Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 14

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as rumors fly that the governor of California has been crippled by one of the "rare" side effects of Covid vaccination, and the mainstream media is busy trying to insist that cardiac arrest in children is perfectly normal, the floor is open for discussion. 

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Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

From my perspective the people with the most power to change this narrative are those who believed it initially but have changed their minds after suffering severe and unacknowledged adverse reactions.

Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has been convening listening sessions, and the list of participants is growing beyond the usual suspects to include new professors at prestigious institutions, qualified doctors, and even an editor at the British Medical Journal.

In addition to the original website (c19vaxreactions.com) there is a new project called Real Not Rare (https://www.realnotrare.com/about), another site called Telling Our Stories (https://nomoresilence.world/) and a budding patient-led research initiative (https://www.react19.org/).

Perhaps we only need a few more prominent defectors to really give this legs.

In personal anecdata, one of my most fox-obsessed Facebook friends who just got her booster just lost a good friend at age 37 to a blood clot, and the only person I currently know who was pregnant this year just had a late term miscarriage that nearly killed her. I don't know for a fact that either of these folks were foxed but I would say 95% probability.

Mark L

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry to hear about the people you know being harmed by the vixen.

I believe we are at a point that it does not matter if the narrative shifts and people wake up to the fact that foxination is useless and in fact harmful. The mandate push and increasing demand to show proof is the goal and will continue because both political parties seem to want it.

But maybe we don't need organized opposition?

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for the urls to these sites! It can be so difficult these days locating sources that are providing information outside the official narrative being pushed by just about every news site now.

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

Also don‘t underestimate the people who get vaccinated for their own reasons, or support the vaccinations and other measures, but are still opposed to this totalitarian movement (I think there are quite a few of them here in the comment section, actually!).

I talked to a vaccinated relative recently who will also get the „booster“, and he told me that he wanted to meet with a couple of friends. They suggested a restaurant, but he refused because that restaurant didn‘t accept unvaccinated people at that time (as per state regulations) - he said he doesn‘t support discrimination, so he didn‘t go to the restaurant with them.

Also, there was a media report (in alternative media) about a doctor in Germany who has stopped vaccinating patients against covid with the following reasoning on his website:

The patients which are now coming for the vaccination only do so because they feel pressured or coerced, e.g. to get it for work.

But medicine requires his patients to give free and informed consent for any treatment, especially as a vaccination is not an emergency. Since being pressured or coerced is not free and informed consent anymore, he has stopped vaccinating.

There are people standing up against all this in interesting places, and with all kinds of background and differing opinions - we just have to come together and support each other… :-)

Milkyway

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

There was a discussion here last week regarding possible progression toward pogroms/genocide in which I argued that vax status - as a mutable, purely physical characteristic subject to physical falsification - is a rather weak and vulnerable factor to use to divide society.

I think the attempt to redefine "anti-vax" to include anyone opposed to mandates is an attempt to shift from a physical distinction (vaxed or not) to an ideological distinction (whether governments should be allowed to mandate personal health decisions in the name of "public health"). I still expect this to backfire as the skewed harm-benefit ratio of these particular vaxes becomes clear, but those who are vaccinated but firmly opposed to mandates will be important voices in the months ahead.

Mark L

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

"I think the attempt to redefine "anti-vax" to include anyone opposed to mandates is an attempt to shift from a physical distinction (vaxed or not) to an ideological distinction (whether governments should be allowed to mandate personal health decisions in the name of "public health")"

Russia is going to be a good example of this for the future. There are many in Russia who are not at all opposed to the shot (mind you theirs is different), but completely opposed to the mandates and QR Codes as a matter that goes against Russian Orthodoxy, despite the official support of "The Church."

This is also happening in Israel, where many Orthodox Rabbis oppose both the shots and the codes, as it openly symbolizes the submission of Israel to Egypt.

I think TPTB are going to find a very different and perhaps unexpected problem to arise...my current take is that they are actually quite powerless and don't know what else to do so they are putting all the cards on the table to buy time until someone can actually figure out real solutions. In the meantime, they don't want the rest of the world demanding their heads when they realize they are the ones behind the current mess. Haven't finished reading it yet, but a publication from the WEF on the current situation made me think this is what is going on. One point in the small book was that they know collapse is the only way ahead and they don't really know how to break it to the world. Hope to finish reading it later and will comment on it if relevant.

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

can you point me in the direction of this WEF publication?

please and thank you.

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

The book is called COVID-19: The Great Reset download here:

https://carterheavyindustries.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/covid-19_-the-great-reset-klaus-schwab.pdf

Planning on finishing it later today.

+Love and Light
-Aquamarine Wagging Housefly

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

thank you!

Reporting on the WEF Covid Report

[(Anonymous)]

So, over the weekend, I read over it, admittedly not super carefully, but in speed-reading fashion, which suffices for the first read. Read enough to get the gist of the paper.

Basically it runs like this: we messed up the world, the economy, and everything else and pretty soon the world is going to wake up to it. We cannot continue as before.

Pandemic gives opportunity to make changes we have wanted for a long time - like digital ID and surveillance - never let a good opportunity go to waste!

This will be needed because eventually the public will figure out that the jabs are faulty and demand heads and we need to be prepared to scale back the potential reaction against the media and government and corporate powers.

So...while we don't have any solutions and we hope that someone will have some, in the mean time, we use the virus to get other things we wanted and it will keep us safe for the time being. We are the experts, so only we will be able to find the solutions to the problems that we made!

Trust us!!!!

I'll print it out and fine tooth comb it later, but wanted to communicate that this was the jist...not conspiracy, but absolute incompetency and lack of responsibility for the messes the elite "stakeholders" have made.

We must fight this with all we have. It is no longer a luxury to remain silent. Let's not forget that Biden and most of the West have signed onto the Build Back Better Great Reset. It's less conspiracy than the blind leading the blind...and insisting that everyone become blind so they can continue to mislead.

We can let these people off with their lives and even their wealth, but it is time for them to listen to some new voices that have been silenced over the decades if the world is to have any chance at graceful collapse (the WEF admits collapse is inevitable, but they don't know how to break it to the world). Some of us have been preparing our entire lives for these moments we hoped we would not have to live in...but I guess we're here and for some of us, the universe is shouting "tag, you're it!" Go play!

+Light and Life
-Aquamarine Wagging Housefly

p.s. in the press, I believe we have allies in the newly left-exiled Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi and the like. Writers like Glenn and Matt are bridging the left/right divide that has been mostly based on arguing over 10% differences instead of the 90% we have in common. They get it. Highly recommend the following for the readers here...a video, and text for those who don't like watching videos:

https://www.rt.com/usa/540255-glenn-greenwald-911-capitol-investigation/

Generally I find RT wonderful for non-Russian news, but wouldn't trust it for Russian news any more than I trust the NYT or WAPO to give me accurate US news. Waiting to see if Putin supports the proposed QR lockdown return to Soviet ways of doing things? Israeli news tends to be very reliable on many things...but they will memory hole quickly so you have to be fast.

Re: Vaccine reactions gaining visibility/recognition

[(Anonymous)]

Hello Milkway,
Thank you so much for this, I find it most encouraging!
🍰☕️
Cetiosaurus