Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 90

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure how many have seen this, but Ritrah Radagast has changed positions. Rather than sticking with the incompetence angle, he now thinks that the Covid-19 mess only makes sense as a case of conspiracy. He was one of the most articulate, thoughtful, and intelligent writers who was both a Covid-19 skeptic and a conspiracy skeptic right from the start of the madness. If Rintrah Radagast has concluded the evidence points to a conspiracy, then I have to wonder who else is now leaning that way. Further, given the popular narratives in Western culture, conspiracy will be an easy camp to land in if and when the problems with the vaccines become well known.

We all saw, starting in 2020, that public opinion could, even in complete contradiction to reality, shape our world. Everyone who suffered under a lockdown, or suffered from a refusal to vaccinate, or is now stuck wondering how bad that massive medical experiment will turn out, should be acutely aware that perceptions, if widely shared, matter a great deal. They shape policies, shape relationships, limit what is and is not acceptable in public discourse, and maintain a social order. Crucially, they don't even need to be true: the perception we were in a pandemic twisted our social order completely out of shape.

So, regardless of if it is true or not, the claim that the elite conspired to try to render us infertile and/or kill millions will dramatically increase the likelihood of major violence and people dangling from lampposts if widely believed.

Is anyone else noticing this shift towards Covid-as-Conspiracy, whether with other people online or with people they know in person? Does anyone have any ideas how to avoid major disasters if this ends up widely beleived?

https://www.rintrah.nl/in-defence-of-the-wef-phobic-conspiracy-theorists-the-case-against-bureaucratic-incompetence/

[(Anonymous)]

I read that.

Of greater interest to me is the SUICIDE angle he takes. The article states his belief that the elites took the vaccine along with the rest of the Western World, deciding that it would be better to die along with Western Society than to try to control what remains.

Shades of The Spirit of Wotan indeed, if Rintrah is correct.

– Donald Hargraves

[ari_ormstunga]

In one place or another, JMG has speculated that the US is essentially the reincarnation of the Roman empire. Many Roman aristocrats had a death before dishonor mentality and suiciding out after disgrace was considered the right thing to do. As I recall, he also suggested some Boomers may end up having suicide parties as they start to reach the end of their natural spans. I don't know what to make of the rest of it but I've considered some dark possibilities on sleepless nights. At any rate, I don't envy the people responsible for this madness; I think their afterlife experiences will be suboptimal for some time.

[sarad]

I'm not concerned about Wotan on the move. The Nazis, the archetypal authoritarian movement, were the ones obsessed with Wotan.

The Jungians were clear that at the centre of such a movement were men with mommy issues (and presumably animus-possessed women like the 'white feather movement').

I don't sense that on the move right now at all.

An anti-authoritarian movement, which an anti-government (anti-elite) protest would have a different force behind it entirely, and I don't sense that on the rise, either.

[(Anonymous)]

I saw that too. He takes a typically strange and obscure path to reach his conclusion, so it's not easy to either affirm or refute.

People I know

[(Anonymous)]

"Covid as conspiracy" has been a strong trend among the folks I know and bump into here in SW Missouri Ozarks. I'd call the consciousness of the conspiracy angle "widespread", from hillbillies to farmers to business owners.

During the height of the panic, less than half the populace wore masks in public -- the largest employer required the shot & lost a large percentage of their employees to a nearby competitor who didn't. Also lost a lawsuit by fired employees for compensation.

I never saw a rabid Karen or Ken in my small town (pop 2000).

The nearest large town in the state (pop 200k) had more visible compliance, but still saw lots of unmasked people, and knew quite a few seeking and receiving exemptions from the V. In the large town, signs on stores required masks but I never used one and wasn't ever stopped. Got the stink eye from a masked Karen only one time -- I smiled in return.

So, yes, I'd say people are willing to accept the conspiracy angle and know who is behind it (per conversations) and have a dark view of where this is all going.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd stop worrying too much about it. I doubt people will rise up and take down the elites in a gory revolution, or whatever vengeful scenario is imagined, over this. You'd think the masses would revolt, but then you'd also think that they'd reject the clotshots.

Sure, maybe some will get violent, and the odd mob riot or whatever might happen, but most of the masses are just meat robots who will follow orders. Ask yourself why the masses haven't revolted over any number of the insults that are inflicted on them on a more regular basis? The simple truth is that the masses just don't have much of a revolutionary spirit, if any.

On Rintrah's article, I don't find his particular "vaccine"/labspawn conspiracy theory convincing.

I agree that we as a species have an over-consumption problem, but c'mon man, do you really think the elites would take us all down to save 'the planet'? They couldn't care less about nature.

Instead, it seems to me that Rintrah, who self-described himself as an eco-fascist on Twitter before he closed his account, thinks the elites would commit a deed like that because killing everyone/lots of people to save ecology appeals to his own ideological tendency, and my guess is that's why he thinks elites would consider it, because it makes sense to him.

But, for argument's sake, let's say the elites did want to 'Prince Phillip' us all, then you'd have to think that they'd realize that the countries that didn't "vaccinate" would simply take over, fill the void, and over-consume anyway, so, the elites would have to take it all down everywhere at once with their tox to prevent that, but TPTB horded the "vaccines" for the richer countries instead. True, the west consumes more on a per-capita basis and would therefore make a juicy target, but westerners would be replaced by other consumers in no time flat and the same over-consumption issue would still be there.

But whatever really, as we have seen, the masses will just go their deaths if ordered by the authorities and pressured to do so, without much resistance, or revenge, so it seems like the elites have little to worry about on that score.

The Ninth Mouse