Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 29

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   

Comments

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

That "40% increase" is an increase in a very small number. Life insurance for young adults is very inexpensive, because so few of them die (especially, I suppose, those mature enough to buy life insurance). For an insurance company, a 40% increase in pay-outs means that they need to raise premiums 40% to break even, which would be a shock to their customers. But for most of us... well, how many young adult deaths are you personally aware of? A low rate, multiplied over a large population, will come up with a big, scary number, but consider the recent figure of "about 1 million excess deaths (of all ages)". In a population of 350 million, that's one person in 350. One death is a tragedy, of course, but a million is just a statistic.

Lathechuck

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

A 40% increase in mortality among working age people is, to put it mildly, an enormous signal. For the US population, even 10% increase represents, IIRC, a 3-sigma event, meaning even a 10% elevation would occur, by chance, only once about every 500-1000 years. A 40% increase would be a 12-sigma event, and the statistical tables in my references don't go that high, as the chance likelihood of such an event is virtually zero within the lifespan of the universe.

This is a big deal: There is a new cause of death in the 18-64 demographic, and it's by far the largest cause of death for this group, nearly returning us to the mortality rates of the late pre-antibiotic era. And this is only for the first year since the start of the "jabs". You may not be scared. I sure-the-h*ll am.

--Lunar Apprentice

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[weilong]

It's difficult to gauge the personal impact of relatively rare events. On the one hand, one death in 350 might not seem like much. Chances are good that you or I (any particular person) might not know anybody who dies in any given year. Maybe somebody you know dies every three or four years. Still might not seem like much; I mean, I already attend two or three funerals every year (although they are mostly for elderly neighbors). On the other hand, It's been twenty twenty years or so since I left college. If five or six of my classmates had died in that interval... well, that would be a big difference.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Has it even been a full year since the vaccines were first given to young adults in the US? Here in Canada it wasn't until sometime in May or June they became available for me (aged 26). So if we have a 40% increase in less than a year, this is a major red flag.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

To put the 40% increase into perspective:

A while back I looked up and compared 2019 all-cause US mortality to 2020 all-cause US mortality and predicted mortality.

There was a 20% increase in actual vs. expected mortality in 2020. Meaning, of course, that whatever number of people were predicted to die in the US in 2020 (based on models of past years and population age), 120% of that number died. US all cause mortality as a percentage of population went back up to what it was about 20 years ago, after two decades of decline.

So in 2020, we stopped the world for a flu that in the end drove all-cause US mortality up by 20% - and we don't know how much of that was the result of covid, and how much was the result of the response to covid, which causes delayed/missed treatment of other illnesses. But evidence also indicates that the 20% increase in 2020 was primarily among older and sicker people.

Now we're seeing a 40% increase in all-cause mortality among young people, and the official government response is....(chirp, chirp)......

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, in the working age demographic, since April 2021, two.

Also two more who would have died if they hadn't been with their respective wives at the times of their respective heart attacks.

Not online friends, in person friends. The two deaths and one survivor local, the other survivor had been local before a move.

For sure the two survivors were vaxxed. I don't know about the two deaths, it seems rude to ask their grieving parents (who are in very poor health themselves, which is why I suspect both were, because they were good, careful, sons, for whom early adoption to protect elderly family would have been in character).

AND my brother-in-law, mid-forties, now has congestive heart failure.

All men. Make of that what you will, but I'm reminding all the men I know to go to their doctors.

BoysMom

Re: A weird change in the narrative

[(Anonymous)]

I have never mentioned this till now. Last year, my estranged sister (age, early 60's) was found unexpectedly dead in her house. She was a nurse, so, I assume she was fully foxed. Nobody to ask if my guess is accurate.