human made, not Covid.

My thoughts are that those creatures are let alone here by some entity, and since this is an issue of will, that will not return back, the conclusion I draw is that is something driven by some angry God. Not my preferred option, though.

These last days I had been thinking about it again, and the substitution of will by ‘others’’ resonates to me with MSM… and the result, as we can witness with Canada is anything but nice, although much less dangerous than what I understand from my dream (a really massive casualty ‘event’… although long in time).

But I have the feeling that the worst part is just around the corner, about to emerge…

I’m sorry if I had been too long.

Best regards to everybody, and thanks again to JMG for hosting this space.

Beamspot.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for sharing.

Ive had an unusual dream as well. Its very rare for me to dream something and still remember it vividly.

In this dream I was looking for my father. I searched in the location where he celebrated the wedding to his second wife.
In this place there were lots of very sick people lying on the floor, in agony and bleeding. Nobody else seemed to notice them, tho.

I searched for my father without helping them, tho, not sure why. I might have thought that they were beyond help, maybe I didnt want to get too close to them because I was scared. That part isnt clear to my anymore.

After a while I found my father. He was in a bad state as well, disfigured in some way, mishaped somehow, but still in better condition than most of the others.
I could pick him up easily and carried him out of there. Then I woke up...

Not sure what to make of that.
Oh, and the german word is "übernatürlich", sorry for the nitpick, but you said you were learning.

greetings from germany.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 06:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Vielen dank! ... Natürlich.

On another side... this overall situation remembers me of a song of those german 'nice guys' - Rammstein: Der Meister...

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks, man, that was really interesting!

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
A few months ago I had several very vivid dreams in the span of three weeks or so. Almost like nightmares, but one stuck out as really weird.

I was dreaming I was taking a nap (yeah, I know, weird), and I woke up because of a rising wind and rumbles of thunder. I looked out my bedroom window, and the clouds were scooting by dark and low and in fast forward mode, like you see in a movie or on TV. Then I heard a horn/trumpet, very loud, and the thought "Judgement Day!" came into my mind. This was followed by a fearful moment of "this could be bad", as I'm an agnostic.

Then I heard something else odd from the living room, like from a TV - and it was a crowd chanting in unison, "wheel of fortune!". Now I'm familiar with the concept of predestination, but I have never heard of any religion that has a core belief that when you die and are judged, the destination of your soul comes down to a spin of a giant game show wheel.

Lately, I've been sleeping like a baby with pleasant dreams....;-)
Edited (added word "see") Date: 2022-02-23 12:48 am (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ivn66
Do you read Tarot?
Edited Date: 2022-02-23 03:58 am (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 05:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
No, can't say as I know much at all about Tarot. However, I will admit that I'm less narrow-minded than I used to be when it comes to experiences, beliefs and practices interacting outside of what I understand to be the material plane. Reincarnation, astrology, Tarot readings, nature spirits, demons, pagan gods, magic, etc., are concepts I would have dismissed with little consideration a couple of decades ago. Since following JMG from the ADR days over the last dozen years or so, I've picked up a few ideas and certainly have gained much respect for the posters here that do go outside of x,y,z and time.

I'm still technically an agnostic, but the needle is more centered now, and not leaning as strongly towards the materialist and atheist side of the meter.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-26 04:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Don't know if ivn66 will pick up from here. But your dream seems to have drawn two cards from the major arcana.

From the Rider Waite deck, here's Judgment
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G1oHcInc_XU/ThfmcZdmodI/AAAAAAAAAGc/0j5FFeYzYXY/s1600/Judgement.jpg)

and here's Wheel of Fortune
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jzEW7CyXK8c/Thf1jZV8jGI/AAAAAAAAAHM/eEW58ekpRf4/s1600/Wheel+of+Fortune.jpg).

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 06:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wonder if the Wheel of Fortune in fact was regarding to our 'fate in the plane material', I mean, what will happen to us in this material existence in the years ahead.

BTW, I was also agnostic, I came to JMG from the Oil Crash fringes (where I'm still active publishing technical articles) to TAD, but after all, I'm becoming more and more spiritual.

The fact that my wife had this kind of dreams before util her last: the dead of her father right the day well about two months before. She had blocked such dreams since then, but I wonder if it was her who put that dream into my mind given that whe was the one informing me to go home and avoid people. That was part of my departure from 'material plane only'.

Beamspot.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-27 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
Thank you for the replies and clarification. I read a bit on Tarot and the two cards that Anonymous posted, and the dream I had would seem to be related to the spiritual aspect of judgement and wheel of fortune. It certainly was very unique, and it did cross my mind that the connection to the astral plane was unusually strong from my past experiences. I'll have to do some more reading and contemplation on this - venturing outside of the material plane is little scary to me, to be honest.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
Regards the idea of angry or wrathful god(s): Although I can fully accept the idea of a 'reining in', I more see it as a 'check' built into the system in case of overreach. It's neutral, overall, but it's going to be a heck of a wake up call for those kidding themselves that humanity can become godlike on the material plane. I guess the difference is subtle, something I've been attempting to get my head around recently in amongst the increasing noise.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
i e. this is what happens when too many get out of balance - see Taoism etc.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 06:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yep, I had been quite convinced that our society is increasinlgy believeng (and behaving) as we were gods. It is overdue to have a 'cure of humility' for many people. This may be a good reason to trigger god's anger.

I wonder if this is just the case.

Beamspot.

THank you Beamspot, thank you JMG

Date: 2022-02-23 08:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you Beamspot, your dream is absolute dynamite. You are blessed! And we are blessed by your telling it!

You say you are on your fathers' land that you cannot take care of. This is where our culture stands. We cannot take care of the earth culture we inherited from our ancestors. The culture/land/life has been left unattended, and what happens - it becomes occupied by something that is not benevolent towards us. We lost the blessing of our gods by letting out inherited land be unattended and demons can use that to enter and breed.

Becoming a pet to demons - wanting to be a good and obedient little dog, letting oneself take orders from "masters" - how very clearly one can see this happening all around. Wanting to save those who have gotten under the spell: something that tantric masters in the Indian traditions used to do - highly risky, only for seasoned occult warriors. Possibility of getting defeated and ending up on the other side is high. But the inner suffering ot the little pets is the food for those nasties. All of the mental illness and young people in trouble and many many good things breaking up in our society is making those nasties grow bigger.

So we made our bed by letting the inherintance from our ancestors go unattended. Now we get to lie in it. The dream seems to indicate that fighting the nasties is not advised. Laying low - for a long time?
Crimson Crotchety Chicken dreaming of being the chicken warrior that eats the nasties and burps mightily, asking what's for dessert? Some delicious fear-incubating organisations, maybe? The "prestigious" Imperial College? So many deliciously suppurating lies, oozing and frothing bias to high heaven. Maybe the chicken can grow to resemble her ancestors, the dragons, with this kind of food.

Re: THank you Beamspot, thank you JMG

Date: 2022-02-25 07:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for this. I didn't think about the symbolism of my fathers patch of land until I wrote here, and you have nailed that.

I need to meditate more about this point.

On another hand, las week I had a visit from my 'old friends' from that land (I was born in the same town than Rafa Nadal, where my fathers patch of land is located, but I live about 200Km away, close to Barcelona, the main reason why I can't take care of this land... although I see clearly that this may be the future). The situation there is that the 'old folks' are returning with force to the traditions, the gift culture, and to our ancestors roots. That is good, but most 'young folks' are not even from our continent, and that is something that I wouldn't discuss here.

Beamspot.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 11:15 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
'and my english is poor'

No problem, the mine one is poor too...

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 11:19 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That dream is very scaring, and yes, it points to mass death event or sickness mass event...
Saludos

-A Spaniard.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 07:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Muchas gracias, Paisano.

Beamspot.

A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Major news agencies have reported that the CDC has withheld covid data because it was concerned that the data would be misinterpreted. This is a major admission and it has been covered on the NYT, MSN, Bloomberg, CNN, Yahoo, and NBC. I don't know why the CDC would admit this or why the MSM would suddenly start covering content that is critical of the government's handling of covid.

My guess is setting things up for someone to take the fallout, but that only creates more questions.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, if the basic hypothesis is right, this is probably a sign we're about to reach the point where a lot of people start dying...

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I remember years ago a course on social psychology. The teacher said “WE won, THEY lost.”

It was a reference to sports teams. Your team won the championship? “WE won!”

Your team lost the championship “THEY lost.”

I’ve always been on the lookout for this line of reasoning. People back quickly off of a losing horse. They don’t want to be associated with losing. They also pile on a win they quite literally had nothing to do with.

It’s a useful line because you can see the MSM doing this now. Like they weren’t cheerleading it the entire time. In the hopes that people will forget they were involved or had any culpability. One of the reasons this works is because their fans did the same thing.

“The government has lost and failed etc.”
“They lost.”

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear Anonymous,

You make an excellent point.

With me, slowly over the last several years, then in a slick-slide down over the last 2 years, the MSM has lost all credibility. I no longer bother to look at MSM, NYT, CNN, and the rest of that gang of shills; instead I look for individual journalists and writers who have shown a track record of professionalism, intelligence, and honesty. There are a few. Our host is one of them.

Ochre Jejune Stradivariusaurus

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Um. I don't have it handy, but an insurance company was saying a while back that deaths are up something like 40% over normal among young adults. So, a lot of people have been dying for quite a while now.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 02:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That "40% increase" is an increase in a very small number. Life insurance for young adults is very inexpensive, because so few of them die (especially, I suppose, those mature enough to buy life insurance). For an insurance company, a 40% increase in pay-outs means that they need to raise premiums 40% to break even, which would be a shock to their customers. But for most of us... well, how many young adult deaths are you personally aware of? A low rate, multiplied over a large population, will come up with a big, scary number, but consider the recent figure of "about 1 million excess deaths (of all ages)". In a population of 350 million, that's one person in 350. One death is a tragedy, of course, but a million is just a statistic.

Lathechuck

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 04:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A 40% increase in mortality among working age people is, to put it mildly, an enormous signal. For the US population, even 10% increase represents, IIRC, a 3-sigma event, meaning even a 10% elevation would occur, by chance, only once about every 500-1000 years. A 40% increase would be a 12-sigma event, and the statistical tables in my references don't go that high, as the chance likelihood of such an event is virtually zero within the lifespan of the universe.

This is a big deal: There is a new cause of death in the 18-64 demographic, and it's by far the largest cause of death for this group, nearly returning us to the mortality rates of the late pre-antibiotic era. And this is only for the first year since the start of the "jabs". You may not be scared. I sure-the-h*ll am.

--Lunar Apprentice

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
It's difficult to gauge the personal impact of relatively rare events. On the one hand, one death in 350 might not seem like much. Chances are good that you or I (any particular person) might not know anybody who dies in any given year. Maybe somebody you know dies every three or four years. Still might not seem like much; I mean, I already attend two or three funerals every year (although they are mostly for elderly neighbors). On the other hand, It's been twenty twenty years or so since I left college. If five or six of my classmates had died in that interval... well, that would be a big difference.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Has it even been a full year since the vaccines were first given to young adults in the US? Here in Canada it wasn't until sometime in May or June they became available for me (aged 26). So if we have a 40% increase in less than a year, this is a major red flag.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
To put the 40% increase into perspective:

A while back I looked up and compared 2019 all-cause US mortality to 2020 all-cause US mortality and predicted mortality.

There was a 20% increase in actual vs. expected mortality in 2020. Meaning, of course, that whatever number of people were predicted to die in the US in 2020 (based on models of past years and population age), 120% of that number died. US all cause mortality as a percentage of population went back up to what it was about 20 years ago, after two decades of decline.

So in 2020, we stopped the world for a flu that in the end drove all-cause US mortality up by 20% - and we don't know how much of that was the result of covid, and how much was the result of the response to covid, which causes delayed/missed treatment of other illnesses. But evidence also indicates that the 20% increase in 2020 was primarily among older and sicker people.

Now we're seeing a 40% increase in all-cause mortality among young people, and the official government response is....(chirp, chirp)......

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-24 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Personally, in the working age demographic, since April 2021, two.

Also two more who would have died if they hadn't been with their respective wives at the times of their respective heart attacks.

Not online friends, in person friends. The two deaths and one survivor local, the other survivor had been local before a move.

For sure the two survivors were vaxxed. I don't know about the two deaths, it seems rude to ask their grieving parents (who are in very poor health themselves, which is why I suspect both were, because they were good, careful, sons, for whom early adoption to protect elderly family would have been in character).

AND my brother-in-law, mid-forties, now has congestive heart failure.

All men. Make of that what you will, but I'm reminding all the men I know to go to their doctors.

BoysMom

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-24 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have never mentioned this till now. Last year, my estranged sister (age, early 60's) was found unexpectedly dead in her house. She was a nurse, so, I assume she was fully foxed. Nobody to ask if my guess is accurate.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
We'll see. So far, nothing much is happening in Europe or Japan, in terms of overall mortality. I expect mortality to stay high/rising in the USA for a variety of reasons as the country declines at an accelerating rate. That will probably be difficult to separate from whatever damage is caused by experimental drugs. That may hit the outer regions of the empire, too.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My confidence in whatever data may be coming out of various European bureaucratic maws is a little shaky these days. Just sayin'.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If you have data to support your claim about Japan, please provide a reference. I live in Japan and am not aware of any comparative yearly all cause mortality data being published.

I a aware of NHK (public broadcasting) having a segment of the morning program dedicated to fact and opinions regarding vaccine side effects. Since this is a breakfast time slot I was quite surprised at the theme.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] weilong
Preliminary reports of demographic trends are published monthly here (latest is Nov 2021):
https://www.e-stat.go.jp/stat-search/files?page=1&layout=datalist&toukei=00450011&tstat=000001028897&cycle=1&tclass1=000001053058&tclass2=000001053059&tclass3val=0

Annual reports are published here (2021 report is due sometime in March):
https://www.mhlw.go.jp/toukei/list/81-1a.html

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-25 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Similarly alarming data has just come from a German life insurance agency suggesting a ten fold increase of adverse cases than previous estimated. The numbers were so high as to suggest 1 in 25 people would require medical attention for their adverse reactions. Also it should be noted that usually this would be internal data, but they felt it would be immoral to keep this data signal private.

https://thehighwire.com/news/large-german-insurance-company-estimates-2-5-3-million-people-in-germany-under-treatment-for-side-effects-of-vaccination-after-covid-shot/

This coupled with other similar data streams from US insurers, and Wall Street placing shorts in Moderna stocks suggests to me the wheels have totally fallen off the bus with this narrative.

The only thing I could see effectively hiding all this from the public would be WWIII

-Okasha

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-25 08:12 pm (UTC)
athaia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] athaia
Don't worry, we've got that covered - Russia just threatened Finland not to join NATO, or else.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-22 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Because we are now about into chapter 17 (pg 59) of the scenario plan. If you want spoilers, read ahead:

https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

Murmuration

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for this.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 08:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Erm. I'm far from sure this could really be considered a plan. It's a scenario, of a sort done regularly, and it differs from what's happened in enough ways that I doubt there's anything more going on here than the fact some things can be predicted in advance, and the public health officials have been planning how they'd handle a pandemic for a long time.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, they've been scenario planning in earnest for about 20 years. It started more or less in conjunction with the anthrax events in the US in the midst of the wmd debacle. Going back to read through the write ups that followed each 5 year scenario planning session, they started fairly loose. As they approach 2019, they sure do feel like they tighten into the shape of what we've now lived through. This last writeup, it's not an exact set of steps, a step 1-20 baking recipe, for sure. But you don't really have to squint your eyes very hard at all to see 2019-present waving at you from out of those pages. The names are fiction, the nitty gritty specifics don't match, but the major story beats are there, and quite a few of the minor ones as well. For me, it's way past a list of generic things a society should do in a pandemic, things to bear in mind, should a pandemic come along. It's way too close an overlap to lived experience in my mind to dismiss.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Except it's not supposed to be generic list. It's meant to be a scenario, which means they want to imagine what could happen. I didn't dismiss it: I read it carefully and concluded that any pandemic scenario would include most of the same details. People who are only mildly sick assuming they have the flu, not getting tested, and inflating the CFR, well of course this would happen if it's a coronavirus, because they are hard to distinguish from the flu; a hastily approved EUA drug having nasty side effects and probably not working at all, again, this is easy to predict because drugs which get full approval are found to be dangerous and not work regularly; people opposing the vaccines, once more, it's easy to predict.

My point is that the outline matches reality because it is designed to match what would happen in the event of an epidemic. It's missing the vaccine passes, lockdowns, etc, so most of what actually matters about the response since 2020 is nowhere to be found in that report.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 01:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The Weather Channel didn't want to report the weather in case somebody misinterpreted it.
Ha. rrrrigghhhttt........

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:15 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...snowflake joke in the oven...

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 06:30 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
THE GASLIGHTING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL TOTAL ZOMBIE MIND-MELD

Re: A weird change in the narrative

Date: 2022-02-23 05:35 pm (UTC)
homeopathic_meditations: (Default)
From: [personal profile] homeopathic_meditations
If you cannot know the official/aggregate data, you must decide in advance how are you gathering your own data. Otherwise, two things may happen. 1) Others will push their data (and their agendas) to you, and you will end up believing the narrative your emotions identify with; or 2) You will go around fetching data that already conforms with the narrative you already believe.

For what's worth, the criteria I do use is: "cases in people who I know by face and by name". and "people known by face and by name to a third party in category 1 (aka. I know them by face and by name)". By each of these criteria, I already know at least one case of severe side effects after vaxes, though thanks God none fatal yet (unlike fatal Covid cases). All other hearsay, I disregard as statistical noise (though it might be useful to grasp the overall awareness of the general population).
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks to whomever posted the Naomi Wolf article last thread. I read it this morning. It was awesome.

It got me wondering though, is this one of the precursors, the second religiosity JMG has written about so often. Whatever a persons religion is, or may in the future be, I definitely appreciate the ability to talk about matters of the numinous and luminous. I hope people can have interfaith discussions in a civil way if this is indeed an earmark towards the return of people towards religion & spiritual matters.

Here is the article again for those who may have missed it:

https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/is-it-time-for-intellectuals-to-talk?utm_source=url

May Peace Abide in this Forum!
From: [personal profile] weilong
That was a really good essay. Some people look at the current situation, figure that things could not have gone so consistently wrong just by mistake, and conclude that somebody must be doing it on purpose (this line of thinking gets tarred with the "conspiracy theory" brush). Naomi Wolf has concluded that something supernatural must be at work. I won't pretend to know, but I've seen some good arguments for characterizing it as a catastrophic failure of bureaucratic management - i.e. once the ball gets rolling, for whatever reason, nobody has the power to stop it.
From: [personal profile] queenjane
I definitely appreciate the ability to talk about matters of the numinous and luminous.

Same here. I believe those of us who find ourselves tribeless in these strange times now have an opportunity to form new friendships and alliances based on deeper values. And for that I am grateful, although it took me some time to get there.
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From: [personal profile] stcathalexandria
Agreed. I spent a long time trying to get some people to see things the way I saw them. Accepting that people believe something different allowed me to look for others who shared a similar worldview. I know I don't like to be bullied into believing something and it was unfair of me to try to do it to others.
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From: [personal profile] causticus
That article really is a turning point! Seeing a leftist intellectual icon suddenly re-embrace religion seems very telling that the second religiousness is indeed upon us. Hopefully it will be a tame, interfaith kind of movement.
From: (Anonymous)
Tamara Lich has been denied bail. Arrested and detained on the charge of "counseling to commit mischief", she is now a political prisoner. Dark days indeed for Canada. I feel angry and helpless, and I have no idea what to do in the face of this wave of authoritarian oppression.

https://torontosun.com/news/canada/canadian-press-newsalert-ottawa-protest-organizer-tamara-lich-denied-bail

Tim PW

From: (Anonymous)
I don't think it's question so much of what to do, which is with Faustian default, but rather how to be. Perhaps acting at this point is part of the problem.
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, very disappointing news. In contrast her 'partner in crime' Chris Barber got a slap on a wrist and a warning to 'git outa town and don't you come back agin'. Seems that Tamara is one of the founders of some obscure Alberta separatist political party. Of course, it is perfectly fine to have a Quebec separatist party sit in the federal House of Commons, but Alberta (which is far-right)? Now, now, let's be reasonable! Government needs at least one victim to represent the Barbarian Truck Movement and poor Tamara, who has at least one small child, is the victim.

Ron M
From: (Anonymous)
Snothet angle.. they are very keen on keeping the diversity crowd away from protests...if that circle ever squares. Big trouble...so encourage blm as safety valve. Celadon

Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 07:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seanbolger1
Here in the UK, Sage advisory body, the government scientists, are predicting a new hyper lethal varient that can kill up to 35 percent of the people it infects.
Which is strange, first there is no way they can know that in advance and also their previous prediction were mostly wrong and have significantly damaged their reputation.
Also so far covid has only had a 0.3 percent death rate, highly concentrated in the elderly population with several co-morbidities.
A rate of 35 percent would put it on par with the black death.
Assuming everyone in the UK caught it, that would put the death toll well above 20 million. Thats quite an extreme prediction to make even more so considering the amount of criticism they are already facing for their previously wrong forecast.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10527921/Now-SAGE-warns-Boris-weeks-bonfire-Covid-rules.html

Kind regards
Sean

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:16 pm (UTC)
ari_ormstunga: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ari_ormstunga
That's an oddly specific prediction, all things considered.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Every time I see this sort of thing, I wonder if this isn't some sort of foreknowledge of the extent of ADE coming.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think they're just going with worst-case-scenario CFR from MERS.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vitranc
Well correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t our illustrious host say something eerily similar back in August.
Concerning endgame…

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yup, the original prediction was for a variant that killed a third of the people who contracted it.

Here it is: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.orfg/140421.html

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deathcap
Well if you're expecting a mass casualty event from auto-immune side effects, that would line up.

I'm not. I'm just expecting a gradual, alarming increase in random cardiovascular, auto-immune, and neurological illnesses. That seems more likely cause catastrophe really doesn't happen very often.

But I'm no prophet, I'm just a dude in the southern US with an internet connection and a distrust of authority :)

-deathcap

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seanbolger1
I agree, it's usually nonstop stories how random stuff can give you a heart attack.
The sage prediction is somewhat strange. Just way out there.
However it does fit with jmg original prediction.
Also here in the UK the government has been lying about how many people are foxed.
Kind regards
Sean

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I agree, reality favors boring outcomes like everyone fudging along in mediocre health with a slightly raised annual death toll. Followed by human stupidity from frustration at the mundane lol.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is what I'm expecting, as well. That, and a mysterious increase in fertility issues among the upper class that we just have nooooooo explanation for, nope, doesn't make sense at all.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deathcap
"The birth rate is down because highly developed countries always have their birth rate go down because they're smarter and more educated and have better access to contraceptives. The advanced state of today's economy is the reason why people are having less babies."

There's your "answer". :p

Re: declining birthrate

Date: 2022-02-23 07:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] claire_58
I'm not sure who you are quoting or if your post is intended to be tongue-in-cheek but FWIW the birth rate goes down very predictably in 'highly developed countries' because the conditions of life in those countries make having children a burden and an economic deficit. In societies where the primary locus of production is within the home or a 'master's' workshop women's productive work is not curtailed by having children and children start contributing to the domestic economy at any early age.
The downward trend in birthrates in the early phases of industrialization in England is well documented and it long pre-dates the ready availability of modern birth-control.

Re: declining birthrate

Date: 2022-02-23 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, it *is* a well documented phenomenon. And it is also tongue in cheek, as any reduction in fertility caused by the events of the past couple years can be very easy handwaved away by a lot of folks by pointing that out.

Re: declining birthrate

Date: 2022-02-24 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
Having children also becomes more deadly as industrialization occurs, so women are more likely to be unable or unwilling to have children.

Industrial people are weak and sick:

https://www.bowdoin.edu/news/2021/04/pregnancy-and-rickets-in-victorian-britain-a-dangerous-combination.html

Women in industrial societies are also more likely to be capable of leaving the house and supporting themselves with a job on their own, and so be able to get away from the deadly, emotionally demanding, often heartbreaking, and, frankly, occassionally tedious, task of having children if they didn't want to.

Birth for humans is very dangerous compared to other animals as we have deeper placental connections (except IIRC I think it was one species of bat, and horses had an even deeper placental connection) as well as our narrow upright pelvis; in most animals the placenta attached directly on the surface, so they don't risk bleeding out. In humans, the dance between the placental arteries and the mother's body is very finely tuned; too shallow connection and the fetus dies, too deep and the mother does (I saw a paper on equine placentas once titled "marvelous organ and lethal weapon", and as someone who had an abruption exactly like a horse... yeah.)

More developed societies also have hospitals and doctors, making childbirth far more deadly than even the baseline for humans:

http://www.methodquarterly.com/2014/11/handwashing/

Putting Birth: The Surprising History of How We Are Born in hotel rooms would produce better population control than the Pill, with less estrogen in the water supply!

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The trouble with these reports is that very few people read them carefully enough to understand exactly what was written. The 'prediction of a new hyper lethal variant' in that article reads as follows (emphasis mine):

"It warned of a 'realistic **POSSIBILITY**' that a variant **COULD** spawn that is just as lethal as other coronaviruses known to strike humans, such as MERS, which has a 35 per cent case fatality rate. Mutations are more likely while circulation of the virus is high, the panel said.

Referencing the document in its minutes, SAGE warned that the scenario — which they've already floated before — remained a 'valid' **POSSIBILITY**. But the report also admitted that it was **EQUALLY REALISTIC** that the virus will mutate to become **LESS** lethal over time."

'Possibility' and 'certainty' are really big, really important words to scientists. If asked whether it is **possible** that a natural disaster **could** stop the truckers' convoy next week, I would have to say 'Yes, that is possible." Why is it possible? Only because we do not know of anything that renders it utterly impossible. That does **NOT** mean such a thing is at all likely to happen, and it does **NOT** mean I predicted it would or should.

Please, everyone, read carefully so that you do not succumb to the propagandists.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you! Yours is one of the most important posts here in quite a while.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 06:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vitranc
Brilliant simply brilliant.
Thank you for this.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 06:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you! Yours is one of the most important posts here in quite a while.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's kind of a stretch to say they're predicting a hyper lethal variant. It sounds like they're saying that there is no guarantee that the next variant will be mild, and it could even be comparable to MERS, another novel coronavirus that has a 35% fatality rate. However, they also acknowledge that the next variant might be mild as well.

I read it not so much as a prediction of doom as a warning that we don't know the future and this virus might yet surprise us.

Mark L

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seanbolger1
I don't understand why they would even publish it considering how trashed their reputation is. Its just more ammo for the daily mail and telegraph.
Kind regards
Sean

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This reminds me of a time I went to a doctor and asked him how things would pan out.

He told me: "it could get better, stay the same, or get worse" :)

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 06:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
But when it gets way worse they sell loads more ads!

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just the guys with the spreadsheets having some fun.
Once your reputation is shredded you can go all in.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's about time some impartial jury had a close look at SAGE's (and comparable bodies') calculations and their influence on the demonstrably harmful and largely pointless measures that have been taken over the last two years.

No sane scientist has ever mentioned that so drastic of an outlook, so they must clearly be nuts. Or evil.

I did a quick search on possible connections to the WEF, but amazingly, I found none. They must be independently nuts.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hippieviking
An acausal connecting principal...

Re: Hyper lethal variant

Date: 2022-02-22 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, whatever the next pandemic du jour may be, a few lessons learned--

1. An astounding number of people, whether elected, appointed, or self-appointed, will be thrilled at the opportunity to stomp on others human and civil rights(as far as they're concerned, you don't have rights, just "privileges," and they decide what those are for you)

2. An astounding number of people will be thrilled at the opportunity to stop leading their boring little lives and signal their virtue and status in Important Ways! And many will also be thrilled to join category 1! Relatedly, they reveal that they slept through high school biology, like, totally!

3. Big Pharma has some newfangled concoction to inject you with that makes their stockholders smile

4. Your doctor is more likely than not a spineless heartless zombiekins, but if you're in category 2, no worries, you won't notice


Re: Hyper lethal variant

Date: 2022-02-23 02:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This list should be printed out and tacked to everyone's fridges and bulletin boards!

1] Check - I live in Canada so ask me why I know this!

2] Double Check! - Particularly true if they are liberal/left white women or Gay men. Not sure why but I live in a neighborhood full of them - in Canada (full disclosure I am a Gay White Man)

3] Triple Check - Because Capitalism!

4] What can I say? Invasion of the Body Snatchers - my doctor is someone/something else now.

Liam in Toronto


Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Always seems to be something around the corner, doesn't it?
I can't help but think of that old TV infomercial trope, "But, wait! There's more!!"

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 06:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"But wait, there's more! However, we can't tell you about it because it might be misinterpreted!"

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-22 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is it possible the next variant is not in fact a variant, but cover for incoming vax damage?

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 02:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That might be difficult to pull off, if there wasn't actually a variant, since at this point there is a lot of attention being paid to tracking and genomic sequencing of variants.

I could envision them "discovering" some "new" virus that is rather benign and already present in almost all humans, and using *that* as a cover for vax damage. "The deceased tested positive for Sudden Cardiac Death Virus 2022 (SCDV-22). The virus appears to already be widespread in the population, so we could be facing a very large wave of heart attacks and cardiovascular problems in the months ahead."

It probably wouldn't actually work, since anyone could dig up old frozen samples and discover that they test positive too, but that's not to say it couldn't happen...

Mark L

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 06:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well old frozen samples could test positive but they might not tell us because it might be misinterpreted! And people who do tell us, well, they get canceled. Pretty simple.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 12:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
This is related to a question that has come up that I thought I ought to run by you. There has been some talk recently that the more booster shots a person gets the more likely they are to turn up HIV positive.
In other material I've read recently, the question of whether HIV causes AIDS as everyone believes or is merely associated with it as a few people hypothesize has come up. (This is similar to the idea that rather than causing heart disease, high cholesterol is a response to other factors causing it.)
Do you think it would be possible that a weakened immune system resulting from other causes, such as side effects of the vaccines, fails to suppress HIV, which is more commonly encountered than we think, or even produces it itself (which is another hypothesis I've encountered).
Thank you for considering this if I manage to catch you.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Re: cholesterol and heart disease

This research-based perspective is interesting...
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/11/13/what-causes-heart-disease/

The alternative hypothesis, which I find more plausible, is that arterial thickening/hardening happens in response to vascular damage and the resultant clotting, with the body building new arterial wall tissue over the clots and narrowing the passageway in the process. This also has implications with regard to the microclotting caused by spike protein the bloodstream.


Re: HIV as causative agent of AIDS

I'm aware that this linkage has been controversial. I don't know enough about the different perspectives to say anything intelligent about it.


Re: HIV infection as a result of weakened immunity

This seems plausible to me - not that the weakened immune system would *produce* HIV, but that it would be more susceptible to infection.

Viruses are tiny and ubiquitous, almost on the scale of atoms and molecules. We all have quite a few atoms of uranium, arsenic, radium, and cadmium in our bodies. Below a certain threshold they don't cause a problem. The same is true of viruses except of course that they multiply. While I doubt that all of us have some HIV viruses in us at all times, it's almost certain that all of us encounter little bundles of HIV virions on a regular basis simply by existing in a world in which some people carry the virus in their bodily fluids. For any virus there is an average infectious dose. Exposure below this level will tend to result in rapid extinction as the innate immune defenses destroy viruses before they can infect cells. Exposure above this level will tend to result in replication and infection. The infectious dose is a function both of the virus itself and of the competence of the innate immune system. For HIV, this infectious dose is normally quite high, which makes it rather difficult to transmit.

Think of the innate immune system as a goalie. The number of points scored (the number of infections) depends on both the skill of the offense (the inherent infectiousness of the virus) and the goalie's state of health and mind. An exhausted or substance-addled goalie is going to allow more points, even against weaker teams. So I would not be at all surprised to see increased incidence of HIV infection following a treatment that weakens innate immunity.

Mark L

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
RFK Jr's book, the real Anthony Fausti (or a title something like that...) has considerable material on HIV and the many ways it doesn't seem to fit as the sole cause of AIDS. Interestingly, several people independently discovered another microorganism that, when found in blood samples along with HIV, seemed *much* more predictive of developing AIDS. People can carry low HIV loads for decades, unlike my earlier impression.

The pattern was set by Dr Fausti 30 years ago-- determine the one Answer, and then viciously defame, defund, and ignore anyone brave enough to challenge that party line. Particularly effective when most federal research $ comes under your direct control.

I had never encountered any of these parts of the AIDS story before this book. Luc Montagnier, recently deceased, discovered HIV. He stated back in the 1990s that it could not be the sole cause of AIDS. The book is a well researched polemic, but worth the time to read.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-25 11:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Thank you, Mark! Yes, I think the body producing HIV on its own would be improbable, but one interesting speculation out there.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 12:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Given Sage's predictive accuracy is on a par with Jim Kunstler's, I consider this to be a good news story.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 06:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Here is a good substack article on this subject:

https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/uk-advisers-warn-of-original-antigenic?utm_source=url

And Geert theorizing that ADE may be on the horizon with Omicron:

https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/omicron-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing

Same from Radagast:

https://www.rintrah.nl/heads-i-win-tails-i-dont-report-the-results/

The BA.2 variant does seem to hold that potential.




Re: Hyper lethal varient

Date: 2022-02-23 09:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Remember the "prestigious" Imperial college and their Neil Freguson? There's a twitter parody account, Neil Ferguson's Calculator™ that seems to re-incarnate after each twitter purge. I mean, what would I get if my calculations missed the mark tenfold? Trouble, I'd say. But not him. So there's a lot of free-flying miscalculation in the air, and all of it, absolutely all, is in the upside. Have we seen a single prognosis miscalculating in the less-lethal direction? So we're seeing heavy bias and little takedown. Here is one that looks a bit closer the forecasts from that prestigious institution https://www.aier.org/article/the-failure-of-imperial-college-modeling-is-far-worse-than-we-knew/

CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-22 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/02/just-scandalous-cdc-withholding-most-of-the-covid-data-it-gathers-what-is-it-trying-to-hide.html

Also, some comments from IM Doc, a doctor who has been in practice for decades and is currently working in a smallish, well-to-do blue city in flyover:

------------- - --

Some IM Doc doozies. From August:

I was informed today by the Health Dept that they have absolutely zero way of tracking correctly vaccinated cases. In that they do not have the ability to retrospectively find out which vaccination the person has had. So there is no way the CDC will be having this kind of detail, unless other states are doing this. I seriously kind of doubt it. It is now looking more and more that it is going to be up to local physicians like myself.

And November:

When you have been doing this as long as I have, you have a memory of what happened before and with that comes certain expectations about what should be happening now. I think that is what separates the older than 55 crowd from the under 40 crowd.

We do not even have to go back to AIDS. I am thinking of the last 2 events in my career where there was exceptional involvement from the CDC. In 2018, we had the vaping crisis. In 2012 or thereabouts, we had the West Nile issue. Although that virus had been with us since 2001 here in the USA, it really exploded in the summer of 2012 in the Deep South in the USA. I will not include the 2014 Ebola problem. The CDC was very involved there but that never really had to be taken nationally, these other 2 examples did.

In both cases, there was frequent, at times weekly updating from the CDC about treatment options and guidelines. There was intense discussion of what seemed to be working and what did not. In both cases, these treatment options were obviously non-approved for these purposes by the FDA. There was a crisis, and this is what we have available, and this is how you should be using them. This is what works. This is what does not work. And this is our evidence why we feel the way we do. This was constant from the CDC in both cases.

That has simply not happened at all in COVID. Here we are 2 years into this. There is not a single shred of treatment advice from the CDC outside of the inpatient setting. Let’s face it – most antiviral efforts have to be done immediately. That would mean where I work in an outpatient setting is the golden hour. If we wait till the patients are in the hospital they are going to have much worse outcomes. The agencies are saying nothing about outpatient therapy and have put forth nothing. We have worldwide studies on fluvoxamine, ivermectin, HCQ, steroids, VIT D, VIT C, Zinc, and I am sure there are many others. We now have monoclonal AB. A question – have you ever heard Dr. Fauci discuss monoclonal AB in a positive way? If you have please show it to me.

There has been no guidance at all about any of these therapy options. There has been lots of censoring, hectoring, belittling, and confusion. It is unusual to find a physician willing to engage any of these therapies, despite some of them having overwhelming positive signals in early outpatient therapy.

There is not ONE single bullet. By now, 2 years into this we should be throwing all kinds of things at these patients – anti-virals, anti-clotting agents, anti-inflammatory agents. But we are doing nothing.

Again, our CDC has done nothing to help with this at all. NOTHING. Not only the CDC. In previous events, there was treatment advice flowing from medical schools around the country. CRICKETS.

We have gone all in on the vaccine approach and have done so from the beginning.

Now, the bill is due. My office is literally flooding with vaxxed and boosted patients that are very ill. We are in a precarious situation with the hospitals of America. They are in much worse shape employee-wise than many Americans would dare dream.

I feel all alone. I feel it is my sworn job to keep as many of these people safe and out of the hospital as possible. But there is literally no help from the CDC at all VAX VAX VAX. Here is the problem – about 85% of these patients in my practice that are now positive and getting sicker by the day are already VAXED Many of them boostered. We are in the middle of a crisis with the hospitals – and we simply cannot fill them up the way we have.

I have never felt so shat on professionally in my life. I am having to weave together treatment protocols from multiple sources. And hope for the best that we can survive.

Re: CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-22 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Are there any more recent updates from him?
Id love to hear his impressions from January.

Re: CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-22 10:26 pm (UTC)
temporaryreality: (Default)
From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Yes, my latest capture contains all of his January comments. I'll collect February's at the end of the month:
https://temporaryreality.dreamwidth.org/23773.html

Re: CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-23 01:03 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks, temporaryreality. I was about to link your blog here. You're doing great work!

Re: CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-23 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kiwigaz
Have you referred him to the COVID Frontline Care Aliance.....

Re: CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-23 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
Cheers for this as ever Temp.

Re: CDC hiding data. Shocker!

Date: 2022-02-23 05:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Thanks friends. I'm glad it's helpful.

Kiwigaz - I don't have direct communication with IM Doc (he's very busy, somewhat "elevated" in status at NC, and I'm not a commenter there) - but I believe he's aware of the Frontline protocol.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The idea of Covid Accountability needs to be pushed hard by everyone who can.

All that means, we really cannot yet say, as much remains unknown. It's too early for -public - talk about perpetrators or sanctions to be a useful strategy. But the idea that we must find out what and how it happened, and act to make sure it is never repeated, should be non-controversial and an easy idea to mainstream.

Covid Accountability needs to be part of every political discussion, by all parties. We've been told Covid is an global, existential threat, so there can be no argument against comprehensive global accounting of it's genesis and unfolding.

Even advocates of the Great Reset / Build Back Better should want Covid Accountabiity.



Me: "We need Covid Accountability"

My NPC sister: "What do you mean? It's no one's fault, it's a mutated bat virus."

Me: "Right. So we need an accounting of how it became a human pandemic, so it doesn't happen again. Next time we might not get so lucky with warp-speed vaccines."

Sister: "Yeah, that makes sense."



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Date: 2022-02-22 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is good. My fear is on large scale it would boomerang back around to placing blame on the unvaccinated for not getting vaccinated. "We've got to hold everyone accountable!" will be the rallying cry. It's never the government or media who is accountable.

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Date: 2022-02-22 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Back on the fourth open post, when you introduced the demon hypothesis, you wrote the following:

"Once the demons get as many people ensnared in their trap as they reasonably can, their efforts will shift to tormenting those victims with misery and despair; the breakdown of the mainstream coronavirus narrative, I think, marks the point at which they've begun to wind up the first half of their activities and pile into the second. Those of us who didn't fall for it will be of little interest once that shift is mostly complete; I expect to see the corporate media shift accordingly from demanding vaccine mandates to spreading the first unwelcome news that something is very, very wrong with the vaccines."

With the NYTimes now criticizing the CDC for withholding vaccine data, the CBC starting to ask if the boosters are worth it for young adults, and Denmark wrapping up their entire Covid-19 response altogether, we seem to be well on our way. It seems like this was an accurate prediction, and although it seems likely that some of the restrictions will remain for quite some time (ex: it seems like crossing international borders will require a vaccine for a while yet), most of the restrictions which matter are being wound down even in Canada.

I'm hoping things will enter a period of stability once these are wound down, but it feels to me like we're entering the calm before the storm...

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Date: 2022-02-23 02:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There have been quite a few of those of late. Do you think that this means that most of the pressure to get vaccinated is over? I'm holding out, but would really like it if the pressure could go away.

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Date: 2022-02-23 03:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I live in Ontario, and it's not waning here yet, but I think a lot of pressure will go away come March 1 when our local vaccine mandates start going away.

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Date: 2022-02-23 06:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vitranc
A report from Austria.
- Since the 22. January when the foxxing law got pushed trough parlament and the news coverage was enormous it went on for about a week, but then quieted down, and the signing in of the law by the president was very quiet.
- I did not even notice it at the time, but the first week of February was already beginning to be quieter. You really had to go digging to find something about implementation or an appeal to the constitutional court.
- Second week of February there was some talk about the state governors expressing concerns about implementing the fox inaction law in practice. And there was an expert meeting with the prime minister concerning if the fox inaction mandate is even necessary. I the result was a lacklustre “meh”.
- this week there is almost no coverage. It is old news. Mind you most restrictions are officially still in place, but there is not even a mention of anything.

It really looks like the hyped foxxing mandate was the high water mark for the push.

On a more individual scale. I have had a lot of people state in private that they regret taking the shot. One can hear the realisation there is something wrong in their voices.

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Date: 2022-02-24 03:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, according to the traditional lore, demons can scare you, but not harm you. Aside from certain groups, for the most part, the vaccine intake has been voluntary, and it's amazing how much of the really intense things people were saying would happen never did. So I wonder if this is another piece of evidence for the demon hypothesis...

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Date: 2022-02-23 12:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
In Japan, they are pushing the booster as the only way to be safe with omicron. They are beginning to vaccinate the 5-11 year olds for the first time this week, saying it's for granny's safety. Officially, about 80% of the adult population is vaxxed I think, about 90% of the elderly.
They are getting some push back on the boosters. Many want to see how things turn out before taking one. About 50% of respondents said they were concerned about side effects. Not many had questions about efficacy. The number of cases declined notably after the summer vaccination campaign was completed, so the vaxxes looked effective, though vaccination coincided with what was then the highest spike in cases to date. Quite a large number experienced severe immediate side-effects, however. There is a certain degree of shaming involved, but it has not been as severe as in the Eruo-Anglophone world.

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Date: 2022-02-23 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, another factor is that if they release the pressures and allow life to go back to normal, all the people cowering in fear will have a much harder time: how do you avoid maskless people if no one bothers with them anymore? How do you avoid the unvaxxed if no one bothers with it anymore? How do you avoid crowds if people stop caring about it?

All in all, I think removing the restrictions would be a good way to dramatically increase the misery and dread from the true believers...

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Date: 2022-02-24 12:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is a good point. All those people who were exhilarated by the whole thing are going to have to go back to normal life again. No more saving humanity. No more exterminating viruses. Just back to everyday life which will feel completely without meaning and importance. This will be especially hard for the office fauna if they are made to start commuting to work again after sitting on the couch for two years.

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Date: 2022-02-23 06:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lp9
I use a not-very-private internet browser on my work computer. Each time I open a new tab it provides me with a screen full of the latest mainstream media stories. Every day there are numerous stories relating to someone dying suddenly. This morning it included: singer of "Whiter Shade of Pale," a 31-year old "America's Got Talent" singer, philanthropist Neil Balnaves, a New Orleans student, the Amazing Johnathan stand-up comedian, and 27-year old Miss Alabama. And that's just today.

Another highlight from today's tab is the following article: "'My Doctor Gaslighted Me Into Believing I Was Fine. In Reality, I Had A Rare Autoimmune Disorder'"

From a non-mainstream media perspective, you can track many of the "died suddenly" stories here: https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/in-memory-of-all-those-who-died-suddenly?utm_source=url

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Date: 2022-02-23 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Inn a related vein (ha), I don't usually watch TV, but I was over someone's house when they had the TV on.

Saw a public-service commercial about recognizing the signs of deep vein thrombosis and "not waiting" to get to the hospital as quickly as possible should one experience those signs.

First pubic-heath notice about recognizing deep vein thrombosis that I've ever seen in my lifetime.

I've heard that certain novel medical treatments are linked to deep vein thrombosis.

But I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

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Date: 2022-02-23 04:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
“Watch ye therefore, because you know not the day nor the hour.” (Matthew 25: 13)

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Date: 2022-02-23 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] the_copper_dragon
Im not sure that the influence actually is demonic, it may appear to be demonic or something else, however the true nature of these beings is a mystery considering they don't make appearances often and when they do it's strictly to cause pandemonium and torture the "marked" for a short while, 5 months or so, and leaving shortly before the main event kicks off. They may come from the depths at the command of an extremely powerful Angel. There's no indication that they're Evil, however by no means do they bode well. We probably can call them energy vampires of some kind, but not too sure. Of course I'm refering to Revelation chapter 9 (KJV) for further reading if anyone is interested.

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Date: 2022-02-23 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So this brings up a question: Rod Dreher, who is someone who knows that demons exist, takes great pains to avoid them, and is deep into Eastern Orthodoxy, and daily participates in all of the prayers, rites and rituals of that religion, and, thus, I would assume, gains a degree of protection from demons from this practice. He also took the vaccine. What exactly would end up happening to him, or people in his situation?

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Date: 2022-02-24 01:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
Totally apart from the religious aspects of this question, IIRC Rod has a chronic Epstein-Barr thing going on... and I have seen in other sources that prior EBV infection seems to have some pretty gnarly interactions with the vaccines. That's cause for concern out in the mostly-material world.

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Date: 2022-02-23 01:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My local news website has started allowing comments questioning the safety of the vaccines. They are still censoring the more robust skepticism but previously any mention of less than 100% safe and effective would have result in having your account permanently banned.

The tendrils of the creeping terror have begun to push aside the manhole cover of willful ignorance.

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Date: 2022-02-23 07:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
HNL, in the only state that still hasn't announced an end to the mask mandate.

Our stats:
86% one dose, 77% two, 37% boosted
I doubt those numbers are accurate, but still quite concerning.

Here's the standard boilerplate covidian article and surprisingly permitted off-narrative comments from Omidyar's local nonprofit news site. They usually do a great job of exposing local corruption that our corporate-owned legacy media doesn't want to touch, but it's still mostly a pro-PMC biased outfit that regularly runs globalist propaganda.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2022/02/denby-fawcett-is-hawaii-pau-with-the-pandemic-scientists-say-not-so-fast/#comments

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Date: 2022-02-23 05:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I had an odd dream with demons/possessed people in it last night. The part I remember is accidentally spilling lots of salt in a house, and then figuring it wouldn't hurt to spread some more about to annoy the demon possessed a bit (I've no idea where I got that idea, must be too many horror movies :)). It did seem to tick them off, but not really bother them all that much. The dream ended when one of the possessed started grappling with me as I ineffectually poured salt on him. That's when I figured I was going to have to start to fight him off, so I tensed up to start wrestling and that's when I woke up.

These posts about demons must be working their way through my subconscious.

Egregors

Date: 2022-02-25 01:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If these are also collective egregors it would muddy the water...Celadon

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Date: 2022-02-25 01:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was reading about Indian witchery among Caddoes and a medicine man said white men werent as vulnerable...too much salt and pepper in their diet. If there is black magic involved although of a different kind this could be a possible twist. Arent there a lot of old people whose sodium gets low? Just a thought...Celadon

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Date: 2022-03-01 06:57 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Can someone provide the link to, or the copy-paste of, the original writing that is referenced here? I'm very very curious what JMG wrote concerning demons and vaccines and I've been unable to find it.

Thanks in advance!

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Date: 2022-02-22 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It does seem that by evoking the Emergencies Act prime minister Turducken *wants* a civil war.

The recent Joe Rogan podcast with Maajid Nawaz explains a lot.

There should be an upcoming day of solidarity, "Hug an unvaxxed person" day. Talk to them.

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Date: 2022-02-23 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
I love "Turducken", that's a keeper, right there.

Apparently Trudeau requires a day of solidarity with his past self.

"On February 17, 2017 — five years to the day before he stood in the House of Commons and opened debate on his government's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addressed the St. Matthew's Day Banquet, an elegant, centuries-old event held annually in Hamburg, Germany.

Weeks earlier, Donald Trump had become president of the United States. Shortly before that, the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. Trudeau suddenly found himself portrayed as a torch-bearer for liberal democracy and progressive government. Five months after his speech in Hamburg, he appeared on a Rolling Stone cover which asked whether he was "the free world's best hope."
...
Trudeau told the business and political figures in his audience that he wanted to "challenge" them, "to highlight that the challenges we're facing require real action and real leadership."

Trudeau's second suggestion was simpler in theory but maybe harder to follow in practice. Political leaders, he said, need to listen.
...
Trudeau could argue that some of his comments have been made to seem worse than they were. His suggestion to one interviewer that some of those who oppose COVID-19 vaccination were "misogynistic and racist" has since been framed as an attack on all the unvaccinated.

But the lesson of Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" moment in 2016 is that leaders (particularly progressive ones) have to choose their words carefully to avoid creating a rallying cry for opportunistic populists.
...
In Trudeau's case — however much he might have wanted to "listen" — he ended up standing in opposition to some of his fellow citizens. That's harder than standing up to Donald Trump or the illiberal ideas that leaders like Trump promote.

It does not follow that Trudeau is to blame for the protests. But the convoy demonstrated the need for people in public life to find the line between compassion and capitulation — to acknowledge the concerns of angry, uneasy voters while still rejecting the influencers and ideas that cannot in good conscience be humoured."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/convoy-vaccine-pandemic-trudeau-populism-1.6360519

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Date: 2022-02-24 01:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Trudeau's comment, on Quebec TV, with the fawning young interviewer who later asked child actors if vaccination should be mandatory, that the unvaccinated 'take up space' was his most chilling to me seeing as how closely it mimicked a former European dictator's wording.
From: (Anonymous)
Here is the updated .epub (open ebook format) of the hypothesis and all open threads and comments
https://mega.nz/file/oAgmgBBQ#6rE2VreJbf2Og1e4HFThoGj6nTKHCN2G5MS3ctzSHmg

A single .html(archived as zip) file that has all the posts and comments, you can just decompress it and open it in your browser and you can search pretty fast in it
https://mega.nz/file/8AhS0JaL#j1fU-WzH9utwiwoUha8h2rlFvMkx8UIXDsi2tsn8Q_o




Now bonus the situation with the gets in the previous open post

First there are only gets of number 7, which is very interesting if not for the fact that there also three 4 digit gets of 7 in a post, it never happen, there was only one in all the threads since the begining:

three 4 digits gets:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26327777#cmt26327777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26487777#cmt26487777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26647777#cmt26647777

nine 3 digits gets
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26359777#cmt26359777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26391777#cmt26391777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26423777#cmt26423777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26455777#cmt26455777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26519777#cmt26519777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26551777#cmt26551777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26583777#cmt26583777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26615777#cmt26615777
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26743777#cmt26743777

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/169953.html?thread=26551777#cmt26551777
is about 777 comments

given that the post is about gods wrath could it be that the god in question is the god of 7: Saturn?

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Date: 2022-02-22 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
JMG - do you have any thoughts on the Ukraine developments of the past 24 hours? Do you think there is a good chance that things go sideways? I can't help but recall "Twilight's Last Gleaming." Interesting that it came out the same year as the Ukraine coup.

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Date: 2022-02-23 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lincoln_lynx
I'm obviously not JMG but IMO fears of war are overblown. (For now.) Russia doesn't want war and neither does Europe. There's likely a great deal of backdoor negotiation between the two which stalled, resulting in yesterday's events, another round of negotiations will follow, and Putin will keep upping the stakes until Europe caves.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 03:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This seems like a very dangerous situation: if the US is trying to provoke Russia, it could end up escalating very quickly...

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Date: 2022-02-23 09:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In the meantime, another word is being twisted out of shape.

I recall voices coming from the US to the effect that there will be troops sent to Ukraine if Russia invades. Well, Russia did exactly that. The US president said so, and since the US do not recognise the breakaway republics, from their perspective there actually are/will soon be Russian troops on sovereign Ukrainian soil. But the official announcements still talk of what additional sanctions to impose "if Russia continues to invade".

Perhaps it's not a proper invasion yet because it's, I don't know, mostly peaceful or something... ;)

Migrant Worker

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Date: 2022-02-23 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I disagree with this as well. The problem with selling gas to China is that Beijing will dictate prices, and there's nothing Putin can do about that. He has no leverage over China, and he will be lucky just not to lose money. And China won't let Russia sell gas to India, or at least will make it extremely difficult, China has their own territorial disputes with India. No, he can't afford to lose Europe, at least for the time being. There are a lot of things attached to doing business with China, and there are no legal measures Russia can take against Beijing. Maybe Putin himself doesn't have to worry about sanctions, but Russian people do. They already had issues opening bank accounts in China post-2014, and Chinese companies don't want to lose access to Northern American and Western Europe markets. And the Russian government advised its people to eat bark, so they won't be hungry. In Chinese, Russia is often called 饿国 (lit. "hungry country", play on words 俄国 "Russian Country" 饿 and 俄 are pronounced the same, but have different tones) and Russians are called 老毛子 (literally hirsute people). Chinese would rather lose trade with Russia than with the West.
I'm curious, why do you use "the Ukraine"? Since Ukraine is an independent country, it just seems strange to me.
P.S. I didn't expect the US embassy in Kiev to troll Russians, but troll them they did.
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKyiv/status/1496115593149358081?cxt=HHwWgoC5iZHNosMpAAAA

Kyivan - 基辅罗斯人

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Date: 2022-02-23 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
"The Ukraine" was the standard usage in English up until about the middle of the 20th century. Old habits die hard. "The" implies that it was a region of a country, not a country in its own right. And that, of course, has been the common Russian attitude toward Ukraine from the days of the Tsars down to now.

It strikes me as very significant that Putin spoke of Malorussians ("Little Russians") at one point, instead of Ukrainians.
Edited Date: 2022-02-23 04:41 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2022-02-23 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you. The thought that it might just the force of the habit escaped me.
Kyivan 一 基辅罗斯人

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Date: 2022-02-24 07:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Russia's actions only make sense if they figure they can take the US easily, in which case Twilight's Last Gleaming here we come....

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Date: 2022-02-25 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] team10tim
I'm not going to pretend that I understand what Putin is planning, but the what part doesn't require him to think that Russia can beet the US easily.

Russia told the west that further eastward expansion of NATO or military bases and treaties with Ukraine was a Moscow redline. And the US basically said "no it isn't, you don't get to have redlines"

Having redlines means that you are prepared to act if they get crossed. Sometimes there are even suicidal redlines where a country has declared this hill is worth dying on. The west crossed Russia's redline and this is what follows.

I'm sure Putin has a plan. He's a very capable head of state so I'm sure he has thought it through, but war is always a gamble.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I still sense Putin is playing the long game, as JMG suggested earlier...even including the current aggression. Granted, it's a dangerous and very bold move but I won't be surprised if Russia prevails in the end. Putin has outplayed the west at almost every turn for two decades as the caliber of leadership in the US and its allies has deteriorated. Still, Uncle Scam doesn't like having his color revolutions cancelled. Let's hope the JBTeam sticks with sound and fury and all that it signifies. The Pandemic? It's over, haven't you heard?
Jim W

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Date: 2022-02-25 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Or, if they're looking for a distraction from domestic problems. Given half of their population is vaccinated, if there is a major problem with them, well, Russia isn't going to come out unscathed by any stretch, and so Russia may be trying the old tactic of using war to distract from domestic problems...

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Date: 2022-02-27 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lukedodson
Putin is very tight with the WEF and associated actors, so the outcome of this could see a shift on the part of the Davos crowd away from the USA and towards Russia and China. Makes perfect sense - these guys are all into hedging their bets in all kinds of ways, so sitting idly by while the superpowers play geopolitical chess games would be a reasonable strategy, from their perspective.

Interesting perspective here: https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/02/investigative-reports/technocracy-the-operating-system-for-the-new-international-rules-based-order-1/

"In terms of G3P partnerships, Russia’s is perhaps one of the closest to the WEF. The WEF’s annual Cyber-Polygon global cybersecurity training exercise is orchestrated by Bi.Zone, a subsidiary of Sberbank.

Bi.Zone is responsible for designing and running the Cyber Polygon scenarios and exercises. Sberbank is a majority state owned Russian bank and is among the founding members of the WEF Centre For Cybersecurity (CCS)."

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Date: 2022-02-23 01:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I wouldn't worry. Russia has already made an earth-shaking move, and it appears they will put an awful lot of pressure on Ukraine to shape up, but Putin knows about the importance of face-saving in diplomacy. I expect lots and lots of mighty bluster out of the US and UK in particular, with Russia shrugging and accepting whatever designation the West wants to lay on it, while calmly dealing with a rather intransigent neighbor in similar ways to others in the past (Chechnya, Georgia). One interesting thing The Saker noted today is that Putin apparently warned Macron and Scholtz of his plans, but he snubbed Biden. That does gotta hurt. https://thesaker.is/the-crusaders-are-very-very-angry-who-cares/
Dmitry Orlov has an analysis on it up too: https://thesaker.is/the-day-russias-patience-ran-out/

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 04:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you JMG, I agree completely.

A war with Russia would be the best thing for "Biden". Cover up the economic collapse, start a new round of printing and throw the colonies (EU) under the bus thus allowing US to waste oil for a while longer.
Not to mention the personal benefits/coverup that you mentioned.

And yet... Do you think the warmongering faction is insane enough to try some false flag and even implicate US militarily? I am thinking here of your book "Twilight's Last Gleaming".

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 06:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I sincerely hope that the people in the beltway are as smart as you think...

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Date: 2022-02-23 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] booklover1973
There is another factor to the whole mess: What if the United States don't really want war with Russia, but the Ukraine wants war at every cost? The hollering in the mainstream media today about Ukraine and Russia is something to behold. So it is still possible that this thing will in one way or another blow in the West's vcollective face. A short notice in some newspaper noted that the oil price has reached 100$ per barrrel.

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Date: 2022-02-23 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] booklover1973
On the other hand, even if there is military action between Russia and the Ukraine of any sort, the West is probably already powerless to do anything than flailing around, huffing and puffing.

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Date: 2022-02-23 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
Thanks for your balanced assessment JMG.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Three cities are under fire from artillery and Grad multiple rocket launchers, and it seems that our government is going to implement the state of emergency. Well, I'm hearing the sound of warplanes almost constantly, and it does sound scary.
I want to mention why this war would be insane. My father's sister is married to a Russian. Their son is in Russian Army and it's pretty common occurrence.
It's really forunate that I followed your advice and my pantry is full and I'm going to share some of it today. Oh and one other thing, since I worked with Chinese they told me that they were told to stock on food and fresh water but that there's no need to evacuate them. (大使馆让我们囤积食品和饮用水 was what they send me). But all my bosses have left Kyiv a month ago.
Kyivan - 基辅罗斯人

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Date: 2022-02-24 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Data point: I live near a USAF base in the continental US, and I have been hearing jets passing overhead frequently for the last 24 hours. Air traffic has noticeably increased.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen
Similar experience here yesterday on the central coast of California near San Luis Obispo. However, so far this AM it’s quiet.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I live near a base in Canada, and same thing here....

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 05:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
Wishing you all the best of luck to stay out of harm's way, Kyivan.

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Date: 2022-02-24 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you for kind words. My Chinese friends told me that there will be an air attarck tomorrow morning, I don't know if that's true but there were explosions in Kyiv today.
Kyvan - 基辅罗斯人。

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 12:07 pm (UTC)
sinners4diseasecontrol: Photo by husband atop Mt. Shirouma at dawn (Default)
From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I second those wishes, and hope the fighting will be over soon and the civilian population spared.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Time to re-take Grenada!!!!!!

Some photos of medical students kissing the ground (with masks) when returning
to U.S. soil
will lift spirits everywhere!!!!!

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
With all due respect, I strongly disagree with most of this. Russians have already invaded Ukraine eight years ago. There was no resistance back then because we had no army and, contrary to a popular belief, quite a few Tatars (Crimean ethnic minority) and Crimean were tortured to death for having “unacceptable views.” And it’s not about Ukraine only. Russian troops are in Belarus now for “military exercises” but everyone here knows that they are there because Lukashenko doesn’t want to toe the Putin’s party line and I believe he will be replaced with someone who’s obedient to the Kremlin. What about Kazakhstan? If we go back there are Georgia, Dagestan, Chechnya. Did you know that Russian soldiers were burying Chechen Muslims in pig skin? You can find it in Russian books and novels. Putin had expressed his dreams of restoring the Russian Empire long ago, and it has nothing to do with Brandon. Interesting enough, there are Russians who believe that it’s all Americans fault and that they want “brother nations” to fight each other. There are Russians who believe that Putin is a puppet of French government. There are also Russians who believe hate Putin with all their heart.
As for Hunter’s records, I believe they were destroyed long ago, I would say on the day Biden blackmailed Poroshenko. And it that is not the case he could just blackmail our new administration, either they destroy records of Hunter or there would be no military aid from the US. But when it comes to his disastrous policies and vaccines, well he might use current situation to distract attention from it, although I don’t think it would change Putin’s plans of invading Ukraine and other countries.
Kyivan - 基辅罗斯人

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-25 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for your perspective and may you and your loved ones be safe Kyivan! Your last sentence got my attention: what other countries do you think Putin wants to invade, given the chance?

Donald Trump stated that the Afghanistan debacle gave Putin the idea that he could invade Ukraine and get away with it. I wouldn't be surprized if that is true as Putin and the Don share the same mentality imo. What do you think explains the timing of the invasion?

Boccaccio

the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-22 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
the convoy is leaving tomorrow, 2/23, and if they stay on schedule will arrive in dc on 3/5. the route can be found on their website: https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/

- p coyle

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-22 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
May they have success! I was among GiveSendGo's US contributors, and so far have not been harassed. Lacking social media accounts probably helps!

This time around, I paid cash for a money order at the local grocery store, filled out the payee name and nothing else, and mailed it in an envelope with no return address, from the post office.

It's appalling that I even need to think this way. But there you have it.

Normally I'd type my name, but this time I'm among the Anonymous.

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 12:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
hope you remembered to wipe your fingerprints off! ;-)

- p coyle

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the tip! I will next time. 😂

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 01:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I might feign a limp, wear a Guy Fawkes mask and lifts in my shoes, and surreptitiously pass an envelope with a couple of twenties to a trucker at a truck stop. Perhaps I'm over-reacting, but personally identifying details (from some money I donated to the Canadians on GiveSendGo) were stolen and publicized on the dark web. No consequences yet, but, just like it was supposed to do, it makes me nervous, surrounded by true believers as I am. Remember this story folks, and oppose the idea of a central bank digital currency with everything you've got. It's being floated more and more, and it fits hand in glove with the infrastructure required for a vaccine passport system.

My nervousness must mean I should double the amount I give to the trucker in the diner!

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, same here. I've had the same credit card for just shy of 33 years, but Citibank had to freeze and then cancel the card when a suspicious charge I had in fact not made appeared. That this happened after a clearly demon-possessed cyber-terrorist hacked the GiveSendGo trucker account to which I donated was clearly not a coincidence.

https://twitter.com/MustangGirl3/status/1494096829721587723

--Mr. Nobody

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
Definitely suspicious.

"In an irony as big as the hypocrisy of today’s elitist rulers, Canadian anarchist Aubrey Cottle claimed responsibility for the hacking of the crowdfunding site GiveSendGo’s Freedom Convoy donor list, citing talking points that seemed to be lifted directly from the ruling elites’ PR advisors in Washington DC or Ottawa.

In a ‘manifesto’ that sounded like it was taken in dictation directly from the feds, Cottle explained that he hacked the Freedom Convoy’s crowdfund site to ‘stop an insurrection,’ prevent ‘foreign political influence’ and to ‘stop truckers from terrorizing cities,” reported American Greatness.

It’s a big-turn around for the anti-establishment Cottle, a one-time founder of the hacking group Anonymous.
...
Still, the mainstream media seems remarkably protective of Cottle, with no outlets reporting that he was the man behind the GiveSendGo hacking and doxing of Freedom Convoy contributors– which is still a crime under federal law whether it happens to Donald Trump or freedom-loving Americans.
...
No one is holding their breath that Cottle will face prosecution. It’s more likely the establishment will give him a medal."

https://headlineusa.com/givesendgo-freedom-convoy-hacker-reveals-identity-manifesto-in-tiktok-video/

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 02:28 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I’m astounded you can still get a money order in this way. I’ll try my local grocery when I can. If there are any other venues that offer them, I’d be glad for someone to suggest them.

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 04:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Walmart has the most accessible money services I've seen without use of a traditional bank account.

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 04:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Banks and credit unions offer them last I checked. I think pawn shops sell them too.

--Lunar Apprentice

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 05:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have not looked into the details, but a lot of the Mexicano Tiendas (shop/grocery catering to Latin Americans) often do money orders for remittances back home. I might have to give one of the local ones myself.

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The US Postal Service also sells money orders.

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not sure about Canada, but in the US you can get an inexpensive Money Order at any Post Office, no ID or registration required for just $1.45

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 02:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Doh! Here I've been wondering how I could anonymously donate . . . Thank you!

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 01:19 pm (UTC)
sinners4diseasecontrol: Photo by husband atop Mt. Shirouma at dawn (Default)
From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Thank you for the tips!

Re: the people's convoy

Date: 2022-02-23 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] the_copper_dragon
Dude the link doesnt work... I know they're passing through my town and I'd like to go see them if possible

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The silence of the liberal class in Europe is deafening with regards to Canada.
Are they silent because they are ashamed, or are they silent because they wish to follow Trudeaus ”example”? I suspect they are eager to see if they could also freeze peoples bank accounts to stop protests without triggering a bank run. Rumor has it, that Europes banks are in horrible, horrible shape though. A Bank run here would be 2015 debt crisis all over again. ”Once more, with feeling!” And then, curtains.

John Rubino often said that when you mess up the finances of a country, you also mess up politics along with it. Crazy ammounts of debt results in crazy governments. One follows the other. I wonder how much the rona reactions by our governments and people already reflect that? But then there is Japan and it seems they haven't gone nuts as far as I can tell.

Finland is having a new media fueled panic cycle over Russia. We are allowed to panic over one thing at a time, it seems. So, apparently now we should now fear Russia again, instead of rona. It's like the bear in the woods growled a bit and reminded us that she exists. Sorry! We forgot. We were busy being sick, you see. Time to panic! I think they went and bought some F35 fighter jets. Aren't those things basically boondoggles of the highest order? (Much like those mrna vixens?) I am reminded of Dimitry Orlovs essay were he engouraged all kinds of boondoggles as a way to make a collapse more bearable. It was a very funny essay.

There was a headline in the media that claimed that people who had died of rona had also developed alzheimers. Im too lazy to take that bait.

It is my birthday today. 20.02.2022. Or 02.22.2022 as it is marked in some countries. I only mention it because the date is so odd. When I was a kid (many moons ago) playing a roleplaying game cyberpunk, this date seemed so special (Because the game was set in 2020's). I often wondered if the future would indeed be somekind of technological dystopia. Future is less exciting when you get there I suppose, because now we get to live through it. No flying cars though. No matter, I couldn't afford one even if it existed!

-Juhani

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Happy birthday! I hope it's a pleasant one.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 12:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you. :)

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Happy birthday!

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 12:25 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Cheers!

-Juhani

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 02:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Happy Birthday!

The Liberals of Europe are both (temporarily) ashamed and (secretly) jealous because Justin got permission to do it first. They wanted to be the chosen ones to sit on Uncle Klaus's knee and be told what good little boys and girls they are for trucking up their country.

But don't fret for them - they'll soon get their chance.

Liam in Toronto

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 12:30 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Heheh, Thanks Liam.

I think you are right. It's so crazy though, isn't it? This whole thing with Uncle Klaus and his minions.. It really is something straight out of a Bond movie. We just need a Sean Connery to enter the scene now.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 06:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Empire is like a centrifugal wealth pump, and the quickening and increase in sucking is a sign that the pump might soon explode trowing wealth and leaving wealth randomly, see Soviet Union. Although Soviet Union didn't depend as much on external wealth and didn't suck that much debit

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's very simple. They (European liberals) are cheering Trudeau and the Canadians because they don't like the truckers and the people they represent and are very happy that the Canadian deplorables are getting a "kicking" to use the British term.

It's pure tribalism - the other side is getting its "just desserts" and they like it.

And they cannot bring themselves to imagine that once the precedent is set, it will undoubtedly be used against them...like literally cannot process it. I've tried having that argument and they just won't acknowledge the point. Robotic.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 12:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Right! That's what I don't get at all. How come they don't see that this power can be used against them just as easily?

Tribalism? Yeah, I guess that really does explain a lot.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Once again, a sincere thank you JMG for hosting this forum.

I expect that you will be inundated with Canadian posts. Something to do with our tossing democracy & the rule of law into the toilet.

Its ugly.

The purported reason for enacting the Emergencies Act (martial law for you on the southern side of the border) was the trucks on the bridge & street. The trucks on the bridge were gone before Mr. Fancy Socks invoked the Emergencies Act. The trucks on the street were gone before Parliament (Liberals & NDP) validated the enactment.

The thrust seems to be financial surveillance, everything over $25. That's about $20 US dollars. Bank accounts are frozen, assets seized, insurance & licences cancelled. There is no due process.

The RCMP simply contact the relevant party, and they act. Government & corporations acting in concert. This, according to Benito Mussolini is fascism. I think he should know, its his ideological creation.

Most of the people charged were charged with what most people consider petty crimes, mischief & parking violations. Yup. Seizing $100k+ rigs for parking violations.

Oh, they've already stated it will last at least 2 - 3 months. Longest 2 weeks (to flatten the curve) in my life. I suspect that it will last a lot longer as they deal with the economic storm looks ready to break us straight into 1932. Stagflation? Hyperinflation? Hyper-stagflation?

It gets better. Thus is the renamed War Measures Act. If it functions the same way, it can be used to forgo one election cycle. Nine plus years.

Stay tuned.

I wonder if I can emigrate to the US, The Alaska panhandle, perhaps?

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 12:44 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
They actually tried to introduce legislation in Aus a few years back banning cash transactions over 10,000, which was thankfully defeated in parliament. Europe has a passed a lot of laws to the same effect.

Funnily enough covid came along a year later and cash is now dirty and infected, although it is still legal to use as much of it as you want here in aus. From all the advertising lauding cashless payment and what is happened in Canada it seems to me all the western currencies will be inflated to death in the coming years, and a digital currency will be touted as our saviour.

Keep your eyes peeled...

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 01:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Inflation will be so much easier with a digital currency. No cartloads of bank notes to carry around, you know. And if things get really out of hand they can just lop a few zeroes off the end whenever it's needed.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 03:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Correction to my post. Reading some beagle legal stuff. The Emergencies Act made a few substantive changes from the War Measures Act. It appears there is no longer provision for cancelling an election. So 4+ years, not 9.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
They've also already unfrozen (started Monday) most of the ~200 bank accounts that were frozen. The government didn't freeze anyone's accounts that weren't part of the convoy leadership or a large donor (e.g. businesses/people with multiple accounts making large donations).

Most bank accounts frozen under the Emergencies Act are being released, committee hears

Though they say banks could have taken the initiative on their to freeze smaller accounts, they claim to have no source on that.

It looks like some of the accounts that won't be unfrozen by the Feds were under Provincial orders in order to recover damages from organizers and a corporation set up on Jan. 30 (one can really only describe as a shell corporation, given the circumstances...):

"The province of Ontario won an order on Feb. 10 that froze the distribution of funds raised through the American online funding platform, GiveSendGo. And on Feb. 17 a group of Ottawa citizens, businesses, and employees who are suing key organizers of the so-called Freedom Convoy 2022 won a sweeping order to preserve their ability to recover damages.
...
The class action lawsuit has not yet been certified by a court, but it targets the accounts of individuals, specifically Patrick King, Tamara Lich, Christopher Garrah, Nicholas St. Louis and Benjamin Dichter — all key players in the protests — as well as the corporation “Freedom Convoy 2022 Human Rights and Freedoms"
...
In reply to a Conservative MP’s question about whether donations as small as $20 would have been affected, the finance official said it would be “rare” but not impossible that small donations could be covered. However Jacques had no information on specifics, saying it was information shared strictly between the RCMP and the banks, not the government.

The finance official said she was unaware of a leak of hacked donor data from the crowdfunding platform GiveSendGo and doubted financial institutions would take action against an individual solely on that kind of information, without consulting the RCMP or their own legal teams.”

https://www.thestar.com/amp/politics/federal/2022/02/22/freeze-orders-on-protesters-bank-accounts-have-been-halted-ottawa-says.html

The Governor General also has responded to the letters and petititions she got:

"Rideau Hall issued what it called the "important message" Tuesday evening on Twitter.

"The Office of the Secretary of the Governor General is aware that misinformation encouraging citizens to contact the Governor General or our office to register votes of no confidence is circulating on social media," the statement reads.

"This information is not correct. No such registry or process exists."
...
A no confidence vote by a majority of MPs in the House of Commons can lead to the dissolution of the federal government, but no equivalent mechanism exists for ordinary citizens."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/governor-general-no-confidence-1.6360883

The Emergencies Act still has to go through the Senate, which notably does NOT have the power to dissolve government:

"The act must also pass through the Senate, which plans to hold extra-long sittings to debate it. If it fails to approve the act, it would be immediately revoked.

If approved, however, a special joint committee of both the House of Commons and the Senate would be established to review the government's actions under the act on an ongoing basis."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mps-senators-on-emergencies-act-committee-will-take-secrecy-oath-gov-t-senate-rep-1.5791272

National Defense Resources Preparedness act

Date: 2022-02-23 06:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Don't forget Obama signed the National Defense Resources Preparedness act back in 2012, which would create a similar peacetime martial law for undefined emergencies. This includes seizing control of:

* “All commodities and products that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals”

* “All forms of energy”

* “All forms of civil transportation”

* “All usable water from all sources”

* “Health resources -- drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment”

* Forced labor ( or “induction” as the executive order delicately refers to military conscription)

Moreover, federal officials would “issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources.”

Each government bureaucracy “shall act as necessary and appropriate.”

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-24 12:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
And an update:

Emergency over.

Just like that.

As was reported elsewhere, the banks had already stopped freezing accounts. Trawling through various threads it looks like the banks, two of which have major (for Canadians) international operations, were taking a hit. I suspect their customers didn't/don't trust them.

It seems they tried to implement financial surveillance to hard, to fast.

Didn't help that Bitcoin quite publicly told the Government to pound sand, freezing wallets technically wasn't possible.

Side effects

Date: 2022-02-22 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"How rare are vaccine side effects? Not very rare at all."
"The CDC and Wall St. Journal both say serious side effects from the COVID vaccines are extremely rare. They are lying. But now we have unassailable proof from the Israeli government!"

by Steve Kirsch
Feb 21, 2022


EXCERPT:

"The CDC and Wall St. Journal are both lying to you. Big time.
The truth is the vaccines are an unmitigated disaster. The most dangerous vaccines in human history. They should be immediately halted.
But the mainstream media is completely silent and totally ignored this study because it goes against the narrative.
Here’s the proof… right from the Israeli Ministry of Health
The latest proof of that comes from the Israeli Ministry of Health who did something that no government agency has ever done before: did a proactive survey of people who got the booster (instead of using a passive surveillance system like everyone else does). This is the only way to get true rate data since you know the denominator."


REAL THE FULL POST:

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-rare-are-vaccine-side-effects?utm_source=url



Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 12:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
edward dowd (ex-blackrock big wig and hedge fund guru) says that big insurance is getting ready to take on big pharma, because of the increased payouts they are having to make due to what one insurance company says is a 40% increase in working age deaths in the past year.

if the insurance companies can prove fraud in the safety trials, it would invalidate the immunity from liability that is currently in effect for the jab-makers. that would most likely bankrupt all of them.

apparently wall st. is getting miffed, and they are one of the few players that has the dosh to fight big pharma in the courts. i, for one, cannot wait for the discovery phase of any forthcoming lawsuit.

- p coyle

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 01:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Go Insurance Companies!!!!!!Go!!!!

(I'm picturing Insurance Company cheerleaders lol)

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 03:57 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, the insurance companies have every incentive to do so: in most countries, since they are all under EUAs, any deaths likely caused by the vaccines is one which the insurance companies do not need to cover. In many, even if it gets full authorization later, if it was under an EUA when the person took it, it's the same.

So insurance companies will have every incentive to try to link every death they can to the vaccine, which could get quite colourful....

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 06:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I shouldn't be laughing....

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 05:17 am (UTC)
kimberlysteele: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kimberlysteele
Thank you for this -- I had a good laugh! My first jobs out of college were temp jobs, and they were often in insurance companies doing reception work. Those formative experiences are the reason I am an indie music teacher who has been willing to bear the stints of poverty that go along with being an indie music teacher. My observations:

1. Insurance companies are as common as head lice and far less beneficial to their hosts.

2. The scene in any given insurance office is the modern equivalent of a harem. One or two guys float at the top as "sultans" and an army of scheming, miserable women do actual work along with a few scheming, miserable eunuchs.

3. I would much rather be homeless than ever work in such a situation again if those were the choices presented to me.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The literary verve and colour here this week is off the hook... dogs and cobras, sultans and harems... all very effective metaphors that seem, well, just so accurate! Thank you Kimberly Steele and JMG.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I would kind of love to see Big pHarma and Big Insurance conveniently take each other out, for the good of all.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well if there was any group or organization in the u.s. with a better team of paid lawyers who can find loopholes, rabbitholes, or wormholes in any paperwork or agreement made to not cover something it is the insurance companies.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
On the subject of insurance companies being the unlikely truth revealers ... This could potentially blow a few things open courtesy of info. from Germany.

The Bad Cat cautiously tells more here: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/german-vaccine-side-effects-data?utm_source=url

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 10:49 pm (UTC)
methylethyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I've read about four posts on this subject today, and as far as I can tell, the info released from the insurance companies is only for the *first half* of 2021, and only covers things doctors labeled as vaccine related.

The mind boggles at the implications. It means that the 244k+ injuries they have in their system are likely the tip of the iceberg. If medical reporting in Germany is anything at all like medical reporting here, it is possible that *most* serious adverse events were *not* reported as related to the shots. And, I don't know about Germany, but in most places the first half of the year was a rush to get old people and medical employees vaccinated. It got rolled out to the younger population May-July-ish, while the first cohort was getting second shots, and by the end of the year, maybe boosters?

I am *on tenterhooks* waiting for the Q3 and Q4 numbers to come out. I don't see any way they are *better* than the first half of the year, and strongly suspect they are much worse.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This, more than anything, gives me hope that the fraud and lies surrounding the mrna "vaccines" will actually see the light of day, for all to behold.

It's also a potent reminder that the giants duke it out between one another from time to time, shaking things up, and making collusion on a global scale basically impossible.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 10:51 pm (UTC)
methylethyl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I'm nervous that, like wall street some years ago, the insurance companies will be bought off, too-big-to-fail style, to keep them quiet. We'll see.

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-24 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Today on the front page of the Wall Street Journal:
"Rise in Non-Covid-19 Deaths Pares Life Insurers' Earnings"

According to the article, death policy claims in the third quarter of 2021 were 37.7% higher than baseline. About half of those deaths were covid-related; the other half were mostly cardiovascular and neurological, according to the article. The insurance executives believe that it's primarily due to 'delayed medical care' due to the pandemic.

But that's...a lot. Even if you subtract the covid deaths, you've got 18.7% non-covid. In a normal year, a 6% increase over baseline would be considered high. 18% is three times that.

The CEO of OneAmerica Financial Partners caims that he expects the death toll will remain elevated for some time due to survivors who "later die from the toll Covid has taken on their bodies."

-Ms. Krieger

Re: Side effects

Date: 2022-02-23 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
I'm going to pretend I didn't see the rest of the insurance comments.

Ahem. Anyway. My dad was a commercial insurance underwriter for 45 years, started right out of highschool because his dad owned a company, back when mom n pop insurance company was a thing you could do. When he told them he was retiring, they didn't bother training a replacement, apparently - though they hired many people with graduate degrees to do... Stuff? So they hired him back as a contractor to train people over zoom, which he initially agreed to because lockdown was boring. I'm sure training via zoom was effective!

Meanwhile, they've been melting down for years and years because of natural disaster claims, litigious claims culture in the US, building replacement costs, etc.

The impact of building insurance requirements on everything is yuge; on my council, we've been hearing how it has increased the cost of housing dramatically because of fire insurance requirements - needing sprinklers, altering window placement, materials used. And it has increased our fire service costs by double digit percentages - we have to replace volunteers with unionized employees for round the clock staffing to meet the insurance required response times, or insurance rates for everyone in town are automatically raised.

They'll have a mean right hook from the practice.

Let's get ready to rumbllllllle!

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 10:17 pm (UTC)
ataulfo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ataulfo
Is anyone else hopeful about the wheels of the COVID bureaucracy coming off in front of everybody? The New York Times talking about the CDC's data withholding, the paranoid authoritarian measures Canada is taking in front of everyone, the FDA welcoming Pfizer's lawyers to help them not have to release data in a timely manner in front of everyone! Is this not cause for excitement, how obviously absurd it now is to the average person!?!?!?
Edited Date: 2022-02-22 10:18 pm (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The masses and the average person has zero thinking about any of this covid stuff. The majority want to be left alone in peace to watch Netflix and go buy the stuff that makes them happy. It's the media who will need to whip up some kind of movement of the masses.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 04:56 pm (UTC)
ataulfo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ataulfo
You're right, my comment was idealistic. I think I was really happy because, things are so obviously ridiculous now, I finally told my friends about my views.

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is true but it is equally true that the "masses" are much to blame for all of this mess.

They were too lazy and did zero research and zero thinking about either COVID or the jabs. They just went along with the entire charade. They are also too lazy to do any research or thinking about this fascist coup that's going on all over the West.

But you can best believe they will be FIRST in line to demand medical attention and "saving" once the S really hits the fan.

Twas ever thus. But I think they are going to be S out of luck this time.

Liam in Toronto

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 10:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stcathalexandria
Does anyone know which vaccine Mr. Gates received and how many doses of it? Curious minds!

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 08:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
My gut feeling is: none.

Late night JW

Date: 2022-02-22 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ok, this is something that happened many years ago that has stuck with me. It's before the Covid madness but it seems to fit with the recent posts of demon vs. god.

I used to work a late night shift and would fill up my truck at a closed gas station (the pumps would still operate with credit card purchase) at the end of my shift which was around 1-2 AM. Usually no one but me at this deserted gas station in the middle of the night but a few times over the years someone would pull up. I'd eye them to make sure they weren't gang bangers or something that might be trouble, but usually they wouldn't even glance my way.

One night, a car pulls up, out comes a middle aged woman, we briefly make eye contact. I turn away as she seems harmless and I don't want any awkward interaction. Then, after a pause, me waiting for my truck to fill up and her starting to pump her gas, out of the blue she says to me (paraphrasing from memory)

"You know, God is taking over"

Me: "I'm sorry, what did you say?"

"We are in a time when God is taking over. You see, He goes away and lets man run things for a time to show us we can't run the world, then he comes back. That's why things are bad, but He's coming back to fix it."

Then she walks over to me and hands me a business card that says 'JW' which is apparently the new hip way Jehovah's Witnesses are branding themselves. Now, maybe JW's say this to all the people they meet at gas stations late at night. I don't know. But the coincidental part is that I was thinking about the same thing at that time. Specifically why is it so hard for people to transition to a world that is sustainable and not so obviously self-destructive. Why are we destroying our selves, our future? Admittedly, I think about this topic a lot. And Yes, I understand the irony of thinking such things whilst filling up a truck with gas. I'll just say in my defence that I have made efforts and continue to do so while most people in my life do not even think it's real. Just as the danger of resource depletion doesn't register with many people I know, it is much the same with the current danger of taking experimental drugs for a certain flu like disease. It doesn't register as real to a lot of people, it can't be talked about. Instead, let us all plunge toward that cliff. Nay, let us accelerate toward that cliff enthusiastically with all haste. It's the same vibe except heightened, multiplied.

Is it faith in the pseudo religion of Progress driving this? Does this anger the gods? Or after so much time of man trucking things up, is it just time for the gods to come back and set things right? (as only they can). I've never thought of demons playing a role, but they also offer an explanation.

I don't know. This was before the Covid madness and maybe JW's say this to everybody all the itme, but it seems to tie in with the return of somethng powerful beyond human control.

Re: Late night JW

Date: 2022-02-23 02:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was raised Jw and married to one now. Jws do say this frequently. It's one of their opening lines to pique your interest in their cult.

Re: Late night JW

Date: 2022-02-23 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
When my washing machine was broken and I used the laundromat, getting there at 7:30 to be the first person,
one morning I looked up and somebody had come in to talk to me..................about God.
Yep. JW. In my political paranoia I wondered who he *really was* but figured..............yep, JW.

Re: Late night JW

Date: 2022-02-23 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have noticed quite a bit of 'God is in control now' or 'God is taking over' in the numerous Convoy fb groups that I have been observing and sometimes participating in. Of course, there is a fair bit of overlap between 'freedom-loving' and 'religious' especially in the Bible Belt, so I am not sure how much this type of chatter should be expected, or whether it is suddenly becoming a 'thing' in general.

Ron M

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-22 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
religious-exemption-requesting Thelemite here. On my request for exemption I was sent literature informing me that in lieu of vaccination, I would have to get a test every four days - I wish I were joking. Not worth the hassle at any price but certainly not at the peanuts they'd have paid.

The good news is I reached out to the student who requested lessons with me and they seem all to happy to take lessons independent from their school's involvement. So mote it be!

(no subject)

Date: 2022-02-23 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Livelihood is the law, livelihood under radar.

Empty suburbs

Date: 2022-02-22 11:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eldriwolf
This is apt to get long.

Not a dream, exactly,it took place long ago. (In the 1970's)
I was riding a train, and noticed that some of the last remaining Agricultureal land had been bulldozed, for tract homes.
I felt like I had been punched, almost sick to my stomach.
I had a sort-of tugging on the back of my neck, and a voice close to me said.

*
'It's all right, after the plauges, we can come back, and make it into feilds again'*
I felt comforted,(for about two heart beats.)
I looked around, there was *No One* at my end of the car, At All.
I was thinking,"Plauges?"
What plauges? When?"
No answers
I swear the voice was External. Not like my usual inner voices.
When the COVID started, I wondered if This would be the big one...So I asked my inner voices
The answer was, "Think of this as a 'Dress Rehearsal', a practice run."

I have not had any 'external' messages since that first one.

I am enough of a biologist, to remember that disease spreads faster in crowded populations.
I Have paid close attention to outbreaks since then.

I don't usually share this...it seemed like the right time

Re: Empty suburbs

Date: 2022-02-23 01:17 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow. Very interesting.

Backpedaling

Date: 2022-02-23 12:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I see that today the mayor of Boston has lifted vaccine passports effective immediately.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/18/boston-lifts-proof-of-covid-vaccine-requirement-effective-immediately/

During the truckers' protest in Ottawa, various Canadian provincial governors suspended vaccine mandates. Now, the Canadian parliament has extended the Emergencies Act for 31 days.

Interesting times.

Re: Backpedaling

Date: 2022-02-23 01:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The lifting of the requirements happened five hours after a lawsuit against Mayor Wu, the city of Boston, & Boston's director of Public Health was filed in federal court by an attorney named Richard Chambers. The suit hasn't been dropped, either, last I heard, they were asking the court to determine what (if any?) statutes the restrictions were based upon, so nothing similar could happen again.

We all know vaccines are a leading cause of coincidences. Maybe lawsuits are, too?

Re: Backpedaling

Date: 2022-02-23 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
'Vaccines are a leading cause of coincidences'.

Please, let's all dress up in white lab coats and fill the internet with videos of ourselves solemnly intoning this unassailable truth!

Re: Backpedaling

Date: 2022-02-23 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Philadelphia lifted vaccine mandates but private business kept them anyway. There was a huge backlash among the true believers. Are private businesses keeping them in Boston?

Re: Backpedaling

Date: 2022-02-23 02:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I see the comments in her online meeting did the job!

Hypotheticon

Date: 2022-02-23 12:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In Sweden, they are predicting that a new "hypothetical" variant of COVID might break out in March. No idea what this is even based on. I call it Hypotheticon. Apparently, it will be no worse than Omicron, though...

Tidlösa, Sweden

Re: Hypotheticon

Date: 2022-02-23 02:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have for some while imagined that such a thing might befall Sweden, Florida and other jurisdictions not sufficiently observant of the sacred Narrative and its holy hypodermic sacrament. Those who flout the commandments of the great god Progress are liable to receive much divine punishment, as all right-minded people will readily affirm.

Re: Hypotheticon

Date: 2022-02-23 03:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There has been an overall periodicity to this virus with a period of ~130 days. If that continues late March would be the low point of the next ebb and the time at which the variant that will dominate the next wave will become apparent. Assuming March-April 2020 was the first wave, the next one would be the seventh.

Mark L

Re: Hypotheticon

Date: 2022-02-23 09:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Interesting! Thank you.

Tidlösa, Sweden

Died Unexpectedly

Date: 2022-02-23 12:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Mark Lanegan, dead at 57. RIP.

https://www.undertheradarmag.com/news/mark_lanegan_has_died

"...Lanegan had a long history of substance abuse issues, but was 10 years sober as of 2020. In 2020 Lanegan and his wife Shelley Brien moved from Los Angeles to Killarney, Ireland. In 2021 he was hospitalized with severe COVID-19 and almost died. That motivated him to go from believing in COVID-19 conspiracy theories and being vaccine-hesitant to saying in an interview with Consequence last December that he would get boosted."

Re: Died Unexpectedly

Date: 2022-02-23 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deathcap
Wait, get "boosted"? That means that after being hospitalized with severe COVID-19, he THEN got multiple shots? Spike protein overloaddddddddddd

Re: Died Unexpectedly

Date: 2022-02-23 08:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So he believed that it made sense for him to get the shots after recovery. One could say he was killed by fake news.

Re: Died Unexpectedly

Date: 2022-02-23 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Or having slept through high school biology
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
Over the weekend I had some random thoughts of the pandemic, and how my early views of the "big picture" have changed. But some things are on track, as I've always thought Covid-19 was a bit of a diversion from .gov having to deal with the economy - and we all know which direction the economy is going.

Specifically I was thinking that the U.S. is in a similar spot politically as was Germany in 1931-32, when the street battles between the various political factions at the extremes (Nazis, Communists) was wearing down citizens in the moderate portions of the spectrum. Well, we all know how that ended up.

Does 2022 or 2024 mark a point where American citizens will accept an imperfect Republican candidate and more draconian measures to save us from the hell the Democrats have unleashed? In other words, swing away from the woke/liberal/leftist policies to the other extreme?

And then today I came across this story - where a "celebration" of the Communist Manifesto was crashed by some flag waving Nazis. A small event perhaps, in the same neck of the woods as our generous host, but maybe a glimpse of what's coming?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/so-ugly-neo-nazis-crash-book-reading-with-giant-swastika-flag/ar-AAUaLXf

"The Monday book reading was meant to commemorate the anniversary of the Communist Manifesto—also known as “Red Books Day.”
From: (Anonymous)
You would hear the cheering in Rhode Island! As well as the heartfelt prayers of thanks to all the Gods in existence.

And then we'd have a party!

Liam in Toronto
From: (Anonymous)
The political class in Germany is on the same track as Mr Truck Fudeau. I am currently just not seeing who could fit the role of the monarch.

Somewhere on the fringes of the internet I have read about a movement that is trying to reinstate the Hohenzollern monarchy. I am not sure whether this would be a good idea based on our past experience with them.

Kind regards
Secretface
From: [personal profile] dr_coyote
I wonder if the British monarch's powers extend so far as to be able to remove an out of control prime minister in a Commonwealth country. It seems unlikely, but if so, it would be a fast and legally established way out of this problem for everyone concerned.
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, legally it does. I'd expect the uproar in other countries to more than make up for the relief in Canada, however, so unless this is her way of escaping the UK and making a new home, I doubt we'd see this.
From: (Anonymous)
My understanding is that the Governor General, who is the monarch's representative, does have the power to do this.

In Australia, Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was dismissed from office by the Governor General in 1975, for reasons that are much debated.

I believe there are petitions happening in several commonwealth countries calling on Governor Generals to dismiss their prime ministers. In another thread hearthspirit includes a link to a statement by the Canadian Governor General:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/governor-general-no-confidence-1.6360883

but note carefully the words used, she does not deny having the power to dismiss the PM, only pointing out that there is no 'process or registry' for citizens to trigger this.

Happy to be corrected by someone who knows this better than me.
From: [personal profile] dr_coyote
Thanks for this info. Yes, that rings true that there would be no 'process or registry' for citizens to petition the GG. As the representative of the monarch, and only the monarch, why would there be such a process? This completely makes sense within their system, and it seems like a pretty robust check on abuse of power.

Huh. Wheels within wheels of political power, things that I never even guessed existed in the Commonwealth. Such is the ability of a pandemic to pull out all the weird corners of laws and customs, and to show where the real power lies.
From: [personal profile] team10tim
Not meaningful commentary, just a detail.

Mary Simons, the Governor General, is Inuktitut and her name, Ningiukudluk, translates to bossy little old lady.
From: (Anonymous)
I foresee tons of ex-house representatives, senators, PMC, etc. Holed up in some country of ex-pats. They’ll be bitterly complaining about how wonderful the US used to be when THEY ran things.
Of course no one here will be too heartbroken.
From: (Anonymous)
That's what happened in Fiji with Bainimarama. The situation got so messy that when a strong man finally stepped in many of the citizens were incredibly grateful. Outside the country a lot of jornos and ex-pats were calling him all sorts of nasty names but when I went there it was surprising to find out how popular he was.
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
It happened about 15 blocks away from our house. The library in question (Red Ink Library) is relatively new, and small. It opened about six months ago. Here's their website:

https://www.redinkri.org

From: (Anonymous)
The only organized party I knew of in Rhode Island had a distinctly Italian flair, and would prefer to not be spoken of.
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
Oh well in that case I'm sure they weren't actually there to crash the party, they were just there to buy a book, and things got a little "out of hand".

(The jokes write themselves, I'm so, so sorry)

From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
I don't. But this group seems to be based in Massachusetts, and to focus on New England generally. It's called the Nastional Socialist Club and/or 131 Crew. See:

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/nationalist-social-club-nsc

From: (Anonymous)
I thought it very strange that a group of Nazis showed up. I haven't heard of one in the 40 years I've been here. Far be it for me to suggest a false flag operation...
I also live close to the site. The location used to be rented to the Police Department for a community substation. I wonder who's paying the rent for the "Library"?
My first reaction when I read about this was your comment that the opposite of a bad idea is often an equally bad idea...
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
I sense we're at an inflection point in history. Though, to be honest, it's seemed like that same sense has been coming up every two months for the last two years...
From: (Anonymous)
Given how slow history moves, my guess is that 2020-2022 will be considered the inflection point. If you haven't yet, I'd suggest reading biographies of people who lived through the first half of the 20th century, or the French Revolution, or any period of intense radical change, because it is usually quite slow when measured in terms of a human life.
From: (Anonymous)
Praise Bob! ;)
From: (Anonymous)
That's been Curtis Yarvin's position for years and his sub stack has been curiously silent for the past 6 weeks making me wonder.....
From: (Anonymous)
Regarding the General Bob McDonald scenario, right now in Canada democracy is hanging by a thread with bated breath as the Senate takes its sweet time to come to a decision regarding the Emergencies Act. For those who are not up-to-speed on Canadian civics, our Senate is a sleepy place where prime ministers' pets go to rubber-stamp legislation and collect insanely big paycheques until they die. Lots of folks figured that the 'debate' among the Senators would last a few hours. But the Senate as requested several DAYS to hum and haw it over and it seems like there are a fair number of critics among them who are asking some probing questions, especially since the House of Commons representative who speaks to them is telling them, 'there really IS an emergency even though it doesn't look like it, but you can't see the top secret documents that say that it is an emergency... so, just trust us and approve it like good government fauna.'

If the Senate votes it down, the Emergencies Act is immediately nixed. But... if the Senate approves the Emergencies Act, a Bob McDonald scenario may be triggered: given how hot-under-the-collar the vets have been about government over-reach and heavy-handedness to the point of inviting beatings and arrest, I dare say that there will be some patriotic (and possibly power-hungry) active members of the military who would happily clear house and run a small, tight government to the ecstasy of many Canadians.

Ron M
From: (Anonymous)
Is this why Trudeau walked back the emergency measure? Did WEF yank his chain and say 'heel!'? It appears there may be digital ID stuff happening that would be hampered by people losing faith in the banking system.

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/trudeau-backed-off-so-that-the-wef
From: (Anonymous)
Something that's been forgotten by the history books but Germany was this close to going commie instead. The commies almost succeeded and they wanted to take Germany into the Soviet Union at the time.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Byupht8nlQ0

Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 01:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Reading tonight a little bit on the hunters lodges popular in the 1830s in the u.s. Seems to be commonalities the situation in Canada and the United States today. Hunters lodges were aimed to liberate Canadian colonies from tyranny of British thralldom. Counted on support from borderlanders. Military generals of the time complained they couldn't do anything because so many officers favored the cause of the hunters lodges. Reasons Americans join these lodges we're in part due to an idealistic belief in Canadian independence. They lost, but they were a kind of freedom fanatic of the time.

What's interesting to me is that protest in Canada were partly funded by people from the United States. Protest seem to be again about liberating Canadians from tyrannical thralldom. And at first at least the regular police didn't want to deal with them and seemed to be sympathetic.

JMG noted commonwealth countries that didn't reject British rule are going through a kind of hard tyrannical push by their governments currently.

The sentiment in the US that Canadians could be free from tyranny is potentially a useful tool here.

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 06:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Of Course;

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/hunters-lodges

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015051114133&view=1up&seq=7&skin=2021

https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/276067

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 01:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frittermywig
Check out Donald E. Graves book, Guns Across the River: The Battle of the Windmill, 1838. From the back cover: "In 1838, seeing political turbulence in Canada as an opportunity, members of a clandestine American organization, the Patriot Hunters, launched a series of attacks across the international boundary." They were fighting "tyranny and oppression wherever manifested."

It's called the Patriot War and is an obscure part of the obscure Upper Canada Rebellion. It's much on my mind too. I'd love to hear about the sources OP is drawing on.

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It is part of my family history so am drawing on that as well. I think it time now for deeper study. One of the catalysts of this movement was in Charles Duncombe's overseas trip to Britain to table plans for reform and the complete lack of attention from the British administration to his issue; complete denial of his agency. This treatment led to his radicalization, again I'm seeing parallels...

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/duncombe_charles_9E.html


"Arriving in London in September 1836, Duncombe had the Reform charges laid before the House of Commons by Joseph Hume. But the colonial secretary, Lord Glenelg, would not even see the Canadian delegate. It was a devastating experience for the moderate Duncombe. Along with many Reformers, he had held a naïve faith in British justice, and he had been convinced that the troubles of Canada stemmed from domestic misrule which Britain, if aware of the true situation, would rectify. In Duncombe’s sharp disillusionment can be read a major cause of the rebellions. As he wrote to Robert Baldwin*, he now felt that the people of Canada, “if ever they have good government . . . must look among themselves for the means of producing it . . . .” His bitterness, and resultant radicalism, was heightened by personal tragedy: a fire devastated his property and, while he was on his way to England on his futile mission, his only son was thrown from a horse and killed, aged 14.

Duncombe virtually withdrew from public life on his return to Upper Canada in November 1836. That, in his melancholy, he was prepared for independence is clear. When he decided upon rebellion is more difficult to determine."

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
Thank you for this book recommendation, frittermywig; I'm going to read it. One of my great-great-great-grandfathers was part of this war.

His name was Louis L'Hu[i]ssier, and he was the man who shot and killed the British officer, Lt. Weir. He was arrested for murder and sentencd to hang. However, he broke out of the prison in Montreal in some way that remains unclear to this day, and fled to St. Louis for refuge. Eventually his wife and children were able to join him there, and his daughter was born there. Some decades later he returned to Canada with his wife and daughter, who married Adolphe Ouimet, an important Francophone politician of that era. His son, Louis Olezerne Lussier, remained in the US.

None of L'Huissier's children seem ever to have been baptized in Canada, which makes me think that he sympathized with the French ideal of laïcité and was (at least somewhat) anti-clerical. His son who stayed in the US became a Swedenborgian.

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hearthspirit
Mais bien-sûr, along with the ancestors you've spoken of before in the US, you are also the descendant of a real L'Huissier de justice gratuit en Canada?

I think in Anglo-Canada, it is pronounced sounding more like hoser, or south of the line, I suppose hooser. Which is a strange reversal of the original French.

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-24 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] robertmathiesen
The first immigrant ancestor in that line of my descent was Jacques L'Hu[i]ssier/Lusssier (1646-1713), who came to Canada as a young unmarried man. So far as anyone knows, he was not a huissier de justice at all, though one of his remote ancestors may have been (thus accounting for his suname). Louis Olezerne Lussier pronounced his surname as "Loo-SEER" (accent on the second syllable), which I presume was how his parents had pronounced it also. His father, the Patriot, spelled his last name L'Hussier (without an "i" after the "u"), which suggests a simple vowel ("loo") rather than the diphthong that native French speakers have told me is indicated by the "ui" spelling.

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-23 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The book I am reading is titled 'The rise and fall of the Patriot Hunters' by Oscar A Kinchen.

I tend to forget most people don't read books on electronic devices. However again here is the link for the electronic version of this book.


https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015051114133&view=1up&seq=1&skin=2021

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-24 01:34 pm (UTC)
frittermywig: Original Illustration by Henry Holiday (Default)
From: [personal profile] frittermywig
Cheers!

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-24 12:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stcathalexandria
That War of 1812 just didn't wrap up in 1814 I guess.

Re: Hunters Lodges

Date: 2022-02-24 01:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frittermywig
One easily conjures images of 19th century filibusters/freebooters in Central America, but some adventurers went north. See James Dickson, who in 1836 ventured to (present-day) Manitoba as part of his scheme to create an "independent Indian state" stretching from "Rupert's Land to Texas and California."
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