Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 191

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Re: civil war

[the_arcane_archivist]

would rapidly be upset if the shelves of the local Mall-Wart emptied out

Maybe you are thinking it wrong Mall-Warts emptied because of CW rather than the CW starting because the Mall-Warts are emptied by a combination of other reasons, Tesla like moral-panics and other type of "peaceful protests", energy shortages, tariffs gone wrong, hyperinflation, etc.

While tariffs may be good to implement you must make sure first that you restore the industrial capacity to make your own.

Re: civil war

[(Anonymous)]

American survivalists usually assume that when things get bad, people form wolfpacks to go kill other people, take all their stuff, and probably butcher and eat them. Fast-collapse novels here feature good wolfpacks, containing people in some fashion like the author, nobly defending themselves by slaughtering the bad wolfpacks made up of people less like the author. But evidence from a lot of Third World famines is that when times are bad, most people act pro-socially, and when they're actually to the point of starving, most are quite passive. (People have starved to death in both Gaza and Sudan quite recently without ever forming zombie hordes to run amuck.)

Of course famine victims in other countries are usually not armed to the teeth and highly entitled, like we Murcans are. That can make a difference, maybe.

Re: civil war

[the_arcane_archivist]

Of course famine victims in other countries are usually not armed to the teeth and highly entitled, like we Murcans are. That can make a difference, maybe.

I don't think Gaza and Sudan are good examples, why:

- The people that are starving are usually women and children. Men join armies or gangs. The men that are starving are usually old. There going without food is socially acceptable while running amok is not socially acceptable. In US is the reverse running amok is acceptable while going without food is not socially acceptable.
- People in US have no previous experience with starving.
- People in US are used to high protein diets, that makes you aggressive short term when you don't get food.
- People are not in best shape and cannot go without food, that will make them feeling like they have nothing to lose pretty fast.
The most violence in US is when people get their fast food 10-15 minutes late. This is nowhere in the world. Thousands of cases. Shootings in fast food venues with people killing over a hamburger or a cheeseburger dozen of cases. Nowhere in the world.

The problem is that the Social and Cultural collapse in US is in advanced stage. But I think it's in the future the way US is NOW, it won't happen at least this year and the next, as I said around 2027 is another matter. And as I said before we won't see Trump as a president anymore from February 2028, so exactly the election year... The following years will make these "bussy" years (2020-2025) seem peaceful.

Re: civil war

[(Anonymous)]

You may be right. I'm not sure we've ever seen the collapse of a country whose people were so lacking in experience of real hardship (except the poor or the very old), so convinced that wealth is only their just deserts, and so widely armed with military grade weapons. I am still inclined to think running amuck will be the exception, but I could be unpleasantly surprised.

Re: civil war

[the_arcane_archivist]

experience of real hardship (except the poor)

We all have seen how even the extremely poor the homeless once they had the occasion they weaponized themselves very fast, burning bushes, etc.

That's why you don't mess with the social structure and cultural structure so much, basically they fracked these structures with social media, and afterwards with AI for the last cent. If tight oil is an example, fracked fields are not only declining fast, but a lot of the times can be also dangerous.