Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 29

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   

Comments

Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

"How rare are vaccine side effects? Not very rare at all."
"The CDC and Wall St. Journal both say serious side effects from the COVID vaccines are extremely rare. They are lying. But now we have unassailable proof from the Israeli government!"

by Steve Kirsch
Feb 21, 2022


EXCERPT:

"The CDC and Wall St. Journal are both lying to you. Big time.
The truth is the vaccines are an unmitigated disaster. The most dangerous vaccines in human history. They should be immediately halted.
But the mainstream media is completely silent and totally ignored this study because it goes against the narrative.
Here’s the proof… right from the Israeli Ministry of Health
The latest proof of that comes from the Israeli Ministry of Health who did something that no government agency has ever done before: did a proactive survey of people who got the booster (instead of using a passive surveillance system like everyone else does). This is the only way to get true rate data since you know the denominator."


REAL THE FULL POST:

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-rare-are-vaccine-side-effects?utm_source=url

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

edward dowd (ex-blackrock big wig and hedge fund guru) says that big insurance is getting ready to take on big pharma, because of the increased payouts they are having to make due to what one insurance company says is a 40% increase in working age deaths in the past year.

if the insurance companies can prove fraud in the safety trials, it would invalidate the immunity from liability that is currently in effect for the jab-makers. that would most likely bankrupt all of them.

apparently wall st. is getting miffed, and they are one of the few players that has the dosh to fight big pharma in the courts. i, for one, cannot wait for the discovery phase of any forthcoming lawsuit.

- p coyle

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

Go Insurance Companies!!!!!!Go!!!!

(I'm picturing Insurance Company cheerleaders lol)

Re: Side effects

[ecosophia]

I never thought I'd find myself thinking warm thoughts about insurance companies. By and large -- well, I'd call them scumbags, but the Used Condom Defamation League would probably get on my case if I did. Still, the thought of watching the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry going at each other is a little like imagining a rabid dog and a cobra deciding to kill each other rather than hurting anyone else.

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

Well, the insurance companies have every incentive to do so: in most countries, since they are all under EUAs, any deaths likely caused by the vaccines is one which the insurance companies do not need to cover. In many, even if it gets full authorization later, if it was under an EUA when the person took it, it's the same.

So insurance companies will have every incentive to try to link every death they can to the vaccine, which could get quite colourful....

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

I shouldn't be laughing....

Re: Side effects

[kimberlysteele]

Thank you for this -- I had a good laugh! My first jobs out of college were temp jobs, and they were often in insurance companies doing reception work. Those formative experiences are the reason I am an indie music teacher who has been willing to bear the stints of poverty that go along with being an indie music teacher. My observations:

1. Insurance companies are as common as head lice and far less beneficial to their hosts.

2. The scene in any given insurance office is the modern equivalent of a harem. One or two guys float at the top as "sultans" and an army of scheming, miserable women do actual work along with a few scheming, miserable eunuchs.

3. I would much rather be homeless than ever work in such a situation again if those were the choices presented to me.

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

The literary verve and colour here this week is off the hook... dogs and cobras, sultans and harems... all very effective metaphors that seem, well, just so accurate! Thank you Kimberly Steele and JMG.

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

I would kind of love to see Big pHarma and Big Insurance conveniently take each other out, for the good of all.

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[(Anonymous)]

Well if there was any group or organization in the u.s. with a better team of paid lawyers who can find loopholes, rabbitholes, or wormholes in any paperwork or agreement made to not cover something it is the insurance companies.

Re: Side effects

[escorcher]

On the subject of insurance companies being the unlikely truth revealers ... This could potentially blow a few things open courtesy of info. from Germany.

The Bad Cat cautiously tells more here: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/german-vaccine-side-effects-data?utm_source=url

Re: Side effects

[methylethyl]

I've read about four posts on this subject today, and as far as I can tell, the info released from the insurance companies is only for the *first half* of 2021, and only covers things doctors labeled as vaccine related.

The mind boggles at the implications. It means that the 244k+ injuries they have in their system are likely the tip of the iceberg. If medical reporting in Germany is anything at all like medical reporting here, it is possible that *most* serious adverse events were *not* reported as related to the shots. And, I don't know about Germany, but in most places the first half of the year was a rush to get old people and medical employees vaccinated. It got rolled out to the younger population May-July-ish, while the first cohort was getting second shots, and by the end of the year, maybe boosters?

I am *on tenterhooks* waiting for the Q3 and Q4 numbers to come out. I don't see any way they are *better* than the first half of the year, and strongly suspect they are much worse.

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

This, more than anything, gives me hope that the fraud and lies surrounding the mrna "vaccines" will actually see the light of day, for all to behold.

It's also a potent reminder that the giants duke it out between one another from time to time, shaking things up, and making collusion on a global scale basically impossible.

Re: Side effects

[methylethyl]

I'm nervous that, like wall street some years ago, the insurance companies will be bought off, too-big-to-fail style, to keep them quiet. We'll see.

Re: Side effects

[(Anonymous)]

Today on the front page of the Wall Street Journal:
"Rise in Non-Covid-19 Deaths Pares Life Insurers' Earnings"

According to the article, death policy claims in the third quarter of 2021 were 37.7% higher than baseline. About half of those deaths were covid-related; the other half were mostly cardiovascular and neurological, according to the article. The insurance executives believe that it's primarily due to 'delayed medical care' due to the pandemic.

But that's...a lot. Even if you subtract the covid deaths, you've got 18.7% non-covid. In a normal year, a 6% increase over baseline would be considered high. 18% is three times that.

The CEO of OneAmerica Financial Partners caims that he expects the death toll will remain elevated for some time due to survivors who "later die from the toll Covid has taken on their bodies."

-Ms. Krieger

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[hearthspirit]

I'm going to pretend I didn't see the rest of the insurance comments.

Ahem. Anyway. My dad was a commercial insurance underwriter for 45 years, started right out of highschool because his dad owned a company, back when mom n pop insurance company was a thing you could do. When he told them he was retiring, they didn't bother training a replacement, apparently - though they hired many people with graduate degrees to do... Stuff? So they hired him back as a contractor to train people over zoom, which he initially agreed to because lockdown was boring. I'm sure training via zoom was effective!

Meanwhile, they've been melting down for years and years because of natural disaster claims, litigious claims culture in the US, building replacement costs, etc.

The impact of building insurance requirements on everything is yuge; on my council, we've been hearing how it has increased the cost of housing dramatically because of fire insurance requirements - needing sprinklers, altering window placement, materials used. And it has increased our fire service costs by double digit percentages - we have to replace volunteers with unionized employees for round the clock staffing to meet the insurance required response times, or insurance rates for everyone in town are automatically raised.

They'll have a mean right hook from the practice.

Let's get ready to rumbllllllle!