Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 191
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ecosophia
We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.
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Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
civil war
Date: 2025-04-02 03:15 pm (UTC)Kunstler's commentaries had been quite hopeful over the last few years as he argued that the new government after 2024 election would deal with all evil-doers (Covid, Russia hoax, j6, etc.) using the legal system. Now he is saying that a civil war is inevitable.
A number of other writers from various western countries are coming to the same conclusion.
David Betz from King's college UK - https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west/
Zman - https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=33857
I also know a number of native-born Canadians, who are all ready to rebel and "take back the country".
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-02 04:55 pm (UTC)OP again. I saw this comment in an earlier thread and think it fits here.
One video I came across from a British professor discusses the nature of civil war in the context of UK. He says that the cities need extensive support system from the rural or semi-rural areas around them. So, people in the rural areas can cut those supports, and create havoc inside the cities. For example, the power stations of many UK cities are located unprotected in the rural areas. So, he argues that a small number of rural rebels can bring down the cities by attacking those power stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOR8NhL09JQ
For obvious reasons, he did not elaborate more on various other possibilities :), but he sees the fault line in UK as rural versus cities. This may be different in the US or Canada.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-03 12:31 pm (UTC)But I think they would find it harder for a couple of reasons. First, while U.S. city residents are more dependent on the rural areas than people in many foreign cities, in particular because less food is grown in or around urban areas, U.S. rural residents are also far more dependent than country folk globally upon manufactured products and services that are either made in, or imported through urban areas. Most ruralites have no desire to return to local subsistence and would rapidly be upset if the shelves of the local Mall-Wart emptied out because throwing cities into chaos cut off their supply lines. Second, in America there are so many guns that, even if urbanites are relatively quite under-armed, they still have more than enough rifles in most cities to kit out a militia. A city's residents could respond to large-scale attacks on their population by putting together similar mobs to defend themselves, and could invade and seize nearby farmland if its current holders did not voluntarily deliver food.
Of course neither urban nor rural militias could stand up to the U.S. military in open battle. Rightist rural militias have always envisioned themselves overthrowing the government. Now that people who largely share their beliefs are in full control of the federal government, I can't see why they would risk their own lives to commit violence rather than just standing back and watching.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-03 03:00 pm (UTC)Maybe you are thinking it wrong Mall-Warts emptied because of CW rather than the CW starting because the Mall-Warts are emptied by a combination of other reasons, Tesla like moral-panics and other type of "peaceful protests", energy shortages, tariffs gone wrong, hyperinflation, etc.
While tariffs may be good to implement you must make sure first that you restore the industrial capacity to make your own.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-03 11:20 pm (UTC)Of course famine victims in other countries are usually not armed to the teeth and highly entitled, like we Murcans are. That can make a difference, maybe.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-04 08:28 am (UTC)I don't think Gaza and Sudan are good examples, why:
- The people that are starving are usually women and children. Men join armies or gangs. The men that are starving are usually old. There going without food is socially acceptable while running amok is not socially acceptable. In US is the reverse running amok is acceptable while going without food is not socially acceptable.
- People in US have no previous experience with starving.
- People in US are used to high protein diets, that makes you aggressive short term when you don't get food.
- People are not in best shape and cannot go without food, that will make them feeling like they have nothing to lose pretty fast.
The most violence in US is when people get their fast food 10-15 minutes late. This is nowhere in the world. Thousands of cases. Shootings in fast food venues with people killing over a hamburger or a cheeseburger dozen of cases. Nowhere in the world.
The problem is that the Social and Cultural collapse in US is in advanced stage. But I think it's in the future the way US is NOW, it won't happen at least this year and the next, as I said around 2027 is another matter. And as I said before we won't see Trump as a president anymore from February 2028, so exactly the election year... The following years will make these "bussy" years (2020-2025) seem peaceful.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-04 08:29 pm (UTC)Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-05 08:56 am (UTC)We all have seen how even the extremely poor the homeless once they had the occasion they weaponized themselves very fast, burning bushes, etc.
That's why you don't mess with the social structure and cultural structure so much, basically they fracked these structures with social media, and afterwards with AI for the last cent. If tight oil is an example, fracked fields are not only declining fast, but a lot of the times can be also dangerous.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-03 11:12 pm (UTC)https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2174805-k--4
Save it locally, one day it may be memoryholed.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-05 08:22 pm (UTC)But I think there’s a scarier scenario where the very people whom operate, maintain and repair our infrastructure become so disenfranchised from wider society that they just stop bothering to show up. We may be a few thousand frozen bank accounts away from a cascading failure of the whole system.
A union member could make the wrong donation to the ‘wrong’ cause saying it’s from his union brothers as a whole. There by getting their bank accounts all frozen by idiots in the political class causing them to just not bother to show up for work. Any 24/7 facility needs 3-4 full shifts of the right people with the right skills 365 days a year.
What if everyone who is supposed to keep the lights on says eff it and goes and gets drunk instead?
If ‘’they” don’t even bother to pretend to pay you then why bother to even “pretend” to work? Lying flat working class style might be wildly destructive to BAU.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-07 04:53 pm (UTC)Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-02 05:41 pm (UTC)I don't know about UK but about the US Empire I have three models, one based on ancient Rome, one based on Soviet Union, and one model that is sourced in peak oil.
The Ancient Rome based model shows things will begin in the second half of 2027 in earnest. In this model the strife will last at least 18 years... with a short lived rebound in about 30 years (a decade or two or so)
The Soviet Union based model shows that things will begin in earnest at the end of 2026, in this model struggle will take at least 20 years with a possible rebound in 23 years that may last relatively to how much steam that rebound has.
The Peak Oil model anywhere between tomorrow and the second half of 2026 at the latest. In this model I cannot see beyong 2026
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-07 05:06 pm (UTC)Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-03 11:54 am (UTC)Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-03 03:03 pm (UTC)I can talk about Romania who was a Soviet Satellite and now is a NATO Satellite. And Romania looks in worse shape for collapse than Romania in 1989 by all indicators, especially the health of the population and the resilience in the rural communities.
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-04 08:31 pm (UTC)Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-04 09:45 pm (UTC)--An emphasis on public transport vs. automobiles
--A more tightly clustered layout for most housing vs suburban sprawl (and the resulting need to drive everywhere)
-- A very imperfect food system had already encouraged widespread gardens outside at country dachas, which were common
--Predominantly public employment vs predominantly private
--Families frequently living together w/ three generations under one roof, vs widely dispersed, isolated families
--Personal connections and social capital were much more important than money in USSR, these longstanding connections were very helpful during hard times.
--Nothing like just-in-time inventory, so there was some useful "slack" in supply chains
--Medical care that focused on basic primary care in public clinics
It's taken twenty years or so, but I believe I'll see his vision come true in the next few years.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: civil war
Date: 2025-04-05 07:47 am (UTC)People from Russia were selling that stuff in Romania for years, a decade I would say.