Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 139

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Geert did an interview with Kunstler.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1774850233052356947

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/this-is-not-an-april-fools-gag/

[(Anonymous)]

It's possible. For a while I kept noticing a bunch of skin rashes on my coworkers after the first couple years of mrna rollouts and then at some point they mysteriously cleared. Now the splotches and sores are coming back with a vengeance even though most of them stopped taking the shots. According to the GVB hypothesis that sounds like immune system failure due to T-cells getting reprogrammed to fight long dead strains, leaving all the other dormant diseases to run amok.

Maybe GVB is overstating things to get our attention, but based on my observations I can easily imagine an outbreak of something like measles wiping out a lot of people I know.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting observation!

I live in a famous University town in England. In the months following the mask mandates, it was tragic to see so many of the students with nasty face rashes, often extending over even the forehead - clearly, mask-damaged.

Then this went away. But this academic year the same rashes were very visible among the new intake, who would have worn masks all day in school during mandates when teachers ( a class of people I have never held in very high esteem) lost all common sense.

My impression is that this is most pronounced among females.

Related to the 70% or so of vaxx-injuries being among females? Who knows.

[(Anonymous)]

There was something dodgy about those blue masks. I had to wear them for some hospital appointments in 2021/2022 and got weird raised spots behind my ears, on and below my nose and on my cheeks and lips. They took ages to go away and it was only colloidal silver that really removed them in the end, after 6+ months of treatment. This was from maybe 8 hospital visits? Fortunately, my work allowed us to use our own masks, and only when not sat at our desks, so I had a super-thin cotton one my wife made me. The hospital workers though? They had to wear them every single day, on top of the jabberoonies.

I have noticed quite a few colleagues with nasty face rashes that won't heal even now though, and we've not had to wear masks in over 2 years. I remember the media calling it "mascne" (clumsy portmanteau of mask and acne), as though your whole face breaking out in a rash is a perfectly normal thing to happen.

I also live in an English university town, for reference - though probably not such a famous one!

[(Anonymous)]

There's always been something dodgy about those blue masks. Specifically, they're full of chemicals that can cause irritation, and some people are more allergic than others and some masks are worse than others.

My mother was a nurse. I remember how when they switched brands of masks one time, she got severe "macne" (mask acne). As I recall, she and some other employees had to buy their own masks in a different brand until they convinced the hospital to switch back, because more people than usual were having reactions to the masks. And remember that people experiencing skin reactions were also breathing through those things and inhaling who knows what. Masks have always had issues.

While I think masks have a limited place in certain settings - there is definitely something to be said for keeping spit out of open wounds during surgery - they are not risk free. Imposing them on the general public, as well as on medical personnel in non-surgical settings, was not only pointless, but also came with health consequences.

[(Anonymous)]

They probably have the same stuff as bandaids.

Geert Vanden Bossche

[ecosophian]

I have read Kunstler's post. It is concerning, especially considering JMG's astrological forecast. However, I believe Geert Vanden Bossche is being overly dramatic in his predictions. While I believe a lot of people have been injured by the vaxx, I don't think we're going to see a mass die-off. Time will tell, I suppose, but people have been predicting a world-ending catastrophe for as long as I can remember.

Re: Geert Vanden Bossche

[(Anonymous)]

I think this depends on what is meant by "mass-die off". I still think a scenario where 50% of the vaccinated are dead 10 years from now remains uncomfortably likely; and that a scenario where over 95% of them are dead in 10 years still remains in the realm of possibility.

It would be a major die off, with massive implications; but it might not involve anything we'd recognize as a "mass die off", especially if, as seems likely to me, the number of people vaccinated is really much lower than the official numbers.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot of respect for Kunstler, so the fact that he brought Geert onto his podcast made me take notice and listen in. However, Geert was on record saying the exact same thing, that we should expect a tsunami of deaths from the folly of having vaccinated most of the population during a pandemic, and he said all that a long while ago. As I recall, Geert was saying this at the start of the jabs roll out. And while a lot of people have died since the jabs roll out-- I do not debate that-- it wasn't like what Geert was predicting. So to me Geert is a bit of a Chicken Little (the sky is falling). If it hadn't been Kunstler's podcast, I would not have taken the time to listen.

My rough summary so far:

First, waves of deaths from covid that turned out to have been mainly caused by medical malfeasance (neglect, refusing early treatment, refusing to test and treat for bacterial pneumonia, and the covid protocols with ventilator, sedation, and remdesivir);

Second, deaths following the jabs from anaphlyaxis and thromboses (both of blood clots and white amyloid clots);

Third, some weeks or months later, turbo cancers;

Fourth (and this seems to be what Geert is predicting we'll see much more of) some weeks or months later fatal infections (that the jabbeds' immune systems cannot handle having been disordered by the jabs).

To date I know people in all 4 categories. Many categories 2 and 3. So, is Geert right, will we see category 4 turn into a tsumani of death? Well, I just don't know, and I'm not holding my breath.

[(Anonymous)]

I was on a busy streetcar tonight in a big city. While it is good to see the rush hour levels busy again they are still not at previous levels.
However at looking at people it just 'felt' wrong. They did not look well.
Not well at all.
I still think it is possible for the bottom of the bucket to fall out and I'm certainly not prepared in any way shape or form for any of it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a 'Tsunami of Death' but the latest report on vaxx adverse events in the UK shows people who only had one or two of the initial AZ shots are now dying only now.

[kimberlysteele]

He should probably walk back that "200 percent sure" comment while he still can. There is a die off now. Ambulances every day, multiple times a day on my way to work. It used to be one per week before MRNA vaccines. Nevertheless, it's a tide, not a tsunami. People who took the MRNA vaxxes are dying sooner than they normally would, but it is not dramatic. If I had to guess, I would say it is shaving 5-15 years off of vaccinated lives on average, so an average of 10 fewer years per vaccinated person. The scenario is terrible for economic growth, yes. Even a Spanish flu level die off would not collapse civilization in the way he describes.

[(Anonymous)]

This more or less tracks with what I'm seeing and what the all-cause death rates seem to suggest.

People around me seem to be dying at a faster clip, and it seems to me to be noticeable and yet not quite dramatic enough to really raise alarms. There definitely seem to be more fatal heart attacks and strokes than there used to be, but the increase is moderate and mostly among older people with co-morbidities. (From what I've seen, it seems like people whose heart attacks wouldn't be too surprising given age/health are all having massive fatal hearth attacks instead of survivable ones, while the number of people having chest pain and going to the hospital and recovering seems to have declined to the point of non-existent. It's like heart attacks have gotten worse?) There have been a few shocking deaths (by blood clot or heart attack) in the last few years among younger people in my wider circle, which were attributed to "just one of those freak things" - but again, not enough to really catch people's attention. One healthy middle-aged person I knew died in his sleep for no apparent reason - but just the one that I've heard of. Cancer diagnoses, both new and recurring, also seem to have modestly increased.

From what I've seen of all-cause mortality data, it's a similar story - death rates are going up, but at a modest pace. And it's hard to figure out how much is due to an aging population and how much due to something else. Nobody in the mainstream media seems to want to investigate the data, of course.

[stubborn_ass]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68700993

24 year old English-capped female footballer who hasn't been able to play for over a year after getting a stroke. Elite level athlete since young, getting a stroke. Higher profile folks like her can't be fully censored away, like normal folks. But can and will be buried by search engines you use.

I was in the neuro-wards of the top local govt hospital last year.. 1 in 6 beds was a patient in their 20's or 30's. That is definitely not 'normal'... and sure, they're not dead yet, just like the English footballer, so they're not in the mortality stats, but who's looking after them, can they still do any meaningful productive work?

It hasn't caught attention because the average normie just wants NOT to see it. Egon Fisher related a spiritual dream he had, where a person in a crowd literally died suddenly and the crowd just ignored it. He was very angry at the callousness of the crowd.. but that is the situation we are in now. If those normies were actively detoxing from the shots, then yes, I think the health and economic situation can be quite amerliorated. But 90+% are not. As we've seen from accounts here and elsewhere, as someone's health situation deteriorates, the tendency is to go into a deer-in-headlight mode... then rely on the current medical system, the same one that poisoned them, get gaslighted and lost precious time.. and even if they figured out the right therapies to use, the damage done is often too severe to reverse. The search engines are so corrupted now that if they tried to do their own research, there's too much deliberate misinformation placed online and people get confused by all the conflicting "studies", as designed.

[(Anonymous)]

Zounds! Good points about information.

The 'information highway' seems to have a lot of highwaymen at the rest stops!
Then when you get back on the road it goes in circles.


Is this Egon Fisher the artist you mention?

[stubborn_ass]

Egon is a german spiritualist/medium. He was strongly advised by his 'spiritual advisors' to start a substack to share about the visions he's had, his conversations with his 'colleagues' as he called them. For every acton there is a reaction, hence for all the evil that we've seen, there are countervailing forces if one is aware of certain things that are or have happened. There is still free will, so the information is not provided to allow folks to financially profit, but to have a bit of a heads up and mentally prepare for the various things that will be occuring. I'd say his track record overall has been pretty good, in terms of predictions, and much of the stuff he's said has 'synched' with me..

He wrote a substack about a month ago, explaining that he had been very reluctant to share the info that the wave of dying will start in earnest this summer and extend to 2027. He didn't want to create more angst and fear, but again was advised that the folks who are more centered will be able to prepare a bit better for what's coming. Ties in to the "tsunami" that has been talked about here, fwiw.

Part of the discussion was about how our souls exist in a dimension where it knows in advance that it may have done irreparable harm to the humanly body for this cycle. Thus the decision is made to 'celebrate death' by going all out in terms of pretending that everything is ok, back to normal, taking more of the same holidays and then saying sayonara when it happens. In a way, that really explains a lot of the behaviour around us, that determined insistence of trying to conduct business/life as before, even as all the societal underpinnings are being kicked out from people's lives. Also the dogged resistance to doing detox to the shots... the souls of those folks have given up for this cycle.

For me personally... the impact of his words had a very strong ring of truth to it. Bawled me over for a while, as I had been feeling it at the edge of my consciousness, but had been deliberately NOT thinking or mulling over it. But given that it's happening, one has to make the necessary preparations. Like whatever I need to be repaired or fixed, it's best to get it done ASAP as the manpower and skills shortage will become extremely obvious in that timeframe. Don't get anything too complicated that I can't fix myself... those are more of the practical aspects.

People like my kids need to be more emotionally and spiritually prepared... so getting them to read more esoteric stuff and having discussions on and off, and use the obvious vex injuries that we're seeing accumulating around us as starting points for what comes next. Physically get everyone as healthy as possible etc. And also continue to heed the guidance I'm receiving and experimenting with various therapies, which will be very useful to all the folks who make it past the coming bottleneck.

[(Anonymous)]

I am afraid you missed what he is saying. He is arguing that the virus is guaranteed to mutate to a form that will cause the tsunami (of death), and it will make the concern about adverse effects insignificant in comparison.

[kimberlysteele]

Sure, I get that. But any virus is guaranteed to mutate and we cannot guess what form it will assume. Geert von Bossche has fallen prey to the Apocalypse Meme. Kunstler is a bit prone to it himself. He has written at least 4 novels in a series about a sudden collapse of industrial civilization, so I am not surprised he went all in on a hyperbolic prediction. He spreads the news he wants to hear. The Apocalypse Meme is the usually product of people who cannot bear to deal with their own fears and failings in direct contemplation. Yes, the vaxxed all may have a version of AIDS (though some most likely got saline or inactive MRNA). I believe I personally memed the term VAIDS or vaccine-acquired AIDS into existence in 2020. People with AIDS/VAIDS can live long and productive lives. Human beings are easy to sicken and hard to kill, and many of us are willing to work until the day we croak.

[(Anonymous)]

People with AIDS can live a long time as long as they don't take AZT. That's a whole different trip down the Faucci hole.

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly what I see, and I recall being one of the early ones on here saying that it would be almost impossible to sort the signal out from amongst the noise in terms of cause. As in, is it covid after effects, vaccine injury, or both, or something else related to an aging population.

That certainly seems to have come to pass, and whilst it's certainly a relief over a mass die off, it doesn't take a big move of the dial on mortality to have a major long term effect on population.

Interestingly, I mostly know vaccinated young people, and I haven't seen any deaths or significant sickness. Same for myself and my family (all vaccinated, but wouldn't get any more boosters), no significant sickness. If anything every time we get additional covid it's getting more mild. It may mean we are lucky, or it just hasn't got us yet, hard to know.

[(Anonymous)]

People have a mistaken perception about what a tsunami actually looks like and how it plays out. A tsunami looks a lot like a tide that just keeps rising and rising and rising.

[(Anonymous)]

That's an interesting point. Tsunamis also look quite indistinguishable from the surrounding ocean's waves for however many hundreds of miles they may need to travel over the deep ocean. Not until all of a tsunami's massive potential energy, dispersed throughout the vast columns of water it travels through in the deep ocean, gets concentrated into much shorter columns of water as it approaches a continental plate does the tsunami become visible to the naked eye.

Then, once a tsunami's energies do begin getting compressed over a continental plate, at first they just look like that tide that keeps rising and rising and rising. By the time it is indisputably recognizable as a cresting tsunami, the time for taking any appropriate precautions is already long past. Being able to identify an approaching tsunami before it becomes visibly obvious is a life-saving talent.

Those of us who saw this deluge for what it was before allowing ourselves become test guinea pigs for Big Pharma are truly blessed. We will still have to deal with cleaning up and salvaging whatever destruction this wave may cause on impact, but at least we didn't mindlessly throng to the water's edge, firmly convinced that our destruction could only descend on us from the highlands. Hopefully we were over-cautious and there will not be too much decimation. I would much rather be laughed at for running needlessly uphill than be cried over for having been swept away in my unquestioning ignorance.

— Christophe

[(Anonymous)]

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[sinners4diseasecontrol]

Nice analogy!