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group discussionThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as rumors fly that the governor of California has been crippled by one of the "rare" side effects of Covid vaccination, and the mainstream media is busy trying to insist that cardiac arrest in children is perfectly normal, the floor is open for discussion. 
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Date: 2021-11-09 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Here is the updated .epub (open ebook format) of the hypothesis and all open threads and comments
https://mega.nz/file/1YgWFbqK#IyqYfVOAi20s4O_Kiub5pKCniOF8M2msfb-zjbSLjT4

Thanks for all the comments and support, I thought to give back a bit...

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Date: 2021-11-09 07:21 pm (UTC)
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Thank you for doing that!

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Date: 2021-11-09 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] emilyknapstad
The governor of the doublevaxx of California hasn't been seen for two weeks since getting the booster shot very publicly, on top of that one the developers of the electronic vax pass passed away suddenly after the second dose. There has been speculations that he is either affected by bells or Gillian Barre syndrome and the doctors trying with various treatments to speed up the recovery. The only picture is blurry masked man picture on some wedding while he canceled all public appearances under various excuses. It seems to me that karmic forces are in full force at this point i expect the elites to ignore all the signs of karmic or gods retribution for pushing what is essentially poison on people and get hit by lightning one day in middle of speech about anti vaxxers .

As for your divine test i met the grandfather of my partner being staunchly unfoxxed and warning about it mind you the man is 80+ every single Norwegian past 65 has been stabbed first and most of them are absolutely terrified from the Coof and yet this man who is 80 doesn't use the computer, watches TV every day isn't exactly church goer or spiritual person came to conclusion that the jab is dangerous based on a pamflett while every day we got bombarded by the media how we gonna all die from the basically the cold if we don't take the vaccine. I am curious what you make of this.

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Date: 2021-11-09 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You don't do things to others when Saturn is magnified. Playings Saturn on other people is not a good idea. I remember that I saw somewhere that Ramakrishna said something like: if you play with Kali's sword you might cut yourself.

A thread on Gavin Newsom

Date: 2021-11-09 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am creating a thread on Gavin Newsom, because we anticipate this to be a major even going forward. Please list what you find as "FACT" and "SPECULATION".

Here is what we know so far.

FACT - Gavin Newsom did not make a public appearance since he got his booster shot. He canceled a scheduled speech at the global climate summit, which is very unusual. It is also unusual that he announced California's 5-11 vaccine mandate by email only.

INFORMED SPECULATION -

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/gavin-newsom-is-out-of-sight-likely

Steve Kirsch says "Gavin Newsom is out of sight likely because he had Bell's palsy from his booster shot"

"I’m guessing it is Bell’s palsy for three reasons:

it’s far more common COVID vaccine side effect than GBS (by a factor of almost 5)

it’s common after Moderna (which is what he got) because Moderna has a large dose,

it resolves relatively quickly compared to GBS (within days or weeks) so it would enable him to “fully recover” in 2 weeks and do the event today."

He also reported -

"Now, November 9, almost two weeks later, he is scheduled to do a livestream 11:45 am on at the California Economic Summit per this article. By then he could look totally normal as I will explain below."

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Date: 2021-11-09 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am thinking that he just came down with Covid and nothing worse. The big thing he cancelled was international travel. Only an idiot would get a Moderna shot and not EXPECT to test positive to Covid within the next week. So my thought was he got the shot not realizing he would be tested and had to cancel because he either tested positive or had real symptoms. I have no data — just hypothesizing based on what I see on the internet. I keep looking for the big “wake up” event. But I don’t think this is it.

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It's not your father's heart condition anymore.

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Date: 2021-11-09 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am curious to know if people believe there are significant medical risks to receiving weekly COVID tests (sorry if this has already been addressed).

I am not a doctor, but if I had to guess...

Date: 2021-11-09 07:40 pm (UTC)
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If you are able to buy the test (I think you can do that with the antigen one in some countries) and apply it yourself: Very low risk to develop some allergy to the fibers in the probe. Probably not at all if the fibers are hypoallergenic. No risk at all from the reactive agent, since that is never supposed to enter in contact with your body in the first place (you take out the sample, then put it in the reactive).

If you go to a clinic to get tested: you are in contact with people who has good reason to suspect they are infected, and with stressed, overworked people that are themselves in contact with infected people all the time. Under those conditions, safety protocols get pushed to the limit. You may or may not consider this to be a risk worth considering.

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Date: 2021-11-09 07:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
A few things:

1. after letting it slip my mind last week, I've updated the IM Doc post on my journal (click my username). I'll get another one or two queued up for this week with the hope of catching up to August.

2. Does anyone still have the link to the UK ad that normalizes cardio problems in young people? My daughter, reading the BMJ paper on Pf***er's (I love how the additional asterisk can change the tenor of that name) test shenanigans, turned to me and said, "Now watch, they'll start saying heart attacks in young people are normal" - turns out she's reading the situation quite well on her own and hadn't seen the ad. I'd like to show it to her.

3. Speaking of the BMJ article (https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/375/bmj.n2635.full.pdf) that someone linked to early in last week's thread - has anyone seen any traction with what it reveals? Is there any "chatter" about how the trial was well and truly a catastrophe and that maybe "we" should rethink?

4. And, I have to say I found this discussion very stimulating: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/156054.html?thread=21127574#cmt21127574. I haven't read Simon Sheridan's series of articles ( http://simonsheridan.me/covid-19/the-coronapocalypse-part-1-the-madness-of-crowds-in-the-age-of-the-internet/ on the devouring mother archetype yet, but it also seems to tie in with the Monstro and Jonah stories.

In the meantime, I found a nice ebook version of Pinocchio (not Disney), here. They have a lot of other, well-formatted open source books as well.

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Date: 2021-11-09 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The original was here:

https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/1445005425687027714

But I see it has been taken down since I forwarded it to someone on October 6th. I can't find an alternative source for it. Hmmmm.

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Date: 2021-11-09 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kashtan
Something that's been bothering me since the beginning of the whole COVID mess is the framing of the debate as one of individualism vs the collective good. While much of this has come from the authoritarians who are positioning themselves as the ones who care about others as opposed to those selfish people who only care about themselves, I've seen a certain amount of this framing coming from those in opposition as well.

While I do consider individual rights an important issue, the other question to ask in response to those who portray themself as the saviors of the common good of society is, how exactly has society improved where your policies have been enacted? Because I see the opposite, society is in a significantly worse place than it was two years ago (and it wasn't that great then either). They'll usually answer that things would have been even worse without the authoritarian policies, but analysis of different places with different COVID policies doesn't tend to show much in the way of better COVID outcomes in the more authoritarian places, and the non-COVID damages tend to be worse the more COVID measures there were. How is destruction of small businesses, increased depression and deaths of despair, increased polarization and hatred between others, how does any of that represent a benefit to society? It's only been a benefit to the rich and powerful, and some of the PMC types who benefited from the work from home situation. It's not a question of individualism versus the common good as the authoritarian policies wreck both individual liberty and the health of society at large.

From what I've heard, the Amish figured this out pretty quickly, and by May 2020 had mostly just decided to get on with their normal lives as much as possible, that COVID itself was less dangerous to their communities than freaking out about it would be. The Amish are very community-minded, not rugged individualists. Imagine if the collectivists, the ones primarily concerned about the common good, had taken this attitude on a larger scale. Limited shutdowns of things like schools and larger events for short periods of high transmission so as not to overwhelm healthcare systems can make sense, but overall if authorities had tried to generally encourage calmness rather than fearmongering, and put the idea around that hysteria was more damaging to society than the virus, society could have gotten through this in much better shape. This has happened before during crises. Even as recently as 9/11 there was still some of this. Sure, there was plenty of fearmongering and intrusion of people's rights, but I do remember there was also a narrative out there in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 that living your normal life was the patriotic thing to do, that living in fear was letting the terrorists win, because what terrorists seek to do is bring terror. I haven't seen that narrative at all with COVID, being terrified is encouraged, as well as guilt tripping and shaming to a level that clouds clear thinking.

The Amish example is part of why I see so much of the "common good" talk as disingenuous. Sure, plenty of people do really believe it, but they don't seem to really think hard about what really helps vs harms society, and I think that's just because underneath it all there's more fear than they want to admit. I mean both fear in the individual level, fear of death, but also fear of the failure of the religion of progress.

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Date: 2021-11-09 10:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Good comment. "The common good" is often a paramoralism put forward by a group that would benefit from a policy to convince a group that would be harmed that they must set aside their own needs. People succumb to this very quickly. It is crucial to question the validity of the assertion when it comes up.

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Date: 2021-11-09 07:45 pm (UTC)
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I'm seeing a relatively common narrative surrounding COVID that many are following that hasn't been talked about nearly as much as the mainstream narrative or the conspiracy narrative. This narrative has overlaps with both the mainstream and the conspiracy narrative but is different in key ways. The basic premise of this narrative is that authoritarian measures are bad from a moral standpoint but from a practical standpoint are the most effective way to run society. People espousing this narrative rarely state the second part directly, they tend to portray themselves as defenders of liberty, but reading between the lines it sounds like part of them is convinced that going in the direction of authoritarian China under the CCP is progress and may be inevitable, they are fighting it for moral reasons but there's a good chance it's a lost cause. I'd put a lot of Republican politicians in this category as well as plenty of ordinary people too who don't like the idea of vaccine mandates or other authoritarian measures but still believe in the religion of Progress enough (specifically, the current version of Progress that's attached itself to CCP-type authoritarianism) that they can't really see it going any other way in the end.

I'll call this narrative the Wool narrative, after the book "Wool" by Hugh Howey. For those who haven't read it, Wool is a dystopian sci-fi novel published about ten years ago, at first self published by Howey. He was unknown at the time and didn't advertise it, it caught on by word of mouth and then eventually became a bestseller. I should say that I'm referring to the original novel, I haven't read the sequels or prequels that were written later. The heroine of the novel is a mechanic who is thrust into a role of discovering and unraveling the secrets of the world that isn't what it seems to be. The main villain is a character that has a certain amount of similarity to the health establishment of today, he does lots of awful things to keep his power and maintain the false narrative that their society is living under, but he doesn't do it for the sake of pure evilness. He's convinced that what he does is necessary to keep society from falling apart. On the surface, the novel is fully on the side of the heroine who fights for a free and open society against the tyrant villain. However, looking further at the fictional historical framework and world-building that goes into the story, it actually gives me the picture that Howey thinks that tyranny is the safer option and is more effective for running a society. The world they live in assumes greater human competence than has been shown to actually exist, it's a silo that has managed to become a self-contained artificial ecosystem that sustains its inhabitants in a world that has otherwise become uninhabitable through pollution. In the real world, the closest we tried to that, biosphere 2, was a failure. The tyrants do nasty stuff but are also more competent than their real-world equivalents, and a free society is a worthy moral goal but also portrayed as more dangerous and unpredictable.

Although I'd much rather deal with people in the Wool narrative than those actually on the side of the tyrants, all in all I wonder if it's dragging down the movement to oppose the tyrants. If people believe that tyranny is the safer option, they are more likely to go along with it if put in a state of fear or stress. Technocratic authoritarianism has become entangled with the religion of Progress, and the majority still believe in Progress on some level, even the majority of those opposed to vaccine mandates. All the common narratives, the mainstream one, the conspiracy one, and the Wool narrative all tend to believe that the elites as well as humanity in general are smarter, more competent, and more powerful than they actually are, and none of the narratives necessitate giving up belief in Progress.

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Date: 2021-11-09 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ah, that's one of my favourite books! Definitely read Shift and Dust, the sequels, as they give a lot more context, as well as some alarming parallels to this whole crisis-that-didn't-need-to-be-a-crisis.

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RT about the missing man in California...

Date: 2021-11-09 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
https://www.rt.com/usa/539815-newsom-missing-vaccine-california/

The California governor has been one of the most ferocious defenders of vaccine and mask mandates in the US,

Dubious survey/fact check making the rounds

Date: 2021-11-09 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] team10tim
I just came accross this misinformation survey:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-media-and-misinformation/

Lots of news sites are carrying the same story, but this one has the most comprehensive breakdown that I've seen.

The problem is that 6 of the 8 statements aren't actually misinformation.

Here they are with the relevant associated information:

1) The government is exaggerating the number of COVID-19 deaths

--It has been reported in countless places that dying with covid counts as a covid death even if it wasn't the primary cause of death. Whether this is intentional requires a judgment to be made in the absence of first hand information.

2) Pregnant women should not get the COVID-19 vaccine


--Pregnant women were not included in the clinical trials so this is actually an unknown, but there is some evidence that both covid and the vaccines increase the rate of miscarriage in the early stages of pregnancy.

3) Deaths due to the COVID-19 vaccine are being intentionally hidden by the government

--It is (and was before covid) widely acknowledged that VAERs undreports adverse events, including death. Whether this is intentional requires a judgment to be made in the absence of first hand information.

4) The COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to cause infertility

--As far as I know, no study has shown that covid or the vaccine has been shown to cause infertility. Whether it does or not is unknown. It will probably become known in a year or two, but at the moment the data needed to make a determination about this simply isn't available.

5) Ivermectin is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19

--This is highly disputed in the scientific community. Ivermectin is one of the safer drugs out there in widespread use, but the efficacy against covid is hotly contested with some nations like India including it in the national treatment protocol and others like the USA decrying it as horse paste.

6) You can get COVID-19 from the vaccine

--This is false, none of the vaccines are weakened viruses that might pull through and cause an infection. Incidentally, I have never seen anyone make this claim.

7) The COVID-19 vaccines contain a microchip

--I have never seen this claim made in earnest, although someone must have done so because I have seen it ridiculed.

8) The COVID-19 vaccines can change your DNA

--This is very close to true. The mRNA vaccines contain RNA which breaks down quickly and is unlikely to incorporate into a person's genome. It can happen, reverse transcription is a rare, but known, phenomenon. Whether it is actually happening would require a great deal of research that nobody is doing.

All that said, the article is worth reading because it gives a feel for how the official narrative is doing with the population.

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Date: 2021-11-09 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Just a note on point 7 - this mostly seems to have been floated as a false flag to ridicule the tin-foil hat brigade (and by proxy, anyone disagreeing with the holy Narrative), but there actually are microchips small enough to be injected now - they will fit in the bore of a needle, and could be powered either by your own blood through a redox reaction, similar to a fuel cell, or through external energy sources, such as radio waves. So it's not as implausible or ridiculous as it first sounds. Related were some alarming studies from 2016 that nanoparticles in mouse brains could be externally manipulated using radio waves to quite literally control the mouse's thoughts (such as turning left in a maze, etc). Nanotechnology, and specifically bionanotechnology, has had a lot of little-known advances over the past decade, and like a lot of this terrifying kind of frankenscience, these were created with the theoretical end goals of medical advances, but also had some disturbing donors ponying up the research cash.

Now, not to say any of this is actually the case and these things are in the vixens, but it's crucial to realise that it *could* be, and the level of trust over what is in a random vial of clear solution is low enough to make a significant proportion of the population think twice about people coming near them with pointy metal spikes.

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Date: 2021-11-09 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear JMG,
Your Encyclopedia of Natural Magic says that cumin (and coriander) "is especially useful for workings in which the...person... needs to preserve independence against outside pressure to... obey". Let me tell you... I've never eaten so much cumin in my life! So far it has worked. I'm an unfoxed healthcare worker in Silicon Valley! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!

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From: (Anonymous)
Dear A,
I worked frontline healthcare during the wtf late 80's when it turned out to be what we now call aids/hiv. You stick to the basics (sun, air, health) and let everyone else blah, blah. Having faith in your own destiny - f everyone else. coboarts

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Date: 2021-11-09 08:14 pm (UTC)
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As an unfoxed in the UK, I can feel the noose tightening round my neck this week. Until this point, I've managed to keep a low profile, but this week a number of things happened all at once. First, a mandatory questionnaire was sent round to everyone at the school where I work, supposedly by decree of local government, asking us to state whether we have received the vixen and if not, to explain why. I gave them a full explanation, don't worry about that! I discovered I don't have much tolerance for sneaking inquisition. Second, I was asked directly about my vixenation status by one of my managers. That hasn't happened before, even if she was at pains to assure me it wasn't a confrontation. Third, an odd set of circumstances required me to disclose that I am unfoxed to yet another person at work, with whom I normally have a good relationship - and he has been noticeably cold with me since.

All of this in the context of the government announcing today that all NHS workers are to be subject to mandatory vixenation from April of next year.

Being, obviously, extremely alarmed by this, especially in the light of the national mandates that already exist in other Western nations, I've been probing people for their opinions where I can.

Generally, the mood seems to be complete and utter indifference.

All of which leads me to think the UK is, at this point, more than ready to accept restriction of unfoxed people's liberties at least on the scale that has been implemented elsewhere. We've already rolled over: now it's just a question of whether the government chooses to reach down and tickle our tummy.

- Triplet

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Think about this narrative should collapse by next April, otherwise a lot of people around the globe are in a though spot.

I Havn't got much....

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I just want to relate my general impression that some very visible cracks are appearing "The Narrative (TM)" as of this week. It's just taking a bit longer to break it than we thought it would because the globalist elites are using what you might call some very high-density narrative-plaster to construct it. Stopping the Biden Administration's war-criminal-worthy vaccine-mandate needs to be our main focus right now, and we do that by doing any little thing we can, including prayer and magical workings, to make these cracks spread and widen. Now is not the time to give up! --Mr. Nobody (PS: And praise the Spirit for the court-ordered stay on the mandate. It's just a little crack so far, but once again, it's up to us to make sure it spreads and widens.)

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Date: 2021-11-09 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was at the dentist this past week, and in between poking, scraping, and cleaning the topic of COVID came up. My dentist takes a very relaxed view of it and basically thinks that it's being overblown. He did get the shot, but didn't react negatively when I told him I didn't. He shared that the Spanish flu, which most people think was active for about two years, was actually still around in 1930. It's just that by 1920 everyone was tired of the epidemic, stopped masking and extreme methods of containment, and it just faded into the normal flu/cold season. He figured that's what would happen with our current COVID pandemic.

My dentist also shared a surprising story. He knows someone who works at the local hospital who told him about this "experiment". Some of the staff took a COVID test kit and sent it into the lab without actually testing anyone with it.

It came back positive. Hmmmmm.....

Joy Marie

Foxed kids

Date: 2021-11-09 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Does anyone have a feel or data about how many little kids are being jabbed?

I know they are operating clinics all over the place but are people showing up with their little day ones?

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I saw someone online say a million kids have been stuck so far. Nobody knows for sure.

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The course of things

Date: 2021-11-09 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
JMG and everyone else

Has anyone gotten any clarity on where this is all going? The longer it goes on the stranger it all becomes. The covidians seem to be pushing as hard as ever. The unfoxed are starting to push back. Something has to give plus we have all the side effects mounting, possible ADE.

Where are we headed

Will O

Re: The course of things

Date: 2021-11-09 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
I'm greatly disappointed at least a fairly clear picture hasn't managed to emerge by now showing the hurried vixens aren't really fit for general purpose and offer dangers (higher than the virus itself for many).

Balanced risk assessment seems to have gone right out the window and many data releases are now pre manipulated.

Plus ridiculous mandates continue throughout the Western (= materialist) influenced world unabated. Latest UK info. suggests all registered care providers of many different types plus the NHS will need to show all their staff are vaccinated by Spring 2022. We are talking about a huge number of employees here. :-/
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Date: 2021-11-09 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello everyone,

I wanted to give an update to this community about the status of my application for a religious exemption to the C19 vaccines. I work for a large North American corporation that is imposing vaccine mandates with a late November deadline before we are placed on leave without pay, and then fired after a certain number of weeks. The culture is extremely PMC-leaning and no testing alternative was ever provided, and certainly no work from home option. It's pure, unadulterated "jab or job".

I submitted my application after getting in contact with a certain organization mentioned in previous iterations of this series, and they have been very supportive of my application, for which I'm extremely grateful. However, the application process is very demanding. Applicants are essentially "on trial" in front of an unaccountable committee for the privilege of maintaining their bodily autonomy, having to demonstrate a lengthy involvement in their religious organization, and meeting a standard of proof that is set by the committee, whose decisions can't be questioned.

The process is extremely humiliating and makes me want to leave corporate employment forever. Although I'm a good performer and get along with my coworkers, it saddens me that I may be fired for ideological reasons. Unfortunately, I don't have much clout in the organization and could be fired at any moment, but even if I had more seniority, it looks like even veterans with decades of experience in other industries are being laid off for the same reason. It's hard to find a word more appropriate than "purge" to describe this phenomenon. I'm jealous of those who are self-employed in these times, although that carries its own set of burdens.

For what it's worth, I stand in solidarity with everyone fired because of these mandates or having to go through the humiliating exemption process to keep their livelihoods. I judge no one for making a different decision, as everyone has to deal with a unique set of circumstances.

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Date: 2021-11-10 12:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drhooves
If someone objects to the Jab due to long-standing and legitimate religious reasons, it seems like anger would be the emotion taking root, and not humiliation. If a religious exemption is applied for as a means to avoid the Jab without a religious belief to back it up, then it's a dishonest approach. It should be replaced by asserting one's rights to remain part of the control group when it comes to this medical experiment.

If faced with this situation, I'd be documenting the process as it occurs, and requesting to see the scientific basis for the policy. In other words, if Covid can be transmitted by the vaxxed, why mandate the Jab?

I haven't confirmed there are very many companies out there that would fire vaxxed employees due to a "non-vaxxed" policy. But it seems to me the burden of proof wouldn't be any different.

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Caterpillars

Date: 2021-11-09 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A couple of days ago a pair of memories came back to me.

Memory #1: In April 2020, I was taking a walk and admiring the beautiful sky, full of clouds and actual weather. As we all noticed when the world shut down that spring, the weather changed, as if Mother Earth was happier and more alive.
I looked up at the sky and thought, "I bet you're thinking 'I could get used to this'."

Memory #2: A couple of years ago I was growing some potatoes in a pot on my balcony, and one day noticed the leaves were badly tattered. I found that a dozen or so small green caterpillars had colonized the plants and were busy skeletonizing the leaves. There were clearly too many caterpillars for the plants to support, so I set about thinning the caterpillars out.

I pulled all the caterpillars off the plants and put them in a small plastic pail. In the pail, they thrashed their front ends about, appearing to be in a panic. I examined them carefully, and chose two to keep. The rest I drowned in soapy water.

When I put the two chosen caterpillars back onto the potato plants, they seemed... subdued.
It gave me no joy to kill off the others, but I wasn't going to let them kill the potato plants either.

- Cicada Grove

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Date: 2021-11-09 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Memory no. 2 amused me. Was it an allegory or something?

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Tarian

Date: 2021-11-09 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Some new data from Israel on side-effects from a third dose of vaccine, for anybody thinking of getting a booster jab: https://www.timesofisrael.com/3rd-dose-has-lowest-rate-of-side-effects-israels-health-ministry-data-shows/

Re: Tarian

Date: 2021-11-09 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kashtan
I'm wondering if this may be evidence in favor of Mark L's immune tolerance hypothesis. Fewer short-term side-effects doesn't necessarily mean fewer longer-term effects. Also, those who had bad reactions the first time around were probably less likely to get the booster, thereby self-selecting for those who are less prone to short-term side effects.

Israel has only used Pfizer, so a question not answered by Israel's statistics but relevant in America and other countries that have used multiple vaccines is, what are the effects of getting a booster of a different vaccine than you had before? Gavin Newsom had J+J originally and then a Moderna booster, that may be the source of his troubles.

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Date: 2021-11-09 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am no fan of Carl Sagan but he clearly is describing his worst case scenario which we are living now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ox8fqPCbMM

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Date: 2021-11-11 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
Wow. Worth a watch.
Only 2 mins

Basically Mr Sagan was worried about getting into a situation where it wasn't possible to openly and skeptically question and effectively 'check' a government or organisation claiming science as it's guide in decision making.
(!)

Can't say he didn't have some foresight.

Direct link here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ox8fqPCbMM
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Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

Date: 2021-11-09 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
From my perspective the people with the most power to change this narrative are those who believed it initially but have changed their minds after suffering severe and unacknowledged adverse reactions.

Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has been convening listening sessions, and the list of participants is growing beyond the usual suspects to include new professors at prestigious institutions, qualified doctors, and even an editor at the British Medical Journal.

In addition to the original website (c19vaxreactions.com) there is a new project called Real Not Rare (https://www.realnotrare.com/about), another site called Telling Our Stories (https://nomoresilence.world/) and a budding patient-led research initiative (https://www.react19.org/).

Perhaps we only need a few more prominent defectors to really give this legs.

In personal anecdata, one of my most fox-obsessed Facebook friends who just got her booster just lost a good friend at age 37 to a blood clot, and the only person I currently know who was pregnant this year just had a late term miscarriage that nearly killed her. I don't know for a fact that either of these folks were foxed but I would say 95% probability.

Mark L
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I'm sorry to hear about the people you know being harmed by the vixen.

I believe we are at a point that it does not matter if the narrative shifts and people wake up to the fact that foxination is useless and in fact harmful. The mandate push and increasing demand to show proof is the goal and will continue because both political parties seem to want it.

But maybe we don't need organized opposition?

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Date: 2021-11-09 10:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I just got this link from a colleague this morning, who says it is a game-changer. In Israel, it says, the Rabbinical Court has decreed the mRNA shots to be absolutely forbidden to children and young men and women. That decision was made on Nov. 1, but this is the first I've heard about it.
https://sarahwestall.com/major-development-rabbinical-court-decrees-mrna-jab-absolutely-forbidden-for-children-adolescents-young-men-women/

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Date: 2021-11-10 07:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
I got a little more information on this from another colleague, who says,

"This particular Bais Din (Rabbinical Court) is apparently not so mainstream. So unfortunately, though the rabbis deliberated with integrity and did a thorough and honest inquiry, their ruling may not carry so much weight outside of their own congregations/following. Only time will tell if the more mainstream Batei Dinim (Rabbinical Courts) will rule similarly.


"They do have to consider that a ruling against the jab may incite a wave of antisemitism which unfortunately has happened in the past."

Protest sign

Date: 2021-11-09 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wish I could find the image online - yesterday's paper (ABQ Journal, 11/8) dared to show a photo of a woman holding up an anti Covid vax protest sign that reads: "God ≠ Pharma"
More cracks in the narrative.

Mandates

Date: 2021-11-09 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] trubrujah
Some semi good news from the federal contractor world. Once the OSHA paperwork came out, I got an email the next day from my contract company. I assume this is their initial check to see who is vaccinated or not, and only asked one question (what is your vaccination status) though it took 4 pages of explanations and disclaimers to ask it. There were four answers, Fully, Partial, Not, or I choose to decline to answer. After talking it over with all the contractors in my division, we all opted (even the vaccinated members) to put "I decline to answer." So vaccinated and un-vaccinated are all in this together at my job site. Feeling somewhat optimistic now.

The Entity, part 3

Date: 2021-11-09 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi JMG,

What feels like many, many moons ago, but was probably about 2 months, I asked about what kind of non-human entity could be responsible for all this strangeness. You replied that you had rejected the angry god hypothesis and were leaning more towards demons. A few weeks later you said you no longer thought demons were responsible, but may be involved, due to their limited capacity to affect this plane.

Well... what about the Fair Folk? I have recently been reading a few books relating to them, as well as some accounts of UFOs, and the Mothman Prophecies by John Keel (I agree with both you and his assertions that UFOs are not extraterrestrial in origin), and there are some interesting parallels - one particular one that caught my attention in that book was 120 day cycles of paranormal activity, which closely mirrors the corona worldwide cases. Anyone who has bought into the narrative appears to be in a hypnotic trance as well, repeating the same sound bytes and non-sequiturs. Alien abductions frequently feature the taking of bodily samples such as blood and saliva, and the injection of unknown substances. Then there are the disturbing (and hopefully fake) videos of vixenated babies born with black eyes, rapid development and strange behaviour - as I say, hopefully fake, but the first thought in my mind was 'changeling'.

John Keel wrote his book in 1975 and references the use of the flicker effect and VLF radio waves to give post-hypnotic suggestions - imagine what would possible now on a mass scale through ubiquitous TV and the internet.

So what I'm asking here is - if demons couldn't do so, would the Fae have the firepower to be able to pull something like this off?

On a personal level, what would be a good protection against being affected?

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Date: 2021-11-10 01:20 pm (UTC)
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"Anyone who has bought into the narrative appears to be in a hypnotic trance as well, repeating the same sound bytes and non-sequiturs."

For exemple, near all my family (gasp!).

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