Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 4

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[deng]

The first link is to a respiratory therapist who is on multiple medications including cardiac meds after getting the shot. A regular guy my age helping people breath. A short 1 and a half minute video sitting on the floor in what looks like his bedroom holding up his meds and saying don't do it. I'm pissed off. This is to close to home.

https://twitter.com/HiDearZaki2/status/1433348011212541954

And I'm going to put my job on the line since I think it's gone anyway and not sure I even want it any more at this point. I'm not a fan of anonymous posting. I've spouted a lot of opinion here and think I should stand behind them. This is a link to my LinkedIn page. What can they do, fire me? JMG can always send me a message through them for a reply to confirm.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennisgaudet/

Registered Respiratory Therapist

Company Name

_assachusetts _eneral _ospital-Boston
Dates Employed 2000 – Present
Employment Duration 21 yrs
Charge and staff therapist overseeing, coordinating and providing respiratory therapy staff and services to MGH's floors and ICUs, Shriners Burn Center for Children ICU, and Mass Eye and Ear. Provide all aspects of acute adult, pediatric, and neonatal respiratory, ventilator, and airway management. Pediatric Advanced Life Support instructor, Neonatal Delivery Room Team, Medflight transport team.

[deng]

What does the future hold for my RT friend?

Recovery? Worsening cardiomyopathy? Disability and premature death?

Who's liable? No one. The employer, manufacturer, and the government are all indemnified.

Now he can't work. He'll be terminated. If he elected long term disability during insurance open enrollment, if, he is looking at 60% payment of his base pay salary. No insurance. And the disability insurance is only until he qualifies for social security disability which I've heard pays $700-$800 a month. About $25 a day for the person at the hospital who helps you and your loved ones breathe. How cruel can our leaders and institutions be? Look around the world. These vampires have turned back to devour us.

[deng]

JMG - I just made Ernest Holmes my LinkedIn photo:)

Just punch in 'Dennis Gaudet MGH' into duckduckgo.

I don't mean any of this to be about me. It's just that I'm not BS'in and I'm taking a stand against this.

I went to my dentist this morning for a final check up in case I need any work before we loose our insurance. My wife is only 57 and has been against the shot before I was, credit to her. Anyway he had his 12 year old daughter there. It sincerely and deeply breaks my heart that if he hasn't already he will get her the shot when able. A wonderful man and our dentist for over 20 years. Since he first started.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay folks, I just have to share this one here....

I volunteer for a local historical society, and for that reason I'm signed up to receive emails from a national museum organization - they send around stuff like links to articles about museums, programs for people working or volunteering in the museum sector, etc.

So today I get an email from this organization, with links to various articles.

The first linked article is a "COVID Update", and the opening paragraph in the email (before you have to click a link for the rest of the article) says that while everyone had hoped that COVID would be over by now, it clearly isn't, and more variants keep popping up, many of which are more vaccine resistant. Also, here are some tips on what museums can do to help increase vaccine confidence....

The next article link down is titled, "The Global Decline In Religion", and cites data about the supposed decline of religion world-wide.

To sum up:
Article One: COVID is evolving to evade vaccines. Here's what your museum can do to help push COVID vaccines!
Article Two: Religion is going away. Everyone is getting less religious.

You really, truly cannot make this stuff up.

[stcathalexandria]

I work with people in the museum space and they are very progressive so I'm not surprised. I research in historical societies and academic libraries, also run by the very woke, and all are on the verge of mandating vaccines. I will have to close my business as a result. There is no safety reason for these mandates in the tiny local traffic spaces.

Jury Duty

[troyjonesiii]

Good(?) news: being unjabbed means you may be ineligible for jury duty in some places. I doubt the judge below is the first to dismiss potential jurors on the basis of vax status alone, but I think this case is considered newsworthy because it's in connection with the trial of Elizabeth Holmes, infamous baritone-voiced CEO of the now-defunct fake medical-device company Theranos:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-in-theranos-trial-dismisses-unvaccinated-people-in-jury-pool/ar-AAO2vVB?ocid=msedgntp

Yeah, excusing them from jury duty is how to punish the anti-vax crowd. That'll learn 'em.

Re: Jury Duty

[drhooves]

Maybe that'll learn 'em, and maybe "they" are trying to head off negative outcomes in lawsuits by stacking the juries with potentially sympathetic jurors.

Of course if ADE or other complications become a verified problem, then they'll be up a creek without a paddle.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometime when conspiracies and fate align things can happen. I am not saying it was intentional but it seems the spike protein concentrate also into the reproductive organs, wouldn't be strange if they cause wide spread infertility, so both the virus and the vaccine could theoretically cause infertility as any toxin accumulation into the organs would probably do.

Sometimes things aligning have long consequences. It's been speculated that one of the reasons Christianity had a so big push around 70AD was because Vesuvius erupting was seen as a punishment for the destruction of Jerusalem.

propaganda

[(Anonymous)]

I am so dismayed by the relentless propaganda (i.e. malarkey) of the mainstream media about COVID, vaccines, ivermectin. It feels like it's relentless and everywhere. I feel discouraged. Is there any way this can/will stop? What do people think?

Re: propaganda

[temporaryreality]

“I am so dismayed by the relentless propaganda (i.e. malarkey) of the mainstream media...It feels like it's relentless and everywhere.... Is there any way this can/will stop? What do people think?”

That the first step is to limit your exposure to mainstream media.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone saw the template news everywhere, Vaccine denier dead of COVID etc.
But it backfired like it always does people started to find a lot of obituaries of people that advertised their vaccinated status online.

Now the MSM backtracks and wants to makes the same practice they started as not to be used. How do I know, because Atlantic has a "remorse", yeah sure:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/stop-death-shaming/619939/

Confusion datapoint

[(Anonymous)]

A friend of mine, ex-neopagan now Christian pastor, posted a plea on her social media tonight for everyone to get vaccinated because her neurologist said there are no open Covid beds in the state and only 2% are vaccinated. I replied with a link to the regional public health authority's data page (they have been amazingly good about data), and the comment that as there are only 29 hospitalized patients in our region, the hospitals must be taking transfer patients. She replied "she must be lying". I asked if she meant public health, she said no, and I asked her to clarify, saying I didn't want to fight, just to understand, and I didn't understand. She hasn't replied.

Of course, far more than two percent are vaccinated as well, estimates are 38% have taken two vaccines, and another 5% of the population have taken one. But I didn't hring that up: for one, public health is releasing breakthrough case data (no idea how good it is, but they're sharing their numbers, which anyone who clicks my link will see) and for another, I didn't already have the the vaccination numbers bookmarked.

I'm rather sad about my friend, but for her I can always pray, so at least I can do something productive!

BoysMom

Unknown unknowns

[(Anonymous)]

I overheard my wife talking to her mother the other day about me refusing to get vaccinated, and she said something which stuck with me: "Well he's the one who'll regret it if he gets ill"

Now this got me thinking about why I didn't want the vaccine, and aside from a general distrust of anything which is being pushed on me, especially if it is theoretically free, and a certain stubborn streak, the answer came down to this:

I am less afraid of the known of the virus than the unknown of the vaccine.

The virus could kill me at worst, or at second-worst give me the long version for the rest of my life. In all likelihood it won't, as I'm young and in good health. This is (to quote Donald Rumsfeld), a 'known known', or at worst, a 'known unknown' (in that I don't know if/when I'll catch it, or it's specific effects, but I do know what it is and what it can do to me).

However the vaccines, all of which are subtly different, are all 'unknown unknowns'. No one knows the long term effects, no one can tell me how a specific vaccine will react with my body, and the list of short term side effects already reported is alarming (including death and disability, the same as the virus itself). No one can tell me whether the specific vaccine I receive has been manufactured or stored/transported correctly and has not degraded. (The mRNA ones particularly worry me, as they can only gurantee 60% yield, which means 40% of the mRNA is coding for something entirely random). No one can tell me for sure whether I have previously had the virus in question and if so, what effect vaccination would have on top of that. And lastly, I would still have the unknown of whether the vaccine would actually give me any protection from the virus! (And if I were to even ask these questions outside of here, there would be significant social consequences)

So actually, no, I don't think I will regret it even if I get sick, as there was never any guarantee the vaccine would have helped anyway.

I saw a good quote the other day as well: "I've never known a virus which needed so much marketing to convince people how dangerous it is".

And finally, thank you to JMG for repeatedly hosting this discussion group. This is seemingly currently the only sane place on the internet, and I really don't know what I would have done without this blog over the past year.

Re: Unknown unknowns

[(Anonymous)]

Beautiful! A thoughtful and intelligent analysis! It reminded me of my own reasons for not taking this jab which could be summarized as fear of the unknown effects and suspicions around the motivation for pushing them so relentlessly. This week in Ontario, the provincial government caved to the Karens (of both sexes) and announced that the unvaxxed can no longer eat in restaurants, go to bars and clubs, go to the cinema nor attend concerts. I suppose we should be thankful that they will still allow us to do food shopping - I guess they aren't ready to go full-on Nazi just yet. My kid and I are the only ones I know who have not been jabbed (and he is being pressured by his work) so I appreciate the moral support offered by your comments and this forum in general.

I have not been silenced

[(Anonymous)]

A new blog entry from Dr Malcolm Kendrick, one of the sane voices holding against madness makes for good reading about how there is no rational resolution to any of this:

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/09/03/i-have-not-been-silenced/

Solari Report Forms for COVID-19 Injections

[(Anonymous)]

Possible resource for people in US?

"NOTE TO EMPLOYER: As your employee, I request that you review this document, provide the requisite information, and sign the form..."

https://home.solari.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/sr20210820-FormEmployeesEUA.pdf

Fertility

[(Anonymous)]

I realise that this is potentially quite a volatile topic, but has anyone found any (good) resources around the vaccines and fertility that don't just parrot the party line of "there's no evidence that the vaccines can affect fertility"? I just want to know any information one way or the other to be honest.

So far all I've really seen is the information around the *potential* similarity of synctin(?) in the placenta to the spike protein, the fact that the mRNA vaccines seem to build up in the ovaries and the reports of tens of thousands of women having menstrual changes. All of which are alarming, but nothing conclusive.

My partner was vaccinated about 5 months ago, and we are looking to start a family soon, so this is potentially quite a significant topic for us at the moment.

Thanks for any info.

Re: Fertility

[(Anonymous)]

This and the ACE receptor are very different proteins that just happen to show some similarities in small portions of the sequence. There's no evidence that the spike protein, in natural infection or in the vaccine, affects fertility. Several months ago there were tens of thousands of women who have had the vaccine and then gotten pregnant, and who knows how many have gotten pregnant after covid infection. In fact, in the mRNA vaccine trials 23 women got pregnant during the trials even though they were being ordered to use birth control.

It's impossible to prove a negative - why, maybe 24 would have gotten pregnant if not for that vaccine! You can't prove that that extra woman exists, but you can't prove she doesn't. Fertility is never guaranteed, and about half the time (especially these days) difficulty is on the male side, so if you want kids, don't delay to start trying because of this sort of rumor.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought I would share a couple short vids
regarding what the shots do to the blood, and one about what was found in the shot.
Pics of what was found are included:

https://rumble.com/vldaex-vaxxed-patients-blood-examined-horrific-findings-revealed-by-german-physici.html

and one about what was found in the shots after
they were analyzed:

https://rumble.com/vlunsc-microscopy-expert-vials-contain-graphene-oxide-parasites-stainless-steel.html

More information seems to be coming out about
all of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, this is an urban legend. Someone sent a guy a vial of alleged vaccine with no provenance or proof of identity and it contained stuff that under the microscope he thought looked like graphene oxide. Graphene oxide is used in industry to make certain kinds of nanoparticles. The mRNA vaccines do contain nanoparticles to get the mRNA into cells intact, but they are made of lipids, not graphene oxide.

Vaccines increasing transmission?

[(Anonymous)]

One way in which the vaccines may already be considered a failure is the absence of any detectable effect on overall viral transmission and disease prevalence. In fact – seeing as Israel now has the highest daily infection rate on the planet despite being the first to achieve widespread vaccination and the first to embark on a booster campaign – we need to consider the hypothesis that vaccination might be *increasing* disease prevalence on a population level.

To date, all examinations of vaccine efficacy have compared disease outcomes in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people in the same population. For those not previously infected, it has been consistently true so far that vaccinated people are less likely to experience symptomatic disease, hospitalization, and death. That is, however, a fundamentally different question than the effect on population-level viral transmission and prevalence. While the dominant narrative has been that vaccination represents a personal risk for the benefit of the larger population, it is possible that the converse could be true instead: vaccination may provide a personal benefit (lower risk of severe illness) at the expense of societal harm (increased viral transmission).

The science of exactly how SARS-CoV2 is transmitted – and by whom – is one of the weakest links in our understanding of this pandemic. What is known is that it has a very high “dispersion” compared to influenza. While on average one person might infect two others, careful contact tracing has revealed that 10-20% of infected people are responsible for 80% of transmissions, while 60-75% of infected people don’t pass the virus on to anyone else. (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00406-0/fulltext) Transmission is thus largely driven by “superspreaders”, and there appear to be large individual-to-individual differences in the immune response to the virus that result in similarly large differences in the amount of virus released into the air.

The finding that the Delta strain is “twice as infectious” as previous strains is confounded by the fact that this is the first wave of illness to circulate following vaccination of a majority of the population in many nations. I would really like to see a comparison of Delta infectiousness across a number of different nations in order to tease apart strain-specific effects (it’s clear that Delta really is more infectious to some extent) and possible vaccination-amplification effects.

If vaccination is indeed increasing viral spread, it is worth considering the mechanisms by which that could occur, and I can think of two. The first is simply that by reducing illness severity without preventing infection, vaccination might increase the number of undetected asymptomatic infections, thereby increasing transmission. A recent paper out of the UK found a doubling of the rate of asymptomatic infection among vaccinated individuals, which would be consistent with this. (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext) The second is that vaccination might induce a partial immune tolerance to the spike protein. This could manifest as either an increase in the number of superspreaders or a decrease in the “infectious dose” required to induce viral replication among vaccinated people – either of which would have the effect of increasing overall viral spread among the population.

Waning immunity and/or immune evasion probably play into this as well, and I would expect to see differences between the different vaccines. Given that Israel is 100% Pfizer, and Pfizer features prominently in the US and UK vaccination campaigns, it would seem that this mRNA vaccine would be implicated. It would be helpful to know whether countries not currently experiencing a significant surge – like Scandinavia and Eastern Europe – relied more heavily on the adenoviral vector vaccines (J&J, AstraZeneca) or on inactivated-virus vaccines.

Science long ago decided to elevate experimental findings (and especially the lauded randomized-controlled trials) while devaluing natural history (seeking to describe and understand the world as it is). Over the course of this pandemic, this has created a blindness to the countless natural comparisons between masked/unmasked states/countries, lockdowns vs. no lockdowns, school closures vs. no school closures, etc. which have by and large revealed that our “experimentally-verified” interventions have negligible real-world effects. A similar blindness is now in force with regard to the epidemiological effects of vaccination, with lots of shrugged shoulders and “Delta is bad and will hit everywhere eventually”.

Mark L

Re: Vaccines increasing transmission?

[aldabra]

Third possibility: people who are vaccinated believe they are immune and stop taking precautions, so their chance of exposure goes up.

UK Govt Committee Recommends Against Vaccinating Kids

[(Anonymous)]

In a rare display of good sense, the UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) - the expert scientist body that advises the government on these issues - has just (today) decided *against* vaccinating healthy children under 16 saying the benefits would be marginal at best.

16 and 17 year olds are already being vaccinated though and 12-15 year olds with underlying vulnerabilities will also now be vaccinated, but the JCVI has said no for healthy under 16s (for now).

I'm not sure about the legalities - I think in theory the Government could overrule them, but it will be difficult politically after relying on The Science so much till now. I'm surprised the JCVI came out against it - there's been a lot of political pressure from Ministers to approve vaccinating 12+ year olds following the USA and most other major European countries, but it appears there are still a few scientists with a spine at the JCVI.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9955325/JCVI-WONT-recommend-giving-Covid-vaccine-healthy-children-aged-12-15.html

Re: UK Govt Committee Recommends Against Vaccinating Kids

[(Anonymous)]

Wouldn't rely on that common sense ... Posted something on this from the Independent but in short, this advice is very possibly going to be ignored by the UK government.

it's all the omens in the Tarot Card

[(Anonymous)]

I think the police had it's hanged man moment in October last year, when all the good will from people side was already used in several lockdowns, represented omenly and visualy by

Police officer gets stuck on fence by his pants and then has an accident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMapW93BpmU

Then the political and military class has a tower moment represented visually and omenly by

Lightning strikes Washington Monument in electric video | FOX 5 DC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-XUgF4Ira8

Afghanistan: 2 Men Fall To Death Mid-air From Plane Taking Off From Kabul While Fleeing Taliban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4Qvifu7D4&t=46
and the afghans falling from the skies

in this context I think is a bad idea for government to mandate anything.

Omens manifest in the language most used, I think the language most used in the West is Tarot.

And the medical and science is represented by an image that is often seen of people droping dead sudenly, and that is obviously the unamed XIII CARD, change is into this field.

Hopefully the first among many

[(Anonymous)]

Lex Fridman, a high profile podcaster, recently offered a psa for basic civil rights. He's been vaxxed, but supports people's right to choose. Hopefully there will be more like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7toBxR_fw

Everyone should read this

[(Anonymous)]

Hi all, I have read and listened and watched and had hunches about all this covid stuff since it be all began.
This is probably the best article I have read when it comes to a good overview of everything. It's a long read but absolutely worth the time.
https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html
Please take the time to read it
My own advice is: Stay as fit and healthy as possible.
Have a treatment protocol in place for how you will deal with it when you get it.
Number one in that protocol is to reduce your viral load by gargling 3 times a day with Betadine, Listerine or a few other options. Dr Mobeen on YouTube has good info on that. And get fresh air, don't stay cooped up in a stuffy room, re-breathing in the same infected air.
Accept that you will get it and be at peace with my that. Forewarned is forearmed.
Much more could be said about vitamins, cell salts etc but I'm sure you all know about that.
Take care, stay positive, laugh a lot, walk a lot, hug your pets, do those banishings and say your prayers!

Regards,
Helen in Oz 🙏👍🔥🌊🌬️🌲🌟

Re: Everyone should read this

[(Anonymous)]

Seconded.

Jay Pine

UK Government likely to ignore scientific advice

[(Anonymous)]

Looking likely that the UK government is going to go against the considered scientific advice from its own experts on vaccinating 12 to 15 year olds with current vaccines. Why does that not surprise?
More here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-teenagers-rejected-jcvi-b1913850.html

Jay Pine

(Original comment only said teenagers - this decision is for older children - those over 16 can already get a first shot in the UK if they so wish.)

Re: UK Government likely to ignore scientific advice

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting (by which I mean depressingly predictable) that suddenly "we must follow the science at any cost" has become "we must balance the science against all other factors", given how much ridicule was directed at those of us who suggested the latter approach in opposition to the original lockdown proposals.

NSW health minister in action

[(Anonymous)]

No need to watch it all

https://youtu.be/SlZgvY-zHI

🙄🤦🤦

[(Anonymous)]

At this point all this sound like the dialogue of the deaf
No amount of reason will end this as someone said on this thread
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1433738416986992666

Just say No

[(Anonymous)]

"The mutations that develop when the virus encounters vaccinated people will be far better armed to defeat the vaccine than the mutations that otherwise develop from far more diverse “wild-spike” and other viral proteins. So the more people you vaccinate, the more vaccine-resistant mutations you get, and in the vaccine “arms race,” the more need for ever more potent boosters."

So mass vaccination is driving ever more virulent strains of Covid and once you start vaxxing yourself you will never be able to stop with the boosters.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/sep/1/sorry-facebook-forced-universal-vaccinations-are-n/

PS: Mark L this is from Dr Malone's bio "Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug" and I don't think he is a liar.

Re: Just say No

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between vaccine-resistant, which is just a special case of "contagious", and more virulent. Viruses are a pretty pure example of the mechanistic model of evolution. Delta spreads better in humans, therefore infected people made more of it, caused more new infections, and just mathematically, after a few months of that there was a lot more Delta than original-strain. It's not clear that Delta is any more virulent, though, in the sense of an infected individual's risk of getting severely ill.

Take a virus that spreads aggressively, like measles (in an unvaxxed population). If measles could become ten times deadlier but spread one-tenth as much, that variant would never become dominant. To the extent that it feels natural speaking teleologically of the "wants" of a virus, it doesn't want to kill people; it only wants to spread. Evolution towards decreased virulence is more common, because dead hosts don't spread viruses well.

So, yeah, if everyone were vaxxed it would definitely be the case that variants that are different enough from the vaccine to evade hosts' antibodies would have a selective advantage. But if everyone had antibodies from natural infection, it would equally be the case that variants different enough to evade *their* antibodies would be favored. Either way, there's no reason to assume that those variants would also be more virulent. (Has the common cold or flu become deadly that way?) Increased virulence might indeed have costs that would hinder spread.

Also, it may be that the virus can only mutate so far to evade antibodies without worsening its overall fitness. Right now, it does a fantastic job of targeting the ACE receptor. How much can the shape of its spike protein change before it starts to become less good at that, and its overall R value drops?

[jenniferkobernik]

The first Resilience Club post (“Stock up on Necessities”) is up:

https://jenrichardson.dreamwidth.org/532.html

Heat as treatment

[ritaer]

I haven't read every entry in these posts so I don't know whether this has already been discussed. Apologies if it has.

Many natural medicine practitioners advocate the use of heat as an early treatment when one is coming down with 'a bug.' This would include hot baths, saunas or steam baths. Obviously a current difficulty with treating COVID 19 in this fashion is that not everyone has access to hot tubs or saunas, etc. Very few modern bathtubs in the U.S. allow total body immersion. In the U.S., the health clubs that have such facilities have been shut down in many areas, and even if they have reopened for exercise, may still have the sauna and hot tub closed.

Does anyone know of any statistics on COVID from nations, such as Finland, in which the sauna or steam bath is a regular part of many people's health routine? In other words, is there any evidence out there that taking such heat treatments on a regular basis may forestall COVID infection, or that taking such at the beginning of infection may lead to a milder case, quicker recovery, fewer long term effects, less liklihood of hospitalization or death?

Does anyone know whether Native American healers are recommending traditional sweat baths, and if so, with what result? Same for native healers in other areas that have traditionally used sweat baths for physical and spiritual healing.

I've been wondering about this since the beginning of the pandemic, but no idea where to go for information.

My mother told me that as a small child-she was born in 1931- she recalled the doctor telling her mother to put her in a bath as hot as she could stand, which was done. She thought this might have been a treatment for scarlet fever.

Rita

Re: Heat as treatment

[weilong]

Foot baths work pretty well. A bucket or some such in which you can immerse your feet to a few inches above the ankles would do it. Get the water as hot as you can stand it, and leave your feet in there for ten or fifteen minutes. If, when you pull them out, you notice that one foot is red and the other is not, put the foot that is not red back in the hot water for another ten minutes.

Another thing I do is pile on some extra blankets on the bed, put one of those hand warmers (the single-use kind that have adhesive on one side are best) in the middle of my back, and sweat it out overnight. An electric heat pad on the back works, too.

I don't have any experience with the 'rona in particular, but both of the above methods work very well for run-of-the-mill colds.

Some memes get right to the point

[(Anonymous)]

Some memes get right to the point

https://i.postimg.cc/nVGKtqM0/freedom-injection-meme.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/RVbHMdmQ/security-injection-meme.jpg

niko