Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 29

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   

Comments

Hyper lethal varient

[seanbolger1]

Here in the UK, Sage advisory body, the government scientists, are predicting a new hyper lethal varient that can kill up to 35 percent of the people it infects.
Which is strange, first there is no way they can know that in advance and also their previous prediction were mostly wrong and have significantly damaged their reputation.
Also so far covid has only had a 0.3 percent death rate, highly concentrated in the elderly population with several co-morbidities.
A rate of 35 percent would put it on par with the black death.
Assuming everyone in the UK caught it, that would put the death toll well above 20 million. Thats quite an extreme prediction to make even more so considering the amount of criticism they are already facing for their previously wrong forecast.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10527921/Now-SAGE-warns-Boris-weeks-bonfire-Covid-rules.html

Kind regards
Sean

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[ari_ormstunga]

That's an oddly specific prediction, all things considered.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

Every time I see this sort of thing, I wonder if this isn't some sort of foreknowledge of the extent of ADE coming.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think they're just going with worst-case-scenario CFR from MERS.

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[vitranc]

Well correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t our illustrious host say something eerily similar back in August.
Concerning endgame…

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[deathcap]

Well if you're expecting a mass casualty event from auto-immune side effects, that would line up.

I'm not. I'm just expecting a gradual, alarming increase in random cardiovascular, auto-immune, and neurological illnesses. That seems more likely cause catastrophe really doesn't happen very often.

But I'm no prophet, I'm just a dude in the southern US with an internet connection and a distrust of authority :)

-deathcap

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[seanbolger1]

I agree, it's usually nonstop stories how random stuff can give you a heart attack.
The sage prediction is somewhat strange. Just way out there.
However it does fit with jmg original prediction.
Also here in the UK the government has been lying about how many people are foxed.
Kind regards
Sean

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[(Anonymous)]

I agree, reality favors boring outcomes like everyone fudging along in mediocre health with a slightly raised annual death toll. Followed by human stupidity from frustration at the mundane lol.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

This is what I'm expecting, as well. That, and a mysterious increase in fertility issues among the upper class that we just have nooooooo explanation for, nope, doesn't make sense at all.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

The trouble with these reports is that very few people read them carefully enough to understand exactly what was written. The 'prediction of a new hyper lethal variant' in that article reads as follows (emphasis mine):

"It warned of a 'realistic **POSSIBILITY**' that a variant **COULD** spawn that is just as lethal as other coronaviruses known to strike humans, such as MERS, which has a 35 per cent case fatality rate. Mutations are more likely while circulation of the virus is high, the panel said.

Referencing the document in its minutes, SAGE warned that the scenario — which they've already floated before — remained a 'valid' **POSSIBILITY**. But the report also admitted that it was **EQUALLY REALISTIC** that the virus will mutate to become **LESS** lethal over time."

'Possibility' and 'certainty' are really big, really important words to scientists. If asked whether it is **possible** that a natural disaster **could** stop the truckers' convoy next week, I would have to say 'Yes, that is possible." Why is it possible? Only because we do not know of anything that renders it utterly impossible. That does **NOT** mean such a thing is at all likely to happen, and it does **NOT** mean I predicted it would or should.

Please, everyone, read carefully so that you do not succumb to the propagandists.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! Yours is one of the most important posts here in quite a while.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[vitranc]

Brilliant simply brilliant.
Thank you for this.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! Yours is one of the most important posts here in quite a while.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of a stretch to say they're predicting a hyper lethal variant. It sounds like they're saying that there is no guarantee that the next variant will be mild, and it could even be comparable to MERS, another novel coronavirus that has a 35% fatality rate. However, they also acknowledge that the next variant might be mild as well.

I read it not so much as a prediction of doom as a warning that we don't know the future and this virus might yet surprise us.

Mark L

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[seanbolger1]

I don't understand why they would even publish it considering how trashed their reputation is. Its just more ammo for the daily mail and telegraph.
Kind regards
Sean

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[(Anonymous)]

This reminds me of a time I went to a doctor and asked him how things would pan out.

He told me: "it could get better, stay the same, or get worse" :)

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[(Anonymous)]

Just the guys with the spreadsheets having some fun.
Once your reputation is shredded you can go all in.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

It's about time some impartial jury had a close look at SAGE's (and comparable bodies') calculations and their influence on the demonstrably harmful and largely pointless measures that have been taken over the last two years.

No sane scientist has ever mentioned that so drastic of an outlook, so they must clearly be nuts. Or evil.

I did a quick search on possible connections to the WEF, but amazingly, I found none. They must be independently nuts.

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[hippieviking]

An acausal connecting principal...

Re: Hyper lethal variant

[(Anonymous)]

Well, whatever the next pandemic du jour may be, a few lessons learned--

1. An astounding number of people, whether elected, appointed, or self-appointed, will be thrilled at the opportunity to stomp on others human and civil rights(as far as they're concerned, you don't have rights, just "privileges," and they decide what those are for you)

2. An astounding number of people will be thrilled at the opportunity to stop leading their boring little lives and signal their virtue and status in Important Ways! And many will also be thrilled to join category 1! Relatedly, they reveal that they slept through high school biology, like, totally!

3. Big Pharma has some newfangled concoction to inject you with that makes their stockholders smile

4. Your doctor is more likely than not a spineless heartless zombiekins, but if you're in category 2, no worries, you won't notice

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

Always seems to be something around the corner, doesn't it?
I can't help but think of that old TV infomercial trope, "But, wait! There's more!!"

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

Is it possible the next variant is not in fact a variant, but cover for incoming vax damage?

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[(Anonymous)]

Given Sage's predictive accuracy is on a par with Jim Kunstler's, I consider this to be a good news story.

Re: Hyper lethal varient

[(Anonymous)]

Here is a good substack article on this subject:

https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/uk-advisers-warn-of-original-antigenic?utm_source=url

And Geert theorizing that ADE may be on the horizon with Omicron:

https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/omicron-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing

Same from Radagast:

https://www.rintrah.nl/heads-i-win-tails-i-dont-report-the-results/

The BA.2 variant does seem to hold that potential.

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[(Anonymous)]

Remember the "prestigious" Imperial college and their Neil Freguson? There's a twitter parody account, Neil Ferguson's Calculator™ that seems to re-incarnate after each twitter purge. I mean, what would I get if my calculations missed the mark tenfold? Trouble, I'd say. But not him. So there's a lot of free-flying miscalculation in the air, and all of it, absolutely all, is in the upside. Have we seen a single prognosis miscalculating in the less-lethal direction? So we're seeing heavy bias and little takedown. Here is one that looks a bit closer the forecasts from that prestigious institution https://www.aier.org/article/the-failure-of-imperial-college-modeling-is-far-worse-than-we-knew/