Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 97
Jun. 13th, 2023 01:55 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2023-06-13 06:14 pm (UTC)Christophe - https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/235880.html?thread=41570664#cmt41570664
By saying this:
Apologies, and thank you. And, to be fair, when I asked in my own comment, "where's the outcry [curiosity, fear, annoyance, speculation, research]" (which is what I'm actually still wondering) I did make injudicious use of the word "weapon"...
All the same, I do hope people wonder, and speculate, and test, and talk about, potential answers... which may well include some of what you have said... but which, in any case, are necessary to understand well, so as to lead to better prevention and response.
In any case, be well. And blessings on all your goings and doings.
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Date: 2023-06-15 01:52 am (UTC)It's nice to see my fellow forumistas being human to each other, instead of raging and casting slurs like they do in all the other places that I lurk around, but don't participate in.
A little island of calm and sanity in a world of polarized ideologues venting spleen at each other, and at anyone who dares to suggest that anything other than their dogmatic orthodoxy might be true. Pick your issue, and that's how it is.
I think you'd all be quite the people to meet.
Bless you all.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2023-06-15 03:34 am (UTC)The Cleaner Air Spaces Act, a copy of which was obtained by Axios, directs the Environmental Protection Agency to provide grants of up to $3 million to state and local air pollution agencies and community organizations.
Each cleaner air program would be required to provide a minimum of 1,000 filtration units to low-income households with vulnerable residents.
The programs would also be required to provide educational materials on setting up clean air rooms and to advertise the public centers during wildfires.
thankfully, it was followed up with this part:
The Republican-led House Natural Resources Committee is marking up two bills on Tuesday aimed at improving forest management – reducing the amount of brush that serves as fuel for the blazes.
i will leave it up to you to ponder which course of action will be taken.
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Date: 2023-06-15 04:01 am (UTC)It’s so obvious to anyone willing to pay any attention that our age of one-ring-to-rule-them-all-styled hegemony is way back in the rearview mirror at this point. Alas, those who grew addicted to the goodies that vending machine could once offer them can no longer pay much attention to anything except kicking their broken vending machine in the hope that something new may fall out of it. I do believe our PMC quislings may have inadvertently launched a brand new cargo cult. “If you kick Progress, the Great God in the Sky, hard enough, he’s sure to keep delivering us all the vending-machine goodies we demand. So go ahead and kick that failing hegemony harder!”
You know, I think that might be turn out to be the most concise theory yet to explain the entire self-goal of the Ukraine war. “Kick our dying hegemony! Kick it harder! It has to keep giving us goodies, dammit! Build airfields out of vines and coconuts for F-16’s to land on, bringing us Progress’ goodies!” At this point, I’m just happy that our clueless élites are kicking the whole rotten edifice down on their own, whatever mythology they may happen to be using to justify their tantrum of creative destruction.
— Christophe
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Date: 2023-06-16 04:45 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-16 07:35 pm (UTC)I am thinking that people who lost homes in fires, especially if those fires appear to have anomalous features, might begin to investigate, and create the same kind of underground "outcry" if only to begin to make some sense of what happened to them.
That is what I will be keeping an ear out from here on in. What are people saying about what they themselves have suffered.
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Date: 2023-06-17 01:26 am (UTC)"I'm sure if bears killed 20 million in 3 years and injured hundreds of millions, and it was to be expected for everyone to be attacked by a bear two to three times a year forever, we'd definitely be (fracking) talking about bears."
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Date: 2023-06-13 07:16 pm (UTC)https://expose-news.com/2023/06/10/cdc-covid-vaccination-causes-133x-risk-of-autoimmune-heart-disease/
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Date: 2023-06-13 10:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 01:42 pm (UTC)The paper does say that the post-vaccination rate "exceeded" the background rate, but never seems to say by how much. I would love to see who DID derive the increased rate, and from which dataset. It may be that the necessary data is all contained somewhere within that paper, but if so, I could not spot it.
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Date: 2023-06-13 07:17 pm (UTC)https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/here-we-go-white-house-upholds-mask-requirement/
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Date: 2023-06-16 05:13 am (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlnVP2_dIb4
some of us are wising up. will it make a difference? i guess we will see.
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Date: 2023-06-18 12:42 pm (UTC)I would have used the phrase "punishing wrong-thinkers", but same idea. Masks make no difference and the unjabbed, who probably all have robust natural immunity by this point, are surely safer to be around at this point than the jabbed who seem to keep catching the cooties over and over, but it doesn't matter.
I've said from early on that first masks and other cootie theater, then the jabs, were all acts of performative virtue-signalling, loyalty oaths, and badges of allegiance to whatever you want to call it - The System, The Religion of Sciencism, the Good People. Those who dissent must be punished. The unjabbed are dissenters, ergo, they must cover there faces in obsequence to their betters.
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Date: 2023-06-14 09:06 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 05:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 07:05 pm (UTC)This will clearly be an objective and impartial inquiry. .....
One only sees a few people masked in the streets and shops these days, and they tend to look rather ill, above all now summer has truly begun.
What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-13 07:20 pm (UTC)I live in a hyper PMC area and here is what I am seeing: all of the vax damage is being blamed on COVID. That is what the doctors tell people when they go in with heart, autoimmune, eye problems, etc. They say, oh we are seeing a lot of this associated with COVID. Those who got the shot don't have to admit they were wrong to get the shot and the pharmaceutical companies can keep on doing what they are doing. The PMC all got COVID and believe all their problems came from COVID and it would have been worse without the shots. The shots could never cause any problems, that is just impossible. It is COVID that causes problems, just COVID.
And that is where we are. I think that is where we will stay. There is never a reckoning -- at least, I don't expect one in my lifetime. Now, if people get hungry, there might be a reckoning of some kind. But from what I am seeing, criminals like Fauci and all the rest will keep raking in the cash and those that took the shots will suffer, and so will their families who have to care for them and lose them. I have come to the conclusion that they only thing that gets through to people is if we get short of actual food.
So my opinion, that last stage will never come... and for the people who got the shots, maybe that is okay because they never have to admit they made a mistake.
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Date: 2023-06-13 11:30 pm (UTC)Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-14 11:20 am (UTC)Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-15 06:48 pm (UTC)There is much to be said for walking away.
“nobody did anything.”
I very much object and disagree. People these days seem to have it in their mind that if an actual physical battle didn’t happen then nothing happened.
The trucker convoy.
The Supreme Court throwing out vaccine mandates.
The fact that we now have access to the court records and facts that Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 75 years.
The various governors that stood up for individual rights.
The individuals who were forced out of work and found other ways to survive and are now not returning like good little lemmings to a parasitic and abusive corporate hierarchy.
Was it perfect? Of course not. But it was a lot. A lot of things got done and a lot of people were involved. We are currently winning this war. They are desperate and not very effective. Busily trying to convince themselves that without them the whole thing falls apart. It isn’t true.
So while I respect your frustration, the branch Covidians never acknowledged they were wrong or apologized, they just changed the subject. That absolutely doesn’t equate to “nobody did anything.”
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Date: 2023-06-16 10:10 am (UTC)You make great points! You are right, people did do things! For myself, I left a job over the mandates before they could fire me. I had been at that job over 20 years and I took a substantial pay cut in the move. Best move I ever made. I am impatient and need to think about all the people who have stood up, myself included. In my PMC area, I spend too much time around Branch Covidians in work and family. Thanks for pointing out the good that happened, it helps!
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Date: 2023-06-14 12:18 am (UTC)Dad: "We get there when we get there. Now shut up and enjoy the apocalypse!"
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Date: 2023-06-14 02:21 pm (UTC)Mom: "I told you we should have collapsed sooner"
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Date: 2023-06-14 08:00 am (UTC)Over here, many people plan to take the next booster, which will be offered in the fall.
Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-14 11:57 am (UTC)From last week:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/235880.html?thread=41573480#cmt41573480
In short, I think by year-end 2024, the distribution will be such that we will still have
(1) true believers (jabs safe & effective, take all), and we will still have
(2) those who, albeit with some hesitancy for some jabs (maybe skip that 7th booster), still believe that the jabs are "safe and effective" / best do what the doctor says / mandates are necessary and good. Injuries are just long covid, or the usual random whatever, etc.
But these people will no longer be in the majority, not by year-end 2024.
I think we will see a much larger group (3) quietly, privately, questioning and getting very anxious and upset about it all.
Those who did not comply, and are pissed, that group, (4), tiny in PMC World in 2021, will grow to more substantial size (albeit still a minority) and, crucially, they will be far better organized politcally than they were in 2021.
If that fourth group help can get even a small number of medical freedom candidates into office it could quickly tip things into a new direction. In politics, at least in the US with which I am most familiar, a small number of representatives, sometimes only 1 or 2, turns a minority into a majority, and all the parliamentary advantages that that implies.
Relatedly, RFK Jr.'s campaign is going to froth up / short-circuit / discombobulate a lot of people's minds, and nudge / shove / parachute drop many people from groups 1 and 2 into groups 3 and 4.
Such is my rough sense of where things are headed in US PMC world as of June 2023.
Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-14 05:28 pm (UTC)To me, he is the only variable (at least as far as I can see now) that could bring about this potential “reckoning.”
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Date: 2023-06-14 07:43 pm (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z59vaHQ3zPE
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Date: 2023-06-15 04:02 pm (UTC)Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-15 05:19 pm (UTC)But that doesn't seem to be a requirement anymore.
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Date: 2023-06-15 06:19 pm (UTC)Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-15 08:24 pm (UTC)That doesn't mean I think his campaign is futile. If he can get his ideas out there enough this time around then he may be in a very good position for a 2028 run when the situation will likely have changed quite a bit, and other political candidates may come on the scene in state and local elections taking similar positions to RFK Jr. His campaign has a lot of potential to begin to break the left/right binary and give voice to a third option that's been growing for some time (consider how Joe Rogan has millions of listeners) but hasn't broken into politics yet. While I don't agree with all the views of this loose alternative movement that has formed, I consider it a whole lot better than the mainstream left or right.
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Date: 2023-06-14 02:52 pm (UTC)I suspect we'll never get the truth, and that's kind of depressing.
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Date: 2023-06-14 03:04 pm (UTC)The medical community, focused on acute respiratory failure and cytokine storms, doesn't think that either long Covid or vaccine side effects are a major issue, but if those long-term chronic issues are caused by a different mechanism than the acute respiratory effects, then they don't get picked up in the study designs. And because we're essentially doing Phase IV clinical trials live on the whole population, it's nearly impossible to find an unvaccinated, uninfected group to run long-term trials on anyway. Anyone who still fits both criteria is certainly not going to be volunteering as a test subject!
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Date: 2023-06-14 04:51 pm (UTC)Not that I'm making any medical recommendations, of course, nor is he. He's just been an excellent source of commentary and elucidation of covid research.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: What stage are we in...
Date: 2023-06-15 12:57 am (UTC)I stopped trusting the news as a kid after I realized how stupid I'd been for believing the story where Hussein's army troops threw test tube babies onto the ground in the lead up to "Operation Dessert Storm". Since then I have only occasionally looked at the news, and usually just out of morbid fascination with how useless it was being. It has surprised me how much faith people put in it to this day!
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Date: 2023-06-15 04:18 pm (UTC)It seems to me significant that the lockdown/masking/quaxxine related damage has been, and is, being concentrated on the same group of people as the ongoing damage being concentrated by the queer theory/trans activist fiasco: prepubescent and pubescent kids.
I’ve spent probably too much time researching the history of horribly failed ideas such as the lobotomy craze that maimed tens of thousands of vulnerable people (which occurred within living memory).
All kids rebel against some varying aspects of their parents’ ideologies.
What I see is an entire generation of Americans whose parents and authority figures forced not just one entire gallimaufry of bad ideas based on truly breathtaking hubris; but two.
The same kids who were, and are, damaged by the covid fiasco; are the same group of kids who are being damaged by the gender fiasco.
(Please note: I am not pointing an accusing finger at any individual experiencing dysphoria. I refer to an unfalsifiable ideology whose application, on its own, shows concrete evidence of harm on human childhood development)
Again, all kids reject some parts of the mindset of the adults that built their world. In times of crisis, that rejection can be severe. The leading edge of this group is only a short few years from voting age.
My prediction is that some percentage of them are going to be very, very angry at the adults that not only allowed all this to occur, but actively encouraged it, and did their level best to shut down any and all dissent.
I wonder how many of them won’t be satisfied with policy change and will demand retribution.
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Date: 2023-06-15 06:25 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 07:31 pm (UTC)"That's interesting. A psychic friend of mine remarked that after his second jab his crown chackra was closed and that it took months to open it up again. I also came across an interview with another psychic lady who mentioned that after the second jab her etheric body collapsed ad that it took her a lot of work to build it up again."
Lassoing that forward so I can reply to it:
As disturbing as these reports are (he was replying to a discussion about a psychic who reported that the vax was evicting people's souls from their bodies-- they were still tethered, but not in their usual location and took some work to get them re-seated in the body), particularly read alongside Rudolph Steiner's talk about blood demons, I find it very encouraging that the condition doesn't seem to be permanent, or irremediable.
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Date: 2023-06-16 10:48 pm (UTC)Prescient Posts
Date: 2023-06-13 07:41 pm (UTC)"Maybe some people of this group access 4-chan. I never have, nor do I plan to. However, I have it on a good authority that one of the weirder posts on 4-chan is dated September 4, 2019: it is simply one line – “Do not accept any vaccination that will be released for a deadly virus in the winter of 2020.” It is anonymous. Some vloggers drew attention to it in late 2019. Maybe stuff like this is as common on 4-chan as rain is in Ireland, but in case it’s not…
Ron M"
...I'll add this from Aussie17's most recent doozy of a substack:
https://pharmafiles.substack.com/p/the-evolving-covid-narrative-emerging
"Let me share something that has been troubling me for a while. In 2019, I was still employed by one of the manufacturers of COVID vaccines. During the middle of that year, while our department was working on the travel budget for 2020, we received a directive from higher-ups to cut our travel budgets by 60-80%. Having worked in the pharmaceutical industry for nearly 20 years, this was the first time such a thing had occurred. I can't help but wonder about the timing of this significant travel budget reduction, just before the entire world went into lockdown. It seems like someone already had knowledge of what was going to happen."
There's lots to peruse in that particular rambling post. I'd say he's "Mood:grim" this week, too.
Re: Prescient Posts
Date: 2023-06-15 02:36 am (UTC)Ron M
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Date: 2023-06-13 07:42 pm (UTC)Simply put, someone was talking about a series of workings they had been given access to by people who despised Trump; and that at least some of these workings included "and may all who ever support him die". These were apparently widely disseminated in the part of the occult community that person was part of; with the typical confidence that everyone agreed with them that so many people with severe TDS show.
Someone else then came up with a way to monkey-wrench these with the intention that anyone who cast that working and then supported Trump, on anything, would die. I wonder if someone else, maybe even several other people, might have thought of something a little broader, and used some of the workings in the Magic Resistance in combination in order to strengthen this intention to make it target all Magic used against Trump; I can see a few ways to do it myself, and worry about what people who have more training and more interest in this might have come up with. This was back in 2018; so it clearly didn't activate right away.
Fast forward to early March of 2020, and there were people in both sides of the aisle supporting both taking drastic action and doing nothing about Covid, and a huge number of the really weird and troubling elements of what would happen next were confined to the fringes, or did not even exist yet**; but within days of Trump’s declaration of a national emergency on March 13, suddenly everything went haywire in a stunningly rapid and bizarre fashion. I’d attributed it to the fact that once such an emergency was declared people panicked, but it always seemed like there was more to it than that.
Trump’s still pushing the vaccines, and a huge number of people seem stuck on this issue, unable to see the reasons it's dangerous and unnecessary. The only two people I know who were involved in the intersection of alt-right politics and occultism also heavily agree with Trump here, and are adamant about vaccines being needed in order to save lives. Both of them questioned the medical industry heavily prior to this, so it is a sharp about face, and has me wondering what is going on here.
All of this is taken together suggests an uncomfortable hypothesis: what happened starting out in March 2020 was that the workings aiming to use the ones aimed at causing any who supported Trump to die to make it such that anyone who used magic against Trump and then supported him would die lay dormant, waiting for a trigger.
These were all suddenly activated in March of 2020 when Trump declared a national emergency over Covid, to the cheers of many in the left, and so these workings found the most convenient way to earth out, and kill the people targeted, and this is why things got so weird, and why the vaccines were so rushed, shoddy, and absurdly poorly tested. This is also why so many people who opposed Trump were so eager for these vaccines, and why the Magic Resistance, and so much of the occult community in general, got dragged into this mess.
JMG,
I hope you don’t mind this quasi-Magic Monday question, but does the above hypothesis seem plausible to you?
*https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/16587.html?thread=558283#cmt558283
**This is not to say the response up to this point was sane. However, it was not confined to the left like it later would be, there was at least the pretence of cost-benefit analyses, and many of the more drastic steps, like banning anyone from seeing anyone they were not living with, or closing all schools, were dismissed as impossible, absurd, and dangerous, even by Governor Cuomo as he launched one of the most dramatic responses outside of China.
However, within days of Trump's declaration of a national emergency, suddenly all of those were being put in place, and the supporters did not seem to notice their sudden about face.
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Date: 2023-06-13 11:28 pm (UTC)However, as someone from outside the US, the fact that he is seen as some sort of saviour is baffling. That view applies here too though. I remember being at the anti-jab demos in Canberra and chatting to Aussie ex-military guys who were calling Trump the "President of the free world". WTF?
Either he was duped with COVID and the jabs and can't bring himself to admit it, or he's just another controlled opposition figure.
Biden vs Trump represents the ultimate Hobson's choice and is symbolic of how broken the Western political system is.
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Date: 2023-06-13 11:47 pm (UTC)That would explain a lot of what I am seeing in my circles.
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Date: 2023-06-14 05:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 12:59 am (UTC)Well this settles into my brain making a horrible kind of sense.
I've been questioning for a while now why so many of the pagans/occult-types/witches/etc I know and those in the broader circles I travel in have been so...easily taken in by this whole psyop, to this day supporting it with mandatory C19 vaccinations for in-person events.
Similarly, a lot of these folks I know were the types to question the medical establishment and pharmaceuticals. Even those who needed to take pharma drugs for certain reasons would still question Big Pharma on the whole; now if I say "Big Pharma" they call me a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
It has been truly baffling to me, the about-face. Your hypothesis sounds plausible to me, at least as one part of the puzzle.
(Note: I'm in Canada, but TDS levels up here are similar, as is an obsession with US Politics. I go so far as to say our national discourse has been poisoned with it, to the point where many Canadians aren't even aware of what's happening in our country because they're so invested in what's happening to the south of us. If they are aware, they parrot media talking points that paint everything up here in similar colours as in the south, as if we only have 2 sides and one is Bad.
The pagan-types I know up here are generally no exception to this problem.)
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Date: 2023-06-14 03:01 am (UTC)I've suspected for quite a while now that the stunningly inept use of evil magic by the Magical Resistance was behind a lot of what's going on. This may well be part of that.
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Date: 2023-06-14 03:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 05:13 am (UTC)Do you think the people who cast such workings are likely to end up dying as this plays out?
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Date: 2023-06-15 08:57 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2023-06-14 04:25 pm (UTC)Given all this, I'm profoundly troubled by the fact that a disturbingly large fraction of the alt-right dove into the Covid madness...
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Date: 2023-06-14 06:37 pm (UTC)For the Resistance themselves, COVID is itself the blowback. Something Progress was supposed to have "beaten", something that can't be easily contained or controlled - the best shot at doing so would have been, very early on, to shut down the borders... but that, you see, would have been racist.
For the freedom-loving alt-right monkey wrenchers, the response to COVID - i.e., the lockdowns and mandates - were likely the blowback, in much the same way that their monkey-wrenching was their response to the Resistance.
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Date: 2023-06-15 11:54 am (UTC)It actually wasn't too bad, in fairness - he came across as a sleazeball, but they had some very good writers on there (Paul Gottfried, Keith Preston, Jack Donovan, and Andy Nowicki all spring to mind).
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Date: 2023-06-14 06:10 pm (UTC)Dear gods what a mess....
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Date: 2023-06-14 03:42 am (UTC)Thank you for pulling forward this old Magic Monday thread... wow.
The whole thread is stunning. It reads like it was all written yesterday, but this conversation occurred a whole year before coronavirus ever hit the streets, to say nothing of the shots. The foreshadowing is Hollywoodesque.
-- Cicada Grove
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Date: 2023-06-14 05:03 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 04:47 am (UTC)"You wish for great death? It will be accomplished, my master."
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2023-06-14 04:40 pm (UTC)If there were dark forces involved, perhaps they were called upon by Gaia? The group that is hit the hardest aligns with the group that guzzles up most of Gaia's resources, aka the PMC-class in the first and second world countries.
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Date: 2023-06-14 07:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 07:46 pm (UTC)Australia, Canada, and Europe got hit pretty hard by the blowback because those countries were full of people casting spells to try to interfere with American politics using magical methods, which were calling for the destruction of foreign powers interfering in American politics...
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Date: 2023-06-14 08:51 pm (UTC)Funnily enough, though, I don‘t think I‘ve ever read anything about the covid response in North Korea… :D
Anyway, if anybody can explain how the effects of TDS and the related workings could create such madness in such a variety of countries, I‘d love to read about it - I simply can‘t imagine how this could have worked.
To me, this was the weirdest thing which creeped me out the most: how so much of the world went completely bonkers in lockstep. That, together with the creepy vibes from this whole episode, makes me think there was something „non-human“ behind this all. But whether TDS and the response to it played such a major role… dunno - but I‘m open to explanations if anybody has them. :-)
Milkyway
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Date: 2023-06-14 10:37 pm (UTC)Speaking of Astronomology
Date: 2023-06-16 05:15 pm (UTC)https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar
(plug in the date in the "UTC" field; a "Size" of 500 shows things clearly)
I had not heard anything about it online; all the hooraw was about the upcoming Grand Mutation in December.
At the time I had the sensation that a massive cosmic door had pivoted on its hinge and things were going to be very different from here on out.
- Cicada Grove
Re: Speaking of Astronomology
Date: 2023-06-17 07:47 am (UTC)Still, your sensation, and your reading of it, is a good data point. Thank you.
Re: Speaking of Astronomology
Date: 2023-06-17 03:24 pm (UTC)I feel this pretty much every day now! Lyrics from an 1971 Carole King song rise up all the time: "I feel the earth move under my feet, I feel the sky come tumblin' down". 2020 was a turning point year of great magnitude. It began with a bang with the Saturn/Pluto conjunction, then an extended Jupiter/Pluto conjunction, culminating in the Grand Mutation on the winter solstice. Another famous song title from 1957 also seems apt: Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On!
Thanks for the interesting link.
Jim W
Re: Speaking of Astronomology
Date: 2023-06-18 01:02 pm (UTC)I periodically - like, it will happen 2-3 times in the course of a few days, then not for a while, then 2-3 times in a few days again - get a sensation that I can only describe as being hit by a mild earthquake tremor (or two) in the absence of any seismic activity. It's like something shoves me sideways, like you would feel as the tremor moved through and the earth itself jerked. It's a fairly mild, but very strange sensation. When it first happened, I used to ask other people if they had felt "a mild earthquake" and try to look up seismic activity on line, but nobody ever knew what I was talking about and I never found any seismic activity reports. (I live in an are with low seismic activity, and have never experienced more than a mild earthquake a few times in my life.)
Either I'm having weird full-body hallucinations, or there is something "else" going on that I'm sensing and which can't be explained by mundane means. Like I'm physically sensing a shift on another plane, maybe? Like something is shifting and settling into a new place, and I sometimes sense the jolts?
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 10:56 pm (UTC)Here's how this works as I see it: in every country, there's an elite class that sets most of the policies and cultural thinking for said country. In plenty of nations, this elite social class is at least partially bought off by the American Empire; in some cases, they could survive but would lose an enormous amount of the perks they currently enjoy if the empire goes away; in others, they're dead without the ongoing military and financial support of the US. Even in countries such as Iran and Russia, where the social classes that run things at the moment are not tied to the US in this fashion, there are almost always competing power centres which are, and which would, if given a chance, happily take over. These are extremely vulnerable, since without the constant military, financial, and propaganda support of the American Empire, they are uncomfortably likely to end up dangling from lampposts, and even if they avoid that fate, their current perks depend on supporting Washington in local power struggles.
One of the core mechanisms by which the empire functioned was by the creation of new dollars, which could be used to gobble up huge amounts of overseas wealth, which was only possible without catastrophic inflation because a rapidly increasing amount of international trade was done in US dollars. This is why "free trade", where an ever increasing fraction of economic activity requires international trade, is so important to the empire: it's the means by which these dollars can be sent into circulation outside of the US, and thus can be created without causing a hyper-inflationary episode.
This constant outflow of dollars though caused a major economic imbalance in the US, and one side effect of this was the destruction of the factories and other manufacturing jobs which used to provide the working class with a huge percentage of their jobs, and a very large portion of the well paying ones. This played a massive role in plunging millions of Americans into poverty, and in depriving millions more of their ability to support their families without taking handouts; this is a very big deal to a lot of working class people: the inability to support a family without needing assistance has caused major psychological trauma to a lot of the working class.
Trump went on the offensive here, and, perhaps aware of what he was doing, perhaps not, started attacking the core of the American Empire's wealth pump; take free trade away, and the ability to print dollars on demand goes away; the end result would be the collapse, or at least drastic reduction, of the empire. This would result in a massive realignment, not just within the US, but around the globe; and this would see plenty of people who currently hold power suddenly lose it in dozens, if not hundreds of nations, and the core of the empire (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe, Japan, Taiwan, Israel) very suddenly lose a lot of international power and with it a lot of wealth; for at least two of these, this would in fact be an existential threat.
This meant that the elite classes around the world had every incentive to fight it, but there's a bitter irony here: their self-image said that they should be fighting for their own nation, and in many cases their home country has been ruined economically by free trade. In fact, one of the more brilliant elements of the American Empire is the way that since each nation raised its own elite class, they could reliably be counted on to fight each other, and try to push more of the costs of the empire onto other countries, instead of their own.
Suddenly faced with the fact that their interests were not aligned with those of their countries, and faced with the prospect of needing to defend a system that, up until this point, many of them had been fighting because of the damage it did to their own countries', the elite classes worldwide suffered mental breakdowns. TDS thus set in in not just in the US, but around the globe as people suffered meltdowns due to the cognitive dissonance associated with Trump; especially once it became clear that his rhetoric was not just bluster, but that he intended to try to keep at least some of his campaign promises. Meanwhile, since the US has spent decades using vast sums of money supporting "Progressive" movements around the world, there's a lot of support for the sort of magic which the Magic Resistance did, since the neo-pagan movement was, until quite recently, widely considered "Progressive".
The end result is that a huge number of the Magic Resistance workings were performed all around the world; and it seems likely to me that when they earthed out, they would have earthed out not just in the US, but in every society where the elites were involved with them. This is also, of course, also ignoring the very real possibility that other groups used magic of their own to try to attack Trump; which merely tosses in another wild card into the game.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 09:05 pm (UTC)Really head-scratching. But if you postulate some sort of enchantment, it perhaps makes a bit more sense.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-16 04:06 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-16 06:05 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 04:48 am (UTC)So many mythologies place all the chthonic powers of hell deep inside the earth that Gaia can come across as being hellish herself. She’s not though. If anything, she’s more the gatekeeper, keeping all those chthonic forces underneath her from imbalancing the world by surging up all unrestrained. Were she weakened, more of those forces could then escape to wreak havoc, but she’s not going to call them up herself. That would go against her nature, and, given that she IS nature, that would pretty much be the universe going against itself.
On the other hand, Gaia in her divine balance is perfectly willing to work with other balancing forces, such as Karma. The resource guzzling PMC-class has had some rather interesting karma coming its way for a very long time now. Maybe Gaia just thought it was high time for them to enjoy the fruits of the harvest they had so enthusiastically sown behind themselves with nary a thought for the consequences. I rather doubt that it would have taken much arm-twisting to get Karma to go along with her, if Gaia did decide the time for harvesting was ripe.
— Christophe
nakedcapitalism
Date: 2023-06-13 08:54 pm (UTC)I was checking the regular sites and hit nakedcapalism. I do like the commentary from "IM Doc". But he is only on infrequently.
But the stuff I saw in the daily water cooler was the epitome of Covid hysteria. I realize I have to not go to that site anymore -- life is too short and I think they are legitimately nuts
If people on here frequent the site -- and notice a im doc post -- can you ping this thread? Or send me a dreamwidth message?
thx!!
Jerry
Re: nakedcapitalism
Date: 2023-06-14 08:18 am (UTC)Every month or so I google "im doc" site:nakedcapitalism.com, then click on Tools to narrow the search to the last month. That gets me up to date with what the good doctor’s saying. And it’s amazing how much of what he says goes against the COVID advice of Ives’ trusted experts. It’s too bad she doesn’t realize they’re bad actors.
Re: nakedcapitalism
Date: 2023-06-15 08:39 pm (UTC)Re: nakedcapitalism
Date: 2023-06-15 08:42 pm (UTC)thx again!
Re: nakedcapitalism
Date: 2023-06-16 01:09 am (UTC)https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/06/200pm-water-cooler-6-1-2023.html
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 09:05 pm (UTC)Oh, and the really weird part is that I've had trouble breathing through my nose for years (busted it when I was younger) until this happened, but now I can breathe easily. I got a bug that.... fixed my nose?
Has this been happening to anybody else? I'm pretty skeptical of the "spike shedding" concept, but maybe this is it?
Sawdust
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 07:59 am (UTC)I'm truly amazed how un-contentious these shots have become. There's some media here at the moment about kids getting hospitalised with flu. All the articles end with these very low-key paragraphs about how there are safe shots to prevent all these illnesses- covid, flu, rsv - and unvixenated people are at great risk. Yeah, right.
When do we get new governments? Is it soon?
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 04:52 pm (UTC)I have to disagree with Geert on this one. In my country there are thousands of people with Long Covid, and many of them got it before the vax, or are still unvaxxed. Many of them in their 30's or 40's or even 20's.
It is an exceptionally debilitating condition and the worst cases can barely get out of bed. The gaslighting by the medical profession is just as much true for them as for the vax injured.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 07:48 pm (UTC)b) What makes you so sure it ties to Covid infection and not something else? Long Covid would make a great cover for a lot of things...
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 09:35 pm (UTC)Long Covid I interpret as "I'm sick from some unidentified source".
There are a squillion environmental and dietary toxins that accumulate and can make people sick. It's a difficult combinatorial challenge to narrow down to a specific cause when you're living in a chemical soup.
If they were already living in a toxic environment, the impact of the Covid spike could be enough to tip them over the edge. Ditto high exposure to EMFs e.g. 5G recently turned on.
Really what I'm saying is that people don't realise how toxic the typical urban environment is and at some point people's bodies cannot deal with the broad spectrum attack.
There's a big community of alternative health practitioners that make their living from helping people detox and get well.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 10:07 pm (UTC)I don't doubt there is such a thing as "long covid"... it's just, long drawn out post-viral illness isn't a new thing. I once took two months to recover from the flu. In my twenties! It was just an awful year, my immune system was tanked, and that year's flu was a doozy. Just about any virus going around will do that to a certain percentage of infectees, given the right circumstances, same as you get people who suffer a very very long time, or even repeated bouts of chronic illness, from epstein-barr, strep, bordetella (found endemically in a huge percentage of chronic bronchitis sufferers), and other fairly common pathogens. If you just look back at older biographies, it's quite common for people to get ill with something and then take months to recover, if they ever fully recover. There used to be really stringent rules for what to feed people who were recovering from illness (clear broths, a boiled egg every day...), because recovery was serious business. Now if you can't go back to work in 3 days that's abnormal?
So I'd like to know if "long-covid" is something really new, different, and specific to covid, or if it's just the same old post-infection extended illness that's always happened to some people. Is it more with covid? Do we know it's actually covid causing it? Or is it the same deal as "the flu knocked the stuffing out of me and I haven't been right for a month!"... because I haven't actually slowed down and taken the required time for my body to properly recover from a serious illness, but instead chugged nyquil and went back to work. I'm not sure what to make of it, because it's hard to get any specifics.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 01:33 pm (UTC)—Ms. Krieger
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 07:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 10:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 03:22 pm (UTC)It's good to question what other factors might alternatively explain illnesses, but double standards don't help. I don't see any useful difference between "you call it long Covid but it might have been an environmental toxin or something else" and "you call it vaccine injury but it might have been an environmental toxin or something else."
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 04:20 pm (UTC)Long Covid though strikes me as odd. Presumably, if this is a thing, then it happens with other respiratory viral infections as well, since no one has given me any reason to think Covid is utterly unique and unprecedented; but I've never heard of illnesses like this being attributed to "Long Flu" or anything like that.
So I'm sceptical of the entire framework which says these are caused by Covid, since I'm unaware of any other respiratory virus which routinely causes extremely long lasting illnesses of the "Long Covid" form.
I'm also not saying it doesn't exist; what I am saying is that I'm sceptical it's as widespread as a lot of people seem to think it is.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-16 07:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-16 09:47 pm (UTC)You're right that standards need to be established, but the fact is that the standard for diagnosing covid is complete BS - i.e. a meaningless lab test, without reference to any clinical diagnosis. This seems to be where we are: you get a lab test, which signifies nothing, and if you come down with any kind of illness at any time after that, we call it long covid. With the experimental gene therapies, a person at least knows without a doubt that he got a shot in his arm at some point.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-17 08:07 am (UTC)I can therefore confirm that, while most people do recover from acute illnesses, some do not, and their illness continues to express itself in low-level, often debilitating, chronic patterns of disease.
To a TCM practitioner, like myself, this tends to confirm that every disease is a dance with (at least) two partners - the pathogen and the host. The host experiences the attempts their body is making to clear a pathogen away, and to bring itself back to balance, as "symptoms". If these attempts succeed, the symptoms will clear away quickly. Otherwise the pathogen will "linger" and the host must continue to attempt to clear it, producing further symptoms, which, when the disease turns chronic, also testify to increasing diminishment of the host's resources and strength.
To treat a disease, therefore, strengthening the host, augmenting the host's resources, is as critical as weakening the pathogen. And the timeframe in which this takes place may be a short one, or a long one, often depending on how strong the host was, and how plentiful their native resources, at the start of the illness.
* naming conventions, of course, differ, and in the West, currently, we name our infections after the presumed microbial "invader". In Chinese medicine, the convention is to name our infections after the presumed climatic "invader" - ie Wind Cold, or Wind Heat - these are the most common acute infections - which can then (as I said) become complicated by excessive weakness in the host, or excessive strength in the pathogen.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 09:51 pm (UTC)( at ) JustinHart
( at ) KevinKileyCA absolutely eviscerates HHS Secretary Becerra, "Did forcing 2-year-olds to wear masks save lives?"
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1668702484309897216?s=20
June 13, 2023
I'd love to transcribe it. But I'm sticking to my March 31, 2023 cap. Anyone else game to transcribe? It's about forcibly masking 2 year-olds, blood boilingly hilarious, Kafkaesquely Ionesco x Monty Python
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 10:48 pm (UTC)Updates to Where There Is No Doctor book discussed on Darkhorse podcast
Date: 2023-06-13 10:19 pm (UTC)They talk about the book Where There Is No Doctor and the updates between 1992 and 2022 editions. The 2022 edition contains a section on Covid and vaccines, and it goes about as you'd expect. There are also broader updates to recommended vaccines for children, which are...pretty staggering.
Stuff about the book starts at 15 minute mark and goes to about 1 hour 30: https://rumble.com/v2t8xe0-bret-and-heather-177th-darkhorse-podcast-livestream.html
As usual Bret and Heather have good, informative discussion. Worth watching if you have a spare hour & 15.
(I haven't watched the rest of this episode yet; the first hour and a half is what's relevant to these open posts, so that's what I'm talking about.)
Re: Updates to Where There Is No Doctor book discussed on Darkhorse podcast
Date: 2023-06-14 04:11 pm (UTC)I've since been keeping ears and eyes open to alternatives, if anyone would like to share reasources of our antibiotic resistant future?
This one is cool, though I'd like to see it made with copper rather than silver: (ceramic low-tech water filter) https://wiki.lowtechlab.org/wiki/Filtre_%C3%A0_eau_c%C3%A9ramique/en
Re: Updates to Where There Is No Doctor book discussed on Darkhorse podcast
Date: 2023-06-14 07:33 pm (UTC)If you can lay your hands on vintage home health care books, snap them up as fast as you can. I have an old textbook which belonged to my late mother (a nurse) titled Textbook of Attendant Nursing by Katherine Shepard and Charles Lawrence. It was published in 1935 and has no mention of antibiotics. While some of it is a bit dated, much of the information is still perfectly good. I tried finding a scanned version of this book online but haven't had any luck yet.
JLfromNH/Azure Melancholic Goose
Re: Updates to Where There Is No Doctor book discussed on Darkhorse podcast
Date: 2023-06-15 03:55 pm (UTC)Re: Updates to Where There Is No Doctor book discussed on Darkhorse podcast
Date: 2023-06-17 04:48 am (UTC)Presumably the organisms will drop their antibiotic resistant genes once the selection pressure has been removed. Either quickly because it is more costly or slowly through random mutations. Egyptian mummies are riddled with tetracycline and we now know that they brewed tetracycline in their beer, so everyone drank it all of the time. But tetracycline worked just fine when we rediscovered it.
Re: Updates to Where There Is No Doctor book discussed on Darkhorse podcast
Date: 2023-06-17 10:33 pm (UTC)I've also seen this with people infected with MRSA – after a while the MRSA disappears, replaced by less dangerous strains of the bacteria.
So I'd say it appears that antibiotic resistance can disappear quickly in their absence.
– Don Hargraves
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 10:20 pm (UTC)Lately, there've been posts asking for help citing references that the vex causes side effects 'so I can convince some friends' to not take the vex, etc. Putting aside the issue of whether these posts are data mining for future censorship (and if you really have been reading this forum for a while but still need help finding sources of info, that personally raises a red flag for me), putting that aside, the first thing to address 'undecided' friends is to point out the indisputable fact that they are being prevented from seeing all the information, prevented from making an informed choice. The censorship is active and aggressive and that is not hidden.
Until we abolish 'Ministries of Truth', you can't trust official narratives.
So instead of framing it as 'well here is some alternative info for you to look at', the starting point for convincing the undecided should probably be more like: 'The info given to you by the institutions, the authorities, the 'Science', your government has failed miserably when put in practice (lockdowns, masks, social distancing, vexes, mandates, etc). They have failed you and whether you believe it was malicious or innocent, they have failed you. They are actively censoring alternative info and you cannot make an informed choice. If you cannot accept that something has gone terribly wrong with these institutions, then asking others to provide you with sources of alternative views is not the problem you're having.'
Any thoughts on how to change the ongoing covid discussion toward the undisputed censorship and the inability to actually have an open discussion?
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 11:56 pm (UTC)******
DID YOU ASSUME YOU'VE BEEN GETTING "ALL THE NEWS" FROM "THE NEWS"?
Read: "How Fact-Finding Fauci Led To My Cancellation At Forbes"
by Adam Andrzejewski, Mar 9, 2022
https://openthebooks.substack.com/p/factfindingfaucicanceledforbes
******
I'd still recommend it, and just as warmly now in June 2023. However I am no longer so optimistic as I once was about trying to open anyone else's mind. I've concluded that, well, when they're ready to consider that things are not all that they appear to be, they can lift a quavering little index finger and apply that to their keyboard... It isn't hard to find out alternative information. But it's impossble if you have your head buried in the sand-- and your arm hanging out for more jabs.
I would suggest that you not underestimate the trauma, and the shame many people may experince when they realize they've been systematically lied to about all things covid. Most people who bought the story and got all the jabs simply are not ready to discuss this openly, o matter what information you show them, it's too dangerous for their sense of self, and it unmoors their sense of reality.
With the exception of one relative who was onto the scam from the beginning, and exception of some people I'm in touch with by email, the people in my family and social and professional circles, as far as I have been able to ascertain, are all deadset-certain that anyone who mutters anything about censorhip is an anti-vaxxer nut because, I guess, the New York Times is the fountain of Truth & Goodness in all Things Journalistic. And by the way Putin is totally evil and all Republicans are totally racist and transphobic, so there. Pass the catchup.
But back to your question. Now I would send anyone who would ask to RFK Jr.'s book THE REAL ANTHONY FAUCI because:
#1. It includes important, amply documented information about the censorship
#2. RFK Jr just might get more traction than anyone reading the NYT would ever expect in his campaign for the Democratic Party nomination--in which case, you wouldn't want to be "left in the dust," unaware of what's actually in that book, would you? Or do you want the NYT to just tell you what's in it? Oh, it sold over a million copies, but they never reviewed it. Funny how that is.
PS I can't say it hasn't occured to me that someone, hmmm, I wonder who, might buy a bunch of RFK's book* and maybe some other counter-covid-narrative books, oh I dunno, like maybe the one by Dr. Peter McCullough and John Leake, and stick them in the Little Free Libraries that dot so many US cities and towns. https://littlefreelibrary.org/
*All profits go to Children's Health Defense Fund.
COBALT FRAGRANT AARDONYX
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 11:56 pm (UTC)Based on ABS data, 1 in 7 deaths in Australia in 2022 were from the jabs. Of course the ABS doesn't say that, but where else did the mysterious excess deaths come from? (Yep I know, climate change probably).
How come Australia showed the exact same rise in COVID cases and excess deaths post-jab as every other heavily jabbed Western country?
But why stop with the jabs? You can truth bomb any major societal delusion - trans issues, Ukraine, climate change, the green transition away from FFs, the EU sanctioning its own energy supplies leading to a recession heading for depression.
Does it make a difference? I'd like to think so, but I don't know. People are on their own journey and I couldn't even convince my kids not to get jabbed.
Do people get angry? Strangely No. They used to, but these days when I talk about jab deaths they say nothing, or mutter a sort of agreement then change the subject. Maybe a point comes where the truth is so obvious that they don't have the emotional energy to argue anymore.
As other people have said, who comes across ordinary people still saying "I'm so glad I got the jabs".
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 09:35 am (UTC)As for the question about shifting the dialogue to censorship, all I can say is it's weird. I've had conversations at work with a guy I'm really friendly with, a dyed-in the wool old school liberal. He was skeptical of lockdowns and masking but was all in on the shots (and both he and his brother now have developed unexplained heart issues that have required them to go to the ER and then a cardiologist, who has a six-month wait). I told him I wasn't vaxxed and wouldn't get it, and why. I'm pretty sure I've told him three or four times. He just seems to forget. Each time, I've told him why I don't trust Big Pharma and that no regime that engages in mass censorship does so because they are good and benevolent rulers. It's like he can't remember and hold the information.
I have gotten to the point that I don't even bother with most people. They don't want their dreams disrupted by unpleasant realities. If you're five shots in and lining up for more at this point, there's probably no getting through to you anyway. Whenever I see someone shilling the shots now, I just think "Go boost yourself" and go about my day.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 06:42 pm (UTC)All I can say from my experience is that the few times that people asked me why I didn’t get the “Covid jab”, my response has always been, “Well, first of all, they don’t even work…”
Interestingly, I have never been able to get to a “second of all” because the reaction I got was always a sort of mumbling and changing the subject. Honestly, it was disappointing to be unable to get past my first point!
Although I never got into the epic argument I was hoping to valiantly win, perhaps the fizzling out of the conversation was for the best. I don’t know if I convinced them of my position or what. All I know is the conversation quickly fizzled out.
That’s just my experience, for what it’s worth. I have only spoken openly to a few people about this, so that reaction might not indicate anything more broadly.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 11:32 pm (UTC)Yes, I've experienced the 'mumble and walk away' too. In discussions early on (as currently I"ve had no 'in the real' arguments now, nobody wants to talk about it, only online arguments) I would immediately bring up how the shots were experimental, how EUA meant emergency use, i.e. 'not fully tested', how most vex candidates in general fail and the ones that have 'succeeded' take 5-10 years to fully test for safety, ("how could they have tested it properly in less than a year?" I would say. "Do they have a time machine? Or maybe they sped up time? How can you shortcut a long term safety test?"), and go into how previuus coronavirus vexes failed spectacularly, etc.
It appears these were not the arguments they were expecting and essentially they had no 'ammo' to respond with.
There's been a focus on 'finding the facts' that have been censored and put into the 'taboo' land of 'alternative media'. Mostly facts about the actual horrible side effects of the vex. While these details are exremeley important, there are also plenty of 'open air' facts that simply can't be censored Like the fact they *are*actively censoring. And to these indisputable facts, strong arguments can be made.
You can't make an informed decision if you can't hear both sides of a story. I would say something like "what if you were a jurist in a domestic abuse trial and the court only allowed testimony from the alleged abuser and the victim was shut up and not allowed to testify or present evidence?" Or pick something personal to the person: "How would you feel if you were robbed and the police only went to the robber to ask what happened?" etc.
The media have been coaching people to expect anti-vaxxer triggers, conspiracy theorists rants, Trump reactionism, flat earther denials of basic science, etc. When you pin them down to some simple basic facts, there is no logical way to respond. That's the ridiculous part; the use of fear has pushed people to be irrational. The focus is on 'fact checking' but the facts actually don't matter so much to those in fear.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 02:58 pm (UTC)I love this:
"Do they have a time machine? Or maybe they sped up time? How can you shortcut a long term safety test?"
(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 10:15 am (UTC)The Cape Byron Light House Declaration
https://lighthousedeclaration.org/about/
*** COPY PASTE ***
During the Covid era we have witnessed unprecedented censorship of health professionals and scientific opinion globally. As a result, many people in Australia – and worldwide – are still missing vital information.
A number of health practitioners spoke out early in the pandemic about the preventable suffering, death and disability resulting from poorly evidenced government policies that consistently increased Corporate and Government stakeholder profits, whilst simultaneously using their positions of trust and authority to deny and punish those who dared to exercise their rights of freedom of speech and informed choice. These professionals were heavily censored in the mainstream and social media – and attacked by regulators.
This censorship has caused harm to you – and to your country.
Early on, each of the three organising members of The Cape Byron Lighthouse Declaration, guided by their ethical obligations to protect their patients and clients, individually attempted to raise public awareness about the enormous potential harms of Covid policy. All three had their licenses immediately suspended, threatening their careers and livelihoods. Additionally, they experienced bullying and censorship resulting in their professional reputations being challenged with limited opportunities to address these issues publicly.
These individuals represent a tiny fraction of the health professionals globally who have been censored, ‘disciplined’ and targeted in various ways, including highly-credentialled and published doctors, scientists and academics – as well as public figures.
It’s time to stop censoring the genuine voices around the world who have refused to remain silent – and also to give voice to those who have been too afraid to speak out. It’s time to stop attacking the free speech of all individuals, along with the imposition of punitive actions that prevent such individuals from being able to function professionally.
Whether in their personal or professional capacity, individuals have the right to freedom of speech around many contentious matters. That includes Covid-related issues such as lockdowns, masks, early treatments, preventative health options, and mandated injections – as well as issues unrelated to Covid, including, but not limited to, medical interventions, childhood gender dysphoria and data privacy.
Not only has information about cheap, safe, and effective early Covid treatment protocols been systematically blocked, resulting in needless suffering and death. Tragically, we are now also witnessing the censoring, silencing, and targeting of individuals who attempt to share their ‘lived experience’ after suffering an injury resulting from a Covid-19 ‘vaccine’. Their contributions are being systematically attacked and disappearing from social media.
Disciplinary measures taken in various countries have differed in degree, but one common ‘trigger’ globally has been any discussion of potential harms from the new synthetic, gene-based technology used in Covid injections. Regulatory bodies in many countries have ‘gagged’ and blocked health professionals from discussion on a whole range of issues where an opinion might be contrary to government policy, or where corporations are involved in public-private partnerships that raise questions around potential conflicts of interest.
As a direct result of such silencing and censorship, the majority of the world’s population is still unaware that gene-based technology remains experimental – and that this entire ‘vaccination’ roll-out has been part of the largest, still ongoing, human trial of any medical intervention in our lifetime. Although some of the measures have been lifted and many feel that things are ‘returning to normal’, evidence continues to mount that confirms the ongoing detrimental impact on people’s lives, their livelihoods and their overall physical and mental wellbeing.
The best expression of a ‘duty of care’ for each other is never derived from profiteering mandates of conflicted Government or corporate policies. It always comes from humble human beings prepared to give up their reputations, livelihoods and status, to courageously speak the truth – no matter what.
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Date: 2023-06-17 05:46 am (UTC)https://c19files.org/
Is putting together the references. FOIA documents, official government publications, and academic research.
They are looking for volunteers to help with the project.
Alternative to Google?
Date: 2023-06-13 11:54 pm (UTC)https://presearch.com/
Seems to be pretty unbiased so far just typing in controversial sites, but I could be missing something.
As far as a hodgepodge of sites that would likely be pushed down the list by an algorithm, searches for: 'ecosophia', 'marketticker', 'UNZ', 'itsgoingdown', 'volkish'... I just get the basics I want.
*I don't mean to associate any of those sites with each other, I just notice it is giving me the basic sort of results I want from an objective search engine.
Re: Alternative to Google?
Date: 2023-06-14 06:48 pm (UTC)Re: Alternative to Google?
Date: 2023-06-14 07:22 pm (UTC)It feels like:
https://www.skeletonclaw.com/image/710734055173472257
Re: Alternative to Google?
Date: 2023-06-17 05:07 am (UTC)Re: Alternative to Google?
Date: 2023-06-18 01:14 pm (UTC)Re: Alternative to Google?
Date: 2023-06-18 08:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-13 11:57 pm (UTC)Cetiosaurus
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Date: 2023-06-14 04:24 am (UTC)Geert begins by acknowledging that his timelines were off but goes on to defend his original thesis that we are facing a disaster and shows why he still believes this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDhjASd7ZE
If the link doesn't work, search under Vejon or Vejon Health.
If Geert is correct, it's not over, kids!
Liam in Toronto
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Date: 2023-06-14 09:53 am (UTC)I recently went to rent a carpet shampoo machine but three different places had no usable machines. Inquiring, I learned that Rug Doctor, the company that franchises many retail store-based carpet cleaner rentals in the US, was recently acquired by some holding company that stopped all maintenance services for the machines, hence their disrepair.
The result of a staffing shortage? I've also seen other subtle but noticeable drops in the reliability of different services. Having to call someplace a dozen times to get through to someone who seems to have no idea what they're doing, that sort of thing. Is anyone else noticing this kind of thing?
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Date: 2023-06-14 04:59 pm (UTC)The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-14 07:02 pm (UTC)Have also heard myriad complaints in the same vein from family and friends: can no longer contact tech support on the phone, can't get a rep on the phone who knows anything (maybe can't get through the telephone tree at all, and often voicemail boxes are full), the local branch office still exists, and still has employees, but now their lobby is locked and there are no in-person services.
I don't know if that represents a labor shortage, or if there's more to it. TBH, I think there's a bigger-picture thing going on that we are just seeing little glimpses of-- I wonder if it is related to the news items popping up, with companies like Budweiser, Target, Cracker Barrel, etc going and willingly alienating large portions of their customer base by swearing public fealty to wokedom. It's like the entire mega-corporate world, that seemed like an un-stoppable juggernaut back in the 80s and 90s when it was all "main street/mom and pop" Davids vs. the Big Box Goliaths. And now... something freaky is happening with the Goliaths. They're not invincible after all. Are they sappuku-ing themselves? Are they rotted in the trunk and sprouting mushrooms? Are they forest bears who've contracted rabies and are going irrational before dying? It feels like some clearings are about to open up in the commercial landscape.
At any rate, I've maintained an account with my hometown credit union since I was a child. And even though I have to do any banking with them by mail, in the slowest most low-tech possible way, because they have no branch locations where I live... I've always been able to reach an actual person in the actual bank, on the phone, when I needed to. And that person probably knows my mom. That is becoming more valuable every day, and from what I hear, more and more people are seeking out such institutions and are willing to pay more to deal with them, because everything else has become some kind of electronic purgatory when anything goes wrong.
Re: The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-15 08:51 am (UTC)As to hanging on for dear life to any service that still has "faces" involved in its delivery - gosh, yes!
Re: The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-15 11:13 am (UTC)Yeah, FUBAR* customer service, medical "experts" who are usually wrong, my new fridge that doesn't work right; all these things seem to rhyme.
That's why I don't buy the conspiracy theories about the recent madness. Everyone's putting all their chips on hypercomplex systems that break down in ways that afford no explanation. Of course the result is a pandemic response that just makes everything worse!
Sawdust
*I think this term comes from WWII; it's probably a general property of complex systems, which we just have so much more of nowadays.
Re: The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-15 01:54 pm (UTC)https://bigchill.com/collections/retro.aspx
There's also a growing market for actual antique appliances that've been repaired, repainted, and restored, like these:
https://www.retrostoveandgasworks.com/for-sale
Re: The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-15 11:51 pm (UTC)Of course, we all want Amazon, Google et al monitoring our conversations and controlling our homes - progress at its finest!
Anyway, Alexa heard him say something that it interpreted as racist, so it shut down his whole home.
Cracked me up.
Re: The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-17 01:46 pm (UTC)Re: The End of Reliable Services
Date: 2023-06-17 06:22 pm (UTC)The grinch will be very happy this Christmas in Ireland, due to all the chimneys that have been blocked off and or removed entirely, as part of "environmental retrofitting" policies. Although it does make sense to add insulation to houses to stop heat escaping to save energy waste, it does not make sense to take out stoves and fireplaces on the basis that electricity will *always* be available to provide heat with.
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Date: 2023-06-15 11:52 am (UTC)Let me get a bit tangential and say that there's a sense in which everything that has happened has shown that worldviews have real consequences.
If you spend too much time on the internet engaging in petty arguing, it can be easy to forget this. But what we've seen is that your worldview on things like whether to trust authority figures really had very serious life consequences for you over the past several years.
And it bears on the economy. I don't know how interested folks are in the economy and so forth, but if you don't follow that topic, I can assure you that there are talking heads telling us "the economy is fine because unemployment is low."
They don't get it that one reason unemployment is low is that so many people are missing from the workforce after being killed or disabled by the f0xx.
So we're out of the realm of the theoretical internet argument, and into real impacts on personal health, the economy.
I read this the other day, and I agree with it, it's getting so difficult to get a tradesperson out that if you aren't "handy" or willing to learn, you might wanna re-think being a homeowner.
(As an aside - oh dear, if the Rug Doctor has gone awry, all I can say is I'm glad my kids are past a certain age! Parents everywhere must be freaking out...)
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Date: 2023-06-14 03:16 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/DanielHayes31/status/1668751485738569728?cxt=HHwWgMDS3dCozKguAAAA
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Date: 2023-06-14 05:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-14 07:12 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/DanielHayes31/status/1668751485738569728
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Date: 2023-06-15 02:34 pm (UTC)What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-14 03:48 pm (UTC)https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-west-must-die
The last time this happened was a piece about "don't let them get away with it" by another author.
For mine, that includes not going back to a world wherein TPTB enjoy respect, obedience, and worship that they simply don't deserve. This will come as a surprise to TPTB, but they are not gods to be dutifully worshipped, far from it, they don't even have the character, competence, or intelligence for the jobs that they do have! So, they just have to go, and not just them either - the doomed civilization that spawned them also has to go, because it sucked, and it continues to suck, and it get suckier all the time.
And that's okay, nothing last forever.
The big question is what to do next? The latest essay I've shared above doesn't lay it all out, but it might give a few ideas.
It's not exactly the same as what I've been thinking about, but it resonates on the same frequency, plus I think the video in the link has some interesting ideas. Maybe even gives me a clue as to why I'm struggling to write things down - and no, I don't think it's covid-brain.
Anyway, after more than a couple of aborted starts, I'm pleased that I've managed to force myself to untangle a few words from the interconnected mush of ideas in my head to share the essay with you.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-15 03:01 pm (UTC)It's hard to write love letters to save the world but charge to read 'em.
Erika
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-15 11:54 pm (UTC)Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-16 03:05 am (UTC)of course i understand but there are consequences and thus he will remain boutique and mis out and sit out the biggest conversation of all our lifetimes. it is what it is. we are alienated no corner bars, this is all we've got. he's sitting it out or at best his ideas will make it into the ethers via OTHERS and be misconstrued or re-interpreted.
of course i understand the need to make a living. i won't write for a dime on ANY of this. my service is to connect here until i feel irrelevant or no one cares or shows up.
this is a deeper conversation about what the internet tends to favor, and it'd be cool if people who paid/support were fine with sharing info for all in favor of a collective conversation to help get us out of this.
but substacks and internet formalities..well let's just say the internet is all about fake friends and hand outs and the tip thing is everywhere and gofund me... and those of us on this side of things are getting more and more broke because well...
we were already exiled.
so of course i understand but it's a reality and consequence and too bad for ALL of us and him because open conversation feeds the writer. and substack paid-only comments are anemic.
and as a writer i'd become a monkey for the pay. so my shower curtains are actually NOT my writing because my writing is raw me i can only wanna give free. my books..that's why the ART!
x
erika
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-18 12:16 am (UTC)Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-16 02:58 am (UTC)"But the culture wars continue, and then as now the camps are well defined. On one side, the ‘woke’ tribe - that curious agglomeration of international capital and elite progressive opinion posing as an uprising from below - works to invert the culture as it crusades against everything that the place has ever been or stood for. In response, the ‘based’ tribe rises up to ‘defend the West’, but can never seem to agree on what it is defending. What is this ‘West’, after all? Is it an ethnic homeland, a religion, a set of principles, a particular economic or social model, or some other way of seeing or being? Nobody seems to agree.
"Surveying the ongoing demolition of the pillars of my culture, I am sometimes, in my worst moods, tempted to join the defenders of the West in their work. But when I have calmed down, I remember that those pillars are mostly rotten anyway, and that those attacking them, repulsive as they can sometimes be, are not entirely wrong either. Something has gone wrong with this ‘West’, and those who highlight its past crimes are getting at something that maybe even they can’t quite put their finger on.
"Like essayists trying to get to the heart of the matter, or poets scrabbling to take down dictation, it can sometimes feel as if all the discontents in our ongoing breakdown, wherever they think they stand, are motivated by the same sense of loss or confusion that Machine modernity has created as it has ripped us all away from our moorings. The right-populists who rebel against the bugs and the pod, and the left-green Extinction Rebels who stop the traffic because they want to stop the Machine, are routinely presented as opposites, but they look to me like manifestations of the same frustration. The progressives who rail against ‘whiteness’ and the traditionalists who refuse to be imprisoned in a fifteen minute city are taking a weirdly consonant stand against the same thing: a rationalised, profiteering, inhuman future that they feel is closing in on them without any means of escape.
"So if you ask me to help ‘defend the West’ now, I will reply that, though this place is my home and the home of my ancestors, I can’t avoid the reality that this ‘West’ birthed the Machine, and is building that inhuman future. Something in our way of seeing contained a seed that unmade the world. I have been examining this seed now for two years. Do I want it to grow? No. I want to uproot it. I want to say that this ‘West’ is not a thing to be ‘conserved’: not now. It is a thing to be superseded. It is an albatross around our necks. It obstructs our vision. It weighs us down.
"Sometimes, you have to know when to let go.
"‘The West’ has become an idol; some kind of static image of a past that maybe once was but is now inhabited by a new force: the Machine. ‘The West’ today thinks in numbers and words, but can’t write poetry to save its life. ‘The West’ is the kingdom of Mammon. ‘The West’ eats the world, and eats itself, that it may continue to ‘grow’. ‘The West’ knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. ‘The West’ is exhausted and empty.
"Maybe, then, just maybe, we need to let ‘the West’ die.
"Let it die so that we can live.
"Maybe we need to let this concept fall away. To let it crumble so that we can see what lies beneath. Stop all the ‘fighting’ to preserve something nobody can even define, something which has long lost its heart and soul. Stop clinging to the side of the sinking hull as the band plays on. We struck the iceberg long ago; it must be time, at last, to stop clinging to the shifting metal. To let go and begin swimming, out towards the place where the light plays on the water. Just out there. Do you see? Beyond; just beyond. There is something waiting out there, but you have to strike out to reach it. You have to let go."
IDK. ISTM you could try to figure out what that "seed" was and still preserve the valuable parts without it. Isn't that what has happened during other ages of decline?
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-16 04:24 am (UTC)i cannot read out of respect to Kingsnorth.
BUT i would honestly absolutely love to hear in YOUR OWN WORDS what resonated and what it brought up in YOU. that would be the first draft of you writing a piece, and thus continuing this conversation Kingsnorth has so beautifully ignited you.
i'm not being rude; i think you are actually being LAZY and not honoring his original intent by sharing YOUR PERSONAL resonance. we could EACH BENEFIT. that is the point i'm making. see the beauty of Papa being forced by our votes and his own RULES to write an excruciatingly painful but glittering alive insightfuly TRUSTWORTH (he KNOWS! he was THERE!) piece about agonizing boyhood in America when you're different.
i am begging and inviting YOU to share. don't just cut-and-paste. that is the laziness also ...made by the ease of the internet... it kills YOU, your individuality. it's why i won't i REFUSE to use emojis designed by sociopaths to convey the complexity of my humanity here at this juncture in HISTORY.
you cheat me of you when you let the internet's inclinations dictate what you SHARE. what blew your MIND. Kingsnorth isn't here, at least not out in the open, so YOU BE HERE. bring what he cannot did not want to for whatever reason.
i am trying to invite us all out of the internet's inclinations to fawn or troll. that's really why i don't want to court my own readers to my own site and why i don't accept comments. i've "belonged" to my fans before and it cheapened me to a point i must atone for it by fluffing up the party elsewhere, invited (allowed to stay) and using my actions and tests in the real to share with other crazies just waiting for their entrance! to do it YOUR way!
if you're here, you're a delightful freak of some sort.. you cheat me when you cut and paste... use his essay as a prompt a springboard that really highest diving board in the 70s that someone here on eco main i think said was the rite of passage if you went ahead or turned around and bailed! walk of shame!
so no harm done on Kingsnorth. i just think you posting it you MEANT to be kind but really FURTHER THE CONVERSATION, and so i'm begging you to please DO further this conversation in YOUR words.
see how this was an invitation to a deeper conversation more interesting than platitudes or blaming all your thoughts on Kingsnorth? give him a break. he's in seclusion on this piece and apparently it was so YOU could step forward.
please do.
see? MY work is to do this here and in person. the wilder i am, the less you'll feel embarrassed next to me and i'll get the best of you. i've done this before so that i can be the audience! i love watching amazing talent in action. it's...ENCHANTMENT to 11. especially hidden talent waiting to pounce on stage.
there's a line between selfish look at me shallowness and honest connection nudity... it's spontaneous and that SCARIEST thing to ME. scarier than picking fights that end up involving cops and many visits to court. that's a sugar high and a lifetime of apologies.
so write anonymous to start. watch how hellishly hard it is to write honest to YOURSELF even anonymously. that's a tragedy.
where the saying the player gets played is perfect.
this is also why, as agoraphobic as i've become regarding humanity now, i'm going to venture out and try and make a new world OFF LINE. and connect with other local biz venues for readings book art craft sales... whatever it takes to get off this device that has remade us in its sociopathic antisocial cut-and-paste AI image.
write back and i'll read even though it'll be monday before i can get to it. i'll return. use my name if you wanna be sure, mention "erika" and i'll do the search and find it.
x
erika
p.s. this is why i trust Papa G: he loves open conversation, lets people shred his ideas-- ideas must fight to live mano a mano--have punches from subscribers and freeloading haters with too much free time online. and Papa's immune to the fawning projecting and trolling. he's interested in IDEAS that're still standing after a weekend of brawling in an alleyway. nothing can be precious in writing or art.
who's "rational" now?
(wink)
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-16 04:22 pm (UTC)Sorry for the confusion--
I'm the person who posted the excerpt from The Ninth Mouse's link.
I'm a different person.
I followed the link and it wasn't paywalled for me. there were links in it to other of his writings, and they were. So I guess each person can read one of his writings and then gets paywalled.
I posted an *excerpt* just to help you and The Ninth Mouse out.
I added my own small reaction at the end. But I'm not the person who originally linked it. So really, leave me out of this.
-The Other Anon
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-17 06:16 am (UTC)Sorry, I wouldn't have tried to share it if I knew people wouldn't be able to read it unless they paid - it's not that I really care if people charge for their wares, it's more that I'm NOT a salesman.
There's something about sales that I don't like. If you've ever had an old friend, who you've been stoked to hear from for the first time in ages, only to find that they're trying to get to join Amway or whatever, then you'll know what I mean. The products might be good, and the business might be legit, but the process. . . There's something creepy about the whole process that I just naturally recoil from.
I'm also surprised that there's a differential in access. It's a bit of a mystery to me. I don't know how these things work. Maybe it's country specific or something? Anyway, I know that some of Kingsnorth's stuff is free, and some isn't - that's how it is for me too.
Kingsnorth's essay is good, but so is the video in the link (sorry JMG, I know you're not a fan of video), which is available for free on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4IeuIg9nGY
It's pretty interesting. The blurb reads:
"From the left-brain right-brain divide to the metaphysics of magic, Dr Iain McGilchrist addresses the profound questions of living well. The esteemed thinker was in conversation with Freddie Sayers at the UnHerd Club on 20th April 2023."
McGilcrhist has written books too, including: 'The Matter of Things' there's a blurb about it on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matter_with_Things".
It looks like it could be a long and complex read at 1,500 pages and two volumes, but there might be more easily digestible stuff out there somewhere for free online that he's written.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-19 09:30 pm (UTC)ISTM you could try to figure out what that "seed" was and still preserve the valuable parts without it. Isn't that what has happened during other ages of decline?
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-17 01:57 pm (UTC)I'm mindful that you may be feeling a bit down on him asking for money for his stuff, and you're entitled to your views on that.
I don't pay for anything I read online. Hell, you'd have to twist my arm to even get me to sign up for anything online, let alone pay.
Now that I got that out of the way. . .
I don't think Kingsnorth really sees himself as trying to save the world - he's been criticized for not jumping on that bandwagon before.
So, is he trying to do something other than trying to make a living by writing entertaining stuff and what-not?
Well, whatever he's up to, if anything, I can't do it justice right now - I start writing, then I delete everything and start again. . .
Rinse and repeat.
This seems to be happening to me more often now, so I'm going to just leave it alone.
I will say that I rate him highly.
Everyone else can make up their own minds, or not if they don't feel like it.
Phew, I made it to the end of something - time to press post comment before I start over!
The Ninth Mouse
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-19 03:40 pm (UTC)Thank you and I'm sorry you're struggling with articulating your screams.
(Smile)
I did go back and listen to the Iain McGilchrist interview and James is gonna read his books, but for all that talking McGilchrist didn't wouldn't and couldn't be specific and kept things theoretical and vague so as not to get into trouble in his career, and thus I myself cannot take anything he says seriously as a player.
Such folks won't further inspire you to go wherever you'll need to go, so beware all that prattle doesn't enervate you.
Smarts mean little anymore if they can't squint into the real light of day.
I see why I didn't come back here to a beautiful long essay from you.
Dare to mess your pants and don't re-read before posting.
X
Erika
Re: What to do next?
Date: 2023-06-19 03:45 pm (UTC)Erika
Hit song - Welcome To The Revolution
Date: 2023-06-14 07:33 pm (UTC)Here’s the YouTube link to the music video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHxk1Mg5n7I&pp=ygUKamltbXkgbGV2eQ%3D%3D (I expect you can find the audio somewhere if you don’t want the video)
Re: Hit song - Welcome To The Revolution
Date: 2023-06-15 02:53 am (UTC)Ron M
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Date: 2023-06-14 10:34 pm (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below or on the prayer list page.
This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.
JH's mother-in-law Sue, who lives in Spain, has had a severe arthritis affliction in her knee that has left her unable to walk for weeks now, leaving her more or less bed bound; for prayers and/or healing energy for swift resolution of the issue and swift recovery of her ability to walk.
Tanamous's friend's brother David got in a terrible motorcycle accident and has been diagnosed as a quadriplegic given the resultant spinal damage; for healing and the positive outcomes of upcoming surgeries and rehabilitation, specifically towards him being able to walk and live a normal life once more.
One of
Nicole's (shewhoholdstension) 41 year brother Robert died suddenly in bed on May 15th; for a smooth and blessed journey on the other side. Robert was a single dad and he leaves behind three children: Hannah, Zack, and Jordyn; that they and Nicole be blessed and protected, and find what comfort they can during this very difficult time. (Update here.)
Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. (Lp9 gives updates here and most recently here, and says "things are a bit... murky"), and the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are still warranted.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
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Date: 2023-06-14 11:28 pm (UTC)Not sure if this has been shared before here but Google, of all places, recommended this today:
https://doctors4covidethics.org/doctors-for-covid-ethics-signatories/
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Date: 2023-06-15 12:44 am (UTC)How to convince a State Legislature that they have been wrong in 4 minutes
My testimony in support of bill H734
Madhava Setty
June 15, 2023
https://madhavasetty.substack.com/p/how-to-convince-a-state-legislature
PULL-QUOTE:
"Here’s a recording of my testimony from HealthRightsMA on twitter that can be retweeted or shared with your MA representative:
https://twitter.com/HealthRightsMA/status/1668752332971028483
or on Rumble and FB.
If you live in my state of MA, please visit healthrightsma.org where you can get involved here.
If you wish to support similar bills in your own state, please visit righttorefuse.org. "
Pfizer Document Release: 5 million AEs?
Date: 2023-06-15 02:55 am (UTC)I don't know the provenance of this apparent internal Pfizer post-marketing document, but it appears to be PFZ's internal post-marketing data about the shots, through June 2022. I haven't had a chance to comb through it yet, but here's what a couple of other people are saying about it:
https://www.conservativereview.com/horowitz-confidential-pfizer-document-shows-the-company-observed-1-6-million-adverse-events-covering-nearly-every-organ-system-2661316948.html
https://pharmafiles.substack.com/p/breaking-shit-just-hit-the-fan
So, Horowitz is saying it indicates that pfz knows about 1.6 million adverse events since rollout, Aussie17 is saying no, actually its 5 million, and I'd just like to point out that in both cases, this document only covers up through June 2022, and it's been a whole year since then, so whatever the numbers are in that document, they're higher now.
More importantly, just trying to glance through and get some kind of overview of the original doc (and dang I can't do math or read properly for anything this late at night)... I am wondering if we might have the HOLY GRAIL of AE data here: a denominator. PFZ clearly doesn't know how many people received the shots, but we *seem* to have their own internal estimates for it, somewhere between table 5 and table 13.
Please somebody smarter and better at reading science papers than I, take a look!
Because the most absolutely infuriating thing all this time has been: all these AE reports, and no denominator to determine a *rate* of AEs... so like how many adverse events *per 1000 people* or *per 1000 shots administered*. That has been a total mystery, and a huge excuse for everybody involved to just shrug and go "I dunno, we gave more shots than ever, so of course there are more reports".
Can an estimated ratio of AEs be calculated from this document???
Re: Pfizer Document Release: 5 million AEs?
Date: 2023-06-15 10:13 pm (UTC)When the US FDA in summer 2020 allowed the first official human control group to get the "real" jabs about 40 or so days after getting a placebo and in summer 2021 when it allowed the panicked & deceived to mix and match any jabs destroying all control groups to compare different jabs' side effects there was no doubt to me the ruling princes of the planet considered the masses to be gullible morons.
"By identifying the new learning with heresy, you make orthodoxy synonymous with ignorance."
"Picture the prince, such as most of them are today: a man ignorant of the law, well-nigh an enemy to his people's advantage, while intent on his personal convenience, a dedicated voluptuary, a hater of learning, freedom and truth, without a thought for the interests of his country, and measuring everything in terms of his own profit and desires."
- Desiderius Erasmus
W.R.
Re: Pfizer Document Release: 5 million AEs?
Date: 2023-06-16 11:34 am (UTC)Re: Pfizer Document Release: 5 million AEs?
Date: 2023-06-17 07:53 am (UTC)(Cue loud organ music!! I guess...)
Re: Pfizer Document Release: 5 million AEs?
Date: 2023-06-17 07:59 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-06-15 02:23 pm (UTC)This book popped up on my radar-- I am an admirer of Dr. William Tiller. I have to read the book, however.
Bridging Science and Spirit:
The Genius of William A. Tiller’s Physics and the Promise of Information Medicine
by Nisha Manek
Manek publishes an interesting newsletter which you can sign up for here:
https://nishamanekmd.com
Her recent issue features German healer Bruno Gröning.
https://www.bruno-groening.org/en
Cetiosaurus
"COVID Mitigation Crushed the Poor"
Date: 2023-06-15 04:44 pm (UTC)https://markoshinskie8de.substack.com/p/covid-mitigation-crushed-the-poor
The author of the article, Mark Oshinskie, is a substacker I've been following for a while now. He's had some interesting stuff to say about cooties-19 and a variety of related issues - and he's also an avid gardener. Plus, he lives in my home state of New Jersey, so I have some extra appreciation for his perspective, since it comes from someone who's been going through the whole debacle in the same political environment as me.
Some of the biggest arguments I've had about the covid nonsense - including at least one bonafide shouting match of which I'm not overly proud - have involved me informing people who claim to be on the "left" that there was nothing genuinely "left" about the covid response, since all it did was hurt poor and vulnerable people, enrich corporations, transfer wealth upward, and destroy rights and freedoms that the left used to claim to care about, like free speech, freedom of religion/association/assembly, the right to privacy, and workers' rights.
Anyway - the article is worth a read, imo.
- Mauve Erudite Stoat
Re: "COVID Mitigation Crushed the Poor"
Date: 2023-06-17 08:13 am (UTC)As for workers' well-being, if the governments cared a weasel's u-no-whut about that, they never, not in a billion years, would have put mandates on workers, and most especially not on workers who had been on the frontlines and already had covid. Yes, some European countries allowed for natural immunity, but that was not so in the US, not Canada, nor Australia, nor many other countries. It was one size fits all, JAB 'em JAB 'em JAB 'em.
The covid policies crushed and ruined so many working people and their families it is beyond obscene, and in going along with this, the left disgraced itself thorughly, as did the medical profession. And the profession formerly known as "journalism," too.
Thankfully, there are many exceptions, individuals who spoke out and others who, behind the scenes, have been working to make a difference.
Trying to stay positive in the midst of this smoking crater of cruelty and idiocy, I am,
Grumbling Grumbledore
Re: "COVID Mitigation Crushed the Poor"
Date: 2023-06-20 12:01 am (UTC)On Sunday we attended my eldest brother-in-law's funeral. Everyone says it was the shot that did it, really bad stroke. The funeral was attended by next of kin, groups of in-laws and his wife's business associates. His cousins did not attend even though they live nearby. Those who attended kept strictly to their little groups, and except for me, did not try to get acquainted with the others.