Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 74
Jan. 3rd, 2023 02:36 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2023-01-03 07:50 pm (UTC)The following links contains the archives (.epub and .html, and for Vol. 2 and Vol. 3 there is .txt too)
Volume 1 (everything before 1st March 2022)
Volume 1 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/8dBxzC4B#AkuddhK1eMAHK8xtCquBd7Es_19uU0UVAuO26PJ61ow
Volume 1 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/8JYV3QBT#ydwISn-_JZGsa3KCfNlMPZSmCKWEFgTYMJJnsvN0Dd9c
Volume 2 (everything after 1st of March 2022)
Volume 2 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/INBEUapS#hp4rZVkoJCZ4yKEfz-gr48iMpOfLcSVqFWHeoGWq5a4
Volume 2 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/lQ5mEDiR#hrMVcUi03aJLuODjvTrFQbrmq4IRfqJMdO-Osd4c8Rc
Volume 2 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/xFomBI4K#qXMkKUAW2TErbruBb9i7pp30QNmQ8I-0isT7Yj1gfbo
Volume 2 (everything after 20th of September 2022)
Volume 3 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/dQxRVQQJ#2m5vKS4_L-BDVLF3gdTcgCFjpxmKHeCw9Ik_QR13L_o
Volume 3 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/VdBzwZxT#c2yhz2IFnXahLlLWpgsdd-N_99AZJ8ltSPN8sMiKMvw
Volume 3 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/AVxykSoA#11cBEp9FPU-9uMg1b_OmOiPo4RCPy1kpByU1ppJDz3I
Re: open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2023-01-03 10:41 pm (UTC)Re: open thread archive .epub, .txt, .html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2023-01-04 01:59 pm (UTC)US Senate Covid 19 vaccines panel - special podcast
Date: 2023-01-03 07:56 pm (UTC)Thank you John.
Date: 2023-01-03 07:59 pm (UTC)-A Spaniard.
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Date: 2023-01-03 08:00 pm (UTC)Looks like we have a natural experiment in progress, only ~5% of the US is boosted, but ~70% of the UK has been boosted.
(Although in the US ~31% of the over 65 and ~74% of nursing home residence also have been boosted.)
If the jabs are as bad as many think, this year should show a big difference between the US and the UK in general health and all cause mortality. And we will see how bad the 3rd jab is for the elderly.
Hopefully this year some of the mysteries around the effect of the jabs will be resolved.
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Date: 2023-01-03 09:29 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-03 09:49 pm (UTC)That data was from earlier this fall.
this may be a better source for the estimates for booster usage.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
that data base shows Japan having the highest percentage of boosted folks (just about everyone and many having two boosters) But i am not sure if they used the mRNA tech.
Western Europe is typically above 60% boosted.
US is ~40% boosted range.
Still plenty of variation in uptake that should be able to tell us a lot.
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Date: 2023-01-04 03:18 am (UTC)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/07/third-person-dies-in-japan-after-taking-contaminated-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine
But they didn't approve any of the shots until.... February 2021 (Valentines day?? That seems like a weird omen in retrospect. Hearts), so their campaign started about three months later than in the US and other places. So even if everybody's boosted to the gills, effects will likely show in the earlier-rollout countries first. Japan later.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-approves-Pfizer-s-COVID-19-vaccine-1st-for-domestic-use
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-03 11:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 04:25 am (UTC)What's going on in the NFL?
Date: 2023-01-03 08:02 pm (UTC)At least a lot of "Drs" on twitter have proclaimed in is not the "vax".
So we got that going for us, which is nice.
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Date: 2023-01-03 08:03 pm (UTC)https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/charlie-kirk-branded-human-garbage-over-damar-hamlin-remarks/ar-AA15UKsm?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1433a73b587749f091b7e5093909057c
This article shows a picture of Alex Jones and claims Infowars host says the collapse is not vaxx related; it was a fill-in host and not Alex Jones.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-vaccine-did-not-cause-him-to-collapse-infowars-host-denounces-conspiracy-theory-of-nfl-tragedy/ar-AA15VN3n?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0c67e686a6bc44eabd0f39a4c356bf40
This story must be big enough, and Twitter now free enough, that it can't be ignored, so they are finally acknowledging widespread concerns about the side effects, and smearing them as conspiracy theory by linking them with an image of Alex Jones, who didn't actually comment on the issue.
To me, it seems like the same approach as the Died Suddenly film, legit concerns will be linked with and dismissed as conspiracy theories for right-wing losers, fringe dwellers, and wingnuts. (I say that with utmost respect for all my fellow fringe dwellers and wingnuts).
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:21 pm (UTC)this is already starting
Date: 2023-01-03 10:52 pm (UTC)This is a "nothing here, move along" vibe
https://sports.yahoo.com/remembering-tragic-day-detroit-lions-033107789.html
Re: this is already starting
Date: 2023-01-04 07:45 pm (UTC)I found a bit chute website earlier today with a video showing a sportscaster discussing the event (immediately after it happened) with a former
NFL team doctor, who said no game he can recall was cancelled except on 9-11. If he was thinking V he didn't say it but he did seem shocked.
They also both called it a 'routine' hit. The doctor said 'Basketball is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.'
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:52 pm (UTC)One commentator referenced on Zerohedge tweeted "As a physician I believe Damar Hamlin was likely suffering from commotio cordis where a blow to the chest at a precise moment in the electrical cycle stops the heart. Those trying to tie this to vaccine status to project their unscientific beliefs are terrible, horrible people."
My comment is yes, that is possible. But its factuality is not established. I would also ask: How many other football players have been laid low by commotio cordis? Why is this opinion more scientific than of those who suspect the vax? And why are so many soccer players going down, in what is basically a non-contact sport? And myocarditis has been established as a real risk among the vax'd, which is a condition that could well account for Hamlin's cardiac arrest.
I sure hope this story gets some legs and arouses some real, amply justified, suspicions in the general public.
--Lunar Apprentice
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Date: 2023-01-04 05:29 am (UTC)i can't remember a day where i had to bite my tongue so often, or one where i was proud of myself for having successfully done so. usually i would have made some sort of snide remark.
i do feel for damar hamlin, his family and his teammates. from all accounts he is an upstanding young man. let's hope he pulls through this somehow.
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Date: 2023-01-04 10:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 05:23 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 08:27 am (UTC)I did a few minutes of poking around. What I found said that the players’s union successfully thwarted the NFL’s attempt to force the players to be vaxed. Which doesn’t mean Mr. Hamlin didn’t follow The Science and get vaxed on his own initiative. Terrible, horrible person that I am, I’ll just have to wait and see.
—Princess Cutekitten
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Date: 2023-01-05 01:27 am (UTC)I think only a few super-high level i.e. 'star' rebels in the NFL got away with refusing to do it.
They could certainly deflate 'the anti-vaxxers' by showing he'd never been jabbed but
if the entire team was required to comply
how could they?
But I'm no expert.
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Date: 2023-01-04 09:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-06 03:21 am (UTC)i, for one, can't wait to see what he says at his first press conference post recovery.
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Date: 2023-01-07 05:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 04:56 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 08:46 pm (UTC)Diplomacy crisis in process...
Date: 2023-01-03 08:08 pm (UTC)Chinese government said these measures are unacceptable, and, if they wouldn't be lifted soon, there would be "retaliation" against EU members...A diplo crisis between EU countries and China is ready to begin.
Measures start today.
-A Spaniard.
hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-03 08:13 pm (UTC)It is like saying, you don't need to do anything, just plug your brain in here and you are now superhuman.
Like a Jinn offering a wish...
Is it just just western civ in decadent decline or are bigger patterns and movements in play?
Voltaire: “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities"
Like the authorisation and push to inject babies with this mRNA stuff - it's mind boggling and surreal.
Thinking about JMG's hypothesis that the covid business could be indicative of humans getting messed about by other entities of one form or another, I was minded of a post here or on Magic Monday or maybe even the main blog (by Happy Panda I think) where a reference came up to Sadhguru seeing some big peturbation or disaster or something that was causing massive changes on higher planes and that the planes were in the process of rebalancing and things were gradually making their way down to the dense material level where we are - with an expected impact time between 2023 and 2025 (IIRC ?).
Unable to find post now, but looking at the world just now, who knows.
Changes upstream also do not seem incompatible with JMG's hypothesis
On the one hand it might be as simple as fear and cognitive dissonance for some and greed and venality for others with higher rational thinking shut down or replaced with delusional thinking right upto 1+1=Petunia level stuff, but is all this more due to the realignment of planes that Sadhguru referred to playing out?
That covid is just a side show (even if an ugly one).
The current level of dysfunction in the so-called west is extraordinary.
Whom the gods wish to destroy and all that.
I saw someone on the covid open thread say: Some members of my family are now on their 7th injection.
Does anyone remember whether the post on Sadhguru and changes on the higher planes was on here or Magic Monday, or main blog and did anyone see any more mention of the subject?
Thanks
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-04 12:56 am (UTC)You are correct. It was me that made that post and Sadhguru did say that. He saw a big disaster had happened on the subtle planes already and those planes were still busy re-balancing in the disaster's aftermath. There's even a video of him on Youtube talking about how the subtle planes' disaster was having an effect on the pingala nadi (the solar nadi) in the pelvic region of his spine. The sun's solar prana was spiking in pingala constantly far beyond what is normal for humans.
[Edit: Now I'm thinking he felt the spiking in Sushumna as well. I am going to have to go back and find that video. I recall him saying he kept feeling the spikes of energy up and down his central spine too.]
The pelvis being the body part that correlates to the material plane. The entire solar system is shifting and moving physically into a new arrangement in a big way and it is likewise effecting our Sun in a massive way. Whatever effects the Sun will automatically have an equally big effect on all life on Earth. Unavoidably so. Anyway, the disaster was going to finally hit our material plane sometime between 2022 - 2024. He gave that talk in late 2019 - 2020.
Once it hits - whatever it is - times are going to get hard for the entire planet in a way it hadn't yet when he gave that satsang.
You can see the original post here:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/210855.html?page=2#comments
It's in the reply to Boccaccio on Russia and the NS-Pipeline and was my Tarot divination to answer his question as to whom might have blown the NS-Pipeline up (spoiler alert: my divination pointed to the UK and Russia later admitted they have cracked cellphone intel of convos between UK elites admitting to planning it)...
As to your general questions I think you're on the right track. ALL of the nutty things we keep seeing in society around us are also being effected by what's happening on more subtle planes. Not all of it - maybe not even most of it - need be due to demons (although I wouldn't be surprised if such nefarious beings might use the calamity for their own opportunistic ends).
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-04 09:52 am (UTC)op
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-04 10:29 am (UTC)happypanda - do you recall if Sadhguru gave any suggestions on managing energy in practices as this unfolds?
"He gave that talk in late 2019"
So just around the time of the emergence of the covid experience
"whatever it is - times are going to get hard for the entire planet in a way it hadn't yet when he gave that satsang."
So if 2020/21 was the starter course (covid), 2022 saw drinks being brought to the table, 2023 sees the restaurant staff through the kitchen door preparing to bring out the first part of the main course. Great! /sarc
happypanda - Thank you for taking the time to find the original link, if you manage to find any further references to this business I'm fascinated to read more.
JMG - if this is veering too far off the focus theme of these open posts... maybe better suited to a Magic Monday?
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-06 05:25 pm (UTC)However, that's getting off-topic for this thread.
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-07 08:36 pm (UTC)(Disclaimer, I was an active volunteer with Sadhguru's foundation for three years)
I've shared them last year here so I think it's okay share them again given that we've touched upon alternative health modalities and the topic came up. If not, well, deleted it is. I have seen people's health improve considerably with regular practice. I used to facilitate these exercises in public libraries before the pandemic for the foundation, most of them can be done by people all ages but there are modifications for people with health conditions, above 60 or for children so follow attentively. This set of practices has been designed for unmonitored teaching, but still care and commons sense needs to be taken, don't push yourself. They should be done at least an hour after a meal unless otherwise noted.
Here is a full set of practices that can be done individually or all together in this order but it's no biggie if you do a different set. Loose clothes and close to a window is best, a ghee lamp can be lit far enough that you won't knock it over or burn anything but relatively close, in order to create an ambiance. If you prefer outside, pick a place with no direct sunlight. Once you learn them it's best if you do them on your own and just check back occasionally to see if you haven't strayed. It should take about an hour to do the full set.
Upa Yoga - Joint and neck rotations to release energy blockages and tensions; deep squatting for strengthening the spine; a cleansing alternate nostril breathing with AUM chanting. A tip here for Yoga Namaskar(the deep sqaut) is that it's more important to keep proper posture than to reach all the way. Don't neglect if you need a cushion on the heels for support, that makes it easier for people that don't have flexible hips. Takes an hour and a half to learn and about 30 minutes to do once you know them.
Simha Kriya - Simple pranayama for increasing energy levels relating to health and the lungs. It generates a little heat in the system, that's the intention. Don't hold more than it's comfortable for you. If you have learned Simha Kriya in another program, use that, this is a simpler and safer version done online. 10 minutes to learn, 5 to practice.
Isha Kriya - Guided meditation 20 minutes to learn and about 10 to practice.
Yoga Yoga Yogeshwaraya chant - This also generates a little heat but it's more focused towards the immune system. What sitting in yoga mudra means is explained in the upa yoga video. Basically, cross-legged, with left foot closest to the body, heel touching or as close as posible to the perineum, right foot placed in front of it. Arms placed on the lap, loose like a rope, with the index and thumb of both hands touching at the tips, forming a circle. All fingers together, just as the video shows. This hand gesture should be tight up to the wrist but no more than that, the arm should be relaxed. Hold your spine comfortably erect. After you finish, take your time to open your eyes. About 5-7 minutes to learn and practice.
You can find all this at isha.sadhguru.org and for questions or concerns you can contact me or practice support at practicesupport@ishausa.org
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happypanda, I look forward to your blog! I enjoyed it a lot. And I didn't know he published a video on that, he does seem to be going all out.
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-04 10:43 am (UTC)What you said about the planes and "once it hits" - just brought up a dream I had two nights ago.
I was watching a human trying to start a chainsaw - not in the usual way - they were holding the starter cord and throwing the chainsaw up into the sky 50-100 feet (longer starter cord then!).
Shouting at them about it being a dumb idea (my language in the dream was more colourful) but the human seemed not to care or was oblivious.
Woke up at the point just before the chainsaw started its return journey.
Re: hypothesis and Sadhguru
Date: 2023-01-04 02:32 pm (UTC)Maybe if he just heard Gates and co "predicting", he just adapted their prediction using the subtle body.
Sadhguru plagiarises Vivekananda IMHO
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Date: 2023-01-03 08:15 pm (UTC)It looks like we're now allowed to admit that vaccines might have side effects, as long as they're Chinese-made vaccines: AP News, "China races to vaccinate elderly, but many are reluctant"
So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-04 12:37 am (UTC)I always seem to be the last person to get such things but this clicked more meaningfully for me today.
Took us most of two years to figure out what we've known since the year of the Spanish Flu. Modern fixations towards "no, we must do it another, creative, new and better way" always reminds me of the billion dollar studies to tell us what our grandmas knew 100 years ago to get the green light that it's okay.
Why have we lost so much confidence in human perception? I see this in many areas of life and seems to be generally true in the industrial world. Could it be that since school we've been taught to get the right approved answer and no else otherwise you'll get yelled at and not be loved? That very effectively makes us square and afraid of your own inner gut. Doesn't that make us stupid, gullible and obedient with a visceral reaction rooted in childhood trauma? Gulp. It's the perfect manipulation of the vice of progress because it's abstract, subtle and yet overarching. The popular clothing brand "obey" comes to mind. There doesn't even seem to be a need to make it subliminal anymore, we are already living in the satire.
I've spent some while thinking about this today trying to find some "higher reason" and I couldn't find any but the fact that perhaps why concepts as the "seven deadly sins" are called the seven deadly sins, because they are, and it really does erode us individually and collectively in the core to the degree that when you are in it, you can't tell. This makes it much more powerful for me to want to distance myself further, because otherwise you get tricked by the group mind goggles that makes you think everything is alright... until it is not and can't figure out what went wrong. I now find that blindness more scary than having to face it and makes me want to get much closer to things that bring clarity and distance from group thinking, such as spirituality and occultism and congenial communities instead of constantly having to keep my guards up. As humans we have imperfect knowledge and can't help but be influenced by our surroundings. Obviously as a citizen of the industrial world, it must have many hooks in me that I am probably not seeing right now. These open posts really are a blessing for a time when craziness abounds and provide the necessary contrast to extract them from my mind.
Thanks JMG and everyone for it! It's great medicine, and of the kind that works.
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-04 10:06 am (UTC)"Why have we lost so much confidence in human perception?" is an excellent question, which also contains a pathway out of the trap... ie - begin to develop and trust one's own perceptions a bit more... and, at least, realise that whatever the billion dollar studies say, they, too, are resting upon human perceptions - however augmented with sense-extending technologies, and digital processing.
But beyond that, is the question, "Why have we stopped paying attention to (directing our perception-sensing faculties towards) what the other beings* sharing this world have to tell us, and why have we so narrowed our listening and watching as to be restricting ourselves to that tiny slice of nature currently known as 'human expertise'"?
*And by "beings" I broadly include every kind that might be categorised either under the rubric of "biota" or - in a JMG coinage - "theota". Both native to this world, which is also our world.
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-05 07:07 pm (UTC)That's an excellent point, it does seem to have the answer within itself, it's just that we seem to place more weight in some perceptions more than others then. Machine confirmed perceptions are more important than the perceptions of their creators now, and now we attack the human perception.
It's about putting more trust on the abstraction, the mechanized extension of the senses, than on the real ones, which is like walking to the edge of a long board and then removing the support on the base.
I think we've taken this too far and have mistaken the tools, having projected into them a certain fascination towards the animation we've given them.
If you look for the message it's odd because it seems like a way of attacking the human condition directly. "This is what I feel, this is what the machine says. See? I'm worthless because they don't say the same thing and we must be wrong on every other human perception then, let's ditch the whole thing and upload consciousness to robots."
Of course this started because human perception is extremely personal and we do have biases and limited processing power but it is a though we've taken only that about being human and projected an "uber human" image into machines because they do those things better. It's like a vicious circle, the more our inner senses and intuitions are drowned in the noise, the less we think of being human and the more we worship these robots that have these subset capacities exalted, the same we do with gods but instead of them raising us, is about us diminishing ourselves so that machines seem godlike.
Perhaps we should think of the extension of the human senses which are exclusively material, machines, as a way to understand just that, the material world exclusively and nothing else, considering the other areas inappropriate for measurements and only complementing human perception.
That's why I focused the exercises I shared a couple weeks ago towards regaining some of the awareness of body, mind and how it transacts with the world. It starts teaching you the skills to regain this perceptions, in this case in particular towards health.
As to why it happened? I think we are still figuring that out, with the "disenchantment" idea of Weber; or the malign spell that we've put to ourselves with greed, but don't really now the "higher why" besides that becoming super greedy as a species by destroying the very place that supports us is a terribly bad idea because it leads to these things reflected in us, hamstringing ourselves in so many ways.
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-06 06:49 am (UTC)I think that one is meant so that we don't have to see the damage that we've done to the habitat of all those other beings, including and specially non-physical beings and beings that don't have mouths. If it's just an animal or a plant that has no consciousness (have you seen how many times their consciousness has been questioned? or rather, how few a times we consider them conscious) then you don't have to treat them as alive and transacting with us one way or the other besides them being food and a nuisance to the people that want their land, which makes us feel better about being jerks.
I asked a local river some time ago, why are you so sad? Since that's the feeling I got when I couldn't stop looking at it while hiking. Three images appeared in my mind: what felt like a memory of when it was in better health, a cracked piece of soil and a human like simple figure that was bleeding out with a sense of helplessness. If we treated such things as alive as we did before, it would be much harder to justify treating them like a resource...
River liked the prayer, but man that sadness :-( It's been a while, I should do another offering at the banks. I do know how crazy that sounds!
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-06 07:16 pm (UTC)Yes, we need to have those kinds of conversations with rivers, and other beings... :)
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-07 03:45 am (UTC)Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-04 03:40 pm (UTC)One reason is that the biggest sin in Western society is to notice. Do not see the pattern, do not see the obvious answer, do not believe your lying eyes. Trust only the narrative. We have always been at war with Eastasia. To believe anything else is crimethought.
AV
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-05 12:25 am (UTC)We have to lose our minds to come to our senses...
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-05 07:16 pm (UTC)That's how occultism feels to me.
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-05 07:16 pm (UTC)Oof. I didn't notice that while growing up, but I am also an aspie that grew up in an agricultural town. More generally it does seem to be the case for the western world we've had some trauma to deal with collectively but don't seem to be eager in solving them.
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-04 06:46 pm (UTC)Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-05 07:20 pm (UTC)Hmm. So if we personify society we are at the brink of the psychotic break that leads to the tearing of the mind and results in schizophrenia... thus not knowing the difference between black and white, left and right and having all jumbled up. You know what, I think it's the other way around, we are already in the schizophrenic state and that's why we can't tell what's what and we don't trust human perception, we have to get the same reality checks schizophrenics do when they ask if that is really there.
Re: So this is what not living under a rock feels like
Date: 2023-01-06 12:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 06:58 pm (UTC)https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/xi-jinping-s-fatal-error/ar-AA15XQcd
grudgingly admits that China's inactivated-virus vaccines "are effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization, but only at higher doses." (Is that not the most that anyone now claims for ours?) The Chinese decision not to import mRNAs is described as "Beijing has insisted on homemade vaccines." Homemade! Given China's status as one of the nations with the greatest industrial capacity and scientific employment, is that not a racist dogwhistle? Yes, yes it is. Why would the Chinese government presume that we actually meant to help them?
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
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Date: 2023-01-03 08:21 pm (UTC)Convincing the elderly, chronically ill, and mentally unstable to die rather than seek treatment is a good way to free up resources for other purposes. In other words, it'll be triage by another name. I've also noticed that a lot of people are beginning to come around to the notion that all, or nearly all, the vaccinated are going to die, which could, if it became widespread, lead to a lot of them deciding to end their life on their terms rather than suffer first. The vaccinated are also, disproportionately likely to listen to their doctors, who are now pushing suicide.
I haven't seen any mechanism I find plausible which will kill all or even a solid majority of the vaccinated in the years ahead. On the other hand, I have seen mechanisms likely to cause most of them serious illnesses which will require medical treatment, and if they live in a country with medically assisted suicide, I could see a huge fraction of them pressured into suicide.
This is especially true if the theory articulated by Rintrah Radagast catches on, that the immune systems of the vaccinated are damaged and driving illnesses because they are chronically infected with disease. If this catches on, then there's a way to argue that the suicide is actually for the benefit of society, by removing a source of disease! In a good many cases, they'd probably be able to survive, but will be talked into it by their doctors; and may not even be given a choice in many cases.
I really hope I'm wrong, but my guess is that this process will be well under way by the end of the year.
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Date: 2023-01-03 09:51 pm (UTC)At least I see no such trend in Germany or Europe.
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:29 pm (UTC)It's being made legal all throughout the western world, slowly and steadily; and I fully expect to see it marketed as things get uglier.
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 03:16 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 10:03 am (UTC)*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
(with apologies for obscurity and cheek)
Transplants and What do they do with the Organs?
Date: 2023-01-04 04:57 pm (UTC)In 1999 I drove a limousine in Florida. I regularly drove to private airports in the middle of the night to pick up Transplant Team Doctors who were either delivering organs, or coming to a hospital to remove or "harvest" them.
When they were finished harvesting they would put, at least some of them, like maybe a liver or kidney, in a regular cooler, you or I might buy, I would drive them to the waiting jet, and they would fly to another city, where there was a person waiting to receive.
They were supposed to be or claimed to be a "non profit" organization.
At first I thought it was all very noble but then for some reason, perhaps I asked if they just donate or give the parts to the recipients? and they said , "Oh, no." And they then began itemizing how much each of the parts were worth (as if it was almost amusing). At that time (according to those doctors) the parts in a human body were worth approximately 1 million dollars. And they seemed to use everything, including lungs, skin and bone.
I began to get a distaste for this.
Later on another flight different doctors (same organization) began to pester me that I should be driving for free, since their mission was non-profit.
I was angry and asked, "Why, you're getting paid aren't you? You're not just doing this for free, are you?
They admitted they were getting paid.
"And you sell all the parts of the body don't you? Isn't each body worth about a million dollars to you?"
Well, I was never sent to pick up transplant doctors again. The whole business had become very dubious to me. I understand the desire to save lives but I personally know several people who were eager to have transplants, went through all sorts of horror to get them, and then the transplant only lasted 2-5 years tops, with all sorts of hospital visits and procedures in between, all costing much money. And when they were offered another transplant, they said, "No, never again."
Hopefully the situation has improved since then and transplants are lasting longer. I've heard of some lasting twenty years and that seems amazing and entirely worth it. But then I wonder, how many are like this? I really hope my lingering concerns are ill founded.
Re: Transplants and What do they do with the Organs?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 03:55 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 05:27 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 02:07 pm (UTC)And if the rulers start thinking it's a great idea, it'll be pushed by media / health / politicians regardless of what the locals think, just like covid. There's nothing keeping policies to a single country anymore.
Aquamarine Invisible Moose
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Date: 2023-01-07 02:44 am (UTC)the fact that china bankrolls said organization to a large extent, and yet refused the mrna crapcines, is something i have a difficult time squaring up in my head.
perhaps the fact that western nations are starting to promote assisted suicide just might give a guy who thinks in longer terms, say, further out than the next quarter's earnings as one example, the idea that "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" is a winning strategy?
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:05 pm (UTC)Everyone will die someday. I see a lot of apocalyptic language and in a way, I think that is what people want to see and be present for, like fixating on nuclear apocalypse, climate change, or any other type of snowballing calamity. Perhaps people are trying to bring about the apocalypse or immanentize the eschaton, but I don't know if I see that.
Like you said too though, people will likely be sicker. This was like taking most people up an elevator a few floors of sickness instead of one step at a time. I've seen some literature that shows effects do wane eventually and those that continuously boost, which is a diminishing number of people are in the worst position. But like with smoking, or being out in the sun too long, it is not guaranteed you will develop the worst possible outcome.
I'm not sure where this will level off, but I hope by the end of the year there is some serious retrospective look into sudden deaths to map out vaccine status (frequency, time, dose). So others can be armed with the helpful protocols that diminish effects and start to work towards being overall more healthy.
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Date: 2023-01-03 10:23 pm (UTC)MAID
Date: 2023-01-03 11:23 pm (UTC)The "conspiracy theory" that the world's ruling class sold their souls to the dark forces of the universe in exchange for power is beginning to make sense.
Raymond R
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Date: 2023-01-04 01:30 am (UTC)It's gotten me thinking, what would a mass suicide scenario look like? I should say, when I talk about a mass suicide scenario, I don't mean something that happens all at once, although it is possible we may see a few Jonestown scenarios along the way. I'd see it as more of a general normalization of suicide which goes along with greatly increased suicide rates. Canada may be paving the route that western "progressive" culture in general will follow.
What would a normalization of suicide look like? It could start the way it's happening now in Canada, with an increasing list of conditions that suicide is considered an acceptable solution, including psychiatric conditions in young people. Eventually, it would lead to basically anyone who's suicidal being able to get themselves a diagnosis where assisted suicide could be prescribed. Along with this, the narratives around suicide would shift in general, and it would become not only acceptable but encouraged for certain groups. This sounds like it's already happening in Canada with people that are ill enough to be a drain on the medical system, but once that ball is rolling it could eventually end up with people simply enduring normal hardships of life being encouraged to commit suicide.
One shift I'd watch for as a clue that mass suicide might really take off soon is a movement against "suicide prevention". I could see articles starting to show up saying that suicide prevention is a harmful paradigm in psychology, that people who feel they want to kill themselves are better off actually doing it rather than living in misery, and trying to stop them should be put into the same category as trying to stop trans people from transitioning. Guilt would be placed on those trying to prevent suicides, "Your friend/loved one is better off dead than alive. You need to let them go. If the pain of losing them is unbearable for you then you could always consider suicide as well." Suicide could come to be seen as a courageous last stand against an unjust world.
This could only go so far, as natural selection would stop such a movement from perpetuating itself all that long. The question is, how much would the death toll be by the time it's done?
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Date: 2023-01-04 07:01 pm (UTC)There are two other things I'd watch for as well at the movement against suicide prevention: the first would be a chance in the laws to permit adults to euthanize their children, since a lot of parents won't be willing to leave their kids without support; and the second one would be for a systematic effort to euthanize those who suffer from dementia. They cannot consent, obviously, but they tolerably often are suffering quite severely, and if suicide/euthanasia are going to go mainstream, I'd expect to see it implemented there as well.
Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-03 08:28 pm (UTC)1. It’s a good study, but still only one (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798). They validated their findings using quite a few different approaches. I do not doubt their findings with regard to a dramatic increase in anti-inflammatory IgG4 spike antibodies after multiple mRNA vaccinations, but it would be helpful to see it replicated.
2. The link between IgG4 tolerance and negative vaccine efficacy remains to be proven. We don’t yet have a direct correlation between IgG4 antibody levels and risk or severity of infection.
3. There are other potential explanations for negative vaccine efficacy. Among these are a) Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Infection (ADEI), wherein the antibody response facilitates rather than inhibits infection, b) a broader-scale immune reprogramming/depletion induced by vaccination (e.g. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256520v1), or c) a simple game of catch-up, given that the most-vaccinated people are still the least likely to have been infected to date (whether due to early vaccine efficacy or simply to being the most careful to avoid situations where viral spread is likely) (https://unglossed.substack.com/p/of-course-the-uber-boosted-are-the).
4. Despite these caveats, I think that tolerance is real and is contributing to the current high level of covid infections and excess deaths.
5. We should collectively have anticipated tolerance as a likely risk of repeated genetic vaccination. As Brian Mowrey writes: “…using host cells to produce a foreign antigen, absent associated molecular markers of viral infection, intrinsically risks tolerance: The immune system must associate spike protein with “self.”” (https://unglossed.substack.com/p/tolerance-maims-and-kills-potential) Developers of mRNA vaccines are not oblivious to this; they have even successfully developed a *tolerance-inducing* mRNA vaccine in mice: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-021-00880-0
6. Tolerance is probably mostly an mRNA thing. It is almost certainly going to be specific to *genetic* vaccinations, in which the body attacks its own cells serving as antigen factories rather than some injected particles carrying the antigens. The authors of the study found almost no IgG4 antibodies in people who had received a lifetime of tetanus vaccinations. It also appears to be substantially lower with the viral vector genetic vaccines, at least according to the one study published so far. This may be related to a lower spike dose and shorter duration of spike exposure, which correlates with a lower rate of post-vaccination fever and illness. The viral vector vaccines also generate antibodies against the vector itself, which makes boosters less likely to make it past the body’s defenses to generate spike protein.
7. Tolerance requires multiple exposures. It is unlikely to develop after a single shot; in fact, the second shot typically elicits a more severe reaction since the immune system was primed (rendered *less* tolerant) by the first one.
8. Tolerance is the inverse of reactivity. People who experienced a significant acute reaction to their second shot (high fever, body aches, etc.) but a more subdued reaction to their third and later shots are most likely developing some degree of spike tolerance.
9. Reactivity can probably induce tolerance. Given that there are no actual viruses or other signatures of infection present, it is likely that the “intelligence arm” of the immune system perceives the reactive, inflammatory response to the second dose as a mistake – along the lines of an overreaction to a bee sting. This will tend to lead to development of tolerance over time, particularly with additional exposures. Thus the fact that the mRNA shots make most people sicker than any other vaccination in common use is likely related to their propensity to induce tolerance.
10. There will likely be a wide range of individual variability in tolerance, despite identical exposures. This is true in the allergy world, e.g. with bee stings and responses to allergy shots. Individual immune responses vary widely, especially when it comes to tolerance vs. reactivity to a particular antigen following a particular pattern of exposure.
11. IgG4 tolerance is not “VAIDS” or broader-scale immunodeficiency. I don’t like “VAIDS” as a term. AIDS is a specific condition caused by progressive infection and destruction of CD4+ T-cells by HIV. Whatever might be occurring with immunodeficiency in the current context, it isn’t that, and so the effects will be different. I also don’t agree with Rintrah’s reasoning that tolerance to covid spike will equate to tolerance to flu and other viruses because viruses share functional parts (https://www.rintrah.nl/the-trainwreck-of-all-trainwrecks-billions-of-people-stuck-with-a-broken-immune-response/). Antibodies are sufficiently *specific* in their binding (even losing binding ability with mutations in the same virus), and respiratory viruses are sufficiently different, that this should not be a thing.
12. If covid infection leads to general immunodeficiency, then IgG4 tolerance may cause general immunodeficiency *indirectly*. This could occur due to frequent or chronic infection with SARS-CoV2 as a result of spike tolerance, assuming that infection is at least temporarily immunosuppressive as has been suggested and as is true also with measles.
13. mRNA vaccination may also directly cause general immunodeficiency or a reprogramming of immune response leading to a weaker response toward some targets like fungi or cancer cells. There are some hints in this direction, and it is reasonable to hypothesize that the immune system might respond to the self-attack induced by mRNA vaccination by broadly suppressing activity. This would however be a different mechanism than IgG4 tolerance and remains to be thoroughly investigated. It is even possible that the development of *specific* IgG4 tolerance over time might allow the immune system to relax its more *general* immunosuppressive tolerance in the context of continuing mRNA vaccination.
14. The negative effects of spike tolerance are likely to be mediated through failure to resist infection, toxicity of cumulative spike exposure, and direct viral tissue damage due to higher viral loads and longer duration of infection. If specific IgG4 tolerance is taking effect in the multiply-boosted, we would expect to see people getting infected with SARS-CoV2 more often, suffering more severe infections, taking longer to clear the virus, and suffering more cardiac complications linked to spike exposure. As noted above, though, tolerance is not the *only* hypothesis that could explain these things.
15. I would expect tolerance to be much more of a concern in the boosted (and especially the multiply-boosted) than in people who just received an original mRNA vaccination series. This is borne out to a limited extent by the fact that breakthrough infection substantially amplified IgG4 antibodies in the boosted but much less so in people who had only received the initial series (Fig. S8 of the linked study).
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-03 10:19 pm (UTC)Heh, to me this is one of those "you thought you were sooo smart" moments. Meaning, many of us in fact did anticipate the opposite - that having your cells express spike would engender autoimmune disease - but the next step, that maybe the body would react by prompting tolerance, eluded us. Me, anyway.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 08:04 am (UTC)I get confused! ;-) ;-/
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 06:07 pm (UTC)It's a normal response to a perceived error/overreaction.
It is/was also reasonable to expect that the shots would induce autoimmunity, by virtue of causing a self-attack. In the purest sense, they *do* induce some level of acute autoimmunity in *everyone* who takes them, because the otherwise-healthy cells that produce spike are attacked and often killed by the immune system. This is quite likely the cause of the myocarditis and other acute inflammation.
I suspect that they do induce chronic autoimmunity in a subset of people, and that the ongoing multi-system debilitating hell that is described by many of the Real Not Rare sufferers is primarily autoimmune in origin.
The key point though is that repeated genetic vaccination creates an *unstable equilibrium* situation. The periodic self-attack on spike-producing cells - which is perceived as an error - will need to be resolved. The most satisfactory way to resolve it - to stop the attack while avoiding general autoimmunity or general immune suppression - is to learn to tolerate the spike protein when it appears. So I am not surprised to see tolerance as the most common response to repeated injection, while autoimmunity is a less common response that usually occurs after the first or second injection.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 07:36 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 10:18 pm (UTC)PS In my country the waiting time for ablation is still triple since they were first published in August 2021 suggesting a sustained high demand for the treatment.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 02:29 am (UTC)https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
"Circulating Spike Protein Detected in Post–COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis"
So, maybe the heart cells are producing spike and there is then an autoimmune attack mounted against them, or maybe it is a general cardiovascular inflammation from circulating spike? I'm not sure if anyone has yet isolated spike protein directly from heart cells.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 03:34 pm (UTC)"So, maybe the heart cells are producing spike and there is then an autoimmune attack mounted against them, or maybe it is a general cardiovascular inflammation from circulating spike?"
Considering the data, the second looks more likely to me. It seems that heart-troubles are still prevalent and the English data still show most of the excess mortality is due to cardiovascular and liver problems. Yet the vaccination campaign seems to be mostly over in the UK. That yields the same situation as the Netherlands where the vaccination campaign is almost over but the incidence of heartproblems stays very high. If it is an autoimmune attack that causes it, there must be very late diagnosis or a small scale auto-immune attack that continues for a long time. If it is a general inflammation from circulating spike the occurance of serious problems could happen after a longer time. That seems more likely, but I'm the first to admit that I lack the proper medical knowledge to know for sure. What do you think?
"I'm not sure if anyone has yet isolated spike protein directly from heart cells."
I don't know of any solid proof, but I think spike protein in the heart was proven to be likely in Michael Moerz publication of an autopsy of a vaxx victim (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651). Figure 13 of the study has the following text "Heart left ventricle. Positive reaction for SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Cross section through a capillary vessel" Of course n=1, and a capillary vessel is not an actual heart cell, but that is as close as I know of. A leaky capillary vessel could easily have spike enter a heartcell, or is this less likely than it sounds?
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 04:50 pm (UTC)In some people (particularly if the needle is not aspirated and the injection is into a blood vessel) the mRNA-LNP particles will circulate in the blood, and some will probably enter cells in the heart and cause spike production there. That said, spike binds to ACE2 receptors on the cell surface, and cells in the heart have these receptors (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32227090/), so even if the spike isn't *produced* there but is circulating in the blood it could easily end up bound to the cell surface and triggering an inflammatory response.
It's sort of a gray area as to whether this might be called "autoimmunity." If we define autoimmunity as the body attacking its own healthy cells, then it fits. If we define autoimmunity as the body attacking a self-antigen, then it doesn't fit, since it's attacking a foreign antigen (spike) that is present on healthy cells. As long as the attack is spike-dependent and doesn't extend to other self-antigens, most scientists would probably not describe it as autoimmune, though of course it is still damaging and dangerous.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 07:41 pm (UTC)Anyway, thank you for your continued engagement on this forum Mark!
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 10:19 am (UTC)It really is a fascinating line of thinking and I'm especially curious as to what either of you would make of it.
Here is the direct link to the pdf of yet another paper of his, called "Metabolic features and regulation of the healing cycle—A new model for chronic disease pathogenesis and treatment".
https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S1567724918301053?token=35BAA516E7AC444C3F90061F859FF38EBFF6F5B8DFE25CE22BA6EBBCAFA539232E8392591D9AF5AAA8FD80B75C326049&originRegion=eu-west-1&originCreation=20230104101346
*in the specific case, a vaccine injury, but he does not deal with the specifics of injury, but general characteristics of the phases of healing, and what happens when the transition phases of healing are prevented or interrupted.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 08:55 pm (UTC)This is one of the longest scientific papers I have encountered and it references a whole body of Naviaux' previous work. As I am not myself in the practice of medicine or in need of healing a chronic condition, I probably won't have the time or bandwidth to thoroughly investigate and understand his paradigm.
A few thoughts based on a fast reading:
1. It is often said that humans go mad in groups and regain their sanity one by one. This paper makes the case that cells are injured in groups and regain their health one by one. Which is to say that they decouple from their functional roles of secreting, interacting, signaling, etc. and activate a healing pathway, and only once healing is complete do they return to their regular function.
2. If cells get stuck in incomplete healing, then system function fails to recover and chronic illness results. My impression here is that Naviaux believes that this failure of cellular healing is *causal* to a great deal of chronic disease. I think it is likely that in many cases it is an *effect* of some cause that may be far distant from mitochondrial health, and so while this paradigm will help with our understanding of chronic disease, it will not likely generate universal silver bullets for healing.
3. "Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) is an energy conservation program—a suite of metabolic and gene expression changes—that permits persistence under harsh environmental conditions at the expense of reduced functional capacity, chronic suffering, and disability". I have friends and family members who suffer from this debilitating condition, and this is a most interesting functional hypothesis. Skimming over the linked paper (https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1607571113), it appears that he has discovered a distinct metabolite profile for ME/CFS, which should help to dispel claims that the disease is somehow not real or psychological in origin. I will certainly be keeping on eye on this research to see if promising treatments can be developed.
4. "The default state in both the brain and peripheral tissues is CDR activation. In the absence of additional information, danger and threat are assumed. Healing is an active process that requires positive reinforcement with non-danger, safety and security signals from the brain. Brain inflammation can last for a lifetime after physical injury (Johnson et al., 2013) or early life stress (ELS) and psychological trauma (Cameron et al., 2017)." Again, very interesting... Cells will focus on individual healing unless/until they receive coordinating signals of body health. So there are both intrinsic (individual cell damage/healing) and extrinsic (brain, signaling) pathways required for a restoration of normal tissue function.
5. "An interesting point about chronic disease is that every non-infectious, chronic illness is caused by a perfect storm of several factors, not by one factor. The chances that this perfect storm of factors for a particular disease will occur for any one patient in a population of millions is small. But once disease strikes, the small initial probability rises to 100% certainty for that person. Therefore, as the environmental factors like pollution and food chain contamination start to increase, more people are exposed to risk, and more individuals will develop chronic illness. Reducing the environmental factors that contribute to risk will reduce the incidence of chronic illness." I like this holistic perspective...
6. "The path that permits a patient to exit any given disease state, i.e., to recover from chronic illness, may be the same for hundreds of diseases. A new generation of drugs and devices designed to unblock the healing cycle may turn out to be able to treat many diseases. Only time, and good clinical trials, will tell if this hypothesis is true." He does still seem to be operating within the overall Progress-genomics-pharmaceutical paradigm, with the belief that new wonder drugs can be developed that specifically aid the cellular healing cycle and that could potentially cure many chronic diseases with few side effects. I suspect that is wishful thinking.
7. Overall, the idea that chronic illness requires a different approach than acute illness (a focus on restoring balance, cellular healing, and signaling/integration rather than on addressing particular mechanistic failures) seems overdue, and I hope that some real breakthroughs can come from this - not just new drugs but a better holistic approach to addressing chronic illness.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 01:08 pm (UTC)1. I love the way that you have phrased this line of thought. :)
2. I don't know if it helps to say that this is how he phrases the difference between initial injury (or cause of damage) and failure to heal (ie - to progress through several evolutionarily highly conserved heuristics which bring the damaged tissues/organs/whole body back to health, but in the sense of developing a conversation on this point, he says: "In chronic illness, the original triggering event is often remote, and may no longer be present. Emerging evidence shows that most chronic illness is caused by the biological reaction to an injury, and not the initial injury, or the agent of injury itself." ("Metabolic Features and Regulation of the Healing Cycle", Mitochondrion, 2019). He is, I think, recommending that after the initial, acute stages of a disease or injury, when the cause of damage is still relevant, it makes sense to set the triggering event to one side (unless there is still a source of it present in the environment, in which it needs to be removed), it is important to turn our attention to the body's healing programme and find out where and how it has become blocked - from doing what it knows how to do - to heal. I cannot tell you how happy it makes me to see someone take this theoretically HUGE step - to go from analysing disease, to studying healing! :) This is not to say he has it all right, more to say that he has taken a first step on a *different* path - one which I would love to see more medical researchers and practitioners begin to travel.
3. He often thanks patient advocacy groups for sufferers of ME/CFS for supporting his research, and his support page - https://naviauxlab.ucsd.edu/support/ - seems to indicate that he finds his funding from patients, patient's families and others whose interest lies in healing rather than in selling products. So, from that specific point of view - worth watching.
4. Yes. Fascinating concept... (Which I am also taking as a metaphor of what it might take for our societies and ecologies to heal from a place where many of us are, just like the damaged cells, "focus[sing] on individual healing unless/until [we] receive coordinating signals of body health".
5. Yes, this is what initially grabbed my attention. Here is a medical researcher, working in the same milieu as the clinical researchers coming up with mRNA products, yet takes the "ecological" and holistic view of the body that we, in what is known as "alternative" healthcare, are known to do. I really hope that it is catching!
6. Yes, I think he is definitely in that milieu of looking for new medicines (although he is also a repurposer of old medicines - such as "suramin", discovered in the 1920's), and yet, when I hear him speak, he refers to the fact that not all "salugens" (wonderful coinage!) are drugs - he mentions exercise, and nourishment, and sleep. What I think is that the physiological framework he is developing will be useful to me in my work, even though I work with different "tools" - acupuncture needles and moxa sticks, instead of drugs. :)
7. I have great hopes, too, that this kind of thinking and approach "starts" something. I have a suspicion that this man (whether he knows it or not) is *doing* alchemy, in the sense JMG has described. One of the things he says in a talk is that his lab work (mainly on mitochondria) develops "layers". There is a layer of complexity, he says, and under it a layer of simplicity, and under that another layer of complexity, and another layer of simplicity. And, he adds, I am always trying to get to that underlying simplicity that unifies all of the elements in the complex layer. (I have paraphrased, and hopefully not butchered, his description, but what it adds up to is a process of "solve" "coagula" "solve" "coagula" and he sounds like an alchemist, attending to the domain of medicine, which I cannot help but be attracted to).
Whether he is right or wrong, I really hope that he *inspires*. :)
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-04 09:33 pm (UTC)I have a paper note on my desk with that name (that post sounded fascinating), to look up when I have finished the huge stack of sympathy cards I have to send out today. Two deaths in a week.
Re: Some thoughts on IgG4 tolerance
Date: 2023-01-05 01:13 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-03 08:50 pm (UTC)1) a researcher who wishes to investigate how people heal (as opposed to how to treat symptoms)
2) a researcher who is busy with the "coagula" aspect of medicine - ie bringing various strands together to find the underlying principles involved in healing from all of the different possible injuries life flings at us
3) a researcher who discusses the body as if it were an ecosystem, with full understanding of how ecosystems work
The coincidences that led me to him involved reading several of "midwestern doctor's" recent posts, and noting how often this blogger mentions the TCM concept of "blood stasis" (one which some of you may remember has been "calling out" to me as a useful framing for Covid spike protein injury, however sustained). I got into a deep reading of one of that blogger's posts on dementia and alzheimer's, and came across this2013 paper, "Metabolic features of the Cell Danger Response" https://moscow.sci-hub.se/2263/03d4032a66d355dc010a1eecf0edd912/naviaux2014.pdf#navpanes=0&view=FitH which struck me as being extraordinarily clearly written, for a scientific paper, and chock full of interest on the ways in which an evolutionarily conserved "Cell Danger Response" programme works to protect cells from damage, but can also play a fundamental role in chronic disease.
I got interested in its author Robert Naviaux, and found a more recent 2019 paper - https://www.mdpi.com/2079-7737/8/2/27 - "Incomplete Healing as the Cause of Aging: The Role of Mitochondria and the Cell Danger Response", which is where he lays out the cellular path back to healing, which entails three stages with quite different metabolic signatures, each of which, if it fails to complete, can disturb normal functioning and block proper recovery to health, keeping a person in an intermediate state of prolonged chronic ill health. Again, this paper is very clearly written, and although it contains some technical terms (mostly the names of specific molecules and metabolic processes) and some novel terms (to mark out and name new concepts being discovered), he gives good explanations of these, and follows up with summary sentences explaining the implications. Which is to say this is a scientific paper which is the opposite of arcane. So, I would love to see what some of you doctors and medically literate people think about this - not necessarily restricted to Covid, but as a broad framing of a new approach to healing people from injury of all kinds, and especially from the chronic diseases which are now rife.
And for anyone who doesn't mind video, and who doesn't fancy taking a dip into a scientific paper, here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG5eNvRfH7M - is a one hour talk that the same man did, and I think its fascinating. "The Cell Danger Response, Healing Cycle & Chronic Disease". If there was more medical research, and even more so, more re-framing of medicine into a pursuit of healing, like this, it would be wonderful.
Have at him, y'all.
Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-03 08:50 pm (UTC)I don't think anyone who asks or asked that question wishes the player ill will. Oh well, I guess as human garbage (and I didn't know I was until someone else who'd dared to think a thought was labeled as such) I need to be ready for getting fire hosed as a lunatic fringe conspiracy theorist anytime I dare open my mouth, or keyboard.
A guy from Cincinnati.
I'll throw in a half-hearted "who dey" for all you football fans!
Here is an example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/us-sport/damar-hamlin-buffalo-bills-charlie-kirk-conspiracy-b2254990.html
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-03 09:56 pm (UTC)You can call me Oscar the Grouch, then. Just cold livin' in my trash can, drinkin' my trash cider, spreading the bad news to anyone who walks by.
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 11:34 pm (UTC)https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/commotio-nonsense-wednesday-january
So, on the one hand you have this ultra-rare type of injury that’s never happened before in 100 years of NFL play, which doesn’t fit well with the facts, and requires special pleading to explain inconvenient facts like how Hamlin stood up after the hit, was hard to revive, why he re-coded at the hospital, why he was unable to breathe on his own, or how his chest pads didn’t sufficiently diffuse any trauma ruling out the type of focused strike needed to stop his heart.
On the other hand, you have the MOST COMMON jab injury in the MOST COMMON age cohort in a fully and recently-jabbed individual. At this point, any doctor who prefers commotio cordis to an adrenaline-triggered jab injury is a doctor that can’t do math and has no business diagnosing anybody.
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-03 10:43 pm (UTC)I wonder if a lot of people will be watching that game with baited breath?
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 08:55 pm (UTC)Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 01:08 am (UTC)Just to play with that idea:
If we discover a cause that is unacceptable for the young man's injury than we risk accessing anger.
That would be a big no-no in threatening the narrative.
Best to stick with 'it brought us all together' or some such fuzzy, warm platitude.
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 03:38 am (UTC)Not arguing, just confused, and trying to understand the thing you are saying. Sentimentality is hidden anger... deflection? Always or just sometimes?
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 05:35 am (UTC)I'm guessing at what it means and I don't want to appear heartless but things like feeling warm inside by donating to the injured football player's 'toy drive' (which of course is a good thing) or putting stuffed animals with flowers next to a fence. Sort of a 'feel good' positivity in opposition to 'negativity' i.e. critical inquiry.
Because the critical inquiry might lead someplace you don't want it to go. You might find anger. Better to be an ostrich and deny the vaxx is involved at all because what that might mean *I Am Enraged At What They Did To Him, To Me.* Keep the anger buried under warm, fuzzy, feelings... 'We Are the World, etc..We are the ones who make a brighter day, you and me...etc....' On Twitter accounts belonging to famous athletes who called for prayer I saw comments saying 'This brought us (America) together.' That seems a sentimental warm fuzzy feeling. And actually rather a surface, transient emotion.
I'm not sure how it would relate to other scenarios. I got the 'warm, fuzzy feeling' phrase from a weekend retreat sponsored by a Christian group for marriage renewal. The facilitator kept talking about 'warm, fuzzy feelings.' I didn't want warm, fuzzy feelings, I was young and I wanted consuming passion and fire which I knew, sadly, I'd never have in that relationship.
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-05 02:12 am (UTC)I'm not convinced it's entirely a bad thing, if that is the case.
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-05 05:01 pm (UTC)I don't know if it's similar or not and will have to give it some thought.... but honestly,
what a beauty of an image.
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-06 12:42 am (UTC)Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 03:56 am (UTC)Not arguing, just confused, and trying to understand the thing you are saying. Sentimentality is hidden anger... are we talking deflection? Always or just sometimes?
Re: Human Garbage
Date: 2023-01-04 06:28 am (UTC)approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 09:39 pm (UTC)One of my readers referenced this in discussing a comment on yesterday's Magic Monday open post. He quoted his mother (vaxxed and boosted) as saying the following in a discussion of the vaccines:
"Even if the Covid-19 vaccine kills me, it was a good deal, and given the chance, I'd do it again even knowing that it would cost my life."
Has anyone else seen anything like this? I find such utterances profoundly creepy, to use no stronger language. Wasn't the point of the vaccines to save lives? The Twitter post is very obviously virtue signaling -- notice the telltale insistence that the people on her side were acting out of love and those who disagree with her could only have been acting out of hatred -- but Anon's mother's comment doesn't even have that element.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:06 pm (UTC)Most people I know 3+ times injected think this way - a good person submits to the societal experiment; if it turns fowl, it's more important to have done the "right thing" and died "for the cause." Even Maajid Narwaz started his Christmas special show with Neil Oliver saying that getting 2 injections, though he did not believe in them, showed he is a good person (rather than a crazy person), and Neil did not object to this insanity.
"The cause" is freeing humanity from boundaries - death, suffering, illness. The boundaries are what prevent us from reaching our potential. It's the belief system of a toddler who can't think, is what I think.
Especially common in the older generation - grandparents/ 60+ - to say, literally, "I'm glad I won't be alive for what's to come." I've had 3 people from separate circles say this to me in practically the same words.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 04:58 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 03:59 pm (UTC)It's actually a suicidal cult, dangerous cult as psychologists used to say.
Jim Jones, Waco, Heaven's Gate have nothing on this cult
The people that called them Branch Covidians was spot on
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 01:39 am (UTC)The attitude of my Father and Step Mother is we are just going to do what we are told, not rock the boat and hope we die before it all falls apart.......
Its been a bit of a shocker.....
I cant uderstand the complete lack of willingness to at least try and leave thing in a better place even if it means sacrificing....what better time of life to sacrifice.....
But they and many in their age group just want to eek out more easy life for as long as they can....
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:18 pm (UTC)One major troubling piece of info I've kept close to the chest is that I ran a tarot spread on the top 20 people in my life back when the vaccines were debuting to the general public and roughly asked "Will x be harmed in any way by this medical product?". Of that 20, about 12 ended up taking the vaccine. Of that group, My spreads indicated that 6 would have little to no problems, 4 would be harmed to some moderate degree, 1 would be severely harmed and 1 other would die (The tower and death cards were very prominent). The most prominent member of that aforementioned discussion, who's had increasing health concerns over the past year, was the one who got that death reading. So far, the other predictions appear to have been accurate, outside the severe one, so I'm sitting here on the sideline hoping that this spread turns out not to be true, gods willing.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:11 am (UTC)US population (according to google): 332 million
12 vacinees out of 20, projected on the population: 199.2 million
4 out of 12 vacinees with some moderate harm, projected: 66.4 million
1 out of 12 vacinees with severe harm, projected: 16.6 million
1 out of 12 vacinees dying, projected: 16.6 million
5 vacinees out of 20 harmed in some form, projected: 83 million
8 out of 20 intact, projected on the population: 132.8 million
6 out of 12 vacinees unharmed, projected: 99.6 million
14 out of 20 unlesioned, projected: 232.4 million
18 out of 20 ambulatory, projected: 298.8 million
How far down the population bell curve are we? Minus the dead, 2013; Minus the severely injured 2006; counting the unlesioned, 1983; counting the intact, 1940.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:28 pm (UTC)And of course dying from the vaccine could mean a whole range of things from the apocalyptic, which hasn't so far been true, to a noticeable decline in the average age of death which currently seems more likely. Same thought on injuries as well.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:04 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 10:35 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:34 pm (UTC)It makes me think about the famous Homer Simpson quote
"That's a problem for Future Homer. Boy I don't envy that guy."
Right before he pours a beer into a jar of mayo, shakes it up, and chugs the whole thing down.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:37 pm (UTC)I haven't seen anything quite that nuts in the real world, but close. All the people who ostracized and scapegoated me are now acting like it never happened and they appear to be genuinely hurt and confused by the fact that I am suddenly angry at them for absolutely no reason whatsoever. When I try to explain, it just goes in one ear and out the other.
I was invited to a swanky holiday party and everyone kept talking about how everyone's getting covid, while simultaneously bragging about getting the latest booster. The champion had seven of them under her belt and had only gotten covid two or three times. Denial is powerful stuff. I don't wanna be there when the bubble pops.
Sawdust
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:37 pm (UTC)The rest of us have been busy trying to sidestep(or not) the many "heroic" actions by the helpless to preserve life and sanity and we appear to them as hateful, cowards as we seem unwilling to die for the cause. In the mean time, we watch as much of what was a humane world gets flushed in the name of heroism.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:39 pm (UTC)This may also explain why my intuition has been saying to make sure everyone thinks I'm vaccinated: it only takes a small number of lunatics to take a lot of lives, and if people think they're about to die for doing something noble, why not take out a few hateful savages on the way out?
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 12:34 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:53 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:48 pm (UTC)“The remarkable thing is that we really love our neighbor as ourselves: we do unto others as we do unto ourselves. We hate others when we hate ourselves. We are tolerant toward others when we tolerate ourselves. We forgive others when we forgive ourselves. We are prone to sacrifice others when we are ready to sacrifice ourselves.”
― Eric Hoffer
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 09:25 pm (UTC)For example, that the thing that brings people TO the point of being willing to sacrifice self and others, is very often a sense that everything they cared about and/or stood for has somehow gone to rack and ruin. An inability to derive contentment or satisfaction with one's own pursuits and purposes drives a need to find a "higher purpose" - a purpose that (by definition) is worthy and not ruined, and the best way to devote oneself to such a purpose is to give one's all. (But also everyone else's all, since how could anyone else's life be more worthy than my their own ruined one?)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15916.The_True_Believer
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-10 03:07 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-09 03:49 pm (UTC)-PW
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:44 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:49 pm (UTC)I have noted on Kimberly's post that it's not a big logical step (even if it is slightly petunia logic) to go from the tweet above to:
"If I die from the vax, it still stops the chain of infection and prevents pressure on the health services, so I'm still one of the Good People for taking it"
There's a comment above on Canada now essentially promoting suicide/euthanasia as well. There's also a soft push here in the UK to basically not seek any medical attention unless you are currently in the process of dying, due to the NHS pretty much being on the point of collapse from staff shortages (I wonder why?) and the sheer number of sick people.
With cost-of-living, crime, addiction, fear of war and general systemic failure, I feel that for a lot of people, it wouldn't take too much to tip them over the edge, just a little voice in the back of their head telling them how easily all the stress could go away...
Mr. Crow
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 03:12 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 04:18 am (UTC)I have only read a few of Steiner's lectures and essays, and probably understood a fraction of that, but if my counting is correct, this Autumn could be interesting. It would mark 144 years from when he stated that demons were cast into the material plane in Autumn of 1879. What's going to happen? I have no idea.
For me it seems that progress has become a suicide cult where status symbols are just funerary incense for a decaying god. Renouncing that by finding a spiritual path is looking more needful every day. I am still not sure of which gods I feel a repoire with, an animist perspective may just have to do for now.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 05:23 pm (UTC)but what I started to say was the line 'funerary incense for a decaying god' reminds me of the torchlights in Triumph of the Will - the famous Leni Reifenstahl film about a massive Nazi rally.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 10:56 pm (UTC)https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-american-public-is-extremely
"One of the few positive aspects of the COVID-19 vaccine campaign is that it has been so egregious, many people I knew who were previously on the fence about vaccines have decided vaccination has serious issues which need to be looked at. Put differently, vaccine safety concerns have gone from a fringe viewpoint very few were even aware of to a mainstream political position."
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 11:07 pm (UTC)These folks are the fundamentalists, the most devout followers of the Religion of Progress. To these people, the call to get vaccinated was a test of their faith, a sacred command issued from all of the highest and most respected sources. They passed and the refusers failed, and it is simply inconceivable that any fellow believer in Progress might refuse for any reason. To me this is somewhat akin to the statements of people who would gladly die for their country or for their God. The sacred sources say that their moral duty is to take this vaccine to end what their religion tells them is a Deadly Plague That Must Be Stopped, and so they will do it out of the same sort of love that led the Crusaders to decimate the Muslim world, or the Japanese kamikaze pilots to crash headlong into enemy ships.
These people will never change their minds until they change their religion. For the sake of our society I hope they are a relatively small minority.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:35 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:27 pm (UTC)Or Magda Goebbels to kill her children before committing suicide.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:48 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 12:29 pm (UTC)Confucianism places strong emphasis on deference to authorities, and it also says that a corrupt official is worse than a tiger in a village, acknowledging the risk.
I'm pretty sure the globalists pushing the vaccines on the world knew that good old Japan could get its citizens to roll up their sleeves merely by appealing to authority and telling everyone that this was their duty, and that is exactly what the ad campaigns did.
Despite knowing that the vaccines were at best experimental, my husband and his brother went out and got them because it was their duty. They forgive me for not joining them, because as a foreigner, they know I "just don't get it."
My husband experienced reduced immune function after two shots and refused any further. Everyone I know who has stopped trusting the authorities has no fear of telling everyone they meet about it. I think one or two friends have rejected my husband over this (one a massage therapist), but their reaction is not hysterical.
Meanwhile, our dwindling little branch of the Fuji Faith is set to disappear, as the mostly older members have more and more health issues (cancer, strokes, arthritis), and the sect's leader (early 60s I think) contacted me today saying he no longer has the capacity to lead us. I hope that we can arrange a merger with the other remaining branch. And I hope they are okay.
Really, it is depressing to see the demons take such a toll.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 11:15 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 12:42 pm (UTC)For each time I get furious with folks over absurdities, I have to recite the Rokkon Shojo words of purification at my altar once, and there have been days when I recited it four or five times, but the words "...see all manner of evil with your eyes, but do not see it with your heart..." (repeated for ears, nose, mouth, body and heart(mind)) really help me to let it go. This practice is gradually giving me the ability not to respond emotionally. Now, when someone foams at the mouth and accuses me of hatred, I just burst out laughing, and if I respond at all, think of the kindest thing I can say.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 05:41 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 11:33 pm (UTC)This is the actual response:
19h
If it turns out she injected poison into her patients, well she was vaccinating out of love. She will never regret or apologize no matter the adverse reactions. Because love, not hate. Also loves Ukraine.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 11:44 pm (UTC)Good gods!
Ron M
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:38 am (UTC)Are we in some sort of 'human sacrifice' territory now?
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:55 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 11:50 pm (UTC)Add to that an ego needing to feel Important & Very Involved in Solving the Biggest Baddest Scariest Public Health Thing Ever and Doing Official Recommended Things such as isolating, distancing, staying home / in bubble, wearing masks, getting tested & tested & tested. Also hyper-focus on contact tracing and blaming and shaming. This is not an exaggeration; many people I know really were obsessed.
A young MD with thousands of followers on Twitter in This Grand Moment of Historic Crisis! Very Exciting!
And then, add to that not having gotten "the memo", that the jabs were not like other vaccines, they are in fact experimental and the definition of the word "vaccine" had to be changed to include what was previously known in the phamaceutical industry as gene therapy. Many people, including my own doctor (yes I fired him) fall into this category. They heard the word "vaccine," they heard the CDC say "safe and effective," and bingo! They were like, I must, you must, we all MUST MUST MUST OMG MUST ALL NOW GET VAXXED NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, I know people who were like this. They were frantic to get vaxxed, and then obsessed about other people getting vaxxed, who got vaxxed, when, how many times, Pfizer or Moderna, blah blah blah.
Right there, that explains most of it:
1. They were duped as to how dangerous covid was
2. Their ego got them shanghaied for "the narrative"
3. They were duped as to the nature of the "vaccines"
Add to that ignorance of and lack of curiosity about how other people might see things and might have legitimate reasons to do so. (Um, almost everyone who's ever honked their horn in anger at another driver might begin to understand this, OK?).
And then add to that the self-congratulation of "I am doing this for love"-- and then it's only a naive & lazy little step to conclude that therefore people who don't do as I do must be hateful...
Well! Then, it stands to reason in their mind under that wig-on-fire, that there was NO choice, you're a good & responsible person, you get vaccinated-- or else! Or else, you're hateful, filled with hate!
It is their self-image as The Good Person that they cannot release-- they would rather die than release it-- though it be constructed on a foundation of falsehoods and with bricks of vanity and mortared by arrogance.
So they live in a kind of prison, and they will continue taking poison.
*
Well, who knows, this is just my exercise in using my imagination. I wouldn't want to actually remote view this person's mind. And I know nothing about her other than having seen this tweet screenshot. I'll be moving along now...
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 11:59 am (UTC)Ditto this 'say the words" stuff, when the vaxxed people get covid, they're all like, "I am so grateful to have gotten vaxxed otherwise it would have been worse." It's a fig leaf.
Fig leaves do look pretty silly. If anyone reading this is not a native English speaker unfamiliar with the term, just Google "Roman statue" and "fig leaf." Five year olds know what's going on behind that there.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:16 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 07:58 pm (UTC)It's projection. They fear and loathe those who resisted.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 11:55 am (UTC)Now the interesting question is, why would someone making such a tweet, and who are they? Like every one else, I have my theories, but who knows.
Anyway, this prankster-chaos stuff, that's reason #497 to stay away from Twitter.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-03 11:55 pm (UTC)I have seen a lot of this here in Silicon Valley. A significant minority of people around me express this sentiment, something to the effect, "Yes, it seems that covid vaccines are not working, but it was the right thing to do at the time. Only a selfish creep could refuse a vaccine in that situation." Other people moved on and express their need to be correct and morally superior using the Ukrainian crisis. Usually it centers on Putin and goes like this, "If I had a chance I would kill Putin without shadow of a doubt." (deep sigh, another sip of Cabernet Sauvignon).
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 03:29 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 09:04 am (UTC)Monochrome Impudent Turtle
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:28 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 12:04 am (UTC)I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised though, considering that every other cause these people have latched on to makes a lot more sense if on some level dying is the point.
Being ok with triggering nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine, importing as many foreign POCs as they can while trying to make them hate us as much as possible, dismantling law enforcement and the judicial system so violent crime can increase unchecked, pushing sex change operations for kids and trying to normalize pedophiles("minor attracted person's" as they say) with all the suicides that ends up causing, along with the likelihood some parents would embrace vigilante violence in response. Add the rollout of MAID and the potential euthanasia trend mentioned earlier to the list too.
If potentially dying from the shots was a feature rather than a bug... it would make sense.
-Jason P
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 12:18 am (UTC)The more I read that comment, the weirder it is. She's not merely saying, "it seemed like a good deal at the time, based on what we knew." It's way stranger than that.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 03:25 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 12:37 am (UTC)In the first case you cited she seems to be straddling the boundary between denial and anger, as in "I'm not feeling what I obviously am, and it's your fault I'm feeling that way anyhow!" The second one is an odder hybrid, implausibly straddling between denial and bargaining. Her bargaining is with some kind of morality tooth fairy, presumed to eventually reward the suffering of the Good People™. I kind of like the idea of the faltering Great God Progress all dolled up in tooth-fairy drag as he limps his way down to the footlights to squeeze one last frenzied ovation out of his rapidly emptying performance hall. The embarrassing Age of Reason somehow makes more sense when I just think of it as a poorly conceived drag revue.
My guess is that that mother's skipped-over anger will end up making a delayed appearance, should she ever succeed in getting all the way out of her denial. If not, she'll get to wear her crooked, little, spray-painted halo right up to those pearly gates to plead her righteous case. And who knows, maybe the saints won’t even notice all the flaking paint.
— Christophe
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 01:53 pm (UTC)Maybe the hate-on for the so called hate-espousing anti-vaxxers is a way of saying "Please go hammer those haters over there who deserve it more than I do.
Whew, trying to work through that convoluted logic hurts my head.
-Myriam
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 01:04 am (UTC)That Funny Feeling
[Intro]
I can't really, uh, play the guitar very well
Um, or sing, so, you know, apologies
[Verse 1]
Stunning 8K resolution meditation app
In honor of the revolution, it's half-off at the Gap
Deadpool's self-awareness, loving parents, harmless fun
The backlash to the backlash to the thing that's just begun
[Chorus]
There it is again
That funny feeling
That funny feeling
There it is again
That funny feeling
That funny feeling
[Verse 2]
The surgeon general's pop-up shop, Robert Iger's face
Discount Etsy agitprop, Bugles' take on race
Female Colonel Sanders, easy answers, civil war
The whole world at your fingеrtips, the ocean at your door
The livе-action Lion King, the Pepsi Halftime Show
Twenty-thousand years of this, seven more to go
Carpool Karaoke, Steve Aoki, Logan Paul
A gift shop at the gun range, a mass shooting at the mall
[Chorus]
There it is again
That funny feeling
That funny feeling
There it is again
That funny feeling
That funny feeling
[Verse 3]
Reading Pornhub's terms of service, going for a drive
And obeying all the traffic laws in Grand Theft Auto V
Full agoraphobic, losing focus, cover blown
A book on getting better hand-delivered by a drone
Total disassociation, fully out your mind
Googling "derealization," hating what you find
That unapparent summer air in early fall
The quiet comprehending of the ending of it all
[Chorus]
There it is again
That funny feeling
That funny feeling
There it is again
That funny feeling
That funny feeling
[Outro]
Hey, what can you say?
We were overdue
But it'll be over soon
You wait
Hey, what can you say?
We were overdue
But it'll be over soon
Just wait
Ba-da-da, ba-da-da, ba-da-da-da-da-da-da
Hey, what can you say?
We were overdue
But it'll be over soon
You wait
Ba-da-da, ba-da-da, ba-da-da-da-da-da-da
Hey, what can you say?
We were overdue, oh
But it'll be over soon
You wait
Ba-da-da, ba-da-da, ba-da
Hey, what can you say?
We were overdue
But it'll be over soon
You wait
Ba-da-da, ba-da-da, ba-da-da-da-da-da-da
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 04:30 am (UTC)But it'll be over soon. My sister talked how good she felt taking the shot. She's had two eye surgeries since.
Unrelated of course.
dear god almighty.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 01:08 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 01:17 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 01:22 am (UTC)JLfromNH/Polka-dot Bilious Pangolin
Re: approaching the endgme?
Date: 2023-01-04 02:27 am (UTC)That sounds weirdly cultist to me. Cult leaders often like to tell their followers they're acting out of a higher purpose while handing out a poisoned chalice.
Like somewhere this physician has a guilty conscience about what humans have done to the planet so the only way to absolve them of their crimes is participating enthusiastically in a mass die-off. Shades of Jim Jones...
Makes me see my recent tarot spreads in a new light.
Re: approaching the endgme?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:42 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgme?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:06 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 01:53 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 02:07 am (UTC)Brings to mind the old saying, "You can't fix stupid"...
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 02:25 am (UTC)In any case, taking this Dr. and others like her at her word, I suppose the next question is, "for the love of what?" Submission to the collective? Rolling the dice? fun mRNA mystery goo? Obviously the circumstances are different but the one historical analogy that keeps coming to mind every time I encounter expressions like this is that of Frau Goebbels at the end of Der Untergang (a great film, infamous reaction clip aside).
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 04:15 am (UTC)For the love of a world in which human beings have godlike powers to control the physical realm. For the love of a world in which the Centers for Disease Control is really composed of the best and brightest doctors, whose advice ought to be accorded the status of gospel. For the love of the great project of Progress, the triumph of human ingenuity over nature red in tooth and claw, over a primitive past in which life was nasty, brutish, and short.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 12:50 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 05:38 pm (UTC)A Nixon supporter, a ww2 vet, he told me when Reagan was elected, 'the middle class is finished.'
Not sure what he saw.
Not sure what he'd think of all this. His other children, my siblings, certainly don't see what I see.
(Exasperating Fuschia) Griffin
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-09 07:42 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 03:38 am (UTC)Even if empirical evidence soundly refutes my beliefs and my reasoning was proved to be illogical and utterly groundless, I would rather die than admit that my convictions were wrong.
It looks to me like a senile mind with ossified notions about the world and no ability to adapt is subconsciously choosing the easy way out. Very much in line with the senile elite of the rest of western civilization.
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Date: 2023-01-04 03:22 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:02 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:20 pm (UTC)[Verse 8]
At midnight all the agents
And the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone
That knows more than they do
Then they bring them to the factory
Where the heart attack machine
Is strapped across their shoulders
And then the kerosene
Is brought down from the castles
By insurance men who go
Check to see that nobody is escaping
To Desolation Row
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 06:29 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:51 am (UTC)Admitting fault now is tantamount to admitting that one is a horrible person for those who were so pro vaxx. In their PMC religious world this is worse than death.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 09:07 am (UTC)Should read "My heart is and was in the right place."
My brain auto-corrected the mis-ordered words the first time I read it.
Back on topic though, I guess that's what they'd say.
I had a friend say something along the lines of how crazy it was to want to not take the vaccines, and who'd want to survive anyway if it turns out to have been a suicidal move. I suppose he was thinking of the Omega Man or something.
But it's also sort of mistaking things - I got the sense from his tone that he was attributing humans with the ability to change reality with the power of will alone. As if choosing not to vaccinate was somehow magically willing poor outcomes on others, and that surviving was somehow willfully sadistic.
Very weird. Upside down and inside out covidworld. But I can sort of see how he would arrive at that in the kind of weird way that dreams and emotions seem to have a logic of their own.
Perhaps it's a narcissistic trait to bring down others out of envy or whatever? And if they've stuffed up their immune systems, and made a big public mess out of everything, they have something to envy and to be ashamed of. Narcissists hate that sort of thing. I can imagine them burning the world down rather than admitting a mistake, as per the good Dr's tweet here.
People are talking demons here - malignant narcissists have been called the 'quintessence of evil', so it seems to fit given all the manipulation and so forth that's been happening that also seems to fit that pathology.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 05:42 pm (UTC)There are a lot of people who wouldn't want to survive the loss of their kids, or their entire social circle. And where there's a social-class-signaling element to it, yes there are a lot of people who also wouldn't want to survive the loss of everybody who recognizes their current social status. It's the same people who'd commit suicide over losing a career, even though they could still make a more modest living doing something else. They worked hard to climb that ladder, and the thought of going back down a few rungs does not compute.
So yeah, there's a death-pact element to it. "I did what everybody else did, so if it turns out to be a bad decision, at least we'll all go together".
I think for a lot of these folks, the idea that they might survive their friends and coworkers... and then be forced to mingle with the Great Unwashed who didn't take the shots? Fate worse than death, right there.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 11:46 pm (UTC)My husband is double-shot, not boosted, and this is all just tearing me up.
shewhoholdstensions
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 01:23 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 01:33 pm (UTC)Blessings!
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 12:20 am (UTC)Since we don't (and won't) recognize (nor appreciate) their current social status — as in ever — maybe their egos will actually be best served by clinging to each other with cult-like fervor. Whether they cling together by their living or by their dying is a nuance they will have to work out for themselves. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't pay us any heed anyway were we, in all our dreadful unwashedness, to attempt to help them.
— Christophe
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 02:03 am (UTC)If Mary of Egypt can go into the desert and become one of the greatest and most beloved saints of the church... there's hope for us all.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:16 pm (UTC)My heart is and was in the right place. It's not missing. It hasn't been dislodged. It is pure as the snows of innocence.
and though it may be injured from the poison I fed it I did the right thing because my heart is pure. It is in the right place.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 09:25 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 09:34 am (UTC)- Is there any historical precedent for what's happening, in terms of the psychology, to compare all this to?
- There is a binary at work, however:
https://unherd.com/thepost/damar-hamlins-cardiac-arrest-becomes-vaccine-talking-point/
The author points out how the long Covid camp is at work with this player's incident just as critics of the vaccine are. Can't the answer to this quandary be 'both'?
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 01:18 am (UTC)If they had to die because of their love for the peasantry, then so be it. But they would never regret or apologize for it! "Adieu, mes petits paysans, à Dieu."
— Christophe
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 11:19 am (UTC)As if this Dr would be happy to die for anyone else - just another narcissistic manipulation there.
Note the good Dr's tone - the unvaccinated are hateful. And hate is wrong and hateful people deserve to be punished, don't they? "I am special and great and pure and entitled to all of your love and attention - everyone who disagrees with me is evil and nasty and deserves your scorn and. . . "
Beware the narcissistic rage that may follow the narcissists' shame at being exposed as being less than perfect. They may need to hurt others to make themselves feel better as their epic fantasy, in which they were the brainy (etc.) heroes, turns into a horror show in which they are the ignorant (etc.) villains.
Doesn't matter if Blind Freddy can see they were just plain wrong, they never can admit a mistake.
Pointless trying to make them admit it either, or to use logic etc. In the zero-sum-game world they inhabit they will see calls for accountability etc. as attacks and escalate etc. There is only room for them you see, no concessions are possible. They sure couldn't leave the unvaccinated alone before.
Could be we are in for a new level of viciousness from characters like that.
Just spit-balling a theory. Of course, there's lots going on here at individual and bigger social levels. There are many explanations for phenomena. Lots of things can be true, even seemingly contradictory things, at the same time.
The cult of progress angle is pretty compelling too - it's easy for me to understand this as the darker aspects of humanity manifesting in a demonic, manic and grandiose cluster.
If I were Kunstler, I'd probably throw a line in here about Aztecs ramping up their human sacrifices as their culture came undone. I can see why. It's not hard at all to imagine some serious heart ripping to come. We may have 'advanced' from obsidian knives (or whatever) as the implements of destruction, but it's not as if masses of hearts aren't gonna get destroyed anyway.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 11:33 am (UTC)"Individuals high in narcissism, like cult leaders, often inflate their own sense of importance and behave in ways that are destructive to others.
Similarities between narcissists and cult leaders include a tendency to lie and turn others against each other for their own ends, along with little tolerance for dissent.
To escape the negative influence of a narcissist, be mindful of what you share with them and set firm boundaries about how you will and won't be treated."
Seems a bit familiar to me, and like some sound advice.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 04:54 pm (UTC)Like if somebody told the AI program to create a quote from Jesus Christ, Fauci, Jim Jones, and Lizzy Borden.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 08:58 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 06:52 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 08:53 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 09:24 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 02:10 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 04:34 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 01:43 pm (UTC)Basic medical care can be set up by people with basic training working together, following tracks left in space by previous - for example - lodges and friendly societies, and others. Those of us who begin *building* the parts of the medical CARE system we would like to see, somewhere under the radar, and somewhere between the cracks, will be meeting the needs of those who get shunted out of the current system, either through price rationing, or deliberate exclusion. When the system no longer provides, it is up to us to make provision.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 01:38 am (UTC)Thanks for keeping this on the rails Scotlyn. Everyone's having too much fun with this "BOO!" thing.
Erika
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 07:04 pm (UTC)Anna Lowenhaupt Tsing’s book The Mushroom at the End of the World
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 10:16 pm (UTC)THis is what is truly being said behind the lie.
I am in anguish about the not-vaccine. I, a trained physcian, allowed my self to be hooked like a stupid greedy fish by a criminal gang of mere businessmen in the pharmaceutical mob that makes most of my working days a misery to live through and a loss of soul.
These pigeffers dangled the bait of Being a Good Little Girlie in front of my face and I swallowed it all hook line and sinker. Worse, I enabled these soulless, conscience-free, Science-free and totally manipulating bustards to push their health-wrecking drug trial onto my own patients whom I am sworn to heal and to do no harm against. I have broken my own vows, sold my practice to conniving devils and did it all while believing that I was the best of the best of mortals. I am mortified and sunk so deep into grief that I have no reason to live anymore. I hate myself for being a dupe and fool and murderer by proxy. I deserve to die and would rather sink into the earth right now than have to face up to the just wrath of the people who have been harmed by my actions.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 10:55 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-04 11:59 pm (UTC)Many blew themselves to pieces with hand grenades issued by the army and many others threw themselves off a cliff into the sea.
It is impossible to understate the capacity of panic and belief to undermine the basic instinct for survival.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 08:06 pm (UTC)https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/1611021223487541255
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 12:03 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 09:48 am (UTC)The thing is, I remember posts from people seen online for years who suddenly flipped when the covid thing got going so, unless their accounts had somehow been hijacked (or in the long years seen posting they had always been robots), it seemed long standing posters were suddenly in the 'let them die gasping' party. They seemed to love being able to swim in a sewer of govt sanctioned demonisation of 'the other'.
In the UK it is known that the so-called behavioural insights team [aka nudge unit] threw ethics out of the window and deliberately set out to ramp up fear and use gross manipulation and underhand tactics to shame and guilt people into complying with the narrative programme.
It worked well. Though it might be argued they just took a sledgehammer to the foundations of society. The increase in fear and decrease in rational thought could have set up patterns that will reverberate for some while
The IM Doc quote that includes:
"I saw a tweet this weekend of a young critical care doctor who was one of the main instigators of this malfeasance toward the unvaxxed last year."
...suggests the account had been active in pushing certain ideas for a while - Does it impact that much whether bot or not, since the low level NPC characteristics of so many of the bipeds/humans suggests many people would not worry about that when all they need to do is jump on the emotional roller-coaster and enjoy some gov promoted hate-fest? I've seen it said that society was only a whisper away from a modern day witch hunter frenzy with the unvaccinated standing in as the current incarnation of the baddies.
I see little reason to think that this 'ride' is over yet. Covid got wheeled off stage in favour of Putin bad man - like a factory that switches production lines - there is always some new flavour of durian smelling field truffle to pop into the human ice-cream cone of stupidity.
;)
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 05:49 pm (UTC)These twitter posts - the ones that the coffee and covid guy had in his roundup had me rolling - have their fingerprints all over them, they are just like the ones they used to troll the left with like 5 years ago.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 08:43 pm (UTC)I also don't accept it was real, because I've seen too many people fake those sorts of comments for political gain, which is why I'm asking for the evidence. I really want to be able to say it was fake, because so far I've only heard one person make a similar claim, and if it is just one person then I can chalk it up to someone finally losing their sanity; but if it's widespread, that's worth knowing because it suggests certain unpleasant possibilities for the future.
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 05:47 pm (UTC)https://med-mastodon.com/@SolNataMD
Whoever this is ( I have not been able to confirm this persons identity )
I can believe the 'non-regret of repeating self-harm' post would be included here.
Instagram and Twitter profiles are private.
https://mobile.twitter.com/solnatamd/with_replies
https://www.instagram.com/solnatta/?hl=en
Have not found a LinkedIn site.
Maybe she is Natalia Solenkova?
Quizzical Evaporating Vole
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 06:07 pm (UTC)Dr. Natalia V. Solenkova
https://health.usnews.com/doctors/natalia-solenkova-841718
based near Miami Florida.
Quizzical Evaporating Vole
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-05 11:01 pm (UTC)In my small personal circle, it feels like people are slowly waking up from a trance, for maybe two or three months now.
It was certain people at first, and only about certain topics. I first thought „well, the media narrative is shifting, so their narrative is shifting along with it“, but that‘s not quite it.
It‘s like they are starting to interject their personal experience and their own thoughts and feelings (especially about things which aren‘t going that well in our country or our society right now) back into conversations. Not all the time yet, but on more and more occasions, and on more and more topics. Weirdly enough, within the next few sentences, they‘ll fall right back into a media talking point - and then maybe switch back to their own thoughts a few sentences later.
Sometimes I can even distinguish the two „phases“ by their language.
It is, quite frankly, rather creepy in its own way.
However, the „clear“ times are getting more and more widespread. By far not everybody yet, and by far not the majority of time, but still… it‘s like people are in a phase where they are waking up from a trance very slowly, and still keep switching back and forth, with the lucid moments becoming more and more often. Funnily the second one is pushing them too much with critical thoughts, they‘ll immediately revert back to stereotypical talking points.
In one way, it‘s very encouraging. In another way, as I said, it‘s quite creepy.
And since I know from personal experience how hard it is to move out of that trance forcefully by one‘s own effort, before it wears off on its own, I‘m a bit afraid of what the next trance will be about, how to avoid it, who will be caught in it, and what its implications will be. If people simply wake up (or are released) and never realise they‘ve been in that trance in the first place, they won‘t have many defenses against the next attempt.
Anyway, it feels as if this could be part of the same stage or process somehow. Hope this data point helps,
Milkyway
Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 03:15 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 03:00 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-06 11:01 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 01:45 am (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 02:40 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 05:30 pm (UTC)Re: approaching the endgame?
Date: 2023-01-07 09:45 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-03 09:42 pm (UTC)He also told me, "Yeah I'm on your side and basically have been throughout most of this."
He added, "I'm in the minority within this government though."
But I'm like, are you really though? Cause that's 2/2, out of representatives that have actually called me.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-03 11:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 08:47 pm (UTC)Last year, almost this time, I was at a Freedom Protest - these were the days when it was still weird to see someone not masked - and the most touching thing I saw was a young lady carrying a sign reading "I miss your smile."
:)
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 12:30 am (UTC)Is it possible for disenchanted Members of Parliament and/or Members and Provincial Parliament to band together and make their heterodox views public? Will they be able to bear the wrath of their party leader/party whip and the peer pressure of their political colleagues? Are the only two options available to them (1) leaving the party to become an ‘independent’ (as Ontario’s Randy Hillier and a few others have done) and (2) breaking off to form a new party (as Maxime Bernier did for the PPC and one Ontario MPP did for creating the True Blue Party)? The real problem that many of them face is the self-censoring effects of wanting to be considered ‘respectable’ in the public eye and/or keep their jobs as politicians. I certainly don’t envy them, but this is the burden that they must bear: we’ll see if any of them have the ‘guts’ to make their convictions public. 2023 may very well be a year of winnowing for our country’s politicians at all levels (it’s this year or never for politicians with ‘unacceptable views’ to ‘go public’ against the tyrannical narrative). Let us keep our fingers crossed that a band of brave politicians emerge; if not, may all their faces and names be splashed on the “Cowards of Canada” website (https://cowards.ca/)!!!
Ron M
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 11:38 am (UTC)Yeah, you always have to step back from what you think is "obvious" and think about it from their point of view.
Our job has been, is, and continues to be, making it acceptable/respectable for the politicians to publicly shift their views. And I think it's happening.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 09:18 pm (UTC)Ron M
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 11:55 pm (UTC)Either way, you're also a taxpayer, and anyone can take the angle of concerns about misuse of taxpayer dollars going to pharmaceutical companies for drugs that have been shown not to be effective, as well as all the federal funding that was released for emergency measures that appear to have contributed - in the government's own words - to creating a worse health crisis, particularly, for children, this winter. The government's commitment to following the science means that citizens can reasonably demand inquiry into whether such practices were effective or even potentially more harmful is required for future pandemic response planning.
Elizabeth May thinks the vaccines are a great idea, at least publicly; but she recently started calling for governments to force big pharma to give up the patents to the mRNA vaccines because it's unfair that poor African nations can't afford to vaccinate, and should be supported to make their own in-house vaccines. For *some strange reason* I think this would actually be an effective line to be able to build a coalition around and kill a handful of birds with one stone.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-08 02:04 pm (UTC)I have referenced, and provided links to literally hundreds of peer reviewed medical studies to my MP, MPP and city councillor. The reaction? Crickets. However, I have not tried the 'tax payer angle' and now may be a good time to use it. In politics, like in so many other aspects of life, timing is crucial.
Ron M
(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-05 06:50 pm (UTC)He was well-known for his quickness to pick up a phone for his constituents.
I happened to hear him talk on this podcast, but not the "bonus" episode that comes up first, that would be just crazy... he's in the 4th episode.
Prayers
Date: 2023-01-03 10:50 pm (UTC)Also, if I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom you hold power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below and/or at the prayer list page.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
Re: Prayers
Date: 2023-01-04 04:01 am (UTC)Re: Prayers
Date: 2023-01-04 04:27 am (UTC)Re: Prayers
Date: 2023-01-08 04:59 am (UTC)I just performed my Sunday ritual. I composed a fairly short norito, using several kamidana prayers for phrasings, adapting it to a "shinzobyo kokufuku kigansai" (ritual asking for recovery from heart issues), adding (Name) just before "to tomoni amegashita no morobito (and all the many people under Heaven)," and then printing it out. That's quite a list you have compiled of people requesting prayers, so I stopped when I got to (Name) and went over and read each person's name and request aloud, then went back and completed the prayer and ritual. The last candle just went out now.
I think I will want to revise the wording to "Heart and Other Health Issues." Also, I will print out the list of names and update it each week, keeping it by my side so I don't have to get up in the middle of the prayer. I can include health and other requests, focusing on health in the prayer and adding special requests at the end.
I am by no means a professional, but this is valuable experience for me which I hope I can apply in my community in the future. Quite a major shrine near us (Shizu Jinja) lost its Guji about a year ago, with no successor. I could never fill such shoes, but my experience will give me confidence in helping people nearby with spiritual matters.
Re: Prayers
Date: 2023-01-10 08:40 am (UTC)Data Point, January 3, 2022
Date: 2023-01-03 11:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-01-04 12:44 am (UTC)I sense that we are in new territory now.
Cetiosaurus
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Date: 2023-01-10 10:35 am (UTC)Vaxx Injuries / Adverse Events
Date: 2023-01-04 02:22 am (UTC)Bonita Kent
First Dose of Pfizer on 09/24/2021
Arkansas
54 yrs old
EXCERPT
Q: What was your reaction, symptoms, & timeline?
5 days after receiving the Pfizer vaccine, I was diagnosed with Guillan Barre syndrome. I was having numbness and tingling in my toes and hands. 5 days later I was paralyzed from the shoulders down and classified as a quadriplegic. I was told that I had a severe case of GBS and the doctors said they didn’t know if I would completely recover. I spent 3 months in the hospital and rehab. Currently, I have regained the use and feeling everywhere except for my ankles, feet and toes. I can walk with a walker. Activities like cooking and showering are exhausting. I can’t drive and are unable to work due to being a fall risk and the fatigue.
READ THE COMPLETE Q & A
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/bonita-kent
Re: Vaxx Injuries / Adverse Events
Date: 2023-01-09 04:55 pm (UTC)Vaxx Injuries / Adverse Events
Date: 2023-01-04 02:27 am (UTC)David Hosmer
First Dose of Pfizer on 02/15/2021 Lot #EN5138
Second Dose of Pfizer on 03/08/2021 Lot #EN6199
Verbena, Alabama
68 yrs old
EXCERPT
Q: What was your life like before you got the vaccine?
I was healthy. I never had so much as a cold. I was learning to play my guitar again. Then Covid
Q: Would you like to share your reasons for getting vaccinated?
I was under the impression that I must take it to get care at the va
Q: What was your reaction, symptoms, & timeline?
One hour after the second shot my hands in the web between my thumb and forefinger broke out in a terrible rash that would not quit itching. My hands ached so much that I couldn’t play my guitar.
READ THE COMPLETE Q & A
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/david-hosmer
Vaxx Injuries / Adverse Events
Date: 2023-01-04 02:28 am (UTC)Samantha Jones
First Dose of J&J on 04/10/2021
California
43 yrs old
Q: What was your life like before you got the vaccine?
Average
Q: What was your reaction, symptoms, & timeline?
I've been diagnosed with psoriasis, psoriasitric arthritis & shingles since the shot. I've also had migraine headaches almost every day. I'm taking multiple medications to help prevent symptoms. My doctors all say none of these things are connected to the vaccine.
https://www.realnotrare.com/post/samantha-jones