Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 139

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

Long long ago I tried to explain to somebody his options for dealing with a significant problem. He had three choices (I knew a fourth but didn't mention it). He didn't hear a thing I said. He was trapped in fear. Rolling in it. Like soft drink carbonation filling his head.


Maybe fear was the omniscient (sort of-but not to us) factor in all this. Still though that doesn't explain everything.

Re: Theories?

[slinky_weasel]

I think they were scared. All the news, nearly every bit of information, told us there was a highly-contagious, deadly virus afoot and we should be scared!!!

Some of us smelled a rat from the get-go, some realized it later, and many still believe it (and/or don't want to think about it). But I think FEAR accounts for a huge proportion of the common people's behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot of respect for Kunstler, so the fact that he brought Geert onto his podcast made me take notice and listen in. However, Geert was on record saying the exact same thing, that we should expect a tsunami of deaths from the folly of having vaccinated most of the population during a pandemic, and he said all that a long while ago. As I recall, Geert was saying this at the start of the jabs roll out. And while a lot of people have died since the jabs roll out-- I do not debate that-- it wasn't like what Geert was predicting. So to me Geert is a bit of a Chicken Little (the sky is falling). If it hadn't been Kunstler's podcast, I would not have taken the time to listen.

My rough summary so far:

First, waves of deaths from covid that turned out to have been mainly caused by medical malfeasance (neglect, refusing early treatment, refusing to test and treat for bacterial pneumonia, and the covid protocols with ventilator, sedation, and remdesivir);

Second, deaths following the jabs from anaphlyaxis and thromboses (both of blood clots and white amyloid clots);

Third, some weeks or months later, turbo cancers;

Fourth (and this seems to be what Geert is predicting we'll see much more of) some weeks or months later fatal infections (that the jabbeds' immune systems cannot handle having been disordered by the jabs).

To date I know people in all 4 categories. Many categories 2 and 3. So, is Geert right, will we see category 4 turn into a tsumani of death? Well, I just don't know, and I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

I have been following the discussions around the hypothesis and initially, it seemed plausible because something changed in people I knew. I see Ari's comment about the trifecta of psych experiments and can say that I definitely saw a lot of that at play but there was still something else.

It's like people were hypnotized. Maybe it is all human and I've got a blind spot but I saw such oddness during the height of it, it seemed to come from nowhere. Maybe it was just latent human nature all amped up in a psych experiment but it felt otherwordly to spend a year talking to people who would just repeat whatever they heard on the TV news and not just the minority that did that before but everyone seemed to be in a haze. The only people who I saw read through the lines were a few religious and a few real oddballs (I am in both categories).

Is it possible there was some kind of non-demonic enchantment? Quite a while ago people were talking about putting metal or pins on electronics to break enchantments. Is it possible we had an enchantment via all the electronic means? If TV and internet had been non-existent, much of this wouldn't have happened.

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

I've had people try to make that excuse to justify terrible behavior during the worst of the psy-op. ("But people were so afraid!")

I never had the presence of mind to ask calmly in reply, "Which participants in horrible acts in various mass psychoses were not afraid?"

All of them were, I expect. That's how it happens

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're bang on target, ari ormstunga.

Cetiosaurus

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

Last weekend I was surprised to find a friend of my wife visiting when I came downstairs. (She'd stopped by to ask for help with a project matching my wife's expertise.) Both she and my wife had been wholehearted supporters of the foxes back when the propaganda organs were blaring loudest; both have medical backgrounds and still believe in the medical industry.

Seeing her was somewhat awkward, given some covid history, so I said almost nothing and just listened. The friend related the medical woes of a middle aged relative -- "idiopathic cerebral hypertension," including persistent double vision, vision loss, and involvement of the 6th cranial nerve. And when leaving, she casually dropped the news that her wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer.

I mentally added both people to my running list of vax side effects in people we know. My first search on openvaers.com found over 150 instances of "cerebral hypertension" after the cooties vax. Neither my wife or her friend showed the slightest inclination to connect the dots or even to ask any questions. It took me under five minutes to do that search.

I bit my tongue, and didn't say a word. It's too painful for them to contemplate that they've been so duped. The usual trusted authorities said it was safe. So thus must it be so. Their world collapses otherwise.

Taciturn Cassandra

Re: Theories?

[ari_ormstunga]

Advertising in and of itself can be regarded as a form of malefic enchantment. Giordano Bruno has a lot of say about the sort of chains a magician can use to bind people. I'm sure there were a lot of astral currents that caught people up in chains of fear and desire. The people who did it may or may not frame it as malefic magic, but it surely was.

Basically, the desire to be an officially approved, socially sanctioned "good person" is a heck of a chain, and threatening people's ability to move freely and be officially employed was a pretty good stick to use to take that away. I think a lot of middle-class people got caught up in a sort of status panic.

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

The guy I was talking to was motivated by fear to find a way out of the situation he was in. But he was paralyzed by fear and unable to think clearly.
The fear motivated him to THINK OF expressing what he didn't want but prevented him from imagining a rope ladder or way out. Very weird.

My thoughts flash to a grandparent who might have used the word 'gumption.'
Or, in the vernacular, 'the guy's got no b_lls.'

I think, just to segue to the current situation, that people didn't imagine the movie of their life could be violently intruded upon by 'the pillars of civilization.'
Think of how many people still believe Stephen Colbert is both astute and comedic. Now there's a guy with no b_lls!

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

A friend said to me, very early on when he found out I wasn't injected, 'Just get a couple shots.'
I'm like, 'whaaa?'
He's like, 'Just get a couple shots...'
Then he tells me more Republicans than Democrats didn't get the shots...
I'm like, 'I'm not a Republican OR a Democrat...'

So - prove you're 'one of us.' Prove you're on the 'good side.' Prove you're not 'one of them.'
Still - quite a crazy line of logic to follow regarding putting something (unknown) in your body.

[(Anonymous)]

I was on a busy streetcar tonight in a big city. While it is good to see the rush hour levels busy again they are still not at previous levels.
However at looking at people it just 'felt' wrong. They did not look well.
Not well at all.
I still think it is possible for the bottom of the bucket to fall out and I'm certainly not prepared in any way shape or form for any of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Instead of the demon hypothesis, I am wondering if the alternative hypothesis is the cosmic eclipse theory, because it would explain the general craziness without a particular malign actor.

What do the numbers say?

[fredsmith11]

Quick comment on Jim K's and GvB's postulations.

To-date I feel reasonably confident in the ABS' raw death figures. If I look around at who's dropped dead, they seem about right.

The excess death rates here are trending down and holding at around 10-12% for now. Booster uptake has dropped off a cliff and only the truly brainwashed are still partaking.

So unless Disease X gets traction and a new round of vaxxes are rolled out (and some say that's the WHO's/WEF's plan) I don't see a mass die off. Even then, I don't think it will work like they expect - they're morons so nothing ever does. The human immune system is just too adaptive (see JMG's recent article "The Laughter of Wolves" https://www.ecosophia.net/the-laughter-of-wolves/).

Justice? I'm not holding my breath, too many compromised participants in the bureaucratic system. As an example see this post about Musk suing the Aust Gov over free speech: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13258303/Elon-Musk-Australian-government-eSafety-Commissioner.html

Note the "Australian E-Safety Commissioner" Julie Imman-Grant is on $445K per year and "Ms Grant serves on the World Economic Forum's Global Coalition for Digital SafetyExternal link and, in 2020, was appointed by the Davos-based organisation as one of the world's most influential leaders revolutionising government".

In the meantime, every day brings new calamities for the elites and a smile to my face.

[kimberlysteele]

He should probably walk back that "200 percent sure" comment while he still can. There is a die off now. Ambulances every day, multiple times a day on my way to work. It used to be one per week before MRNA vaccines. Nevertheless, it's a tide, not a tsunami. People who took the MRNA vaxxes are dying sooner than they normally would, but it is not dramatic. If I had to guess, I would say it is shaving 5-15 years off of vaccinated lives on average, so an average of 10 fewer years per vaccinated person. The scenario is terrible for economic growth, yes. Even a Spanish flu level die off would not collapse civilization in the way he describes.

Re: When the going gets weird

[mr_nobody1967]

Probably everybody else in the meeting was thinking, "Uh-oh, our team-leader has gone good and fruit-bat crackers!"

[(Anonymous)]

i'm bracketing this post with this question:

my question: if he's still nauseous when he comes home tomorrow, can you put medications like our ivermectin and fenben, rectally (as with a bulb), and have them absorb? does anyone know?

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so James is on hospice in the hospital while i get the house ready for the hospital bed.
they couldn't leave their hands off him, so while i got him to eat an entire 4-egg scramble with cheese, brussel sprouts, spinach and garlic on sunday, he was the next day distended from me feeding him when he's constipated.

they took the faster breathing as a sign of cancer pain so they started giving him morphine and then adavan and some other stuff. his brother and i say NOOOO! but they don't care. we had to spend hours begging for fluids but their "comfort care" has them withholding liquids while giving whatever drugs THEY ,the "experts," deem necessary.

y'all, this system is going DOWN.

so while a couple of us quietly thought he just looked like he was sleeping, they had to intervene so that he does seem as if he's dying. the morphine makes you nauseous so now he won't swallow, which conforms to their "he's dying! cannot swallow!" narrative, when the other nurses said he COULD SWALLOW and that's why they doubted the docs' idea of James' imminent demise.

so when the one nurse got a gold star for noticing him breathing heavier from what i insisted was constipation, they brushed that aside for HE'S NEAR DEATH! WITHIN HOURS!

so the apartment's not ready but i don't care. Mikey, his brother, and i are just about getting him HOME.

they have "tranqued" up James and now he's too nauseous and drugged up to care. they've stopped feeding him when i just fed him a huge Easter breakfast... THEY MAKE THEIR PREDICTIONS OF DEATH REAL!

and even Mikey now admits he thinks they keep messing with us (James has to leave NOW! or you pay $1000 a day! Medi-cal has run out!... or the next day NO Hurry! Relax.... then MUST LEAVE NOW!), and the doctors are like children. when they lie they say we were "mis-communicating."

i see how covid 19 debacle happened all over the place. they all consider each other well-respected "experts" (read: career networking) and they have no honor or think for themselves. they've taken the liberal do-good ideal and cracked its neck, leaving it to flail about in the corner.

thanks again for being a touchstone, all of you here, to Reality. i could not have navigated this insane medical hell without the tutoring/tutelage of many here.

and the thing is, they only know how to layer DRUGS. there's nothing about sleep, eating well...

OH! the nurse who liked me and told me they had "notes" on us all and i was the "non-committal girlfriend," she said they don't have full-fat milk for James because they're all about low-fat/no fat.

i asked WHY? when it's so much better tasting? she agreed... and then she leaned in closer to me and said, "the less fat you have the less likely it is to spoil."

meaning that it seems she's saying the medical industry advocates the low-fat/no-fat diet because it comports with their bottom LINE.

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my question: if he's still nauseous when he comes home tomorrow, can you put medications like our ivermectin and fenben, rectally (as with a bulb), and have them absorb? does anyone know?

i figured i'd ask here in case the lack of morphine doesn't fix the issue and i'd be ready to switch, because i wasn't able to get his secret medication inside of him today.

erika

Re: Ivermectin scare

[stubborn_ass]

From the various snippets I've seen, GVB doesn't even mention VIM.... so yes, the poster is deliberately conflating a few different things. Proabably working on the principle that more bullshale confuses people.

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

Hear Here. Thank you.

I find this explanation far superior to most others that i have heard and it ties in with JMG's incompetence and malignancy theory seamlessly.

~Wolf

Re: Theories?

[scotlyn]

"In the face of all the psychic pressure, lots of people just folded."

Lots... it is true. But let us never forget... not ALL, never ALL!

This has been a hell of a psychological experiment, with many, many casualties. But I think it is useful to point out, and take some comfort in, what has been a fairly convincing demonstration that you really canNOT fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting observation!

I live in a famous University town in England. In the months following the mask mandates, it was tragic to see so many of the students with nasty face rashes, often extending over even the forehead - clearly, mask-damaged.

Then this went away. But this academic year the same rashes were very visible among the new intake, who would have worn masks all day in school during mandates when teachers ( a class of people I have never held in very high esteem) lost all common sense.

My impression is that this is most pronounced among females.

Related to the 70% or so of vaxx-injuries being among females? Who knows.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a 'Tsunami of Death' but the latest report on vaxx adverse events in the UK shows people who only had one or two of the initial AZ shots are now dying only now.

[(Anonymous)]

Louisiana Senate Unanimously Passes Bill to Block Control of UN, WHO, and WEF in the State

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/louisiana-senate-unanimously-passes-bill-block-control-un/

Re: Ivermectin scare

[(Anonymous)]

Rintrah has always struck me as a hypochondriac. Geert a drama queen who can't bear to be wrong.

Having said that I share our host's mood - 'bleak'.

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

Demons are not essential to explaining this behaviour.

1/ They acted out of great - induced - fear.

2/ They are not observant, like most of humanity.

3/ Most people only see what they want to see anyway.

Re: Theories?

[(Anonymous)]

Such people will never know the strength and liberation that comes from admitting 'I was foolish, and I was fooled'.