Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 29

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   

Comments

A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Major news agencies have reported that the CDC has withheld covid data because it was concerned that the data would be misinterpreted. This is a major admission and it has been covered on the NYT, MSN, Bloomberg, CNN, Yahoo, and NBC. I don't know why the CDC would admit this or why the MSM would suddenly start covering content that is critical of the government's handling of covid.

My guess is setting things up for someone to take the fallout, but that only creates more questions.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if the basic hypothesis is right, this is probably a sign we're about to reach the point where a lot of people start dying...

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

I remember years ago a course on social psychology. The teacher said “WE won, THEY lost.”

It was a reference to sports teams. Your team won the championship? “WE won!”

Your team lost the championship “THEY lost.”

I’ve always been on the lookout for this line of reasoning. People back quickly off of a losing horse. They don’t want to be associated with losing. They also pile on a win they quite literally had nothing to do with.

It’s a useful line because you can see the MSM doing this now. Like they weren’t cheerleading it the entire time. In the hopes that people will forget they were involved or had any culpability. One of the reasons this works is because their fans did the same thing.

“The government has lost and failed etc.”
“They lost.”

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Dear Anonymous,

You make an excellent point.

With me, slowly over the last several years, then in a slick-slide down over the last 2 years, the MSM has lost all credibility. I no longer bother to look at MSM, NYT, CNN, and the rest of that gang of shills; instead I look for individual journalists and writers who have shown a track record of professionalism, intelligence, and honesty. There are a few. Our host is one of them.

Ochre Jejune Stradivariusaurus

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Um. I don't have it handy, but an insurance company was saying a while back that deaths are up something like 40% over normal among young adults. So, a lot of people have been dying for quite a while now.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

That "40% increase" is an increase in a very small number. Life insurance for young adults is very inexpensive, because so few of them die (especially, I suppose, those mature enough to buy life insurance). For an insurance company, a 40% increase in pay-outs means that they need to raise premiums 40% to break even, which would be a shock to their customers. But for most of us... well, how many young adult deaths are you personally aware of? A low rate, multiplied over a large population, will come up with a big, scary number, but consider the recent figure of "about 1 million excess deaths (of all ages)". In a population of 350 million, that's one person in 350. One death is a tragedy, of course, but a million is just a statistic.

Lathechuck

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

A 40% increase in mortality among working age people is, to put it mildly, an enormous signal. For the US population, even 10% increase represents, IIRC, a 3-sigma event, meaning even a 10% elevation would occur, by chance, only once about every 500-1000 years. A 40% increase would be a 12-sigma event, and the statistical tables in my references don't go that high, as the chance likelihood of such an event is virtually zero within the lifespan of the universe.

This is a big deal: There is a new cause of death in the 18-64 demographic, and it's by far the largest cause of death for this group, nearly returning us to the mortality rates of the late pre-antibiotic era. And this is only for the first year since the start of the "jabs". You may not be scared. I sure-the-h*ll am.

--Lunar Apprentice

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

To put the 40% increase into perspective:

A while back I looked up and compared 2019 all-cause US mortality to 2020 all-cause US mortality and predicted mortality.

There was a 20% increase in actual vs. expected mortality in 2020. Meaning, of course, that whatever number of people were predicted to die in the US in 2020 (based on models of past years and population age), 120% of that number died. US all cause mortality as a percentage of population went back up to what it was about 20 years ago, after two decades of decline.

So in 2020, we stopped the world for a flu that in the end drove all-cause US mortality up by 20% - and we don't know how much of that was the result of covid, and how much was the result of the response to covid, which causes delayed/missed treatment of other illnesses. But evidence also indicates that the 20% increase in 2020 was primarily among older and sicker people.

Now we're seeing a 40% increase in all-cause mortality among young people, and the official government response is....(chirp, chirp)......

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, in the working age demographic, since April 2021, two.

Also two more who would have died if they hadn't been with their respective wives at the times of their respective heart attacks.

Not online friends, in person friends. The two deaths and one survivor local, the other survivor had been local before a move.

For sure the two survivors were vaxxed. I don't know about the two deaths, it seems rude to ask their grieving parents (who are in very poor health themselves, which is why I suspect both were, because they were good, careful, sons, for whom early adoption to protect elderly family would have been in character).

AND my brother-in-law, mid-forties, now has congestive heart failure.

All men. Make of that what you will, but I'm reminding all the men I know to go to their doctors.

BoysMom

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[weilong]

We'll see. So far, nothing much is happening in Europe or Japan, in terms of overall mortality. I expect mortality to stay high/rising in the USA for a variety of reasons as the country declines at an accelerating rate. That will probably be difficult to separate from whatever damage is caused by experimental drugs. That may hit the outer regions of the empire, too.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

My confidence in whatever data may be coming out of various European bureaucratic maws is a little shaky these days. Just sayin'.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

If you have data to support your claim about Japan, please provide a reference. I live in Japan and am not aware of any comparative yearly all cause mortality data being published.

I a aware of NHK (public broadcasting) having a segment of the morning program dedicated to fact and opinions regarding vaccine side effects. Since this is a breakfast time slot I was quite surprised at the theme.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[weilong]

Preliminary reports of demographic trends are published monthly here (latest is Nov 2021):
https://www.e-stat.go.jp/stat-search/files?page=1&layout=datalist&toukei=00450011&tstat=000001028897&cycle=1&tclass1=000001053058&tclass2=000001053059&tclass3val=0

Annual reports are published here (2021 report is due sometime in March):
https://www.mhlw.go.jp/toukei/list/81-1a.html

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Similarly alarming data has just come from a German life insurance agency suggesting a ten fold increase of adverse cases than previous estimated. The numbers were so high as to suggest 1 in 25 people would require medical attention for their adverse reactions. Also it should be noted that usually this would be internal data, but they felt it would be immoral to keep this data signal private.

https://thehighwire.com/news/large-german-insurance-company-estimates-2-5-3-million-people-in-germany-under-treatment-for-side-effects-of-vaccination-after-covid-shot/

This coupled with other similar data streams from US insurers, and Wall Street placing shorts in Moderna stocks suggests to me the wheels have totally fallen off the bus with this narrative.

The only thing I could see effectively hiding all this from the public would be WWIII

-Okasha

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[athaia]

Don't worry, we've got that covered - Russia just threatened Finland not to join NATO, or else.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Because we are now about into chapter 17 (pg 59) of the scenario plan. If you want spoilers, read ahead:

https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

Murmuration

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for this.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Erm. I'm far from sure this could really be considered a plan. It's a scenario, of a sort done regularly, and it differs from what's happened in enough ways that I doubt there's anything more going on here than the fact some things can be predicted in advance, and the public health officials have been planning how they'd handle a pandemic for a long time.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, they've been scenario planning in earnest for about 20 years. It started more or less in conjunction with the anthrax events in the US in the midst of the wmd debacle. Going back to read through the write ups that followed each 5 year scenario planning session, they started fairly loose. As they approach 2019, they sure do feel like they tighten into the shape of what we've now lived through. This last writeup, it's not an exact set of steps, a step 1-20 baking recipe, for sure. But you don't really have to squint your eyes very hard at all to see 2019-present waving at you from out of those pages. The names are fiction, the nitty gritty specifics don't match, but the major story beats are there, and quite a few of the minor ones as well. For me, it's way past a list of generic things a society should do in a pandemic, things to bear in mind, should a pandemic come along. It's way too close an overlap to lived experience in my mind to dismiss.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

The Weather Channel didn't want to report the weather in case somebody misinterpreted it.
Ha. rrrrigghhhttt........

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

...snowflake joke in the oven...

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

THE GASLIGHTING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL TOTAL ZOMBIE MIND-MELD

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[hearthspirit]

Oh hai, can i helps?

https://decider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/zombie-king-508.gif"

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[homeopathic_meditations]

If you cannot know the official/aggregate data, you must decide in advance how are you gathering your own data. Otherwise, two things may happen. 1) Others will push their data (and their agendas) to you, and you will end up believing the narrative your emotions identify with; or 2) You will go around fetching data that already conforms with the narrative you already believe.

For what's worth, the criteria I do use is: "cases in people who I know by face and by name". and "people known by face and by name to a third party in category 1 (aka. I know them by face and by name)". By each of these criteria, I already know at least one case of severe side effects after vaxes, though thanks God none fatal yet (unlike fatal Covid cases). All other hearsay, I disregard as statistical noise (though it might be useful to grasp the overall awareness of the general population).