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magic failRegular readers of this journal may recall that some weeks ago, as part of a broader project of magical instruction, I critiqued a loudly publicized attempt to attack Donald Trump and his followers with malevolent magic. (You can find my earlier journal entry here, and the original announcement here.)  Michael Hughes, who launched the working in question and continues to champion it, belatedly found out about my critique, and posted a lively (if, to my mind, woefully inadequate) defense of his project in the comments to that entry. The internet being what it is, resuming the conversation in a current journal entry struck us both as a good idea.

Since much of what follows will involve serious disagreements about the nature of magic—and, more importantly, the nature of effective magic—it’s probably worth taking a moment to talk a bit about my qualifications to speak on that subject. I started magical training as a teenager in the mid-1970s, when good practical guides to Golden Dawn magic first became widely available, and have kept at it ever since. Over the years I’ve completed the full courses of magical training and initiation offered by four Hermetic and three Druid orders, as well as receiving extensive training and certification in Renaissance astrological magic and traditional Southern conjure. 

Of my more than fifty published books, just over half are on the subject of magic and occultism, and these include such standard reference works as The New Encyclopedia of the Occult. I’ve translated, co-translated, and/or edited such magical classics as the Picatrix, Eliphas Levi’s Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic, and Israel Regardie’s The Golden Dawn. I also served for twelve years as Grand Archdruid of the Ancient Order of Druids in America (AODA). All this is to say that I’ve studied and practiced a lot of magic, in a lot of different traditions, and know my way around the subject pretty thoroughly. Neither I nor anyone else knows everything there is to know about magic, to be sure, but I do know something of what I’m talking about.

One of the main things I’ve learned from all this is that magic isn’t whatever you want it to be. It’s easy and, these days, popular to slap together various notions extracted from a grab-bag of disparate systems wrenched out of their cultural and philosophical contexts, on the basis of the latest pop-culture fashions, and insist that the result is just as valid and meaningful as anything else. The resulting postmodern pablum is no doubt comforting to those who like to think that the past has nothing to teach them, but the results of such magic are generally far from impressive. Thus I tend to rely on those teachings and systems that have proven themselves over decades or centuries, even—or especially—when they contradict current pop-culture fads.

Two other points are worth making before we proceed.  First, there’s quite a bit to be said about the moral dimension of malevolent magic, but I don’t propose to say it here. It so happens that these days, a great many people like to insist, in effect, that whatever they want is justifiable because they want it, and such issues as the blowback from malevolent magic only apply to those who believe in them. This is a little like insisting that drinking Drano is only bad for your digestion if you think it is, but I don’t propose to pursue that argument here. What I propose to discuss, rather, are the reasons why the working we’re discussing isn’t going to accomplish anything—other, that is, than meeting certain emotional needs on the part of its participants.

The second point I want to make is that the moral character or political significance of Donald Trump and his followers are not the issues here. If your cure is ineffective, it doesn’t matter how bad you think the disease is.  In the same way, insisting that Trump is the evilest evil that ever eviled does not prove that a given working directed against him is going to work. The powers behind magic do not care what you think about Donald Trump, and the sense of cosmic entitlement that leads some people to believe that something has to strike down a politician they hate, just because they hate him, does not make for competent magical theory—or practice.

With that in mind, I’ll proceed to my four criticisms of the working we’re discussing.

First of all, the intention is badly chosen. In crafting a magical working, it’s crucial to have a clear, tautly focused intention; it’s even more important to make sure that the intention will actually bring you what you want.  Thus the first requirement of effective magic is to be very sure about what you want to accomplish, and to choose an intention with this in mind.

There’s an old story along these lines, much told in traditional occult schools, about a guy who wanted to get rich via magic. To do this, he did a working that involved visualized himself handling stacks and stacks of money. He promptly lost his well-paying job, and the only job he could find was in a bank, where he made a low wage counting stacks and stacks of other people’s money. He got what he asked for, in other words, rather than what he actually wanted.

That’s the first level of failure hardwired into this working. It focuses on binding and harming Donald Trump and his followers, rather than revitalizing American democracy, leading the country in some new and better direction, or even helping the Democratic Party pull itself together and win back the voters it lost in 2016. If the working succeeds—it won’t, for reasons I’ll discuss further on, but we’ll let that pass for now—there’s no reason to assume that the results would do anything at all to benefit the people and causes who have been getting hurt since Trump’s inauguration. If Trump falls, after all, the interests and demographics backing him can easily find another figurehead for their cause. What’s more, it’s entirely possible that the next one would be even worse than Trump.

The working does nothing to forestall that, where a working with a positive focus of the kind I just indicated would counter that neatly. That being the case, the fixation on malevolent magic is really rather odd—though it’s a familiar oddity. For decades now, people on the leftward end of the political spectrum, when they think of doing political magic, have tended to default immediately to malevolent workings even in situations when benevolent workings would be far more useful. The return of the repressed clearly has a lot to do with it, and so does the old but by no means outworn occult maxim: “What you hate, you imitate.” 

Michael, in our earlier interchange, I asked you whether you’d considered doing a benevolent working to strengthen American democracy or revitalize the Democratic Party. You didn’t answer. I’m going to ask it again, and I’d like you to answer it. It’s one thing to do a malevolent working when that really is the only option; it’s quite another to do one when there are many other options that will do more good for the causes you claim to support. The fixation on curses and bindings really does make it look as though the point of this working is to feed your hatred and rage toward a politician and a demographic sector you don’t like, rather than doing anything to help a democracy in terminal crisis.

Let’s go on to the next point:  the ritual is incoherent. An effective magical ritual combines carefully chosen symbols to produce an effect exactly in tune with the intention. If you want to do a love spell, you don’t use symbolism that evokes solitude and cold reason; if you want to do a prosperity spell, you don’t use symbols of loss and letting go. More precisely, if you do, you’re not going to get results from your working, because your intention and your symbolism are at odds with each other.

This working is so good an example of what not to do that I’m planning on using it in the future in teaching students about ritual design. The intention of the working is to bind Trump and his followers, but one of the core symbols of the working is the Tarot trump XVI, The Tower. Not only is this not a symbol of binding, it’s exactly the opposite, a symbol of the shattering of bindings. To use it in a binding spell is rather like trying to put out a fire by dumping gasoline on it, or knotting your shoelaces while cutting them with a knife. 

The incoherent nature of the symbolism is bad enough in itself, but it has another, far more serious downside. The working we’re discussing, after all, is not unopposed. There are plenty of people in the US who support the Trump administration, and a significant number of them know at least as much about magic as do the people who hate Trump and all his works. Using an incoherent ritual, one that includes its own antithesis in its symbolism, gives the other side an immense advantage in their countering magic.

One simple way to make the working ineffective would be to gather at the same time the working is being done, and redirect the symbolism of The Tower onto the working itself. That could be done in a simple way—say, by visualizing the lightning bolt striking the tower and bursting the bindings. It could also be done in a much more potent and effective way—say, by tying ten loops of thread onto a card of The Tower, linking them magically to the bindings the working is trying to place, invoking the ten spheres of the Tree of Life in the order of the Lightning Flash, and with each invocation, cutting one of the loops of thread with a consecrated working tool. There are other ways to exploit the incoherence in the ritual, too, and some of them are considerably more potent than the ones I’ve just described.

The powers behind magic, as noted earlier, do not care what anybody thinks about Donald Trump. They won’t make an incoherent ritual work anyway just because somebody happens to want that. Nor, crucially, will they take sides in a magical donnybrook between one set of mages that hates Trump and another set that supports him. That leads us to the next point.

The public nature of the working guarantees that it will fail. This isn’t just a matter of magical philosophy, though of course Eliphas Levi discussed it at some length in his writings. It’s a matter of basic common sense. If you were a member of the French Resistance in the Second World War, let’s say, would you go out of your way to make sure that the Nazis knew your plans? If you’re playing poker, would you show the other players the cards in your hand? Not if you wanted to win, you wouldn’t.

Michael, when I raised this point in my original journal entry, your sole response was to claim that you laugh at the mages of the alt-Right. No doubt you do, but they’re also laughing at you, and with considerably better reason. By publishing the details of your intention, ritual, and timing all over the internet, you’ve guaranteed that all the people who want to mess with your working have everything they need to do so, while you have no knowledge of what they’re doing and so are at a huge disadvantage if you want to counter it. Dismissing that possibility out of hand really makes me wonder how seriously you take this project of yours.

Finally, rituals of this kind consistently don’t work, and this one isn’t working either.  This is hardly the first time a few thousand Neopagans have gotten together online and organized a coordinated mass working, using a specific spell, to try to make something happen. In my original post, I mentioned one of the largest of these, the attempt to cure the late Isaac Bonewits of cancer by performing massed magical workings. It was a total failure. There have been plenty of other examples of the same kind of working, and the vast majority of them have been equally abject flops. Thus experience simply doesn’t support the claim that rituals of this kind are an effective means of causing change through magic.

Michael, you claimed in your earlier comment that the resignations of White House staff, the Mueller investigation, and the FBI raid on Trump’s lawyer show that your working really is doing something. To my mind, that’s handwaving, as the gyrations you’ve cited have occupied plenty of space in the media, and distracted many of Trump’s opponents from the hard work of building a political coalition that could defeat him in 2020, without actually doing anything to inconvenience Trump or keep him from pursuing his agenda.

The reality is quite the contrary.  Over the period that you and the other participants have been doing your working, Trump has gutted Obamacare by abolishing the individual mandate, begun deportations of undocumented aliens, breached the global free trade system by imposing massive tariffs on China, repealed thousands of federal regulations, and scored a massive foreign-policy coup by bringing North Korea’s Kim Jong-Un to the negotiating table. What’s more, according to recent news stories, his approval ratings are higher now than Obama’s were at the equivalent point in the latter’s presidency. So what exactly has your binding stopped him from doing?

I take a wry amusement in the fact that people who pursue mass workings of this sort nearly always dodge such questions, and insist that they’re succeeding even when the evidence contradicts that claim. I tend to see that as a tacit admission that what’s going on, down at the root, isn’t about magic—it’s about virtue signaling. While this working won’t do anything to inconvenience Donald Trump or his administration, it’s a great way to proclaim one’s identity as one of the “good people”—and of course it’s also one heck of a lot easier to spend twenty minutes or so once a month pouring out hate at a politician you happen to despise than it is to roll up your sleeves and get to work helping to rebuild the tattered remnants of American democracy from the ground up. 
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Date: 2018-04-21 12:52 am (UTC)
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There's another factor: if it works I think a lot of people casting it will be horrified at the smoking ruin that'll be all that's left of the country. After all, if the president fails....

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Date: 2018-04-21 01:46 am (UTC)
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From SamChevre

Would you be willing to talk a bit about "the public nature of the working guarantees that it will fail" in the context of religious ritual.

One factor mentioned in the earlier discussion is the widespread practice of formal prayers for the head of State. I do think that Christian ritual, especially in the more liturgical traditions, is a kind of magical working. For example, the Episcopal tradition will pray "for our president, Donald..." in words that haven't much changed since "for our Queen, Elizabeth..."

You can find the words in any prayer book: does this make those prayers ineffective?

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https://medium.com/@michaelmhughes/hex-the-nra-a-new-spell-for-the-magicresistance-5be06f113c41

I wonder why not do a working for healing, or to get gun laws passed, or something else. Why the attempt to curse the NRA?

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And this one is explicitly a hex, with no recourse even to the dubious "no ill intent/no blow-back from bindings" argument. He justifies it by saying that he is unwilling to let the NRA take one more life, but as you point out, why not a beneficial working to bring politicians to reasonable compromise on the issue, or the protection of potential victims, the healing of the families, help in time to prevent the shootings for the individuals who commit the crimes--or even a careful binding on them not to commit unnecessary violence, which the caster could also willingly accept, thus channeling the blow-back harmlessly, or if one really wants to address the NRA, a similar spell that no one who knowingly encourages violence will profit by it--again, a constraint the caster could hopefully take on themselves as well. It really does seem as if too much hatred and rage is blinding him to less harmful possibilities and overcoming his better judgment, an effect that I fear is growing with every indulgence in it.

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A neo-pagan group I'm associated with tried to do a binding. I walked out with several other members. I'd like to say it was because of magical principles, but that would be giving myself way too much credit. I simply had this picture of a mouse trying to move a mountain, together with a conviction that this was poorly thought out.

By the way, the emotional tenor was shocked and scared. There wasn't any feeling of trying to get back at anyone - the feeling was to protect themselves from what they saw as a malevolent force that was coming for at least some of them.

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Michael, JMG says he will not be arguing about the moral dimension of malicious magic here. I hope he won't mind if others ask about it, though. For me, that's the most troubling thing about this whole thing.

You have stated that the Trump binding spell is, according to you, "the largest magical working in history". Part of what you did from the very beginning, which surely helped the spell to go viral, was assure people who were worried about negative magical blowback that it's all completely safe. In the case that, in fact, you are wrong (or worse, lying) about it, then you have essentially personally made an effort to lead every participant in the largest magical working in history into experiencing binding blowback that they won't expect.

The original comment where I went into depth about what I perceive as intentionally slippery language in you've written is here: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/15011.html?thread=460707#cmt460707

Because your stance on blowback is still unclear to me, I'd like to ask you these questions directly:

Do you believe blowback to be something that really exists in magic?
a. If so, why do you think it doesn't apply in the case of bindings?
b. If not, then do you believe in karma (the principle that both your intentions and your deeds in your present life will eventually circle back to affect you in your future life)?
i. If you do believe in karma, why do you think that karma doesn't apply to magical workings (for that's all that blowback is)?
ii. If you don't believe in karma either, then why did you reassure people that bindings won't negatively affect their karma?

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I can't comment on magic, because it is far outside of my Buddhist practice, but I do recognize a few underlying principles that may provide some lateral support for your argument. To your first point, in Tibetan Buddhism there is a teaching called the four karmas. They are a series of graduated approaches to dealing with situations of conflict: pacification, enrichment, reconciliation, and destruction (which I hasten to add is non-violent.) To me it looks like this working ignores the preliminary groundwork for a successful destructive intervention, which is a bit like taking a blowtorch to a pimple. My second observation comes from training in p'howa, which is the transfer of consciousness at death. Invariably, students want to know why, if great Buddhist masters can transfer the consciousness of others at will, they haven't intervened to dispatch Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot, aka the eviliest evils who ever eviled. The answer is that those men were just the tips of some very nasty icebergs, and that removing them would simply have changed the face or symbol for the phenomenon. It would have done nothing to ameliorate the forces that propelled them to the top, which are the result of causes and conditions. If you don't change the underlying causes and conditions, you're just redecorating really, which again goes to your point about about figureheads.
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Great analysis, JMG, as always. Your position on this ritual was clear from the very first post, people who say otherwise either didn't read the posts or just didn't want to understand.

I'd like to do a ritual that would help restore the republic or at least the political discourse to normality, because I happen to like this country and I really don't want it to end in a bloody civil war.

But maybe it is my wishful thinking again, maybe the processes that tear America apart are too far gone for anyone to be able to save it? I hope not.
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After reading Mr Hughes posting, I find it hard to believe any of this asthmatic metaphysical huffing and puffing will amount to a hill of beans, especially if Trump's supporters do the equivalent of that. I found the 'optional use' of fools gold rather amusing. Who's the fool? The target of the spell or the casters? I think we all know the answer to that.

The only magic I am interested in right now is preparing my little garden patches to receive this year's planting of flowers and vegetables. Compost is my main magical ingredient combined with the elements of water and (warm) air.

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I wonder if one of the reasons that modern leftie magicians and pagans default immmediately to malicious magic --- hexing, cursing, invoking demons, etc --- is that they know that if they do a working for justice, they'll have to take the consequences of their own unjust words and deeds, and they can't bear the thought of having to do that. Most of the people I know who insist that you have to do malicious magic to get justice are not exactly exemplars of just behavior themselves.

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Reading over the comments left in the prior dreamwidth entry linked above you said that you are open to an AMA type round of question and answer. For that I applaud your courage. Thank you.

My question is do you believe that rapprochement with Trump and his supporters is possible? Do you believe that rapprochement with the NRA and its supporters is possible? If you don't believe that it is possible what do you think the outcome is most likely to be? Which side do you think is most likely to win in conflict and why?

Of course my thought is that if healing is not possible we are looking at war in which the Trumpistas are much better positioned. You wrote in your response to tunesmith in the linked dreamwidth page "I see Trump and his criminal kakistocracy as an existential threat to many things I care deeply about, from my female, brown, gay, trans, poor, and disabled friends to the biosphere, the rule of law, and civil liberties. So I have zero qualms about working magically to oppose him and everything he represents."

You imply that if Trump were to be removed from power, that would be a boon to your vulnerable friends, the biosphere, the rule of law and civil liberties. Why do you believe this to be true? What evidence is that his replacement wouldn't be worse or that the political climate would become much more volatile?

If I may Michael, I don't see how you can logically think that anything but rapprochement could be of net positive to your values. If there were to be violent open conflict the Trumpistas would win, and civil liberties, the rule of law, the protection of the biosphere and the rights of vulnerable populations would be at much greater risk than they are now. If you can find away to work with the Trumpistas you are better positioned to have your values upheld in the give-and-take of politics.

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"I care deeply about, from my female, brown, gay, trans, poor, and disabled friends"
I am so tired of these politically correct throwaway lines. What, exactly, has the Trump administration done against the gay & trans community? As a gay man who passes for female on the phone, I'd love to know. We have the equivalent to Trump in office as governor here in KY, as well as both chambers of the legislature in GOP hands for the first time since the 1920s, and the Fairness Campaign (LGBT equality) just sent me an email stating that all anti-LGBT bills were either tabled or favorably reworded. What exactly, is the threat?

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Can magic be stolen? That could be a book, maybe with former digital hoarders who look for something else to do. Then you could do a working specifically for people who steal a book about stealing magic.

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Replying to Michael's comment on the old thread

Date: 2018-04-23 03:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tunesmyth
Thanks to the Anonymous comment above at 2018-04-22 11:17 am (UTC), it has come to my attention that there was a response by Michael to one of my comments on the old thread that I didn’t see until now. If it’s okay, I’d like to respond to it here.

My original comment: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/15011.html?thread=460707#cmt460707

Michael’s response to my comment: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/15011.html?thread=769699#cmt769699

And finally, the following is my reply to that.

Michael,

If you indeed intended no deception at any point, then it is understandable when you say you don’t appreciate being accused of deception and willfully misleading people into danger. I’d like to point out, though, I didn’t just go running out there shouting “He’s a liar!” As I detailed in the linked comment, I noticed an odd discrepancy between things you said at two different times. It being an internet forum and you not being a part of the conversation yet, I didn’t have you to ask, and I simply hypothesized what seemed a likely-seeming reason to me; as you weren't present in the conversation yet, it didn't even occur to me to couch it in more pleasant language.

You then wrote “If you have questions about my beliefs and the ways I practice, I encourage you to reach out and ask me directly. I'm easy to find and not hiding anything. I'm more than happy to engage respectfully with anyone, regardless of our differences, but if you call me a liar, that's a great way to end the conversation.”

Michael, I don't understand, as in fact, I *did* contact you personally! Furthermore, if I may quote the original e-mail I sent telling you about JMG’s post, I explicitly wrote these words: “I stand by the concerns I detailed in the thread below this main post, though I am willing to entertain at least the possibility that you were not being intentionally devious.” In other words I was inviting you to explain yourself. Which you then kindly said you would do. I hope you agree with me that my conduct here is pretty much the exact opposite of anonymous internet flamethrowing.

All that said, to my mind, you still haven’t made an attempt to explain yourself about that particular issue yet, other than say you’ll stop the conversation if I call you a liar. So I officially retract my insinuations pending further information; you are not a liar yet in my book. Please do explain why you apparently implied different things about blowback at different times. Quite possibly I read the wrong things between the lines. If you take the time to answer the first comment I left above on the current thread here (https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/19932.html?thread=781788#cmt781788), I think that might shed some light on the issue.

You then write, “As for the ‘rules’ of magic, let's just say I don't think anyone has the official Dungeon Master's Guide to Practical Magic®, even JMG, who is one of the smartest people I've ever met when it comes to occultism. And if you look beyond the western esoteric traditions to the magic of indigenous cultures and the eastern traditions (like Tibetan Tantra), you'll see many different schools of thought when it comes to using magic for defensive purposes.”

What JMG refers to as the “raspberry jam rule” (i.e. that you can’t cast a spell, benefic or malefic, without getting some on yourself), I find compelling not because JMG is the ultimate magical authority, but because I observe it at work in my own life, with our without magic being involved. If I treat people, places, or things poorly; if I do things to gain advantage for myself at the expense of others (yes, I have done this a fair bit, I am sorry to say), bad things start happening to me that have no apparent connection to anyone or anything I mistreated; likewise, if I am conscientious toward others, if I try to find ways to help even when it does me no obvious good, good things begin happening as well. Instant karma. Surely partly this is psychological; other times, where the synchronicities get kuh-razy, can only be explained by deeper forces at work. Doesn’t matter, they’re all different octaves of the same melody. As above, so below.

I will come back tomorrow to respond to the argument you make about “defensive magic” meaning different things in different cultures. I look forward to seeing how any of the preceding conversations develop in the meantime.
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Thanks for your detailed criticism, JMG. Allow me to address the points one-by-one.

As for what magic is or isn't, you write:

Thus I tend to rely on those teachings and systems that have proven themselves over decades or centuries, even—or especially—when they contradict current pop-culture fads.

Your bona fides are indeed impressive. And as I've already stated, I have found your work, and our correspondence and conversations over the years, to be very helpful in my own magical development. And I have always appreciated your perspective, even when I disagree.

Here is where we might differ. You say your magic is based on teachings and systems that have proven themselves over decades or centuries. Well, I would suggest mine is as well. From what I can tell, your magic is rooted in western Hermetic traditions, and in particular the Golden Dawn system and its antecedents (notably Eliphas Levi and the European magical tradition) as well as your tenure in Druidry. I know you are also a fan of Dion Fortune (as am I). I am familiar with those systems, and spent a fair amount of time in practical exploration of Golden Dawn magic. I also find it wanting in a number of respects, and as you are aware, many of its sources were either historically inaccurate (its Egyptology is the most obvious example, along with the ahistorical beliefs about the tarot) or a product of its Victorian ethics/esthetics. It was also almost entirely manufactured by Mathers and crew out of bits and pieces they fished out of the larger pool of esoteric lore, Masonic ritual, and their own poetic flights of fancy. It is also very embedded in Judaeo-Christianity.

Nonetheless, it is a workable system, and I am grateful for your insights as I was navigating its complexities. However, my understanding of magic is based in sources going back to the Greek Magical Papyri, folk magic from a wide variety of cultures (including modern variants like hoodoo and conjure), traditional witchcraft, cunning folk lore, indigenous shamanic systems, and even (yes) some elements of chaos magic. Many beliefs and practices in those traditions contradict the very Victorian, European and Christian-based magic that you favor. And though you seem to suggest I endorse "pop culture" magical concepts, I can assure you that my own practice is very much embedded in historical traditions, not flavor-of-the-month pop occultism, and I'm happy to elaborate on my sources.

And with all due respect, what works for you may not be what works for people in other traditions. There is room for diversity in theory and approach to the very nebulous and hard-to-pin-down practice of this thing we call magic. What works for you may not work for me, and vice versa. It is a constantly evolving art, and neither you nor I have the official advanced edition rulebook—because there isn't one!

As for the moral dimensions of malevolent magic, again, I suggest your definition of "malevolent" is culture- and tradition-bound. Other traditions see no problem with binding spells or even hexing/cursing, when deemed appropriate and necessary for protection and defense. Among those of us doing the Trump binding—and they come from many traditions—the spell is seen as defensive and morally unambiguous. I'll get into that in a bit.

Michael, in our earlier interchange, I asked you whether you’d considered doing a benevolent working to strengthen American democracy or revitalize the Democratic Party. You didn’t answer.

Yes, in fact, I have assembled a number of magical workings to support and strengthen American democracy and the Democratic Party. I didn't answer your earlier question because I had a very busy weekend with my family. The many spells in support of the country and its people and institutions are included in my upcoming book from Llewellyn. The Trump binding spell is not rooted in hatred, but in love for the ideals of my country—justice, civility, civil liberties, equality—that I see being trashed by the current president and his cohorts. The spell is defensive, and if you read it, it is designed to prevent Trump and his enablers from doing harm. It does not prevent him or them from doing good. The binding phrasing is direct and explicit.

Let’s go on to the next point: the ritual is incoherent. An effective magical ritual combines carefully chosen symbols to produce an effect exactly in tune with the intention. If you want to do a love spell, you don’t use symbolism that evokes solitude and cold reason; if you want to do a prosperity spell, you don’t use symbols of loss and letting go. More precisely, if you do, you’re not going to get results from your working, because your intention and your symbolism are at odds with each other.

I disagree. The symbolism and words were carefully chosen. People have quibbled, but that's what people do. I have seen very simplistically worded spells work magnificently, and very eloquent, symbolically specific and targeted spells fail miserably.

One simple way to make the working ineffective would be to gather at the same time the working is being done, and redirect the symbolism of The Tower onto the working itself. That could be done in a simple way—say, by visualizing the lightning bolt striking the tower and bursting the bindings. It could also be done in a much more potent and effective way—say, by tying ten loops of thread onto a card of The Tower, linking them magically to the bindings the working is trying to place, invoking the ten spheres of the Tree of Life in the order of the Lightning Flash, and with each invocation, cutting one of the loops of thread with a consecrated working tool. There are other ways to exploit the incoherence in the ritual, too, and some of them are considerably more potent than the ones I’ve just described.

Okay, then they are welcome to do so. But are they? People can always try to counter magic, but are their efforts effective? That remains to be seen—I've seen no evidence that Trump is being protected, and, in fact, it seems that he is constantly exposed as inept, bumbling, and (frankly) a narcisstic idiot. If he's being protected pro-Trump magicians, they're doing a pretty awful job!

But to your particulars, the binding does not employ Golden Dawn or Cabalistic magic, so why would I care if they are using the Lightning Flash or the Sephiroth against it? People around the world gather at 11:59pm every waning crescent moon to focus their intention and energy to fuel the binding spell. I have yet to see any evidence that anywhere close to that number of people are focused on countering it, although maybe the deluded "Christians" supporting the most un-Christian president in history may come close in raw numbers. And honestly, so what? I don't fear them, and I don't base my magic on what I believe others may do to counter it. I do what I feel is necessary and important.

The public nature of the working guarantees that it will fail. This isn’t just a matter of magical philosophy, though of course Eliphas Levi discussed it at some length in his writings. It’s a matter of basic common sense. If you were a member of the French Resistance in the Second World War, let’s say, would you go out of your way to make sure that the Nazis knew your plans? If you’re playing poker, would you show the other players the cards in your hand? Not if you wanted to win, you wouldn’t.

Okay, here's where we seriously differ. I don't buy that "rule" and Levi is the be-all and end-all of magical theory. Do you understand how curses work in many traditional indigenous magic systems? The curser makes the target explicitly aware of the curse. THAT IS ITS POWER. It can literally kill someone if they believe they have been cursed. The Trump binding spell was created explicitly as a public exercise. It is important that Trump, and those abetting him, are aware of it. If you believe that mass intention and energy, when focused through ritual, can have a magical effect, and that larger numbers of participants equals more power, then there is no way to do gather a vast number of participants in secret.

It is called a "mass spell" and the purpose is to engage the energy of as many people as possible. Secrecy is a big thing in Western magic, but not in non-western systems. So that's fine if it's an ironclad rule in your tradition—but it isn't in mine. I am not bound by something Levi said in the 19th century, nor are the many practitioners of magic outside of the western European tradition.

And while you may believe magic is morally neutral (at least, that's how it appears to my reading), I disagree there, too. I embrace a more teleological concept of how the universe works. I believe in the oft-repeated maxim that the universe bends in the direction of justice (with lots of fits and stops and backsliding, of course, but generally towards wholeness and growth). Therefore the magicians of the alt-right are at a disadvantage, as they are working counter to more evolutionary social and political currents. You can disagree, but I think my model is as defensible as a morality-neutral universe.

Finally, rituals of this kind consistently don’t work, and this one isn’t working either. This is hardly the first time a few thousand Neopagans have gotten together online and organized a coordinated mass working, using a specific spell, to try to make something happen. In my original post, I mentioned one of the largest of these, the attempt to cure the late Isaac Bonewits of cancer by performing massed magical workings. It was a total failure. There have been plenty of other examples of the same kind of working, and the vast majority of them have been equally abject flops. Thus experience simply doesn’t support the claim that rituals of this kind are an effective means of causing change through magic.

Says you :-) I beg to differ. You keep bringing up the Bonewitz healing spell. So what? He had cancer. Sometimes magic works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes that cancer is too advanced. Maybe his role was complete and he wanted to die. There are so many variables it is absurd to use that as an example of how magic works or doesn't work.

And sure, there have been plenty of other mass spells. I don't think there has ever been one as large as the Trump binding spell, however, or one with as much diversity among its participants. Thousands of people, from Wiccans to traditional witches to assorted pagans and eclectic magicians like me, and even some Christians, take part in the ritual every month, and have been doing so for over a year. The vast majority of them would disagree with you that it isn't working, as you can find out for yourself by simply asking them. They aren't silly, deluded new agers, either—the majority of them have been practicing magic for years. The list of notable pagans, witches, and magicians who have endorsed the spell will be obvious when my book comes out.

Michael, you claimed in your earlier comment that the resignations of White House staff, the Mueller investigation, and the FBI raid on Trump’s lawyer show that your working really is doing something. To my mind, that’s handwaving, as the gyrations you’ve cited have occupied plenty of space in the media, and distracted many of Trump’s opponents from the hard work of building a political coalition that could defeat him in 2020, without actually doing anything to inconvenience Trump or keep him from pursuing his agenda.

It's not handwaving. This is the most corrupt, bungling administration is modern U.S. history, and every day more of his criminal, unethical, and inept behavior is brought to light. The Mueller investigation has resulted in an unprecedented number of indictments and looks to be close to sinking the administration and possibly imperiling Trump's entire family. The GOP is hemorrhaging and Democrats are winning in regions formerly deemed impossible, flipping 30 seats nationwide so far. For every Trump "win" I can point to an equal or larger number of losses. And how do you know he wouldn't have done *more* damage if our spell had not been binding him from doing so? You don't. Magic doesn't have easy scoring systems.

If you think Trump is winning, I'd hate to see what you consider losing :-) Would you care to revisit this thread after the fall primaries?

I take a wry amusement in the fact that people who pursue mass workings of this sort nearly always dodge such questions, and insist that they’re succeeding even when the evidence contradicts that claim. I tend to see that as a tacit admission that what’s going on, down at the root, isn’t about magic—it’s about virtue signaling. While this working won’t do anything to inconvenience Donald Trump or his administration, it’s a great way to proclaim one’s identity as one of the “good people”—and of course it’s also one heck of a lot easier to spend twenty minutes or so once a month pouring out hate at a politician you happen to despise than it is to roll up your sleeves and get to work helping to rebuild the tattered remnants of American democracy from the ground up.

Uh, no. I'm not dodging any questions. It's not virtue signaling to magically oppose a criminal kakistocracy. And as to your accusation of slacktivism, you clearly do not understand the type of people participating in this spell. I do. I talk to them all the time. They're not just doing the spell and sitting back in their recliners to see how it unfolds. They're passionate, engaged, and actively participating in *all* aspects of political resistance, from marches to letter and email writing, calling their representatives, and voting.

And while you can pontificate about the stupidity, pointlessness, and magical inefficacy of what we are doing, I'd encourage you to talk to the people participating. They're not dolts, they're not magical newbies, and they are deeply engaged in mundane as well as magical forms of activism. They find their participation in the ritual strengthens their commitment to the ideals of justice, liberty, equality, and peace (as specifically explicated in the spell's language). They believe it is working, on many levels.

The western Cabalistic/Golden Dawn approach to magic might be what works for you, but I see it as narrow and a product of its time, mired in historical inaccuracies, and exposing a very Eurocentric perspective. As I left those pastures, I discovered that folk traditions worked much better for me, so the Trump spell is based in very old, very common folk magic traditions. But it is also based in a broader definition of magic—one that includes art and spectacle, poetry and performance. It also incorporates mass intention and focused ritualized energy as a powerful force in its own right, even if was stripped of all magical language and theory.

And what if you just consider it as a prayer? Because you can look at it as precisely that—a prayer in which thousands of people from many countries simultaneously focus their intent on removing a dangerous man from power and protecting the country and its people.

Ultimately, in my view (and it's widely shared among the participants) it's working. Trump *will* be driven from office, and his presidency will be seen as a colossal embarrassment and a sad chapter in this nation's history. Whether we get credit or not doesn't matter to me. Magic resistance is just another tool in our very large toolkit.

Regardless of our disagreements, I am grateful for everything I've learned from you over the years, and to have the opportunity to present my case here. Happy to continue the conversation or answer questions from your forum participants.

Michael





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talk, talk, talk, doesn't really matter. What will be we will see soon enough.

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Date: 2018-04-23 08:26 pm (UTC)
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I am fairly new to magic. I did perform the binding ritual, and now I feel foolish as everything you have written about now makes complete sense to me.

I did it the first time around, so it's been quite a while now since then and I have not done it since (mostly because rather than feeling like I did something to help I felt rather icky afterwards and almost immediately regretted it). Do you have any suggestions for cleansing that feeling/energy? Has the blowback already passed over since it's been so long?

Thank you for the insight by the way. I will be reading this journal/blog regularly now.

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I am also a magickian with 30+ years experience and am gleefully participating in the Bind Trump Working.

It is really sad that you are spending your energy attempting to take down someone from within our small community.

The fact of the matter is that Michael wrote a Working that has resonated with a phenomenally large number of witches, pagans, magickians, and folks totally new to these paths. That alone is worthy of respect.

Your specific critiques of the Working arent convincing and especially in relation to the use of The Tower, show you havent taken the time to understand the intent.

Why not just live and let live, or write your own Working that resonates around the world?

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Two things I've noticed in this exchange.

First, the working against the NRA is an escalation of the binding against Trump in a couple of ways. The rhetoric is more wrathful, more vulgar, and more Manichaean in its morality. Second, no attempt is made to make the working anything other than a curse; it's not meant to bind, or stop harm, but as symbolic violence, pure and simple. Third, while Trump can be seen as an outlier of mainstream Republican politics, the NRA can not. It is an ordinary Republican interest group, similar to the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, or the NAACP on the Left.

It takes three to make a pattern, so we will see if what I'm saying holds up when the next Michael Hughes group working is released. But what I am seeing is a pattern which I find both familiar and alarming. It is the pattern of self-damnation, whereby a person, often starting from good intentions, justifies increasingly immoral acts. It's the sort of downward incremental spiral that ends in serious problems with drug addiction, sexual misconduct, or violence.

Second, I notice that Mr. Hughes's responses to JMG's critiques on this site often fail to address the points that JMG makes, while ending with a passive-aggressive ":-)". This strikes me as indicative of someone who is not operating in a calm or rational frame of mind.

The combination of mental incoherence, binary thinking, and palpable rage suggests to me that there is a dark force at work, and that Mr. Hughes and his confederates are best avoided. I hope it doesn't escalate beyond painting dollar bills and swearing on the internet, but these are troubled times.

-Steve T

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I am trying to read and follow the discussion here, as I am deeply curious about the subject matter; both the efficacy or otherwise of this magical working, and the experience and knowledge of both Michael and JMG. I am not a mage.

Michael, you evidently have much experience and knowledge to offer. I also get the sense that you have had to take several deep breaths in some cases before replying here (and thank you for doing so).

I am having a hard time learning from you, Michael, because your frequent sarcasm and name-calling (of third parties, not of anyone 'here') make your message less palatable to me.

I am only some random person on the internet, but I think it's worth pointing out that for me, and likely some others, these habits *reduce* your impact, rather than increase it. If you spoke like this in a discussion you and I were having in person, I would quickly lose interest.

Having got that off my chest, please all continue, in whatever way you will, and I will do my best to read and ponder all points of view presented. Thank you again, Michael and JMG, for being willing to hold this public discussion, and JMG for hosting it.

Matt.

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JMG, while I find the first three criticism you have given in this post (unclear intention, lack of coherence, self-defeating transparency) immediately convincing, your discussion of the fourth one seems to contain either a contradiction or something I genuinely don't understand.

In your main post, criticism #4 is that "experience simply doesn't support the claim that rituals of this kind are an effective means of causing change through magic," which I took to mean that mass workings are generally ineffective. However, when discussing the Nazi rallies at Nuremberg and Dion Fortune's magical Battle of Britain (ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/19932.html?thread=815068#cmt815068), you end by saying "now notice which side won," implying that these magical workings did cause massive changes indeed, to the point of deciding the outcome of the Second World War in Europe.

Now, if the difference between the (supposedly effective) historical workings and the (supposedly ineffective) current one is simply due to the technical defects described in your first three criticisms, then why make "rituals of this kind consistently don't work" a separate item on your list? And, conversely, if mass workings are ineffective *irrespective* of their technical merit, then why assume this wasn't the case in the 1940s?

(Please note that I'm asking out of a real interest in understanding criticism #4. I am unaffiliated in the debate at hand.)

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Michael,

Please keep laughing at us. We look forward to seeing your reaction when you lose again. :)

Sincerely, a Trump supporting mage.

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It seems like Trump and the election hold a magnetic draw on a lot of people's minds. It's like they can't see something related to Trump without going back to them. Do you know of anything in occult philosophy that might explain this?

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I have to say that I'm extremely disappointed in Michael Hughes. It seems that he's using exactly the same kind of childish vocabulary of insults, sneers, and arrogant dismissal that President Trump uses. What you hate you imitate, indeed.
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I must say, I'm really and truly fascinated by Mr. Hughes' repeated insistence that JMG is relying solely on Eurocentric, Victorian notions of what magic must be and ignoring what indigenous and folk traditions have to bring to the table, despite having it pointed out to him probably a dozen times in rhis thread that our host is a graduate of Cat Yronwode's extremely rigorous African American hoodoo coursework, and if I recall correctly, was until a few years ago on the board of the Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and Popularization of Indigenous Ethnomagicology (Y.I.P.P.I.E.). Again, fascinating, as that's pretty obviously a way to dodge the fact that in hoodoo (and other folk traditions), silence about your workings seems to be even more strongly emphasized than it is in the Hermetic tradition. A common proverb: "Lay your trick and then walk away..."

Mr. Hughes also suggests that Trump et al knowing about the spell's existence is meant to aid its effectiveness. Might I point out that such knowledge Is likely only to start your enemies quaking in their boots if they actually believe in magic's efficacy? If Trump has even heard of this spell, it didn't muster so much as a Tweet. Which, I might add, is all to the good, as the likely response of him perceiving a legitimate threat from the occult crowd would be to crack down legislatively, which I doubt any of us would appreciate.

-Cú Meala mac Morrígna

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