Yet again, one of the classic ways to fail at magic is getting the ol' Hogwarts try.One of my readers -- tip of the hat to Tunesmith -- brought to my attention another attempt by people on the leftward end of the occult scene to use magic to influence US politics. You can read about it here if you like; the short form is that the organizer gave the script for a simple (as in abject beginner-level) spell intended "to bind Donald Trump and all who abet him," and instructed participants to do the spell on every waning crescent moon.
I discussed the problems with this kind of magic in a post on one of my old blogs, but the point deserves making again -- and this example of the species has an interesting feature some of my readers may want to know about.
A surprising number of people seem to think that binding spells are exempt from the kind of blowback that tends to happen with curses. Not so; no magic, anywhere, is exempt from blowback. Whenever you do a magical working, the energies of that working are going to affect you as well as the target of the working. That's why spells for healing, blessing, and other good things are a good idea; the person for whom you do them benefits, and so do you. The underlying principle is what I call the Raspberry Jam Law: with magic, as with raspberry jam, you can't spread it on anything else without getting it all over your own hands.
The blowback from a binding spell is quite simply that you bind yourself when you bind anyone else. (Tip of the archdruidical hat to Dewey, who commented to this effect in the original discussion.) If you keep this in mind and choose your intentions judiciously, you can do it and not have any troubles; for example, quite early in my magical training I did a very effective binding spell on a domestic abuser -- he stopped abusing his victim (and in fact dropped entirely out of her life), and accepting the same binding on myself was as acceptable as it was unnecessary. The intention in this spell wasn't done with any particular care, though, and I doubt the people who are hard at work doing it really want to bind their own tongues and works -- but that's what they've done.
Still, there's another dimension to this particular epic fail. Er, folks --
NOTHING ON THE INTERNET IS PRIVATE.
If you set up a magical working of this kind on a public blog, and get people to splash eager discussions of it all over other public internet spaces, guess what? People who disagree with your goals will find out about it. There are a lot of people in the alt-Right who are into occultism, and some of them know quite a bit about the subject. By splashing this all over the internet, the organizer of this project guaranteed that on every waning crescent from now until Trump finishes the second term he's probably going to get at this point, alt-Right occultists are going to gather and do their own magic to mess with the proposed spell. Since they already know the dates, the time, the intention, and every detail of the ritual, throwing a metaphysical monkey wrench into the gears is child's play -- especially since they won't be limited to the kind of simple magical working in which everyone can participate.
All this is uncomfortably reminiscent of another failure along similar lines. Some years ago, when the late Isaac Bonewits was dying of cancer, people in the Neopagan community organized a so-called "Rolling Thunder" ritual to try to keep him alive. It was put together online in the same way as the working we're discussing, and it failed completely -- he died a few months after the working got going. Why? Bonewits was the opposite of an uncontroversial figure in the Neopagan scene; he was in fact very good at making enemies, and since the organizers of the working obligingly made sure that everyone knew exactly what the spell was that they were trying to use, those people who hated Bonewits' guts (and there was no shortage of those) had everything they needed to mess with the spell. I don't know for a fact that that's what happened, but that's my best guess.
And it's my best guess, in the present case, that blowback from the working we're discussing may be one of the factors behind the really quite impressive failure of the Democratic Party to learn any of the lessons of its 2016 defeat or come up with a meaningful alternative to Trumpismo on the march. I wonder how many would-be anti-Trump activists have systematically placed a binding on their own tongues and works by plunging into this misbegotten project -- with, no doubt, the genial help of alt-Right mages.
What a flustered cluck.
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Date: 2018-03-07 01:58 am (UTC)Interesting, but if I send this to my friend who has had two binding parties so far, we won't be talking in the future. She was as invested in Hillary (The Candidate™ whose logo pointed to the right!) as she was dismissive of Sanders and anyone (including her husband) who supported him.
Come to think of it, I wonder how much of her attitude predetermined the outcome?
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Date: 2018-03-07 02:42 am (UTC)That's just one of several thoughts I've had. This could be quite fun....
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Date: 2018-03-07 03:36 am (UTC)Of course there are many other ways to go about it, and your thought of aiming the blowback is also highly elegant.
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Date: 2018-03-07 07:07 am (UTC)Shortly after the original working, he posted a response to common concerns about it that troubled me:https://medium.com/@michaelmhughes/art-activism-magic-answers-to-questions-about-the-mass-ritual-to-bind-donald-trump-11e52f94c23e
I'm troubled because in the post of the original working, Hughes acknowledged the existence of blowback as a thing, even if he was apparently mistaken about it not occurring in this case. But the follow-up postakes me suspect that he is, in fact, aware of the blowback from binding but used devious language to hide this from inexperienced people who won't know netter.
From the first post: "It is understood, in this context, that binding does not generate the potential negative blowback from cursing/hexing/crossing, nor does it harm the caster’s karma." (No word on the Blowback that one would get from a binding, in other words.)
From the response post:
"[QUESTION] My Wiccan friends tell me this spell is dangerous. They say that anything negative you put out comes back to harm you threefold.
[HUGHES] Ah, yes, the 'Three-fold Law' or the 'Law of Return.' It is a core belief of many Wiccans, witches, and pagans.
[QUESTION] But you’re not afraid of it?
[HUGHES] Actually, no, because I’m not Wiccan. But not every witch accepts it as relevant anyway. It originated not in some ancient European coven hundreds of years ago, but in High Magic’s Aid, a 1949 novel by Gerald Gardner, one of the inventors of modern witchcraft.
[QUESTION] Oh.
[HUGHES] What’s your next question?"
I find this extremely disingenuous and willfully, dangerously misleading-- he pointedly discounts Three-fold return as though it fully addresses the issue of blowback, and clearly intentionally leaves crickets where it comes to the issue of singlefold return.
In other words, he seems to be consciously leading beginners into negative blowback that they won't expect, to boost the power of his working. Perhaps the binding spell won't affect the Karma of others performing it, but given this deception I do wonder whether it might affect his own.
--Tunesmith
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Date: 2018-03-07 04:48 pm (UTC)The laws of magic are what they are, and they don't care whether you believe in them or not. The rule of threefold return is a good working approximation of the way my Raspberry Jam Law works in practice, and those who insist that it can't happen to them -- well, they get to deal with the consequences of their actions, whether they believe that happens or not.
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Date: 2018-03-07 07:36 am (UTC)I cannot help but imagine a person like the author should to some degree be capable of perceiving the problematic nature of this working. Seems very unfortunate.
Wasn't there a comment recently in MM about curses being based on a truth that the target if liable to try ingoring, and malicious spells being built around lies? I will look it up in the morning, anyway it seems to me that the disclaimer about there being no blowback and all such is somewhere in the murky territory amidst those two. I mean wishing failure, and all that, assuming harmful intent, name calling too tedious to list. It is basically a revenge dream. Then laughing as a 'ground' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y , creepy.
I will say that I don't understand the details about the importance of secrecy, it is still strange to me that aspect of the vunerability of a magical working.
I cannot help but suspect that the author of this working would be umpteen times more intelligent and clear thinking on a topic sans Trump. The degree to which the left has been dumb-struck by this political shift is chilling.
Chilling.
Ray Wharton.
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Date: 2018-03-07 04:56 pm (UTC)The same thing applies here, because there's a comparable conflict between mages who hate Trump and mages who support him. Since the person who put this working together has published all the details right there on the internet, alt-Right mages can work magic aimed at his spell to disrupt it, and that's much, much easier if you know the details of the spell, the times and dates when it's being performed, and so on. If he'd maintained the secrecy that's usual in such things, the other side wouldn't have any of those advantages.
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Date: 2018-03-07 02:26 pm (UTC)Far better, it seems to me, is to create workings that enable good government — that leaders recognize and welcome people of sound judgement and honest character into their circle of advisors; that accurate information reaches the councils of government in a timely manner; that accurate information is acted upon with the appropriate balance of speed and comity; that corrupt officials are exposed and removed; that elected and appointed leaders encounter and recognize their best vote-option in a series of lucky encounters; that the courts operate within a framework of justice tempered with mercy; that unnecessary violence by officials of the state is reduced in frequency; that laws are enacted which promote the general welfare, and that they are fairly enforced.
Any one of those is a reasonable target for a large amount of spellwork, each of which could be more precisely targeted and timed and directed; and all of which taken together have a tendency to bring about great benefits to the working, the worker, and the community in which they live.
Jason Miller, in his recent book on spell crafting, wrote something that resonates with me a great deal: he said "Magic is a rhizome". For those who don't know, rhizomes are plants that live beneath the ground, sending up stalks and shoots wherever convenient. They get into all the nooks and crannies, and spread both horizontally and vertically; you might kill the plant above ground, but it will always reappear some distance away. Magic does seem to be like that — it gets into all the nooks and crannies of our own lives first, then into the lives of our friends, and finally in the targets; it seems to wind up in the water, in the air, in the ground...
But in the framework of the Raspberry Jam (isn't Raspberry a rhizome?) Principle, it strikes me that having a more honest and fair and smooth relationship with my government is a good thing; and chances are that it is also good for my friends, and it's also good for my community. As a set of general guidelines (and not a specific spell), it strikes me as a good thing all around.
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Date: 2018-03-07 05:06 pm (UTC)The skeleton in the closet of the political Left, as I've noted before, is that they're desperately looking for an excuse to hate, abuse, and destroy someone, while still feeling good about themselves. The contemporary cult of mandatory niceness is as stifling as the Victorian cult of mandatory sexlessness, and the result is the same -- massive hypocrisy attempting to paper over the inevitable return of the repressed.
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Date: 2018-03-07 03:14 pm (UTC)It's really disheartening to hear that something so basic is forgotten or ignored--is it that they think their cause so righteous that there can't possibly be any negative consequences? This spell strikes me as more political theater, a la the Yippies, than a genuine magical working, but as we all know, just because you're playing at magic doesn't mean you get an exemption from consequences.
--Sister Crow
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Date: 2018-03-07 05:16 pm (UTC)Good Heavens
Date: 2018-03-07 06:59 pm (UTC)It is clear that I had better add appeals for good government and wisdom among the leadership to my own daily devotions.
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Date: 2018-03-07 09:10 pm (UTC)I enjoy your site. Where else can I chat with a Druid?
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Date: 2018-03-08 11:48 am (UTC)Earlier that day I listened to a Time Soup podcast featuring that very man.
Whoa!
He went into some of his childhood which included some pretty bad experiences with rather unpleasant entities.
He also mentioned being drawn to the dark side of things.
The topic of the discussion was actually about Tarot and although he had some interesting things to say, some of it was a bit snobbish and somewhat discouraging to a just starting out beginner like me.
My final impression of him, was not particularly positive.
Then not long after I read this post.
From never having heard of him, 2 instances in one day.
Hmmm
For anyone interested in listening Google his name and tune soup
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Date: 2018-03-10 12:13 am (UTC)https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/secret-service-responds-reports-shots-fired-white-house-n852921
Hastur, the king in yellow!
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Date: 2018-03-10 03:45 pm (UTC)How not to do magic
Date: 2018-03-10 01:26 am (UTC)An earlier commenter asked if raspberries were rhizomes. Raspberries aren’t rhizome plants (they are members of the rose family) but they do have the habit of producing something called suckers which are sprouts that pop up from the base of the plant and can develop their own root system. If you want them to spread, just carefully dig them up and replant elsewhere. However if you are trying to get your plants to produce berries, you want to remove the suckers as they will pull strength from the main plant and reduce production.
Using that as an analogy, I wonder if an ill-conceived spell (not properly worded, focused or what have you) might also produce unwanted ‘side shoots’ draining off the energy of the spell reducing its intended effect or causing unintended effects either on the caster (the raspberry jam effect) or on others in the vicinity not the direct target of the spell? A badly cast spell could well be the gift that keeps on giving whether you want it to or not, at least until the energy finally dissipates. How long can a spell or curse last?
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Date: 2018-03-10 03:53 pm (UTC)Which is to say: yes, exactly.
As for the duration of a spell, spells are information rather than energy, so they don't run down like a battery-powered bunny. To use Dion Fortune's useful metaphor, a magical working establishes a "track in space" that will tend to draw moving things into its trajectory, and the more things end up following that trajectory, the deeper the "rut" and the more persistent the effect. Every spell you cast is therefore a gift that keeps on giving; whether or not it affects its target, it affects you, and will keep on affecting you indefinitely.
If you decide you made a mistake, you're kind of screwed; you can neutralize the effect by doing several spells with the opposite intention, but the original "track in space" is still going to be there, pulling at you and locking up some part of your capacity to do anything else. That's why it's so important to think through your workings before you do them, use divination as well as reason and ordinary common sense to make sure it's a good idea, and aim at precise, limited goals.
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Date: 2018-04-17 06:14 pm (UTC)As a longtime fan and personal friend of JMG (who helped me enormously in my magical journey), I am happy to discuss and answer questions about the spell I created and all of the criticism here, which I find largely misplaced, if well-intentioned. Consider this an AMA, if that's allowed :-)
Suffice it to say, there are many ways to approach magic, many definitions of magic, and many sets of rules embraced by many people. For one example, let's take secrecy. I've been called all sorts of nasty names by mages because I chose to make this spell public, violating some cardinal "rule" of magic as explicated by our old pal Levi.
Well, it just so happens that some pretty common magic violates that rule. Let's look at cursing, for example. It is common among many forms of indigenous magic to make the target aware of the magic done against him/her. In fact, that's what contributes in large part to its effectiveness.
So yes, I made this spell public. It has been embraced by many in the Pagan/witch/magic communities and blasted by others. Those who have embrace the spell, and there are thousands, do it every waning crescent moon. Is it working? Well, that's always the question, isn't it? I'd say in many respects it has bound the current occupant of the White House fairly well. Look at the resignations, look at the Mueller investigation, the raid on his lawyer's office, and so on.
As for the alt-right magicians, I laugh at them, as I do the HOGD Grand Poobah David Griffin, who has labeled me a "black magician" and continues to lie about me at every opportunity.
So, if JMG agrees, I'm happy to answer any questions and explain my magical philosophy.
Oh, and I find it funny that some people commented I was "bound" by my bad magic just because my blog wasn't updated. I've been working on a two books, one of which contains even more political magic and will be published in September. So much for being "bound" :-)
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Date: 2018-04-17 10:01 pm (UTC)Failing to take your opponents seriously is not necessarily a good plan, by the way, as that habit on your end of the political spectrum played a major role in putting Trump in the White House, but here again, you have the right to make your own mistakes.
I do have one question, though. Did you at any point consider doing a benefic working -- a working to restore American democracy, say, or to revitalize the Democratic Party -- instead of a malicious and destructive one? I ask this because I've noticed (as discussed in this essay among others) that a lot of people on the leftward end of the political spectrum turn to malicious magic by preference, even in situations where something with a benefic focus would be far more clearly justified. It's a curious pattern, and suggests to me that the old saw "what you hate, you imitate" may be more than usually relevant here.
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Date: 2018-04-18 04:55 am (UTC)Michael suggested above having a sort of "AMA" here for your readers. This post is quite old at this point and nobody except us is likely to actually see these comments, in the present tense, at least. It's your virtual drawing room here, of course, to do with as you see fit. But may I suggest that it might be instructive to start a new post with a conversation with Michael as its subject?
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Date: 2018-04-18 05:03 am (UTC)I feel that such a conversation could serve three purposes.
(1) it could help advertise the blowback dangers to people who are considering performing the spell;
(2) it could be a useful exercise in good rhetoric, a recent important theme over on the main blog;
(3) there is always the chance you might influence Michael to change his perspective still. People are going to get hurt here.
Best regards,
Tunesmith
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Date: 2018-04-18 07:52 pm (UTC)Happy to engage
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Date: 2018-04-19 04:34 pm (UTC)I would prefer to avoid political questions, as I think that might derail the discussion of the purely magical aspects that are being so roundly criticized. But again, I'll be happy to follow your lead.
Thanks for the opportunity.
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Date: 2018-04-19 06:17 pm (UTC)I'd also prefer to leave the political dimension out of it, for two reasons. First, of course, it's irrelevant to the magical dimension -- whether or not Donald Trump is the evilest evil that ever eviled has no bearing on whether a working to hinder him is competently planned and performed or not. Second, people on both sides of the current political standoff tend to melt down completely when they have to encounter someone who disagrees with their personal political stance, and listening to shrieking tantrums gets boring very quickly.
That said, there's one aspect of politics that will have to be brought into it -- those aspects of the political situation that provide evidence for the effectiveness, or lack of same, of your project. You cited the various resignations, the Mueller investigation, and so on as evidence your project is working. I'll have some things to say about that same point as well, of course, and that will also require citing evidence from the political news.
If that's acceptable, we can proceed.