Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 14

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as rumors fly that the governor of California has been crippled by one of the "rare" side effects of Covid vaccination, and the mainstream media is busy trying to insist that cardiac arrest in children is perfectly normal, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Shale hitting fan this coming week?

[(Anonymous)]

So, I've thought for a while now that we would start to see mob violence against the unfoxed.
And I've thought that some other event would trigger it. Most likely, in my mind, was another George-Floyd like incident. The mob would form in protest of that incident - - and then, while they're at it, start demanding to see proof of vax from whoever happened to be nearby. Something like that. Block the highway, pull people out of their cars, check for vax cards.
I really hope I'm wrong about this, but this is where I've seen it going for a while.
Closing arguments are due in the Rittenhouse trial early this week. I don't know the exact schedule for everything, but there's no reasonable way for the jury to return anything but a not guilty verdict.
That may well be the trigger.
I really hope I'm wrong about this. But I think I'm going to get out of my deep blue city pronto.
Please, please, please shower me with persuasive arguments that I am wrong, that I am over-reacting, that it won't happen. I desperately want to be proven wrong.

Re: Shale hitting fan this coming week?

[seanbolger1]

If rittenhouse gets a not guilty it will be most likely black people and antifa rioting not pmc branch covidians.
I'm in the UK and work with a lot of black guys and I don't know a single one who is foxed, they don't trust the government, Ive heard the USA isn't that different with ethnic minorities least likely to get foxed.
As for any riots just stay away from high streets, because people are going to want to loot stores more than anything.
Also security aren't properly checking vax passes they will let you through with a screenshot of someone else's that doesn't match your Id, we just go through the motions of checking so it looks like we're doing our job on camera but in reality non of us support these mandates.
Pmc people tend to be highly educated and weak, they rely on people like me to defend them, and we're becoming less and less likely to follow orders.
Kind regards
Sean

Message from Mike

[deng]

Michael “Mike” Anthony Granata February 21, 1965 – November 1, 2021

Michael, a longtime resident of Gilroy, passed away on November 1, 2021. Never a kinder more gentle man did I know than my husband, Michael.

For those who knew Mike, you know that he was a good and honest man. He was kind, considerate, and always polite.

Mike was adamant that people know what happened to him that caused his early and unexpected death. Message from Mike:

“Many nurses and non-nursing staff begged me and my wife to get the truth out to the public about the Covid-19 vaccines because the truth of deaths from the vaccine was being hidden within the medical profession. I promised I would get the message out. So, here is my message: I was afraid of getting the vaccine for fear that I might die. At the insistence of my doctor, I gave in to pressure to get vaccinated. On August 17th I received the Moderna vaccine and starting feeling ill three days later. I never recovered but continued to get worse. I developed multisystem inflammation and multisystem failure that medical professionals could not stop. My muscles disappeared as if to disintegrate. I was in ICU for several weeks and stabbed with needles up to 24 times a day for those several weeks, while also receiving 6 or 7 IVs at the same time (continuously). It was constant torture that I cannot describe. I was no longer treated as a human with feelings and a life. I was nothing more than a covid vaccine human guinea pig and the doctors excited to participate in my fascinating progression unto death. If you want to know more, please ask my wife. I wished I would have never gotten vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, don’t do it unless you are ready to suffer and die.”

Mike did not deserve the pain and suffering he endured. He was a good man and deserved better.

Quote - "doctors excited to participate in my fascinating progression unto death." Yup, I can attest to that. Den

Re: Message from Mike

[(Anonymous)]

deng,
Please accept my deepest condolences, dear neighbor. Gilroy, huh? I live in the South Bay.

OSHA vs. CMS

[(Anonymous)]

While the OSHA requirements are being fought, some may not know the Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services has implemented its own mandates... That those serving their patients have to be vaccinated. It was an initial relief to hear about the courts fighting OSHA, and major whiplash to find another entity attacking.

One wise person told me about how her clinic told her they will be checking her eligibility starting next month. She had concerns that the next step was to mandate it for all Medicare/caid members... And refusing services for those uncompliant. This is all conjecture, but that wise person has a strong intuition

Hummingbird

Re: OSHA vs. CMS

[(Anonymous)]

It would not surprise me in the least to see that.

I do not believe that this is their conscious motivation, however, what it amounts to is taking peoples' $$$-- their salary, their pension (or years accumulated towards pension), their benefits, and so on. Also, ruining businesses.

We've seen a clear pattern of that so far, and there seems to be a strangely strong momentum towards continuing.

What can they take? They will take it-- and take and take and take-- as long as they can.

long covid query

[(Anonymous)]

I want to thank everybody who has responded to my query about dealing with long Covid. Your well wishes are a kind salve in a difficult time. The different ways to deal with this disease (lack of ease, for sure) are most welcome and I have read and followed up on every one.

I observe from the comments in this thread that there is no one-size-fits-all solution. As it should be. It's also of note that some ideas are embraced or rejected due to things other than efficacy; for example cost or the lack of convenience or the fear of attendant risk of harmful side effects. Throughout all of this winnowing I must remind myself that being open to new ideas (sometimes old ideas that are new to me) is important.

Back in the early days of the pandemic I retold an old story here in the comments of a dark clad stranger who was asked by a village elder the reason for the visit. 'I am the plague and I have come to claim 10 of your people', was the reply. As this same figure was leaving the elder complained that 40 people had gone on, not just 10. 'I kept my word', said the visitor, 'the others died of fear'. Some 18 months later this tale has far more meaning than it did in early 2020. As my own fear has dropped away my health has improved in a marked fashion. I must admit I am at an age that dying young is no longer an option.

I am very grateful for the SOP and daily meditations that have given me much perspective on this pandemic. Again, a heartfelt thanks to our host and to all who shared their ways of dealing with long Covid and to all who are on this wild ride. Be not afraid.

Aged Spirit

[(Anonymous)]

"There is a name for people who, when the facts change, refuse to change their position. It is NOT 'doctor' and it’s certainly not 'scientist'." - spotted online. via TheNebulator

[seanbolger1]

I just spotted another good comment, second one of this type in a 2 days. Different article and different username. If this sort of thought becomes more common amongst the general public, it could be one very large crack in the narrative.

"Australia is lost. How can their politicians ever turn back from their utter over-reaction? They went for zero-covid and it almost looked like a good call in the early stages, but then the ‘vaccines’ turned out to to be essentially worthless and they can’t bring themselves to change tack. They, along with other countries encouraging the experimental drugs they call vaccines, are trying to wipe out the control groups (unvaccinated) so they can’t be shown to have messed up their covid responses."
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/14/australian-rules-footballer-quits-the-game-following-the-leagues-no-jab-no-job-policy/

OK guard

[(Anonymous)]

More cracks appear. Apparently the Oklahoma Guard isn’t enforcing the mandate.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/11/12/oklahoma-guard-goes-rogue-rejects-covid-vaccine-mandate-after-sudden-change-of-command/?fbclid=IwAR0oam4Zbb2kbWpPSQE3yVcDP6mg_X_B429NA91wfyAks2jk-lFC0dcwxmc

Other Dave

[(Anonymous)]

Here is a post I wrote on the catastrophe that occurs when the virus evolves to overcome the Spike-protein based vaccine induced immune response:

https://www.rintrah.nl/what-happens-when-the-vaccines-start-to-backfire/

Please be ready to prepare for a very bad situation this winter, in which the hospitals become unable to cope with the massive load of sick people.

~rintrah

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent post. You have basically explained my thoughts on the matter in a far more coherent way I could have been able to do.

There is many an old Archdruid Report post pointing out the "ecological ignorance" of our superiors who view the universe as static and not dynamic. Not unrelated is this fan favorite: http://archdruidmirror.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-cussedness-of-whole-systems.html

From the first paragraph:

"Nearly all of those failures share a common root, which is the inability—or at least the unwillingness—of most people in the modern world to pay attention to the natural cussedness of whole systems."

further down...

"Decide that you can just go ahead and annihilate pathogenic microbes en masse with antibiotics, for example, and the countervailing processes of the planet’s microbial ecology are going to shift into high gear, churning out genes for antibiotic resistance that spread from one bacterial species to another and render antibiotics less effective with every year that passes."

Totalitarism in Austria

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.rt.com/news/540199-austria-lockdown-for-unvaxxed/

First country in the world in taking this fascist idea. Shameful.

Re: Totalitarism in Austria

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

I think the first case of actually locking down the unfoxed discriminatorily, but the situation is very bad in Lithuania too:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1456627584586944514.html
It gives a rundown of countries jumping the shark, including Singapore in Asia.
Also, Africa is once again going to serve as a testing ground for Bill Gates' big ideas: https://www.mintpressnews.com/africa-trust-stamp-covid-19-vaccine-record-payment-system/269346/

Covid Early Treatment

[(Anonymous)]

James Howard Kunstler has just posted a podcast interview with Steve Kirsch

https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-351-steven-kirsch-of-the-covid-19-early-treatment-fund-cetf/

"Steve Kirsch is a Silicon Valley philanthropist and founder of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund (CETF) – the only organization in the world focused on finding the most promising drugs and treatments that, when given sufficiently early, can reduce hospitalization and death rates. As a tech entrepreneur, he is the inventor of the optical mouse and one of the first Internet search engines, Infoseek. He started 7 high tech companies, two with billion dollar market caps. He has a BS/MS in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from MIT. He blogs regularly at https://stevekirsch.substack.com "

Direct Download: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/kunstlercast/KunstlerCast351.mp3

Re: Covid Early Treatment

[(Anonymous)]

The part of the interview that grabbed my attention was at about 42:00 when Kirsch discusses an analysis by Matthew Crawford (?) which indicates that the protective effect of the 'vaccines' is basically an illusion.

Apparently, this analysis indicates that 'vaccinating' people kills off those who are susceptible to the spike protein, which in turn makes the survivors more likely to survive the virus as they are less susceptible to the spike protein.

So the vaccines do not so much protect the vaccinated as kill off the weak thus delivering a false impression of reducing symptoms/death etc - I think this was described as 'survivor bias'.

Have I got that right? If yes, what can I say, but wow. And if I'm interpreting this right, does anyone know if the analysis this concept is based on is a 'reliable /serious/credible' piece of work?

Update from Spain

[(Anonymous)]

I know I'm late, but I write this just for my mental well being.

First of all, thanks to everybody for this island of sanity in the middle of this nightmare.

I live in Spain, and the latest moths it had been relatively calm, with cases on the donwtrend, up to 90% of foxed (we are not - my wife, my daughter, me).

My wife is being red-pilled this last week. She doesn't follow news in anyform, so she is not aware what happens outside our place on the Mediterranean coast. But this last two weeks some news arrived direclty to her from trusted mothers of other school coleagues of our daughter.

As it happens, few of them are from France. We didn't heard from them since summertime, but the latest news were anyghing but encouraging. That was the first issue. My wife simply didn't want to take an experimental drug, all pretty common sense. But now she begins to see this as a political, heavily partisan thing, with really nasty shadows behing (she is studying psichology, so for her this is really something going on in that realm).

Another mother works at administration a the local hospital, and she reported that nurses and doctors are taking paid medical leave due the 'disturbing mental fragility' induced by the situation... but this is an excuse just to avoid being foxed. Doctors assist in this affair.

It seems that workers at the hospital are increasingly scared that foxxed people now develop much worse conditions when infected, and they are infected more often. All the narrative is falling apart for them.

This friend is really worried to avoid being foxxed (for all her family) as she is watching thing going to worse, even with low level of infections (as by first week of november).

Another source of info is a doctor from another hospital, that claims that fox efect is waning after less than trhee months, and even it seems to turn negative.

Meanwhile, this second week of november, MSM is increasingly adding subtle (or not so subtle) news regarding infections withing children. My wife is now clearly alarmed since it is clear for her that now they are going after our children.

Meanwhile, situation in Austria is really ugly, and anything but encouraging. Clearly political in nature.

Since cases are slowly beginning to climb again in Spain, and the economy (with roaring inflation, amid a clear problem with peak fossil fuels) is spiraling downwards, we fear that draconian measures will be a good disguise for a failing government to avoid worse outcomes.

Relative peace over here seem to be ending within few weeks.

Re: Update from Spain

[(Anonymous)]

A very good summary on the situation in Spain.

Worst cold ever?

[(Anonymous)]

A data point,

I am a 23yr old male, working an outdoor job. (Running chainsaws, hiking, applying herbicide) un Covid foxed, and I seem to also be experiencing the worst cold ever, though that is a somewhat nebulous term.

Started about 2 weeks ago, a cold was going around my crew and after getting home for my week off I started to get a sore throat, more tired, and phlegmy congestion. ate a bunch of homemade blue elderberry jam,took some rest and it didn't seem to develop beyond that point for that week.

Got a rapid Covid test before going back to work, negative.

Worked next hitch more or less without issue, (extra tired, a little congested but besides that all good) and felt more or less back to normal by next break.

Then I did some pull-ups and went for a run at the park and the tiredness and congestion came back with a vengeance. Knocked me down pretty bad for the next couple days, into the beginning of next hitch.

Felt better, began taking garlic cloves in the morning and foraged mullein tea in the evening, but I ran a bit too much, stayed up a little too late and I'm tired again, and getting mild "activity headaches" though the congestion is still mostly clear.

I haven't ever been sick like this in memory, where it is mild enough I feel good enough to work most of the time, unless I aerobically exercise.

Beginning to question if I actually got Covid and that was a false negative.

Mostly I mention this to contribute a data point to "is the worst cold ever ADE caused?" Since I'm unfoxxed it couldn't be that in my case.

Perhaps I'm simply sick simply due to the dietary and physical activity changes I went through transitioning into this job in August?

Who knows.

-Stickler

Re: Worst cold ever?

[candace_k]

That's what happens to me when my allergies kick in. But who knows....

[(Anonymous)]

Is it possible that the vaccine mandates are strongly pushed by the PMC, risks be damned, because the PMC found something to hurt the deplorables?
If that happens there will be a winter for a combustible mix.

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

That seems really likely to me. They are never ever ever going to forgive all those idiots (sarc) who voted for Hitler, and the whole debate for them has been framed as "the science" against "religious superstition" and Q conspiracies and so on. I refuse to even discuss the subject anymore with the Koolaid shooters unless they demonstrate to me that it will be worth my while.

A Glimmer of Hope in Canada?

[(Anonymous)]

My hope is that cracks in the official narrative is kind of like popping popcorn (but in very slow motion): first the odd pop here and there, with gradual increase in tempo and frequency until it goes ‘bonkers’. We’ll see if my ‘popcorn principle’ holds. Anyway, there may be a little isolated ‘pop’ in the MSM in Canada, via an editorial published in today’s Toronto Sun:
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-trudeau-needs-to-tackle-his-own-disinformation-first

Although the title may look like a political tirade, the real issue is freedom of speech/press. For those readers who even suspect that freedom of speech has been kiboshed by the federal government in recent months regarding certain illnesses and their treatments, this editorial from a major newspaper could have some resonance. Here’s to hoping…

Ron M

Re: A Glimmer of Hope in Canada?

[hearthspirit]

Bigger shift; this isn't an editorial. A genuine morning news interview on why it would be folly to booster everyone. He actually states it is settled science transmission prevention is gone after 1-3 months.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8373612/neil-rau-covid-19-vaccine-booster/

On Friday I had to confront my whole council about illegally trying to restrict access to town hall to Green Pass holders; using exactly the evidence that vaccinated people are just as infectious as unvaccinated. I used that to argue against testing requirements for unvaxxed when they brought in staff vaccination mandates, too - that we could be sued for using words like "safe workplace" and prevent transmission" the moment vaccinated people got each other sick. So now my tongue will be bleeding from the need to say nothing else while those who told me they rely on data, not ideology, to make decisions, not so quietly go more insane. We were told we were never going to test, though; in BC you need to jump through a lot of hoops to register as a certified testing facility, because public health is smart enough to know people wouldn't actually do the home tests, or do them incorrectly. Also - we don't have the medical personnel to process testing for society in general, anymore, which is why they're moving away from testing just about anyone outside hospital anymore.

Interestingly or ominously, the highest level staff were against introducing mandates for the town because they were keeping track of the legal opinion, and our lawyers said the lawsuits were rolling in. The postie union is grieving the mandates at Canada Post, for example. They also said they knew we'd lose senior staff if we did, and up to 10% in general, which really surprised me, here.

Then the next week they did it anyway, so pressure came from outside our organization - peer government? Higher level? Not sure. At this point the regional government and most munis have implemented mandates for staff, which could get very unfortunate for our water supply and sewage systems next year.

All they could do was essentially put so many options for flexible and modified work no one could be fired. We are the only muni that took that approach, though, so far as I know - everyone else chose the nuclear option.

I was assured by senior staff that, indeed, we were _not_ insured in the event that we voluntarily required medical procedures that may harm staff and were not required for them to do their jobs to existing Worksafe standards. "We aren't insured for any of this, it's completely outside municipal charter". That made some on council go very very still, and others suggest we could not make decisions based on ideology, but on the public's expectations we take into account the well-being of everyone. I'll let you guess what they actually meant by that ;-)

But yeah, it better pop slowly to give some people an out to save face, or else they're going to nuts while they still have quite a bit of political power. I'm hoping their power will drain out (Tire le bouchon, fiston! says my kid's Robert Munsch book) and then they can go nuts... Because they're going to go nuts, no question.

2022/2024

[(Anonymous)]

Open question for the crowd here:

Election season in the US is about to start. Team red seems to be chomping at the bit. They have a few good players, but generally they are bought just like team blue. Does anyone expect the narrative and rule making to change should team red come into power? Or will they cynically harness mandate resentment and win, just to drop it as soon as they get sworn in?

Re: 2022/2024

[(Anonymous)]

It'll change, but the real question is if it'll be a ban on government forcing the mandates or if they'll actually stop the mandates. Corporate power has enough influence to do it just fine without the government, as long as they stay out of the way.

More slightly good news

[trubrujah]

Some more slightly good news from the Valley of the Sun. While the OSHA requirement is halted by the courts, the CMS (Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services) has their own mandate, and I haven't heard of any pushback on this one yet. My wife just got a notice from her hospital that she works at (she's a nurse) on the CMS mandate and compliance. There is the option of a religious/medical exemption, but she was concerned that it may not be accepted.

Talking with another of her nursing friends today, we heard that almost all the hospitals are rubber stamping the exemptions. This lets them brag about 99-100% compliance with the rules, while allowing as many un-vaccinated nurses to continue to be employed as wish to. Looks like the hospitals here are wising up to the idea that they could be really short staffed if they actually let any one go.

Re: More slightly good news

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, I think all of this, plus, word is getting out there how you craft a proper exemption request and it's dawning on these orgs that they're going to have yuge lawsuits if they deny.

Hold. The. Line.

-Bofur

[(Anonymous)]

Another rather young death:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/14/media/petra-mayer-npr-obituary/index.html

>NPR books editor Petra Mayer died Saturday at age 46, NPR reported. Mayer was a popular editor on NPR's Culture desk, delighting readers and listeners with her outpouring of knowledge of cats, comics and science fiction, as well as her on-site reporting at Comic-Con.

>Mayer died at Holy Cross Hospital in Silver Springs, Maryland, of what's believed to be a pulmonary embolism, Nancy Barnes, NPR's senior vice president for news, said in an email to staff.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow! I hadn't heard about her death. I used to tune in to NPR often, but they've gone over the cliff of woke and just aren't listenable anymore.

I've been reading the obits in our local paper since summer and so far the deaths are all of folks over 65 - usually much over 65 - most are people well into their 80s and 90s. For a state that so vociferously supported the vixens, a state with the highest fox rate in the US, our little part of Windsor County, Vermont, doesn't seem to have experienced an uptick in younger deaths unless nobody's placing obits for them. Maybe things will change as winter approaches.

Beekeeper in Vermont

[(Anonymous)]

One of the shocks of the scamdemic was to see how many of the politicians, media and so-called intellectuals are aligned.
Most countries in the world there was no opposition AT ALL. In a parody of the "good cop, bad cop" routine, the opposition was actually asking for more lockdowns and restrictions in UK for example.

In US, some republicans seem to at least pretend to care about individual rights but given their shameful behavior in regard to Trump and 2020 "selection", I bet they will roll over again after elections.

So no, I am not optimistic. The only possibility for improvement is grassroots movements.
Did you know for example that there are counties in Washington state where people could always go to church? That was because the sheriff said he will not enforce the totalitarian laws.
That is the only possibility that I see - local elected officials ignoring or actively fighting back.

After all, we have to get ready for a decentralized future. I can imagine local warlords/barons rising up as they defend their regions from attack by the corrupt federal forces.

[ganeshling]

An article in ABC covering the latest NZ protests claimed that there was far right presence with people 'carrying signs with Nazi symbolism.' The only picture with 'Nazi symbolism' in that article was this:



ABC journalist who wrote the article didn't even get that the sign points at her and the likes of her!

[(Anonymous)]

Reason #5,798 Why I don't watch TV news. Thanks for the laugh!

[(Anonymous)]

This is a most interesting article:

https://www.rintrah.nl/what-happens-when-the-vaccines-start-to-backfire/

I would be interested in any comments from Mark L.

Quercus

[(Anonymous)]

I just read through it. The first part is spot on, and highlights something that has been missing from most analyses. The US CDC may have inadvertently uncovered the same trend a few weeks ago when they published a report finding 3x lower rates of non-covid death in vaccinated people. If unvaccinated people are on the whole less healthy - especially among older age groups more likely to die - then that creates a bias that makes the vaccines appear to be effective when they're not.

As for the future predictions:

I'm rather less concerned about original antigenic sin and antibody-dependent enhancement. I think these things are occurring and will continue to occur, resulting in a prolonging of the pandemic and an increase in total deaths vs. a no-vaccination situation. However, at this point I would be surprised if that ended up in mass-death territory. The virus simply is not harmful enough on its own, and most deaths result from an immune overreaction. At this point it does not appear that vaccination makes this sort of immune overreaction more likely, and in fact it may well make it less likely.

The vaccines do not magically homogenize the human immune response. Although it is spike-only and thus less robust than whole virus, it's worth noting that there are only two proteins (spike and nucleocapsid) on the surface of the virus in total, and also that the exact anti-spike antibodies induced by the vaccine will vary substantially between individuals.

I don't think the vaccines worked in the US south any better than in Scotland due to the presence of more unvaccinated people. I think the US south just experienced a summer wave which is likely at that latitude and also occurred in 2020 - quite possibly associated with widespread use of air conditioning and comparably limited ventilation.

From my current perspective, if we have mass death ahead of us - and I still see that as a possibility - it is less likely to derive from immunological failure of the vaccines (weakened immunity and/or directed viral mutation) and more likely to derive from delayed effects of repeated prolonged spike exposure (clotting -> heart disease and cardiovascular issues, possibly neurological effects as well) and repeated genetic vaccination possibly inducing tolerance of aberrant cells and thereby reducing detection/destruction of nascent cancers.

Mark L

Faustian civilisation and the old Lady who swallowed a fly

[(Anonymous)]

Dear Mr Greer

In its response to covid our Faustian civilisation runs the danger of becoming like the old lady who swallowed the fly. If we had let ourselves get covid, and got natural immunity we would have been alright. But like the old lady who swallowed the spider to eat the fly, we had to take the vaccines. And now that vaccine immunity is going down hill we have to swallow a bird to eat the spider. Thats what the booster shots are. Booster number 4 will be the cat. If I remember correctly this was not good for the old ladies health.

One of the reason I think we’re in this mess is because of the “urge to control”,which exists in every stand of DNA of our Faustian civilisation. We see Nature as clay that we can mould into any shape we want. This may explain the response of the media and the PMC to the Great Barrington Declaration last year, which had the termirity to suggest that we shield the vulnerable while allowing the rest of us to get the virus and achieve natural immunity. This is the way that human kind has achieved natural immunity from coronavirus’s since time began and runs no risk of ADE. But this idea was viewed with horror. No we needed to lock down until we had a vaccine that had been invented by those clever scientists. Even when the evidence suggests that natural immunity is 6 to 12 times better than vaccine immunity, it cannot be accepted as an alternative to the vaccines when imposing vaccine mandates. We have replaced the old saying “Nature knows best”, with “scientist knows best” or Expert knows best”.

In saying this I may be being unfair to some of the scientists. The Joint committee on vaccination and immunity recommended against vaccinating health children aged 12 to 16 and in their minutes paragraph 27 stated that natural infection could have long term substantial benefits on covid 19 in the UK. The government ignored them and are urging all children between 12 and 16 to gets vaccinated.

https://app.box.com/s/iddfb4ppwkmtjusir2tc/file/878924271234

Yours sincerely

Jasmine

Re: Faustian civilisation and the old Lady who swallowed a fly

[(Anonymous)]

"The cat" is also scapegoating and segregating the unvaccinated. If we continue down that dark path we may end up seeing a genuine atrocity.

Mass Delusional Psychosis

[(Anonymous)]

Many commenters on this forum, including myself, have been noting some of the connections we perceive between the "woke" ideation and the covidian cultists, and how so many people seem to be literally hypnotized. Along these lines, an extra-crunchy podcast interview has just posted by "JermWarfare" with Dr. Mark McDonald, a Los Angeles, California-based clinical psychiatrist and medical-legal expert, about what he terms "mass delusional psychosis." Dr McDonald goes into detail about what he has been seeing in his clinical practice, and how he interprets this.

About Dr McDonald (from his website):
"Born and raised in Los Angeles, I graduated from Loyola High School and studied classical cello and world literature at UC Berkeley before beginning medical training at the Medical College of Wisconsin. I completed my adult psychiatry residency at the University of Cincinnati and child psychiatry fellowship at Harbor-UCLA in Los Angeles. I have particular expertise in working with children with autism and trauma, as well as obsessive-compulsive and bipolar disorders. When evaluating children, I work closely with the family, school, pediatrician, and therapist to ensure a complete evaluation before making any recommendations for treatment. I use a structural systems approach in working with couples and families in therapy. I completed eight years of training as a candidate in psychoanalysis at the Psychoanalytic Center of California (PCC) and adopt a psychoanalytic approach to therapy with individuals, including play therapy with children." https://www.markmcdonaldmd.com/about

The podcast is "This is a Pandemic of Fear / Men Have Become Cowards"
https://jermwarfare.com/blog/mark-mcdonald

Re: Mass Delusional Psychosis

[(Anonymous)]

Very interesting interview; thanks for sharing. The interesting (and so far, from what I have seen and read so far, novel) point that I found was the rise of sadism during this dark time. I believe that it is an important point that deserves some attention. Why are people enjoying the suffering of others (these days, the ‘un-foxed’)? What inner pain are they experiencing and what is its source? We can easily get into very deep territory here: the faltering of the myth of progress and the inability of those who placed their faith in progress to bear their disorientation. It is one thing for people to be manipulated by their ‘masters’ to engage in vile acts; but there needs to be an inner urge within the perpetrators of these vile acts to match the manipulative forces. Herein dwell monsters!

Boosters For All

[escorcher]

More evidence from Britain that the 'double down or die' line of reasoning is rising to full effect...now all about saving Christmas.

3rd booster extended to those 40 or over plus second shots opened up for 16 and 17 year olds.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/15/covid-booster-jabs-extended-to-over-40s-in-time-for-christmas-15602327

El gato's fine feline musing here is quickly coming to pass:

'watch as "epidemic of the unvaccinated" becomes "booster refusal killing the double jabbed" '

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/watch-as-epidemic-of-the-unvaccinated

For sure the WHO call from a couple of months ago to allow fair distribution of vixens has fully fallen by the wayside. These vixens are still being seen as the golden (or is that only) ticket to normality in the developed world - a 'boost' for travel too (and a way to curb it among the great unwashed)? Our Prime Minister has just essentially given notice that three lots will be required for travel sometime soon.
Blinkers on and full steam ahead! :-/

Re: Boosters For All

[seanbolger1]

I'm not a big fan of the daily mail but it's one of the few newspapers that still allow comments, the telegraph have to constantly shut their comment section down.
For about an hour after a new government announcement the comments are scathing, today absolutely raging with anger. They eventually get moderated but it's no longer enough, it's now almost all negative, the government seems to be loosing support with each new announcement.I've seen only about 3 comments that a pro fox out of hundreds.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10202973/Government-ramps-programme-winter-wave-bay.html#comments-10202973

2022 - predictions

[(Anonymous)]

All,

https://www.rintrah.nl/what-happens-when-the-vaccines-start-to-backfire/

Based on the above analysis, which seens plausible and in line with the analysis of the experts i follow, i suggest the following will take place for highly vaccinated populations;

1) booster jabs and the continued existence of unvaccinated pools of population ensure that hospitalizations and deaths remain at a tolerable level for covid, even if non covid deaths continue to rise (in part adverse vaccine related).

Once the winter is over seasonality kicks in and the virus will abate. This will be falsely credited to the vaccination campaign.

Some governments, led by the UK, will abolish virtually all restrictions on the premise that the virus is now like the flu campaign.

As we head towards winter, and continued pockets of the unvaccinated get jabbed, the virus adapts and vaccine resistant variants start to circulate around the population.

New variants resistant to the vaccines grow exponentially during late 2022, causing a huge rise of hospitalization and deaths among the vaccinated. Panic ensures and lockdowns are implemented once it becomes clear there is no easy win booster vaccine available.

Possibly zero effectivity from the start?

[(Anonymous)]

This article examines a possible statistical flaw, that if true would create the illusion that the clot shot was working even if it was zero percent effective and in fact killing people. All it takes is a delay in death reporting of one week. Combine that with the dynamics of the population converting to being vexed and it makes it appear an 'epidemic of the unvexed' when really it's a constant rate of death for everyone all along.

In other words the unvexed appear to be dying at a higher rate only because their death rate being associated to an out of date, too high number of those unvexed. The growing death count is not correctly associated to the growing number of vexed. This also gives rise to an incorrect mortality rate and the misinformation that 'you may get infected but you're protected from severe sickness'.

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/11/is-vaccine-efficacy-statistical-illusion.html

[(Anonymous)]

I would like to bring the conversation back to JMG's hypothesis.
It does look like the data is in - there are many studies and statistical analyses that show that the foxed people have a higher death rate than the unfoxed.

This article aggregates a lot of the links (https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/excess-deaths-point-to-depopulation-agenda/) I know the title is conspiratorial but it does contain plenty of direct links to studies per country.

I am curious what people here think, especially people with a good math background like Mark L.
Is this too early to tell or is this what JMG predicted?
Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

I think it is clear that we have growing excess mortality in 2021 that is not attributable to covid.

To me the vaccination effort is the most plausible culprit, although there are some other possible contributing factors including spike exposure from past covid infection, delayed treatment due to patient anxiety or healthcare staffing shortages, and mental health effects (poor decision-making or attention to safety) from the lockdowns, business closures, and general atmosphere of fear.

Seven percent excess mortality can be explained away easily. I think in order to really fulfill JMG's hypothesis we would need to see 50% or more excess mortality, and if there are really problems this number could go very high indeed. If 5% of the population were to die over a period of six months, for example, that would equate to a death rate ten times higher than normal, or 1000% excess mortality.

Regardless of whether the vaccines are actually killing people en masse, it is absolutely clear at this point that they have failed to end or even blunt the spread of illness, which is the sole reason behind all of the mandates and dehumanization of the unvaccinated. So if they continue to push in that direction we are in for a serious social crisis whether or not we also get a serious health crisis.

Mark L